If I ever get banned, please don't celebrate openly. That would be painful to read for sure.

[madfloridian]

I have seen so many friends have to leave here. I have stayed in touch with many, wonder about the rest quite often.

I take pride that I have never had a post hidden at DU3. Oh, yeah, I some threads locked during the 04 primary wars. Not usually because of my posts but because of the ugliness that ensued. Primaries get ugly here.

When NYC_SKP was moderator at the other DU we had some differences. The good part was that I could send him a message and we could discuss it. I believe he was one of the most fair mods we ever had.

The last few months have meant lots of medical problems. He posted in The DU Lounge in March about them.

Do you know what an SAH is?

Subarachnoid hemorrhage ( SAH) - Mayfield Clinic
www.mayfieldclinic.com/PE-SAH.HTMCached

Subarachnoid hemorrhage (SAH) is a serious, life-threatening type of stroke caused by bleeding into the space surrounding the brain.

Here is some of the aftermath he posted in the Lounge. I hope he doesn't mind my posting.

Some of you might remember that last May I suffered a SAH, was airlifted to Stanford, had a seizure and surgery and totally dodged a fatal bullet.

Lucky me, my surgeon is the best in the country, maybe the world, Gary Steinberg. He invented modern brain surgery.

In June they determined there was infection and opened me up and then later in November they went in again and removed the bone flap, which was necroptic and septic and icky, they tell me.

On March 31 the will insert a bone flap made of polyetheretherketone. I hope this will be my last surgery. The post-op pics of staples and stitches and such are not pretty but this pic is COOL, I got it on Monday!

DU has a history of being kind to its members with health problems. That is what makes one forum more special than others.

So it's primary time again, and there will be rough times ahead. It saddens me to see it start this way.

So if I get banned at least pretend to be a little upset.

Editing because I think everyone who thinks that many posts and a good reputation will keep one from being gone in the blink of an eye should read Ida Briggs post right now.

[NightWatcher]

1. I think he'll be allowed back after a couple weeks cooling off period

[still_one]

36. Wouldn't that present open season on using every derogatory sexual and racal phrase? There is no

doubt to anyone now that there are certain avenues that should not be crossed.

As far as allowing him back, he could always change his user name, and come back fresh

Some in DU have already been pushing the limits, and perhaps this will serve as a lesson to disagree respectfully, instead of using sexual degradations to describe someone

[Jackpine Radical]

62. That's rather silly.

Capital punishment for all offenses, without weighing circumstances?

Whatever happened to measured responses?

[zeemike]

93. That only applies if you are not ideologically committed to some cause.

Otherwise it is death to the unbelievers.

[Scuba]

123. /\_/\_This right here_/\_/\

[samsingh]

223. we seem to save that for when we deal with repugs or murderers. give them second changes you know.

[Puzzledtraveller]

249. I tend to rely on "sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me.."

speaking for myself, I wish everyone else would but I do respect that other people can be and will be hurt by words on a internet message board.

[sabrina 1]

154. I'm a woman and I'm not easily offended. We are adults, we don't need 'lessons'. NYC_SKP should not

have been banned. Period. I have a list of people here who should be banned IF his banning is to be justified.

Please do not portray women as shrinking violets, we have been fighting that characterization for centuries.

'Pushing the limits' what do you mean by that?

Is this grade school or an adult forum?

[polly7]

158. Thank you. I don't get the perpetual victim thing .... nt.

[sabrina 1]

161. I don't know a single woman in RL who is as easily offended as we are told we ought to be here on DU

Not one. Women are in fact very tough. A remark such as NYC_SKP'S wouldn't raise an eyebrow among the vast number of women I know, across the country.

We are becoming a parody of ourselves, no thank to most of us women who don't spend each and every day thinking of how to portray us as victims.

I AM NOT A VICTIM! Is there some way to convey this to the admins, I doubt Hillary would want to be 'protected' this way either, it makes her look like the heroine of one of those 'Romance Novels' where the men rush to defend the female 'victim'. Shameful imo

[polly7]

164. Me either, Sabrina.

My women friends would probably shock most people here, if it's supposed to be fact that we're too delicate to be able to deal with and stand up to any slur - if they even care, without going completely overboard.

I have been a survivor of severe violence - actually many times, and I'm still not a fucking victim. Someone calls me something if I'm helping out in the bar, or whatever (I can only remember it happening a few times by drunks who pretty much called everyone who walked by a different name ... oh, and a few times in the ambulance by people who couldn't help themselves) - and I find it offensive, they get it back (not the ones in the ambulance). Over. Done. There aren't many words that bother me, though I don't use them myself. I'm always amazed at how horrible we're supposed to feel when we see naughty words on a message board. They're words, we're adults.

[truedelphi]

171. Much agree with you, and wish I had your eloquence on the topic. n/t

[a la izquierda]

253. Agreed

I'm only speaking for myself as a woman, but I feel no need to give another person's word choices any power over me.
I also find etymology interesting.

[still_one]

170. This is more than being about a certain gender. There is a reason that racial slurs, or homophobic

slurs, or other ethnic and religious slurs are frowned upon.

It has nothing to do with whether you are offended or not, it has a connotation which has a view of a person in a certain way, no different than if a racial slur was used against someone.

The use of such hateful language does not mean someone behaving as adult.

[MrMickeysMom]

191. I don't really think they know what that means, sabrina...

Being the same gender and having been part of this and other communities, I think I fit the definition of someone who is unpunished by paranoia.

NYC_SKP should have never been the victim of this.

[sabrina 1]

198. Frankly I'm sick to death of women being USED constantly for political purposes.

And if that remark was enough to get someone banned, I assume that there will be lots more bannings as I've seen a whole lot worse on this forum that hasn't even been alerted on.

[alcina]

200. Well said

Thank you for expressing that.

As others have said, hiding the post seemed reasonable; banning him was not.

[GCP]

254. Thank you for your words of wisdom

I, too, am sick to the back teeth of people feeling 'offended' on my behalf over some word that I personally have no issue with.
From a 68 year old woman who's been on this board since 2001.

[sabrina 1]

255. Thank you, the atmosphere that has been created here around 'women' is one of the worst I have

ever encountered ANYWHERE, on any forum, in any situation in RL and I think a lot of women here have just stayed away from the 'women's' forums here because they DO NOT represent most of us. Maybe it's time the rest of us spoke up rather than leaving it to the small vocal group here who have taken it upon themselves too 'represent' women,, attacking anyone who dares not to agree with them and apparently convincing the Admins that THEY are the 'experts' on women's issues setting the tone for this ban on one of DU's best Progressives.

[GCP]

261. Well said eom :)

[1monster]

69. Would you come back after all the ugly celebrating done today when it was posted that

he was banned. I wouldn't...

Especially since, at worst, he only alluded to the verboten word rather than actually typing it.

[davidpdx]

199. Good point

I'm sure there will be certain people who will continue to rub it in his face. I hope he does come back and will support him.

[madfloridian]

257. It would be a hard decision. The gloating over this is unbearable to me.

Not sure what I would do.

I would terrified now to post anything at all about Hillary. And Bernie supporters are being called huge names right now because of this.

The Bernie forum is locking posts left and right, yet some groups keep insisting attacks are being allowed.

It's toxic right now.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. Can I despair openly? K&R

I must say that I'm not despairing over NYC_SKP but I am pissed off about his banning.

