What Hillary does after she concedes the nomination could be critical.

[PowerToThePeople]

There's no doubt that Hillary fires up a segment of the 3rd way base for whom Bernie doesn't do much. And so there's concern that the primary campaign could hurt Bernie's chances in the GE, particularly if she starts attacking him more aggressively from the right. I don't think this will happen.

On the other hand, there is also a great opportunity here to unite the party. From the day that Hillary concedes, there will be a number of neoliberals who will be deciding whether to stay home in November or to vote for Bernie. If Hillary decides to campaign for Bernie as forcefully as she did for Obama in 08, this could be pivotal in turning out the neolibs. We could end up with the best of both worlds: a candidate with broad appeal and a strong and well-funded campaign, and also an enthusiastic base. In this "best case scenario", Dems could win not only the white house, but also the senate and possibly the house as well.

edit - posted in response to this OP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6764572

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. Hoo-boy

[Jackpine Radical]

3. Hey--

Save some for me.

[madokie]

11. Some for me too

I might even break out a beer to go with it

[DCBob]

2. Onion??

[Jackpine Radical]

4. That or a fairly intricate delusional system.

[dlwickham]

8. I'm betting on the latter

[Joe Turner]

62. Hillary better start talking and making her positions known

If she want to have a shot at winning the democratic nomination. She can't stay silent on TPP, Keystone Pipeline, wall street reform, universal health care, to name a few issues and expect to be corinated. Won't happen with Bernie or O'Malley now in the race.

[Thinkingabout]

5. Where do you see Bernie with higher poll numbers? It isn't the candidate with the lower votes who

Wins, it is an accumulation of delegates who wins.

[RoccoR5955]

47. The primary is quite a way off.

And if the current trend holds true, and Bernie gets an 8% boost in the polls each week, it will only be a matter of oh, about three months until he totally surpasses Mrs. Clinton, so don't count your chickens before they hatch!

[Thinkingabout]

58. It sure is, to be saying Hillary needs to concede is way away from the point.

[RoccoR5955]

74. So is implying that Mrs. Clinton should concede.

Let's see how things shape up in the months ahead, and stop this please.

[Thinkingabout]

76. Implying Hillary should concede, this is in the thread title, perhaps you can address the thread

poster. Thread title is:


What Hillary does after she concedes the nomination could be critical.

[madokie]

6. Bernie will win this with or without

Hillarys blessing

In the matter of a few weeks he is well on his way to being known. Hillary on the other hand has been running since 1994.
Bernie is the next POTUS

[PowerToThePeople]

9. I agree.

[brooklynite]

17. ...following in the footsteps of President Kucinich

[madokie]

20. Following in the footsteps of one President Obama

Kucinich never was a viable candidate, Bernie Sanders is and will be our next POTUS

[brooklynite]

25. Obama assembled dynamic campaign team, financial resources and political support before running

Sanders? Not so much.

Understand, I have no objection to his policies; I just see no realistic path to victory for someone with limited funds.

[madokie]

27. This isn't about money

This is about you and I and the man who supports us. Money has nothing to do with it.
Sure money buys air time but seems to me like Bernie is doing fine so far without much air time or money.
Reminds me to send him a few more bucks as I will continue to do not so much to add to his bottom line as to let him know that I care.

[brooklynite]

31. Money also pays for staff...

...the staff you'll need in all 99 counties of Iowa to turn your grassroots movement into actual voters (something Howard Dean was unable to do), and the staff you'll concurrently need in New Hampshire and South Carolina to be prepared for the quick jumps after Iowa, and the money you'll need in big States (especially non-liberal ones) where retail politics aren't popular.

[joeybee12]

29. People forget how much money Obama raised during primary season...

Or they decided not to think about it when they told themselves he was oh so different.

[redstateblues]

65. he also assembled an incredible team

and ran a brilliant campaign

[zeemike]

59. My thoughts too, with or without her.

He has the issues that people care about, and will turn out voters that would normally stay home...and that spells trouble for the GOP house and senate...who depend on low turnout.

[Hiraeth]

7. Hopefully, she will gracefully accept his offer to be his running mate. Sanders/Clinton 2016

Working toward a better nation for all.

[pocoloco]

39. LOL! One of the very few ways she could ruin his chance!!

[closeupready]

56. LOL, yeah, have to agree.

[Fla Dem]

81. Won't happen, they're both from the Northeast. nt

[Hiraeth]

82. I don't really consider Clinton to be FROM the NE. Do you, really?

Born in Chicago (midwest, no?), has huge ties to the south via Arkansas. Spent a lot of time in DC.

I could be wrong but, I sincerely think Sanders/Clinton is the unbeatable ticket. She brings him back to center.

I think Sanders was only half joking with his remark.

