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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Fri May 11, 2012, 07:18 PM May 2012

My (hetero) brush with being murdered for being gay

Last edited Sat May 12, 2012, 03:20 AM - Edit history (11)

A lot of high school gay-bashing doesn't even involve gay kids... or certainly didn't used to. When I was in school there were no "out" gay kids. I can scarcely imagine what life would have been like for them.

But bullying was full-on gay-bashing without even any out gays to bash. I was called "faggot" like it was my name. That was the deal. The athletes and the redneck contingent called you faggot and told you to suck their dick and pushed you down the steps. This torment was exceeded only by the torment of my intense desire for sex with girls... irony is civilization's greatest renewable resource.

The boyfriend of the cutest girl in school used to chase me around with his shorts around his knees, waving his penis while calling me a fag. Perplexing... but I digress.

Anyway, it was quite irrelevant whether I was gay. I was small at the time and bookish, and was thus well accustomed to glass bottles being flung from passing cars to smash around me, accompanied by shouts of "homo!" (With the doppler sound compression you get from a passing car. HooooOOOOOmo.)

But that was just normal stuff. That is how all late-blooming boys were treated.

And it was explained to us that we could never get into college, or even get a diploma, if we did not daily present ourselves to our tormentors fully nude in the shower. The only metric for passing gym was shower attendance ascertained by demonstrating to the gym teacher that you had gotten fully nude... by presenting yourself to him in that state while dripping wet so he could put a check next to your name. (It was never explained what educational purpose was served by gym class resembling one of those "women in prison" exploitation movies.)

But all of that was just high school. Several of my friends got the same treatment. How many of the "faggot" group were actually gay? I have no idea. Probably a few... and I do not doubt that the taunts stung them even more dearly. But I'd guess gays were at least as well represented among the tormentors as the victims. After all, is being small for one's age or smart actually a major indicator of same-sex attraction? I would guess not. (Or uncircumcised! As an adult I wish my parents hadn't bothered but as a child I was glad to be in the regional majority for once, because being uncut was another indicator of faggotry, curable only by punishment.)

And certainly some others had it MUCH worse than me. The gym class bullies probably did get the obese Korean boy to commit suicide... but he was on a leave of absence from school at the time he finally did it, and hey... there's bound to be some collateral damage in this process of making MEN. That young person once tried to shower wearing his underwear under his towel. When his deception was discovered the gym teacher had some of his pet athletes BEAT this boy with wet towels, leaving welts, while he squirmed and shrieked hysterically on the wet tiled shower room floor. I remember the sharp echo on tile of the snapping. The gym teacher laughed until he cried and managed to hit the boy a few times as he tried to escape... almost running into the halls of the school nude. Then he wasn't around. Then we heard he was dead.

One tormentor who had a special affection for me was one of the redneck clique (they were called "grits" in my class conscious school, and probably due some sympathy also, as most kids are), not one of the athletes. And he was not the usual high school bully.

This guy would, routinely, corner me in the locker room and press a knife to my throat while muttering about the proper fate of faggots. He was obviously insane.

I don't want to offer personally identifying information and his name is a matter of public record, so I'll just call him M. (And whistle "In the Hall of the Mountain King.&quot

Did I or any of his victims ever tell anyone? No... are you serious? They gym teacher would have made us run laps for squealing. And we knew that any reaching out to adults would merely escalate the matter. (And assault with a deadly weapon wasn't a major no-no in my school. All the self-styled rednecks at my school had those four to six-inch blade folding knives on their belts. It was a fashion and was considered uncontroversial. In retrospect, could that ever have been policy, or was it just not enforced? I don't know. But either way, there were a lot of knives around!)

Anyway, I survived high school.

Fast forward a couple of years... I pick up the newspaper and read about a gay man being beaten to death at the local spot where gay men cruised the park for anonymous sex.

And the perpetrator was M.

He probably was in the habit of trolling for sex there and doubtless offering a rougher experience than his partners felt they had agreed to. But nothing that happened in this park was ever reported to the police, for obvious reasons. Most of the frequenters of the place after dark were surely deeply closeted.

And then M. finally got around to murdering someone. I was just a matter of time. It was a notable story because at the time (long ago) my city had one of the few distinct, aware and vocal gay communities and violence against gays was just starting to become an out issue.

On the wrong day it could have been me. I was his pet target for two years. I don't think I ever actually feared for my life at the time. I feared injury, but the idea of having my throat slashed in class, even gym class, seemed fantastic. But in retrospect... the guy was, in fact, a murderer! I should have been more scared than I was, but the hazing kind of all runs together. Demented psycho-sexual threats of murder with a knife to your throat seemed normal... typical. Just an unusually vivid variation on the sort of stuff that happened all the time.

Overt sociopathy from a future murderer was sufficiently like the way most of the popular boys acted that it just didn't stand out that much! What a world...

Long story short... any reduction in the bullying of gay kids will benefit a lot of gay kids, and also a lot of straight kids who have glasses, or limp, or have an accent, or "high-water" pants because their family is poor... or anything different or weak. It's a human issue that gay people take the worst brunt of, which must be recognized, but it should not be seen as "a gay issue," as "somebody else's problem." It is vitally important to anyone who even thinks about having children. Eliminating the bullying of gay kids will help break the back of the whole syndrome.