[madfloridian]

131. Well, okay, just no dancing.

Promise?

[Warpy]

3. I hope he's reinstated after he has a chance to heal

I miss the old NYC_SKP.

BTW, there will be rejoicing by the time the ban hammer comes down on me, I fully expect it. I too have an illness that can affect brain functioning in the last stage. I'm only in mid stage now and rock stable. I won't always be there.

Y'all have my permission to do some grave dancing at that point, I'll probably deserve it.

[Warren Stupidity]

7. you are going to have to do a massive amount of gnarly bullshit

between now and then to get that sort of reaction.

[Warpy]

10. You don't think I'm capable of it?

That hurts.

[Warren Stupidity]

21. It was not a challenge.

I used to think NYC_SKP was a pretty good guy here. I don't need more surprises like that.

[Art_from_Ark]

12. I would be deeply shocked if either you or Madfloridian got banned

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. I will not

it is DU, and the purges get bad here.

Of course if the openly allowed antisemitism keeps it up and nothing is done about it. no need to ban me. I will leave again. This is what makes me shake my head. That ban was pure BS... becuase the rules have never, and will never, be equally enforced.

I came back out of a promise to one of our local sources, to spread her story... black lives matter, but truly my interest in Policy is no longer compatible to this place... and it is quite the time sink

[Owl]

44. Luv ya Nadin, just so you know!

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. Back at ya

[zeemike]

99. I love you too Nadin.

Although we have had sharp disagreements in the past you have always been stand up...and I always read your posts with interist.

But I understand your feelings.

[LittleBlue]

18. Your absence would be a huge loss to the forum

I will hope for your health IRL and longevity here on DU.

[niyad]

118. sorry, will not be rejoicing if that sad day happens, much less dancing. hope you can be here

for a long, long time.

[merrily]

173. Why will you deserve it? Because you will be ill and possibly unable to

do any differently? I hope that day never comes. If it does, I hope at least some of us will be capable of compassion and will remember the poster you have been.

I am so sorry you have to deal with this.

[madfloridian]

226. No rejoicing at all, Warpy.

Just

I am sorry to hear that. You will be in my thoughts.

[onehandle]

4. I would never call anyone, Democratic or Republican the C-word.

If I did, I would hopefully get what I deserved.

[madfloridian]

9. Don't turn this thread into the other one. Please. He did NOT use the c word.

For people like naive old-fashioned me, I did not even see anything wrong with the two words he used. I had no clue.

So just leave it be, please.

[Warren Stupidity]

13. Please, that is nonsense.

[madfloridian]

39. You have made your point both here and in the Bernie forum

We will have to disagree.

[ScreamingMeemie]

20. I would fondly recall the incredible job you did for us in the 2004 Primaries and after...

keeping us updated on the good Dr. Dean.

That said, and because the "Oh please" response you received, I polled my father (aged 70). He had no idea that those two words could be misconstrued as something else. I had to explain it to him. His response? "What horseshit."

[madfloridian]

26. I am not up on slang and code words. They would have gone right past me.

[bettyellen]

141. But it's been proven Skip knew exactly what he was saying.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7059909%237059935


I guess now you'll need to make up a new excuse for it?

[madfloridian]

142. I told you I got your message loud and clear. Little tolerance, no real listening to what...

others of us say.

Hey, he's gone. He won't be saying anything about Clinton here anymore.

You have been the major poster in this thread. I understand you perfectly.

[bettyellen]

145. That you think nothing of the c*nt part and make it all about Clinton is nonsense...

There are hundreds and hundreds of slimy negative things posted about Clinton posted every single day. Get off the cross, people no one is crucifying you for it.

[madfloridian]

148. I did not defend use of that word. I do NOT attack Hillary.

You said "Get off the cross, people no one is crucifying you for it."

Perhaps some of you need to read your own stuff more carefully.

[merrily]

177. The riff du jour seems to be that anyone

who so much as mentioned that NYC's been going through all kinds of hell for a solid year and wondered if that might have had something to do the conduct people were complaining of condones use of the C word. As short on logic and reality as it is on compassion, but it's been posted a number of times on cyberswede's thread and on Nuclear Dem's and probably in other places on this board and others as well.

[sabrina 1]

259. Just post a link to where we can find that word used. I have repeatedly asked for a link but

so far have not received it.

[bettyellen]

262. Why would you ask when you've seen and discussed them here, lol!

I guess it's a game to you. Whatever.

[sabrina 1]

263. I ask because I have not seen the post that contains that word. Why would you not post it

if you have seen it?

[bettyellen]

264. You have seen and commented on the post that got Skip banned. Why play games?

It comes off as kinda phony. And a waste of my time!

[sabrina 1]

268. 'Phony' is claiming a word was used that was not. I saw the post SKP wrote which did NOT contain the

'c' word. Now you insist the word was used, yet cannot post a link to it. Therefore the conclusin that has been made a majority of DUers it appears, the the word was not used, and SKP was not banned for using that word. To say otherwise is phony.

[bettyellen]

270. Phony is playing games like this- and games like Skip did here too.

[sabrina 1]

271. Oh I agree that playing games is phony. This was a very simple thing. You made a claim that a 'word'

was used, I asked you to provide a link so that we could see it for ourselves. If it had been used, I suspect you would have provided the link gladly. Since it was not used, you chose to play a game of avoidance. I don't mind playing, but I do mind inaccurate claims both about who decided to play and who said what.

[bettyellen]

272. You can stop pretending Skip didn't throw out slurs - the admins here caught it

And it was malicious. Every bit as malicious as those horrible women inciting fights at the pool party.

Giving bigotry a pass here is reprehensible- and deliberately creating a hostile atmosphere in what is intended to be a tolerant space. Thanks god the admins here have standards. And they've provided a cesspool over at Discussionist for anyone who misses the "freedom" to express their bigotry unimpeded.

[Divernan]

196. Your Dad was exactly right! "What horseshit!"

[MissDeeds]

27. +1000

Agree completely.

[still_one]

43. Gee, interesting the lies we tell ourselves to justify the sadness we feel for someone who went too

far.

[HERVEPA]

70. Yes, you had no clue.

Happily, EarlG did.

[AtheistCrusader]

133. He did, you just didn't understand what he said.

If by some freak chance you got banned, I would not celebrate. That sort of thread is a consequence, and it is earned, slowly, over time. There were a LOT of reasons for the posts in that thread.

None of those reasons apply to you.

[madfloridian]

243. I know too many instances....

when far less than the c word happened. A teacher friend from Wisconsin who posted about her football team and the lovely woods around her home.

I could go on all night. People who really felt DU was like a home.

It's painful.

No one person is entitled to the presidency. It's an election. One runs and takes their chances.

[NCTraveler]

213. "I had no clue."

They did and that is what matters.

[The Straight Story]

32. Says the person with a 'Small Penis' sig line

Maybe some find that offensive. And maybe some are more equal to others in your mind when it comes to being offended at something.

"hey, let's take someone with years and years of contribution to this site and liberal ideas and throw them out of the tent because we didn't like one thing they said....it's such a forward thinking thing to do!"

I have lost faith in du and some of my 'liberal' friends here. It has become a 'country club' where a few members work to kick out the less desirables.