[Fla Dem]

85. I understand what you mean, but they spent 8 years in Washington and

it will be 16 years in NY by the time the elections roll around. She was after all the Senator from NY. So in total 24 years in the NE. They never went back to Arkansas even to vacation. Lots of folks won't look past that. The other drawback is age. HRC will be 69 in October 2016, Bernie will be 75 September 2016. Most times I think they try to get someone for VP who is a bit younger just in case they have to take over. But it would be an exceptional ticket for Democrats.

[still_one]

10. 3rd way base, neoliberalism? Ah, so in your view anyone who supports Hillary is a "fringe" Democrat

and you go further to suggest "when Bernie wins the nomination", how these "so-called" democrats might not turn out if their candidate doesn't win the primary

Assuming DU is reflective of Democratic consensus, which is a big if, the only posts I have seen on DU which question if they will support the Democratic nominee if it is Hillary, are those from the camps against Hillary. However, what I have seen on DU is Hillary supporters saying they will support whoever the Democratic candidate is, even if it isn't Hillary

So it would be nice to stop with the flame bait and division. If you are a supporter of Bernie that is the opposite of his views

[PowerToThePeople]

12. yawn

It was a quick edit response.

*(views expressed by my OP may not be my own and should be taken as satirical in nature)

[beam me up scottie]

15. "So it would be nice to stop with the flame bait and division"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026764572

I notice you did tell DanTex the same thing, good for you!

[PowerToThePeople]

21. I guess turn about is NOT fair play

[beam me up scottie]

23. On edit that poster did call out DanTex too.

[still_one]

24. I sure did

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6764794

and I got a snide remark their also, no surprise

[beam me up scottie]

26. Then I retract my snark.

The reason DanTex said "never mind the timing" is because he posted his thread first.

The op was a response to his flamebait.

Thank you and props for being honest.

[still_one]

32. Got it. To me it doesn't matter, we should discuss and argue the differences between

the candidates, and I would hope all sides would be in favor of that.

It is going to be a rough primary system here on DU I suspect

[beam me up scottie]

33. It is.

It's exhausting trying to keep up.

[PowerToThePeople]

30. The other OP was first

mine was in response.

[still_one]

34. I didn't know that, I know it now, thanks

[PowerToThePeople]

35. the more you know...

[freshwest]

66. +1. HRC people aren't threatening to not vote if she doesn't win. I don't need to 'link' those who

Last edited Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:41 PM - Edit history (1)

claim to support Bernie, but are actually 'Anyone But Clinton' voters. Some have made it clear and not backed down.

That's how anti-HRC they are; but that's NOT what Bernie is:

“No matter what I do, I will not be a spoiler,” Sanders said. “I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as President of the United States.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6140372#top

I am voting for Bernie first, but if HRC wins, she gets my vote, and I will not ashamed of it.

We should live up the standards of those we are going to vote for without name calling. All that does is help the GOP.

[peacebird]

72. I think people are remembering the last time she ran, and the PUMA's

party unity my ass people

[HooptieWagon]

13. When Hillary fails to secure the nomination, the Third Way can go back to their roots...

...as Reagan Republicans.

[YoungDemCA]

16. ROFL

nt

[L0oniX]

38. ^^^this^^^

[brooklynite]

14. She'd campaign for Bernie as strongly as Bernie (and Elizabeth) will campaign for her.

[cyberswede]

19. I think so, too. nt

[hrmjustin]

18. Our nominee will win.

[pa28]

22. Nicely done.

[lovemydog]

28. Well played, PowerToThePeople.

I'll add that what I do after anyone concedes could be critical to me and how I vote.

[Logical]

36. +1000! Thanks! nt

[L0oniX]

37. Well this will piss off all the right people.

[uwep]

40. I will not vote for Sanders

if he is nominated. All this went on in the last election, if Hillary had won
the party and the country would have been in much better shape. Once
again the left are going off the cliff. Sanders will not win if he is nominated.
He is an independent and he is not a Democrat. I have not seen him or the
Democratic party show him switch and become a Democrat. He is much
better in the Senate. The Democrats will lose the last foothold they have
in the national government, and if we do the repugs will destroy Social Security,
Medicare, Medicade, and all of the other social programs.

It is beyond belief of what the repugs are doing and what they will do. If Sanders
becomes president, he will go against the repugs and he will not be able to get
anything through congress. Sanders has good ideas, but he has no flexibility
to negotiate with the wild tea party repugs or for that matter the other idiots
that call themselves conservatives.

[PowerToThePeople]

41. hmmm

Star Member uwep (67 posts)
40. I will not vote for Sanders

if he is nominated. All this went on in the last election, if Hillary had won
the party and the country would have been in much better shape. Once
again the left are going off the cliff. Sanders will not win if he is nominated.
He is an independent and he is not a Democrat. I have not seen him or the
Democratic party show him switch and become a Democrat. He is much
better in the Senate. The Democrats will lose the last foothold they have
in the national government, and if we do the repugs will destroy Social Security,
Medicare, Medicade, and all of the other social programs.