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My (hetero) brush with being murdered for being gay (Original Post) cthulu2016 May 2012 OP
Thanks for not sparing any details. People need to know. freshwest May 2012 #1
Wouldn't ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2012 #2
For a lot of history and in a lot of cultures... cthulu2016 May 2012 #4
90% of homophobia is actually based in misogyny; i.e., there is nothing worse than StarryNight May 2012 #30
Amazing. Thanks for sharing. LeftofObama May 2012 #3
powerful and important d_r May 2012 #5
A kick Blecht May 2012 #6
I'm perfectly straight and I was viciously bullied by kids who thought I was gay... Odin2005 May 2012 #7
Thank you for writing this. CaliforniaPeggy May 2012 #8
Nah... I warrant no credit cthulu2016 May 2012 #10
There was a study in WA State schools a few years back-- eridani May 2012 #9
K&R varelse May 2012 #11
K&R abelenkpe May 2012 #12
Or in my case the militant lesbian because I had an afro. n/t vaberella May 2012 #13
Thank you, I was bullied in school because of my size, but not to the extent rustydog May 2012 #14
That is worse than anything that happened to me cthulu2016 May 2012 #15
I see exactly where you were coming from. It was "normal" where I came from too rustydog May 2012 #32
k&r nt steve2470 May 2012 #16
This was devastating to read. redwitch May 2012 #17
Great post. Straight people get gay-bashed all the time limpyhobbler May 2012 #18
Yes, any deviation from perceived local tribal masculine norm cthulu2016 May 2012 #22
Our society enables sociopaths from the get go felix_numinous May 2012 #19
As I pointed out on another thread, When adults abdicate their responsibility tblue37 May 2012 #21
Well written and powerful. n/t beac May 2012 #20
Were those the good old days BanzaiBonnie May 2012 #23
Thanks for sharing libodem May 2012 #24
Freaking wow! malaise May 2012 #25
I hope things have gotten better today. airplaneman May 2012 #26
High school jocks and gym teachers- secondvariety May 2012 #27
Excellent thread! I saw the same stereotyping as I was growing up in the 1960s. radicalliberal May 2012 #28
K & R !!! WillyT May 2012 #29
Same thing happened to my younger brother because he was small in size Raine May 2012 #31
kick grantcart May 2012 #33
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. Wouldn't ...
Fri May 11, 2012, 07:56 PM
May 2012
The boyfriend of the cutest girl in school used to chase me around with his shorts around his knees, waving his penis while calling me a fag. Perplexing... but I digress.


That conduct suggest a certain willingness on the part of said boyfriend of the cutest girl in the school guy's, to participate in gay activity?

(Okay ... back to your OP)

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
4. For a lot of history and in a lot of cultures...
Fri May 11, 2012, 08:01 PM
May 2012

homosexual meant taking it in the ass or mouth, not putting it in the ass or mouth. Having sex with men wasn't gay as long as you were "manly" about it.

I a sure that many here can attest to the perverse thing of men threatening to teach gay men a lesson by fucking them.

 

StarryNight

(71 posts)
30. 90% of homophobia is actually based in misogyny; i.e., there is nothing worse than
Sat May 12, 2012, 09:19 PM
May 2012

placing a man in the position of a woman.

LeftofObama

(4,243 posts)
3. Amazing. Thanks for sharing.
Fri May 11, 2012, 07:57 PM
May 2012

I've often wondered when I would hear of some of the goons I went to school with being arrested for murder. I haven't yet, but I'm sure it's just a matter of time.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
5. powerful and important
Fri May 11, 2012, 08:05 PM
May 2012

thanks. I got a little bullying in the gym locker room around grades 5-7, but not as bad as some of the boys. Thank you for writing this.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
7. I'm perfectly straight and I was viciously bullied by kids who thought I was gay...
Fri May 11, 2012, 08:57 PM
May 2012

...Because I don't fit into the Macho Man gender role. It got so bad that the school had to have me change into and out of my gym uniform in the coach's room because I was getting assaulted and towel-whipped. Oh, and I will never use a gym shower ever, it gives me a panic attack for obvious reasons.

At least I was lucky to not have a psycho gym teacher (ours was a woman). Also, I;m only 26 and by the time I was in high school the worst of the gym shit was suppressed.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,525 posts)
8. Thank you for writing this.
Fri May 11, 2012, 09:04 PM
May 2012

I am aghast. Writing and posting this took real courage, and I salute you for having it.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
10. Nah... I warrant no credit
Fri May 11, 2012, 09:15 PM
May 2012

There's nothing very confessional, except that high school sucked and that I was a small kid in tenth grade and circumcised. I survived and am pretty tall today.

And M. probably died in prison.

I got off easy. I was lucky.

I was afraid in writing it of how uncourageous it is. It's not like any of the bullied kids ever stood up to any one. And yes, we were glad to have someone, like the Korean boy, below us on the pecking order! That's shameful... but is how things work in any fear-based society.