[progressoid]

122. Yup. n/t

[magical thyme]

195. +1000 on the title.

[Divernan]

197. I found the "This Town Needs An Enema" sig line offensive

In a former DU, I objected to it, pointing out in a private communication to the admins that it was so crude, offensive and low class. Evidently the admins agreed because at that time the poster dropped that sig line and started using another one. He was never publicly chastised or reprimanded about it. Sadly, he was allowed to revert to it again in the past year - although I think now he's on a 90 day posting timeout.

Perhaps one could object to it on behalf of those suffering from Irritable Bowel Syndrome?

[Algernon Moncrieff]

217. I'd point out that it's a famous movie line

Jack Nicholson from the Michael Keaton "Batman." So, I think the argument would be that it's a pop-culture reference.

[Divernan]

221. I did not know that -

In my ignorance, I understood the poster to be referring to DU as "this town".

[sabrina 1]

269. I remember that now that you mention it. Not crazy about Batman movies, but love Jack Nicholson.

[Lizzie Poppet]

236. I don't find that offensive.

However, my take on what it tells me about anyone posting it (to say nothing of using it as a .sig element) would definitely be ban fodder...

[sabrina 1]

202. Neither did NYC_SKP.

[BrotherIvan]

5. Many DUers with multiple time outs are allowed back

One that just implied violence to another poster.

And if the voice of public education on this site gets banned, then the site should no longer pretend to the word Democratic.

[tammywammy]

14. there's one poster I know of that was banned for violent threats and PMs and allowed back

I don't think he should have been allowed back. If NYC wants back he can email the admins and ask for forgiveness.

[BrotherIvan]

15. It just shows that some are more equal than others

I have heard tell of the story you are relating. The incident I mentioned happened just this week.

[bluesbassman]

19. That's an interesting point.

Some of those with multiple time outs had some alert stalking going on, but for the most part those hides were deserved. Yet after ten, fifteen, or more hides by juries they still were able to return, and some continue with the same behavior.

Maybe after a little cooling off period NYC_SKP can return. I'd give odds though that if he does he'll have a big target on his back.

[BrotherIvan]

24. A lot of people have targets

I think I just sewed mine on about a week ago. But I am not nearly as attached or active as NYC SKP. I am not condoning his behavior or have an opinion on his banning, but it does seem as if punishment is not doled out equally. C'est la vie.

[Dragonfli]

40. You are definitely on the kill list, watch your back.

I am going to stop posting here until after the election because I have been told I am on the list, (well strongly implied in a PM anyway).

I have been here a long time, I would rather go silent and register new voters IRL for Bernie that get axed via whatever excuse is found handy at the time for my not embracing the establishment candidate.

I will read tho, so I'll see ya around.

[PeaceNikki]

45. A "kill list"? Are you saying that the admins here have a "kill list"!!??

[bettyellen]

58. A new lie created today - the Clinton group's blocked list = Skinner's hit list, ha ha...

Almost as dramatic as as the " you called Bernie a racist" lie. When all you have is paranoia, everything is a conspiracy theory!

[PeaceNikki]

61. It's... Just... I can't even.

[bettyellen]

66. I know... You see the big lie about Bernie being called a racist here everyday....

And you ask for a link and no ones got one.
They know better.
This is hilarious- Skinners got a list!! Of what- people who use hateful sexist terms? Good on me if he does. It's about time!

[PeaceNikki]

68. How can I get the anti-choicers on that list?

[bettyellen]

73. One ignore at a time is all I got. Lol.

[Texasgal]

97. Crazy dramatic bullshit!

UGH!

[bettyellen]

102. Now people are dramatically anticipating their purge because it's not the sexist slur, lol

It's hating Hillary that did him in. Oh dear, the melodrama is pretty damned funny.
I do think that sliming DU is also banable- so maybe they'll get their wish!

[Dragonfli]

63. No, groups of people that think they run the place and have no life outside

of the adoration they feel for their favorite personalities, they appear to believe that any that do not fall in love with the object of their affection is barely tolerable if silent and absolutely must be banished if they voice objections to policies and financially questionable (or any questionable) behavior exhibited by the objects of their affections. They roam in packs and attack the same way, working until some trumped up nonsense results in a PPR.

They are quite persistent in what they do and sometimes successful, even if they have to place words in peoples mouths to do it.

Are you implying that the admins offer the occasional assist? Shit I sure hope not, but as of today I can't say I'd disagree like I would have without question yesterday.

[PeaceNikki]

67. EarlG banned him for that post. Nobody made him post that.

Your implication that there is some collaborated effort to "kill" posters here and that admins are in on it is really over the top.

[Dragonfli]

72. Alert stalking has it's consequences, many of them hoped for

Many of them planned for.


Sometimes even successfully - as evidenced by the high fives when a new name gets crossed off the list.

Hazaa!! Good job to whomever ran point on that one, I mean it, words had to be twisted beyond all definable meaning, but by golly a win is a win!
(whomever scored that goal deserves a round of drinks from the pack.)

[bettyellen]

71. No one put that spoonerism for c#nt in his mouth, using that sexist slur

Was his choice, and his alone.
I don't give a fuck if he used it on Ann Coulter- it's
OTT in a politically liberal space. EarlG agreed it was a slur.

You agreed to the TOS, enough of this martyr bullshit. You have 90% of the net to offend women and POC and feel safe doing so. Don't agree to the terms and act shocked.

[Dragonfli]

75. He never said what he was claimed to have said, and what the hell is a spoonerism?

Is that the method used to twist someones words to mean something they never stated?

(English is my first language And I find many of Hillary's tactics questionable, that does not mean I am calling her names)

[bettyellen]

78. It is a well known spoonerism (look up the phrase if you'd like an informed discussion)

And it was employed to convey a sexist slur and get off "on a technicality ". Fuck that, not buying how much ignorance people are bragging they wallow in over it.

[Dragonfli]

84. So, because you see hidden secrets in common words and others suffer similar paranoia

I may be posting an insult right now without knowing it?

I'd much rather stick to English thank you. Hidden meanings take too much time to search for especially when such hidden messages are so "common" one has never heard of their supposed existence.

It must really feel horrible to think people are hiding insults against you all the time, it must take forever to decode a common dime store novel if one must first search the internet for every grouping of words in case someone with paranoia issues hears voices in those words.

Don't have the time for such nonsense, I would rather stick to just reading English without seeking out voices in my head that may or may not exist depending upon what someone once said on the internet.

[bettyellen]

90. Skip acknowledged the word play- so what game are YOU playing when you deny it?

Nonsense is this denial when Skip references it himself.
You'd just like any exuse to give him a pass for the slur- well tough shit. It's against the TOS. Read it and weep.

[Dragonfli]

116. I do not think he did, but you will see persecution no matter what I say or read

If you want my honest opinion, I really do not see the offenses you appear to see everywhere you look. I have made an observation however - there is a pack mentality driven by varying personalities and at least two such packs try very hard to silence criticism by silencing the voices that express such criticism.

I refuse to play such games, if you want me gone it will be very hard for you and whatever pack you may run with, my policy observations and criticisms of candidates as well as support for others is better spent when talking to actual people when I canvass.

you can not "kill" my voice there, it is also saner IRL, where no one assumes such nasty motives as you do nor do they imply I am slurring anybody when I am not as you appear to as if it were an uncontrollable reflex.