It is beyond belief of what the repugs are doing and what they will do. If Sanders
becomes president, he will go against the repugs and he will not be able to get
anything through congress. Sanders has good ideas, but he has no flexibility
to negotiate with the wild tea party repugs or for that matter the other idiots
that call themselves conservatives.

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In what ways should he negotiate with the Tea-party and conservatives should he win?

[frylock]

45. fresh outta cold storage

[Snotcicles]

50. I was wondering if I'm missing out on an auction or something. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

42. I'm sure she'll be gracious in her support of the nominee, just like she was in 2008.

[Fumesucker]

73. It's amazing how short some memories are around here

[GummyBearz]

43. You got alerted on FYI

Turn about may not be fair play... we will see

[PowerToThePeople]

44. lol

we will see =)

[hobbit709]

48. Jury results

On Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:38 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

What Hillary does after she concedes the nomination could be critical.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026764639

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

3rd way base, neoliberalism? Ah, so in your view anyone who supports Hillary is a "fringe" Democrat and you go further to suggest "when Bernie wins the nomination", how these "so-called" democrats might not turn out if their candidate doesn't win the primary

Assuming DU is reflective of Democratic consensus, which is a big if, the only posts I have seen on DU which question if they will support the Democratic nominee if it is Hillary, are those from the camps against Hillary. However, what I have seen on DU is Hillary supporters saying they will support whoever the Democratic candidate is, even if it isn't Hillary

So it would be nice to stop with the flame bait and division. If you are a supporter of Bernie that is the opposite of his views

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:52 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yeah, somehow I don't think you alerted on the "When Sanders concedes" thread.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter is obviously a HRC acolyte and considers anything but adoring worship as blasphemy.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I suggest you toss the tread on the dung heap if you don't like it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Lets not stifle opposition/legitimate concerns
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is so much shaming on both sides of the Bernie vs. Hillary debate, it's hard to know where to even draw the line.

[PowerToThePeople]

49. That hurt.

eom

[GummyBearz]

54. Wow

I was actually on a unanimous jury decision... just when I thought no one liked me!

[L0oniX]

55. Ouch!

[SleeplessinSoCal]

46. don't like your premise at all.

Hillary has the kind of charm offensive that Bernie isn't interested in. And she will need it to get us moving towards less inequality.

I'm thinking General Election and much needed mid term charm in order to get things done.

[DashOneBravo]

51. And someone alerted

0-7 to leave it

[Buzz Clik]

52. "There's no doubt that Hillary fires up a segment of the 3rd way base..." and I quit reading.

Find a new tune.

[Number23]

70. Me too. And I also notice that there are some here hollering over DanTex's OP where he didn't

insult anyone but have nothing to say about the really needless and overused insults in this OP.

If all this of name calling and shit stirring served even the tiniest most miniscule purpose, that would be one thing. It doesn't and it's not even trying to.

[William769]

53. That had to of come from the onion. nt

[Scurrilous]

57. You'd better believe it!!

[workinclasszero]

60. Clever

[JimDandy]

68. Try this: CLEVER!

See? It's all in how you say it!

[workinclasszero]

69. haha

ok then

[misterhighwasted]

61. Bernie's just a small town kinda guy & he's happy there.

Nice, polite, tries hard, doing his part to fire up & get deadbeat voters who failed to show up in the midterms, out the door & vote in 2016.
Appreciate him taking one for the Dem Party.
I'm sure his efforts will not go unnoticed in the end by President Clinton or President O'Malley.

What a trooper.
He will hang in their till his money runs out, but will always be respected for doing his part in motivating voters & unifying people against the clown car.
Bless Sanders & all his firey efforts.

2016 belongs to the Dem Party.

[yuiyoshida]

63. I just now donated another

50 dollars to Bernie's campaign!

[Rosco T.]

64. You enjoying that Egyptian vacation?

cause you are really swimming in de-nile.

[question everything]

67. To whom?

That's OK, keep dreaming.

[akbacchus_BC]

71. You think she will win? Just asking!

[MineralMan]

77. It's probably a bit too early to start talking about concessions, don't you think?

Right now, Hillary Clinton has a pretty commanding lead in the first primary states. I doubt that she's thinking much about conceding.

[jeff47]

78. Perhaps you should also tell DanTex that. (nt)

[MineralMan]

80. Why should I do that?

I'm responding to this thread.

[jeff47]

83. Because this thread is a clone of his thread pushing for Sanders to concede.

It's linked in the OP.

[MineralMan]

84. I didn't visit that thread as far as I know. I'm not interested in anyone pushing anyone

to concede at this point. After Super Tuesday, I might suggest that to candidates who clearly have no chance. Right now, it's way too early for that sort of thing, by far.

I replied to this thread. I'm under no obligation to read another thread, simply because there is a link.

[Orsino]

79. Why can't Bernie seal the deal?

Who will Hillary be wearing when she makes her concession speech?