So I courageously admit to cowardice. (joke)

Thanks for the comment.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
9. There was a study in WA State schools a few years back--
Fri May 11, 2012, 09:06 PM
May 2012

--indicating that people like you are actually the numerical majority. Almost all gay kids reported some level of abuse, but in addition 20% of straight kids reported abuse for being perceived as gay. Since there are many more straight kids, 20% of that number was an absolute numbe higher than that of self-reported gay kids.

If moral empathy by itself doesn't motivate straight people to fight against this vile habit, sheer self-interest ought to.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
12. K&R
Fri May 11, 2012, 09:43 PM
May 2012

My tall skinny brother was often called a homo in high school too. I overheard his gym teacher call him that once and I freaked out and went to the principal. Stupid brute was forced to apologize publicly. High school was horrible. You are right. Al bullying needs to stop.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
14. Thank you, I was bullied in school because of my size, but not to the extent
Fri May 11, 2012, 10:00 PM
May 2012

you relate here.

I was knocked out at the city pool one summer because...just because. The guy walked up to me in the showers, called me a fag and dropped me with one punch loosening several teeth, knocking my ass out.... 47 years ago...and it is still fresh in my mind.

Bullying has to stop. period

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
15. That is worse than anything that happened to me
Fri May 11, 2012, 10:07 PM
May 2012

I was threatened and scared a lot but never seriously injured. And never lost teeth.

And my experience was considered normal. Nothing exceptional at all. Other kids had it worse.

I hope I don't paint myself a victim here because I was kind of approaching this from how normal this all was... but that one of these guys actually did become a slightly infamous murderer. So it's never a thing to minimize even if nobody has gone to the hospital yet.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
32. I see exactly where you were coming from. It was "normal" where I came from too
Sat May 12, 2012, 09:35 PM
May 2012

It is just your narrative was so powerful, it unlocked a door I thought was long closed!
Very well written.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
18. Great post. Straight people get gay-bashed all the time
Fri May 11, 2012, 10:52 PM
May 2012

either on suspicion of being gay or just for the entertainment of the bullies.

One way you can be suspected of being gay is simply by not participating in gay bashing. Or by sticking up for the kid that's being picked on, or being friends with that kid. Any kind of non-conformity really.

It's a real character building experience to have to go through that. High school was the worst. I faced some of that stuff but was lucky enough to have a good group of friends who were all misfits in one way or another.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
22. Yes, any deviation from perceived local tribal masculine norm
Sat May 12, 2012, 02:59 AM
May 2012

When Simpsons' character Nelson Muntz, the boss bully, kisses Lisa Simpson his fellow bullies say, "You kissed a girl? That's so gay!"

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
19. Our society enables sociopaths from the get go
Fri May 11, 2012, 11:00 PM
May 2012

--it's no wonder what kind of society results from our dog eat dog childhood. Few teachers or parents even know how to handle bullies, they just step back as if it's a fact of life and accepted ingredient of our world. And I guess that is a big part of the problem, that there is not enough of a directive or value imprinted on us from a young age--for the strong to protect the weak. That it is much more noble and virtuous for large sized people, older kids--not to mention elders--to look after kids who are being picked on!!! What ever happened to that???

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
21. As I pointed out on another thread, When adults abdicate their responsibility
Fri May 11, 2012, 11:18 PM
May 2012

for teaching and enforcing the laws of civilization, then the law of the jungle takes over, and we end up with one or another version of The Lord of the Flies.

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
26. I hope things have gotten better today.
Sat May 12, 2012, 04:02 PM
May 2012

I remember in junior high being bullied in a class. The teacher told me to talk to the counselor and would not do anything about it (spit wads in my face, being punched and shoved every day). I made multiple attempts to talk to the counselor only to be told that I could not talk to her when I explained why. I told my mom who showed up at school and screamed at the counselor to do something about it. I was put in another class but the one who was tormenting me wasn't even talked to. P.S. I wanted to take a cooking class but that was only for girls and the Principal insisted that I take a wood or metalworking class instead. I do remember in general that children were not very nice to each other in k to 12th grade.
-Airplane

secondvariety

(1,245 posts)
27. High school jocks and gym teachers-
Sat May 12, 2012, 05:22 PM
May 2012

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I was considered a "freak" by both groups. Fortunately, I was pretty tough and liked to fight so they left me alone for the most part but I saw lots of kids tormented by those psychotic bastards. Came to the kids' defense more than a few times.

radicalliberal

(907 posts)
28. Excellent thread! I saw the same stereotyping as I was growing up in the 1960s.
Sat May 12, 2012, 09:12 PM
May 2012

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Ironically, at a rival school in the same district, the biggest and strongest guy was a gay bodybuilder who didn't bother to stay in the closet. Although the principal and the coaches tolerated bullying (which was out of control at that high school), no one dared to bully that guy.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
31. Same thing happened to my younger brother because he was small in size
Sat May 12, 2012, 09:30 PM
May 2012

not good at sports, bookish and artistic but he is not gay.

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