I follow the TOS, but that doesn't matter to those that would twist my words to make them appear something they are not.

I have registered 17 voters and counting that haven't voted in years, all of whom did so in order to vote for Sanders in the primary, and I have only just begun. Read that and weep, I know you think I am harming women somehow by not doing so for Clinton, but I am not, and your offense at my actions and your concerns do not trouble me, nor can you cross me off the list as I will not be posting much, if ever, until after the primary.

I hope you find peace someday and leave the paranoia and the pain that often accompanies such things behind you and you learn to accept people again without seeing enemies behind every corner. Until that time I understand the need to stay close to a very narrow group that shares your personality obsession and the need to feel sheltered among them and only them. When you find peace you will also find that those that support others are not natural enemies, just other people, most of which would never dream of harming you.

Maybe we will talk again after the elections.

[bettyellen]

125. Sorry- what paranoia and pain? The admins agree the c*nt reference was OTT so I'm quite happy!

And having a good chuckle and those who claim to not see what Skip was so thoughtful as to spell out for you.

Pretending it's about Hillary is paranoia. Imagining you know jack shit about me - other than I hate seeing sexist slurs here- is fucking delusional. But you have to say what you have to say to keep your illusions going.
Good on you for registering voters! I gave it up for a while after the locals threw out the last few hundred. Tiring taking people to get court orders proving the registration is up at county.
They have me pegged too, just like you do.

[neverforget]

149. You were alerted on. It failed 0-7

On Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:36 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

So, because you see hidden secrets in common words and others suffer similar paranoia
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6781338

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Accusing another DU'er of paranoia, yes these two have gone at it in this subthread but this accusation is just out of line. "Don't have the time for such nonsense, I would rather stick to just reading English without seeking out voices in my head" Pushed it WAY over the edge, please vote to hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:41 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is one of the more nonsense alerts of the day… Grow some thicker skin, or put the person on ignore, rather than this tripe.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yeah, there's been enough blood shed over this already.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I will not vote to hide this post. Good Grief. Pearl clutching.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This post is stupid. The phrase in question hardly requires a secret decoder ring. But while it's stupid, I don't think the accusation of paranoia is hide-worthy.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[merrily]

174. How odd. The first mention of paranoia my browser found on this thread was in Reply 58.

No doubt the alerter missed that one before alerting on dragonfli for echoing language from an earlier post.. I'd hate to think it was just more of the double standards and alert stalking behavior against DU's left we see here way too damn much.

[BeanMusical]

79. "what the hell is a spoonerism?"

It must be some code word for something very nasty. It should be alerted on just in case and someone will come up with an alternative twisted definition.

[PeaceNikki]

95. Is your Google broken?

Your ignorance of a literary term doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoonerism

The one Skip used is well known. Metallica made a documentary by the name with the same charming meaning.

[BeanMusical]

103. Read again:

"someone will come up with an alternative twisted definition."

al·ter·na·tive
ôlˈtərnədiv/
adjective
adjective: alternative

1.
(of one or more things) available as another possibility.

[PeaceNikki]

113. Plead your defense of the accused to EarlG.

I agree with his assessment that it was meant to be a cutsie coy way of saying it without REALLY saying it.

Maybe you'll change his mind. But I doubt it.

[BeanMusical]

120. The banning was politically motivated so I seriously doubt that he'll ever be back.

NYC posted a number of nasty things in the past but always got a pass, until now.

[LiberalArkie]

105. Kind of like people who have no problem using nig$#er and fag^ot and such things that are so popular

here.

[merrily]

183. Can you post links to examples of posts here using those words?

I haven't seen any, yet you say they are "so popular here." It's puzzling.

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:58 AM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: In all of my years here, I have rarely ever seen those two words used without it being hidden or removed. When it was allowed to stand, it was because of the context of the post. The context here doesn't cover it and deserves a hide, as those words are NOT "so popular here" and it is insulting to the DU community/family to suggest otherwise.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's always difficult to keep personal prejudice out of a thing like this. And wherever you run into it, prejudice always obscures the truth. I don't really know what the truth is. I don't suppose anybody will ever really know. Nine of us now seem to feel that the defendant is innocent, but we're just gambling on probabilities - we may be wrong. We may be trying to let a guilty man go free, I don't know. Nobody really can. But we have a reasonable doubt, and that's something that's very valuable in our system. No jury can declare a man guilty unless it's sure.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is no libel here. Reach out to Admin on this one.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is a violation of TOS in my opinion. Complaining about DU. And I too have never seen these words used here.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[marble falls]

205. Caravan made a good album 20 years earlier:

?list=PL94gOvpr5yt3hZhrvQ46RJ8RWQ6P343BK

[MrMickeysMom]

150. The results of your jury service...

Apparently, some of us have brains...

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
On Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:36 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

So, because you see hidden secrets in common words and others suffer similar paranoia
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6781338

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Accusing another DU'er of paranoia, yes these two have gone at it in this subthread but this accusation is just out of line. "Don't have the time for such nonsense, I would rather stick to just reading English without seeking out voices in my head" Pushed it WAY over the edge, please vote to hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:41 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is one of the more nonsense alerts of the day… Grow some thicker skin, or put the person on ignore, rather than this tripe.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yeah, there's been enough blood shed over this already.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I will not vote to hide this post. Good Grief. Pearl clutching.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This post is stupid. The phrase in question hardly requires a secret decoder ring. But while it's stupid, I don't think the accusation of paranoia is hide-worthy.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[merrily]

176. Please see also, Reply 174.

[BeanMusical]

77. +1

[cui bono]

87. I didn't see any mention of the admins.

But I believe it was in the NYC_SKP is banned thread where someone was happy he was gone and said "This battle is OVER". That sounds rather ominous when talking about another DUer being banned.

And if you've ever peeked behind the curtains of this place, in the host forums, you most probably have seen people actively trying to get certain DUers banned. So yes, it happens, people are targeted. I know this for a fact.

Hell, in the Hillary Group they even had an OP that was applauded and rec'd where they were plotting to email Bernie's campaign with links to posts by Sanders' supporters that they deemed mean. I am not making this up! I know it sounds like I am, but it seriously happened! I mean that is fucking grade school mentality right there.

[pacalo]

166. That's disappointing to hear.

The OP described in your 3rd paragraph is

I hadn't seen that.

[merrily]

178. Talk about crossing a line! Crossing a line on a board is one thing. Crossing it IRL is something

entirely different. How ugly and pointless!

What goodies did they expect to get from this? That Bernie would come scold a bunch of anonymous strong supporters of his on a message board--and then that would "make" us....do what, exactly?

[cui bono]

241. Believe it or not, one of the OP's biggest arguments was how childish Sanders' supporters'

posts were. I kid you not.

[merrily]

248. I see. The mature way to handle an immature post is

"I'm telling a man currently very busy running for most powerful person in the world on you."

[RandiFan1290]

187. The Purge Continues!

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

kill list?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:25 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Saying that Skinner has a 'Kill list' is pretty extreme.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Skinner, please call off your alert stalkers!
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The need for censorship seems to be increasing here. Good grief. It's just an opinion. It might be paranoid--it might not. Not voting to hide.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Maybe a bit of minor conspiracy theorizing, not worth hiding. But the death panel will keep an eye on the poster
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Poster is obviously not making a threat.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[davidpdx]

203. That is such stupid ass shit

The Clinton supporters have made accusations of alert stalking, but it is pretty apparent that is what they are doing in this thread.

[merrily]

244. Not only on this thread.

[Eleanors38]

239. Well, I know I don't have one...

I remember a posting in the Gungeon, where penis-oriented attacks are REQUIRED, a poster who was frustrated with me ask of the heavens "Isn't there a way to ban a star member?" If you are pro-2A, you betta watch yo' step.

[BrotherIvan]

242. I must admit I like discussing issues with you much better if it isn't about guns

[Eleanors38]

250. I think NYC SKP's status in DU was shakier due to his pro 2A stance.

I try to discuss issues with a variety of folks, and let them know when I agree. Or at least laugh at their jokes.

[Lizzie Poppet]

252. No doubt in my mind.

Particularly given who banned him.

I doubt I'll last much longer, myself...

[Eleanors38]

265. I don't suffer many "hides" any more due to the large number of "ignores" I've picked up...

No one is aware of my scintillating presence!

[The Straight Story]

8. It seems like what the mob wants at times

Someone who has been here a long time, judged by the few over a few posts out of thousands.

Contributions here for years seem to mean nothing to some - the witch hunt, especially in primary season, is in full swing.

I guess we are to be judged on a few posts over many years than on many.

Not a very progressive attitude, but then I doubt the progressiveness of DU these days.

[Fumesucker]

59. Long time no see..

[Exilednight]

232. This is the Democratic Underground, not the Progressive Underground. The two are not

Mutually inclusive.

It's very sad to see.

[marble falls]

11. I don't know if I'll celebrate your theoretical banning or not, what are you planning to do?....

Regarding NYC, I don't about his other infractions. Using the word he did in context he used it in was out of line. But I agree with you: he deserves to come back but there has to be an understanding about using that sort of language again.

[LittleBlue]

16. He and others like him taught me that good health is a blessing

Too often health is taken for granted until something goes wrong

[Fumesucker]

22. I've gotten to the point over the last year or so that I find DU amusing more than anything

There are a few posters who rub me the wrong way, mostly I've just stopped replying to them, I got a couple of hides some months back one of which I wasn't expecting at the time but in retrospect I probably should have while the other one I basically set out to get.

On the other hand there are posters here I really like a lot and they keep me clicking, you are one of them in case I've never told you.

NYC_SKP and I have our differences for sure, his posture on Charlie Hebdo being a big one but we also agreed strongly on the Hydrogen Economy being largely a scam by the fossil fuel industry.

He does seem changed lately, as someone who has sought professional mental health treatment myself I have a good deal of sympathy for someone going through what he's had happen to him. I get the impression he has something that's acting like Tourettes making him blurt out inappropriate stuff

The post was worthy of a hide for sure, no matter why it was said or who says it. As for banning, it's a private website and the admins have the right to say who enters their house, their domain so it's their call.

As Skinner is wont to say, you writes your post and you takes your chances.

[blm]

76. That was the gist of my post. Health issues and the meds needed -

hard to be sociable on some of the harsh medications.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026778418

[merrily]

179. when my sister carries my neice through a store, my neice keeps reaching down

to pull the hair of her old brother, who is usually well-behaved. She's a toddler and probably just wants his attention. Somehow, my sister manages to miss all this, until my nephew bats his sister's hand away--not hard, just enough to give her a hint to stop. My neice starts crying, whereupon my sister scolds my nephew.

Oh, but why did that story spring to mind? You were saying about Skinner?

[carolinayellowdog]

23. I cannot think of a banning that would be more disturbing

and many would feel equally disturbed were it to happen

[BrotherIvan]

30. +1

When people have contributed as much to a site as madfloridian, that needs to be acknowledged. The sad part is that those who contribute much less can stalk them.

[Dragonfli]

25. Lots of us will get banned, they are even twisting peoples words now to do it.

Someone made a false claim about someone and I made the mistake of pointing out that the words were twisted beyond anything that can be found in the dictionary in order to do it.

I of course was locked out for pointing it out.

The only thing to do at this point to avoid the kill list is to never, ever, do anything but agree with the establishment candidate.
I know I am on the kill list because I point out when politicians appear to be purchased by special interests. My only option to avoid the hammer is stop posing until after the election.

You should consider not criticizing NCLB if the establishment candidate comes out in favor of it like the last one did, at least until after the election, or you will make the kill list as well, and if they have to twist your words into a non existent slur to do it.






They will.





I will be very upset when they get to you, all you have ever done is post the truth about attacks on our once proud education system, once they get rid of you all that will be left is race to the top propaganda. It will not be fair and it will upset me.

[2banon]

35. ^this^!

[hrmjustin]

28. if i get banned i can name at least 40 to 60 who would celebrate.

[Renew Deal]

37. I know I would

cry.

[hrmjustin]

42. lol thanks.

[nadinbrzezinski]

152. Is this a competition? I can name a bunch

[herding cats]

29. It'll be a great loss if you ever get banned.

So don't go and let that happen, you hear me?

I admit to be shocked by what NYC_SKP said, but we all say and do foolish things at times. He's been under a lot of stress with his health, which could help explain it some. My hope is once things here cool off a bit, and if he still wants to, he'll be able to come back and contribute again.

That thread about his banning, I've never seen anything like it here. I'm thinking it has much to do with the Jets vs the Sharks thing currently taking place. Like you said, it's primary time.

As for me, I plan on being more aggressive with hides when people start getting truly ugly with each other in threads. With tempers and moods being what they are, my hope is it might save an otherwise good member from going off the rails and being banned.

[madfloridian]

251. I saw a thread today that I think was cruel.

Someone obviously agitated was being ridiculed by many posters, some of whom stunned me. I saw two being kind, and I intend to thank them in a PM.

I can not stand just being cruel when someone needs for people to back off and not agitate more.

There's a lot of cruelty around, and it hurts to see it.

[2banon]

31. I'm truly disappointed that your op got highjacked even after you requested to please avoid turning

this thread into another opportunity to trash SKIP NY and twist his remarks into something really stupid that was NOT said. Very disturbing and they just can't seem to help themselves, can they?

.

[Logical]

33. The DU loves the "I told you so" and "Long Overdue" and "About time". nt

[Renew Deal]

34. If you got banned this place would need to be demolished.

All credibility would be lost.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

38. As a veteran of many very major surgeries myself, I'd like to remind folks

that surgery is extremely stressful. Add other major life stressors, and it changes you. Sometimes, you can get triggered and you don't even recognize yourself.

[still_one]

49. Frankly, what you and others are suggesting is a defense of, "it wasn't my fault, I wasn't in my

right mind". This is a moderated forum, with a lot of latitude, and if folks cannot stay within those boundaries,, then they will face the consequences

[madfloridian]

74. Wow.

[BeanMusical]

85. Wow indeed.

[snagglepuss]

157. A thread like this is a great opportunity to determine who

gets added to one's Ignore list. Just saying. That said what I find so disturbing is that those who support the ban seem to have no concept of irony or perhaps deliberately being obtuse.

I am reminded of the response to the teacher who named a teddy bear Mohammed.

To my thinking it is clear as day that NYC's response to the troll was ironical. He was letting the troll know that knew exactly what she was doing.

[magical thyme]

194. um, with brain surgery you really are not in your right mind.

Not to mention that the medications associated with some health conditions really do impact your brain function.

"A lot of latitude" would include hiding or deleting threads that step out of bounds, in particular when the poster in question does have health issues that have the potential to impair their inhibitions, impulse control, moods, memory, etc.

As opposed to banning the poster who truly is not in their right mind.

It's called compassion and empathy.

[madfloridian]

80. That was a kind post, Blanche.

Unfortunately it brought out unkindness in someone else. I hate it when that happens.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

89. Weird...I was gonna reply to that guy, but when I hit Send,

It said the thread was locked.

[madfloridian]

96. Somehow it was unlocked.

I did not ask, but someone unlocked it. That was nice.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

100. interesting!

Too bad I lost the post. One of my patented Splanchnik© slap downs..... LoL!

[madfloridian]

104. ....

Those are the best kind.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

111. teee heeee!!!

Legend in my own mind, I am...... :snarf:

[BeanMusical]

114. The locking message is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026780656#post56 Weird.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

115. odd.

quite odd.

[merrily]

180. Me, too; and I could not agree with you more. And surgeries were not his only issues this year.

I'm sorry you've had to go through so much.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

245. Same to you, merrily.

Hope you're doing much better now

[merrily]

247. Thank you.

I was not expected to live, so I'm doing fantastic, incredible, unbelievable, amazing. (Everything is relative.)

[SoapBox]

41. I would not celebrate...

And I will miss SKP...and hope that he will be eventually allowed back.

I didn't see the post nor any words used...but I'm seeing conflicting posts about it...and that is disturbing.

[CrispyQ]

46. The day you get banned, I'll never come back.

Well except to throw around some Crispy banning expletives, of course!

on edit: I've read much worse sentiment expressed toward women, in general, on this site, that was not censored or punished.

[romanic]

47. I don't have much stock in this

but on other forums that I use, "celebrating" other users getting banned openly violates the TOS of those forums. Maybe the rules need to be changed to reflect that.

Sorry about your friend getting banned though.

[madfloridian]

137. It used to be part of the rules here.

[peacebird]

48. NYC SKP was targetted, I think the ban was political. He never called Clinton a C word

It was just like a post earlier this week which was alerted because the poster wrote "two words, one syllable each" which the alerter 'interpreted' to mean fuck you. I read it as 'bye bye', but regardless, the poster did NOT clearly state anything offensive. It was up to the readers own point of view.
Same for what NYC SKP posted.

[darkangel218]

51. +1!

This is messed up :'(

[peacebird]

53. Beyond messed up. clearly DU is going downhill fast. Challenge HRCs positions at your risk......

[BeanMusical]

88. "Challenge HRCs positions at your risk"

+1 Well said.

[awoke_in_2003]

50. If you ever get banned...

I am out of here. There are only a few people I feel that way about.

[steve2470]

52. You'll never get banned

If you get banned, then I'd get banned as well. We are both at the same "toxicity level", which is pretty damn low. I think he will be offered a chance to make a sincere heartfelt apology in GD and be reinstated with the understanding that it does not occur again. If it happens again, then, I can see the case for a permanent ban.

[madfloridian]

129. Good thoughts, Steve. Hold on to them.

I think we both try to always be civil.

[merrily]

54. I had no idea you'd been so sick. I am so very sorry.

[MissDeeds]

55. I stand with you, madfloridian, and NYC_SKP

Two of the best among us.

[Sissyk]

56. Locking.

Please review the pinned thread at the top of GD.

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.

Thank you!

[hifiguy]

60. You're one of the people I couldn't imagine this place without

SCE, California Peggy, cali, calimary, Octafish, woo, and a few others never fail to make me think or laugh,

[Half-Century Man]

64. I will weep openly.

I weep for NYC_SKP.
His banning came as a shock to me.

Some of us say he did use an unforgivable curse, some of us say he didn't. I didn't see the offensive post, but I did read what was reported as his words. Without context I will reserve a personal judgment on the event.

I hope the Admins will relent at some point and contact NYC_SKP and invite him back. The additional reason of a possible medical problem lends itself toward tolerance. I know I will catch heel for that remark, but I try to advocate forgiveness and patience every time (even if that goes against my reactionary nature).

We act as the passionate loyal opposition to each other and refine our positions on each other as critiques are brought up. We have lurkers and members with strong vested interests (from both sides of the political spectrum) here. Talking points I read here, show up later in other places (Ring of Fire, Thom Heartmann, etc). NYC_SKP contributed a lot of good material over the years. Even if/when you disagreed with him, your arguments had to get sharper just to stay even.

[madfloridian]

165. That is a very nice post.

It shows thoughtfulness and also compassion. That impresses me more than dogmatism. .

[Blue_In_AK]

65. MadFlo, it would break my heart if they ever did that to you.

I'd have to leave this site for good.

[madfloridian]

117. Kind words, Blue.

Means a lot from you.

[Blue_In_AK]

119. You're one of the best.

[madfloridian]

124. Feelings the same toward you.

[WillyT]

81. Huge K & R !!! - Thank You, Thank You, Thank You !!!

[bullwinkle428]

83. DU would be FAR worse off if you ever decided to leave, madfloridian!

K&R.

[bettyellen]

94. Didn't you post a dramatic "goodbye Autum" thread there?

Looked like a suicide to me, lol.

[madfloridian]

98. I didn't leave dramatically but I did leave the group

Still supporting Bernie Sanders strongly, but I had my reasons.

[JTFrog]

101. She just went all Walt Starr on Skinner.

Funny shit.

[bettyellen]

106. Oh wow- because the freedom to call women c*nts is the hill you want to die on, lol.

Go ahead. Do it. EarlG is my hero.

[darkangel218]

112. No one should should call women that.

But posters shouldn't be BANNED because they messed up one post out of THOUSANDS!!!!

[pintobean]

229. Some of us won't be making it

through the primaries, unless protected in time-out.

[JTFrog]

163. Of course you did.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026781276

You want to ban someone? Ban me!!

Have the "dignaty" to own it. I'm guessing you can't delete a post locked by the hosts.

[JTFrog]

172. Whoosh. n/t

[Bobbie Jo]

211. Oh Dear God

[JTFrog]

222. Teh cenzorships!!!111&&!

Care to amuse me WHY????????

[Bobbie Jo]

225. lol

Take me!!1'Take me!1!

[bettyellen]

127. So you chose to break the rules, as did skip.

Didn't you post that it sucked here anyway?

[mountain grammy]

91. when I first started posting he told me my post should be an OP.

I told him I didn't know how to do that and he walked me through it and then kicked and recommended my post. I don't usually pay attention to who is posting what, but there are some DUers I always watch for and NYC_SKP was one of them. I didn't always agree with him, but I'll miss him.
He sure was kind to me and that's something I never forget.

[madfloridian]

246. Several others have written that he encouraged them as well.

We have disagreed, but we always got along okay. I just emailed him that he has a lot of support here.

[Kurska]

92. I can only imagine the grave dancing that would happen if I got banned

Which is why

[Kurska]

135. There is always hope DA

We all miss Skip and he shouldn't have gone done like this, but there is always hope.

Stay strong.

[daleanime]

108. Be a little more then just upset....

miss all of the regulars that are gone for what ever reason, whether I agreed with them or not their departure leaves DU a little smaller.

[jtuck004]

109. If I thought enough would care I would suggest a potluck. Don't forget the vegans.

For me, that is. I think people need to get up out of their chairs more anyway, might turn out to be good for them.

[F4lconF16]

121. I'll be dancing on your grave.

You'd be missed.

[darkangel218]

126. So will i

Be dancing on yours.

( you will be missed as well )

[LexVegas]

132. I'd be interested to see the excuses made for a longtime member using the n-word. nt.

[bettyellen]

134. It's startling what people will defend when they "know" a person!

Or assume they do. Easier to look the other way, ain't it?

[madfloridian]

136. Your message is loud and clear.

I got it. No compassion no mercy. Got it.

[bettyellen]

139. Not for anyone who throws out racial or sexist slurs for kicks, nope....

Not here and not in real life. Why would I give a fuck about them? They devalue my life for sport- fuck em.

[PatrickforO]

138. Getting banned is pretty serious. What did this guy do?

[emsimon33]

140. I would leave DU for good if you were banned

I now mostly lurk because there are groups that go after specific DUers in order to get them banned and I just got fed up.

I look forward to your posts and I would be bereft if a pack went out after you!

[Gormy Cuss]

143. If you're banned, why would you care?

You and I both have been around long enough to have both fans and detractors. It goes with the territory. I fully expect that those who can't stand me will tap dance on my DU tombstone but you know what? I won't waste my time worrying about it.

[JEB]

144. I am working class and have been all my 63 years.

I've heard the c-word used by both men and women directed at both men and women. I used to use it but have not for many years (unless I'm really pissed and can't think of anything better to say). Using words badly can end up advertising your own weakness. I know. Sometimes we create our own worst punishment. Banning from the conversation may be more of a favor to the offender than the offended.

[madfloridian]

151. He's not banned from the conversation.

He's banned from DU.

[JEB]

159. Good point.

Thanks for the perspective. Still I think the place here (DU) will be a little diminished without his (I guess NYC-SKP is male) voice.

[yuiyoshida]

146. I have only ever had one post hidden

for speaking in Japanese without an English translation. It shocks me to learn he is gone, as he was always very nice to me, but I agree with the reason why. I hope to never be banned either..I like it here too much and feel this place provides a purpose for me. I have no idea why he said what he said, its crazy. I can get emotional about politics...but never say anything that far out in left field.

[iamthebandfanman]

147. i know, right? nt

[Dems to Win]

153. If you get banned, I won't have to pretend to be a little bit upset

Your posts on education are excellent, must-reads. I am simply amazed at how much the basic tests kids take are changed from when I was a kid. Your posts help keep me in touch with what's going on in schools today.

Of course, I can't imagine that you would get banned, seeing as how your posts are thoughtful and informative and civilized.

NYC_SKP pretty much had a dance party on the graves of the Newtown kids, with post after post gleefully describing his guns in the wake of the massacre. Given that reality, it's only natural that some people are going to dance on his grave a bit.

I truly cannot imagine the same happening to you.

Here's to lots more madfloridian posts to come!

[Lifelong Protester]

155. I tried to read through all the posts

about NYC_SKP being banned, and wow, after what he's been through, wow. I'm hoping it was his health problems that made him go 'over the line' but some of the responses seemed a little mean-spirited and 'over the line'.

[StevieM]

156. I wonder if anyone would notice if I was banned. Maybe a few people didn't like me during the 2008

primary season. Even then I think that there were other Hillary supporters who were much better known and more hated.

I remember putting up my first pro-Obama post after his acceptance speech in Denver. Someone said that he appreciated it and admitted that he hated me during the primaries. I joked that I was surprised that anyone even remembered me. I think I had just over 1000 posts at that point.

[akbacchus_BC]

160. I do not think anyone notices unless you are vocal on here!

Otherwise, you will just be another statistic. DU bans people for silly reasons!

Mr. Pitt would be missed, and a few others I think!

[McCamy Taylor]

162. "Food fight at a monster truck rally" is what I called the 2008 Dem primary.

I am still trying to think of a good name for the fun filled hate fest that has only just begun. Please keep in mind that ALL Democratic presidential primaries in which there is no incumbent are food fights. If you do not believe me, read "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72."

How about instead of banning people, DU has them post on a time delay and a mod checks out their stuff to make sure it is ok for a certain period of time---like probation?

BWT, we have all had threads unfairly locked due to sensitive political issues. I had to write something like six different OPs before I could get anything past the DU mods during one of the Gaza incursions. Eventually I did a generic "War is hell for kids" piece that no one could lock or tombstone or ban. Pissed off the folks who wanted no discussion of Gaza, but there was nothing they could do about it. I present this as proof that no matter what the (seeming) bias at DU, you can always get around it if you try.

[Zorra]

167. Darlin', if you got tombstoned I'd know this place had totally gone over to the dark side. nt

[Enthusiast]

190. That would be a good indication, yes.

[marym625]

169. I would be very upset

The "dancing on the grave" posts sicken me. Especially when saying how horrible a thing was said, while they say horrible things.

[Mother Of Four]

181. I'd be pretty upset if you got banned -

I don't post much but I read every day, multiple times a day. There are so many things I look forward to, including the toon roundups, the photo contests, the way certain posters seem to get all the information I want to know and post it right away. I don't have to dig through mountains of poo on news sites trying to figure out what they are saying WITHOUT the spin. I come here to ease myself too, because I'm in a deep red area of a red southern state. It helps to surround yourself with like minders, even if it's digitally.

The reason I don't post much is because of the risk of vitriol. I guess that the anonymity effect is pretty strong here too, sadly. It's so easy for people to go on the attack when the only thing they are responding to is text on a screen. I feel like I can't respond to any police threads, because I'm automatically a crony to the bad ones by being married to one even though he's one of the good guys. It tears me apart, so I try to not even read threads on any of it anymore. I can't really talk about military, because my husband is also retired army. I also don't want to dive face first into the poison when people come out verbally swinging over who's candidate is best, so I avoid those threads too.

I sift through the posts to try and keep up with candidates positions, and today was elated to read up on O'malley some more. That's part of why I look forward to checking DU every day, to see what's going on.

I hope you never get banned, it would rip me up. It would probably end up pushing me even further away.

[malaise]

182. Lovely post

Rec

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

185. If you're banned, I won't start a thread with "Florida Man ..."

On another topic,

Happy Doughnut Day!

[hfojvt]

186. given the number of recs here

and the number you regularly get, clearly you'd be more mourned than celebrated.

I think my all time best OP only got about 70 recs and I was kinda proud of that, but really it wasn't me, it was a link from Barbara Ehrenreich that got the recs.

Having your demise celebrated would mean you got noticed. That's sort of a good thing, or something. The opposite of love is indifference, right?

Like that is supposed to be a comfort to people who are hated.

Interesting that you would stick up for skp since I just recently read that "he hated public education".

I just had emergency surgery myself a little over two weeks ago, but I generally do not post about my health problems here. Nor did I start a thread when my Blake died even though that hurt like hell.

I did post a poll once when I got out of the hospital in 2005. After surgery they asked me "who is President of the United States" and I was damned if I was gonna say "George W. Bush". I said "I think it is Al Gore" and the nurse laughed but I had to wonder. In 2005, should I have said John Kerry?

But now that I have posted a bunch of random thoughts, I sorta feel like I should demand some beer and travel money and many experiences which I am owed.

[BlueMTexpat]

188. I won't have to pretend.

I'll be upset.

Please don't leave.

[Enthusiast]

189. If you were ever banned it would be a travesty.

[treestar]

192. Well you can ask

But you would not have any control over it and the posters that don't like you would likely not comply with your request so this is meta that should be locked. There has been far too much of it.

[Helen Borg]

193. Why would you be banned?

[madfloridian]

220. It would not be surprising at all. It could happen easily.

I often post about how our Democrats have carried on Bush policies in education. Not a popular topic. I often post topics that are not popular...it only takes a few alerts to start things up. Then the next time more alerts from many of the same people. The jury may not take time to read the post in question and just take the word of the alerter.

Then the same keep alerting, add a few more.

It could happen very easily.

[Helen Borg]

227. How could somebody who has contributed

so many posts to DU be banned like that?... There must be some recourse process. News to me!

[madfloridian]

228. Well...

SKP had 68,644 posts, 80% rating to serve as a juror. Been here 7 years.

Gone over one post in which he was possibly taunting a poster who was removed quickly.

It can happen that quickly.

[Stellar]

201. I had a post of mine hidden once and it was because of

my ignorance on the subject. I do apologize, and it still embarrasses me when I think of it.

[JonLP24]

204. Oh yeah -- I remember well now that he was a moderator

I had forgotten all about that but not that he was consistently nice poster and it is really hard to especially if empathy drives your values. I didn't know about the health problems but I certainly always try to be kind. I don't ever admit it but I can easily get my feelings hurt, I can be harsh but I don't think I insult or not much -- I haven't had a post hidden in DU2 or DU3 and took pride in that but not too long ago openly accused someone of being a troll because of his Republican opinions (was a big defender of NYPD turning & uses Republican rhetoric when making a false equivalence with teacher's union but only the most glowing terms (except cop unions look out for bad cops like teachers unions look out for bad teachers as if all unions are as uncompromising as the police ones).

But I never had problems with NYC Skip or anyone or him objecting over anything other than policies candidates, etc. From what I understand it wasn't an outright, serious use of the word and implies the T letter rather than directly using it. Certainly a bad & inappropriate joke but its weird to see an arbitrary ban after always open transparency pages that came back from a "review" of their account -- not that I want them banned but a similar thing and if Skip comes back showing he learned & understand from crossing the line or if he shows it is an unfixable problem. I understand this is a private run board and they can do whatever they want, as a suggestion anyway -- they give an awful lot of chances & don't even notice the closet racists -- I just didn't see anything from Skip that elicited a "about g'damn time" but in fact -- exactly the opposite.

[davidpdx]

206. Thank you about the background on NY_Skip

I had no idea about his health problems. I hope he stays well.

I think you'd really have to jump the shark to get banned from this place. I've seen you get angry, but never mad enough to get banned.

[RR2]

207. Between this thread and some other discussions about juries here

It sounds like its pretty easy to get banned around here.

[packman]

208. If I get banned I want the full ceremony

a band, a corp of lifetime members standing in formation, the entire DU administrators and being paraded in front of the entire membership where my rank will be stripped from me, my sword of anger broken over a knee, all my previous threads unraveled, and a dirge played as I am led to the edge of the internet and thrown back into the void of political darkness.

Now that's the way to go.

[madfloridian]

212. lol

[merrily]

209. madfloridian, you are simply not allowed to leave DU.

You are and encyclopedia of education, Democratic Party history and other things. You cannot be replaced. You are not going anywhere.

That is all.

[peasant one]

210. words matter

I sometimes get very angry at posters here---but I try not to bring that anger to my posts. I despise gender specific insults as much as race specific insults---not because I am too sensitive but because those terms are meant to demean others and, in my opinion, they have no place in serious public discourse. Sometimes I think people forget that these terms have a cumulative effect on individuals and society at large. If individuals here would not stoop to these tactics, I think DU would improve tremendously.

[valerief]

235. A word only has the power we give it. nt

[valerief]

214. But he said a magic word which opened up the portals of Hell, apparently.

To some people here, life must be much like a fantasy novel.

[Horse with no Name]

215. you've consistently been one of my favorites

the only reason I even knew about NYC was that I saw it on another friend's Facebook. lol

[Algernon Moncrieff]

216. If you get banned, I'm outta here.

At that point, the site would be so broken, it wouldn't be worth visiting. I'd move on.

[madfloridian]

218. It could happen to any of us any time. It only takes a few people to get the job done.

Trust me. It could happen so easily.

But thanks for that anyway.

[raouldukelives]

219. There are some posters whose absence would portend my own.

You are truly one.

[samsingh]

224. let's count the ways that we can get posts hidden - merely by questioning rules - or getting banned

?


i am so appalled by this. i look forward to the day that my DU habit is licked and i no longer visit this site.

[madfloridian]

230. I edited the OP to add a link to Ida Briggs great post.

It will make you think. Trust me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6783883

[Cleita]

231. If you ever get banned, then this website is lost for sure and the trolls have won.

You are one of the more important DUers here because of the work you do in putting up informative and thoughtful posts. Many others have gone who once did so, either from death, leaving on their own, or even getting banned. You are one of the few left who matters.

[The Green Manalishi]

233. Completely agree. EOM

[Dont call me Shirley]

234. I wouldn't have to pretend to be upset, madfloridian.

[LanternWaste]

237. I hope if I get banned, I don't blame my choice to cower behind implication on anyone other than...

I hope if I get banned, I don't blame my choice to cower behind implication on anyone other than myself.

[Bugenhagen]

238. if you ever get banned I am deleting my DU bookmark

Because that will be a sign of the some sort of apocalypse.

[captainarizona]

240. because you can ban does not mean you should

Some one must of told rosa parks. Didn't you read the terms of service before you got on the bus? Or tell the civil rights marchers in selma maybe you shouldn't be on the edmund pettis bridge if you don't like are rules. I wish some one would set up a non judgmental left site.

[JCMach1]

256. Seriously, primary mess has caused me to check-in less... Especially, because I would be happy

with Bernie, Hillary, or even Martin...

All of them (in my eyes) are to the left of the current President, so that seems like a win to me.

Anyway, I am probably going to sit out the Primaries this year (certainly when it comes to the flame wars). Probably, I will remain one of those annoying undecided primary voters waiting to see where the chips fall and how the candidates perform under pressure, because WHAT ISN'T an OPTION is HAVING THE REPUKES WIN!

Everyone here is passionate about their politics, so we need to take it a little easy on peeps who have worked hard for years to make this place a good online community. So yeah, I hope to see him back after he cools off a bit.

[madfloridian]

258. I know one thing, JC. I will not post a single negative word about Hillary.

I have made clear that I would support Bernie in the primary, and a Democrat in the general. But it doesn't matter....I am now labeled a hostile "Bernie supporter".

That is my label now,and no way to overcome it.

Good to see you post something, BTW. How have you been?

[JCMach1]

266. Have been well--- adjusting life back in the US has been hard

especially economically...

[madfloridian]

267. I can imagine a big difference.

You were there for quite a few years. Would you go back? Tell your sweet wife hi for me.

[hobbit709]

260. If I ever got banned I wouldn't look behind me as I left.