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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDear NYC_SKIP, Don't Know If You're Seeing This... Or Whether You Give A Shit Anymore, But...
You've inadvertently created quite a testimonial here today.
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As of this posting...
You've made quite the splash.
And I love you and support you.
You've always been a good friend to me.
Hope to see you back soon.
And I hope you know that many here miss you terribly.
Love, WillyT
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peacebird
(14,195 posts)
CaliforniaPeggy
(156,619 posts)I just put a link to your post on his Facebook page...He'll see it.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
CaliforniaPeggy
(156,619 posts) 
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)If you are able to communicate with him, if it's not too much trouble, please tell him I am deeply sorry about this and miss him. Also, if he is on Twitter I would like to be able to follow him there so we can continue to work towards a better America.
Thank you for posting this OP to his FB account, I'm sure he will appreciate it.
calimary
(90,010 posts)And it really can give one pause. It certainly did that with me. Then I went directly to "yikes... if it can happen to him, could it happen to me, too?" I was alerted on, once, for using an admittedly loaded word that some here found offensive. I thought it very aptly fit the individual I was using it to describe, because I deliberately wanted to insult the person I was describing. But I concede the subject matter fired me up a little too corrosively. There's propriety and all.
So he referred to HRC with an offensive word? Sigh... sorry it came to that, because I've long been of the opinion that such a word does NOT describe her. But it's hard to believe he was trolling. Then again, some people just like to stir things up. I've worked with more than a few of 'em.
I do find myself feeling sad to see whenever any longtime DUer disappears. For whatever reason. They've surfed many series and seasons of tides with us, and their longer experience and perspective can be of great help.
Hope you can return someday, NYC_SKP!
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Please let him know I value him, miss him, and hope he'll be back soon.
Thanks
CaliforniaPeggy
(156,619 posts) 
niyad
(132,427 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(156,619 posts)No worries, sweetie!
niyad
(132,427 posts)
riqster
(13,986 posts)We rarely agree, but I love reading his posts.
Paka
(2,760 posts)There are a lot of us who will miss him.
Response to Paka (Reply #71)
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)please add me!
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)Thank you. 
Skittles
(171,698 posts)THANKS!
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)
veness
(413 posts) JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)
grasswire
(50,130 posts)....who is looking for beer and travel money and many experiences, would you bring him back with you?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)who've come and gone,
They let you down,
you know they've hurt your pride.
You better put it behind you;
'cause life goes on.
You keep carryin' that anger,
it'll eat you up inside baby,
Don Henley - 'Forgiveness'
Moostache
(11,171 posts)A song that holds a lot of personal meaning for me and I am sure many others...
WillyT
(72,631 posts)NYC_SKIP was one of the first persons that welcomed me here 13 Plus years ago.
He was kind, told me that the things we post here do not really change the world... at first.
And basically held my hand, and calmed me down, when I first got here after Bush v. Gore... and 9-11.
I owe him a debt of gratitude.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)on edit
ahhhh - was SKIP an earlier version of SKP? Got it.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)random thought.
Gone but never forgotten.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,681 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)
Before this gets locked too.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)people are thinking.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)
Unknown Beatle
(2,691 posts)The Rude Pundit would be laughing his ass off at the ridiculous amount of pearl clutching going on here. Have you read him? He tells it like it is without mincing any words, and yet he gets his point across with humor no matter how crude he is.
I truly feel that banning someone from DU because he was attempting to be witty, no matter how crude, is excessive.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)that is related to Hillary it probably will be locked. 
CTyankee
(68,197 posts)on that website. Bad enough for any woman, but particularly bad when the woman in question could very well become our President and the leader of the free world.
And stop with the sly demeaning of women who are objecting with your precious nerves pic...whose precious nerves are being trounced upon now...
2banon
(7,321 posts)????
You can't seriously be referring to the U.S. If so, you have a great deal to learn and understand the meaning of "Freedom, . As in Free Speech etc. . no such animal here.
Yours apparently... <sigh>
CTyankee
(68,197 posts)As for the free world, well it's a term of art that is used when referring to the president. ymmv...
2banon
(7,321 posts)especially from politicians of every stripe. just one more lie on top of so many others we're fed.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)... I think the positive should be taken in account
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)And I agree with you.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
Kurska
(5,739 posts)I swear I leave you people alone for 6 hours
Just kidding, much love skip, but you are back soon.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6777709
Might take a while to load.
Paka
(2,760 posts)all this happens when I'm in bed asleep. I woke up to all the pearl clutching. It just seems so wrong to target someone like that. I enjoyed his posts and learned a lot from him. After all this, will he even want to come back?
Maybe when he sees how much we miss him!
MattSh
(3,714 posts)I think both you and I are the lucky ones to be many time zones away from such insanity. If this is what DU is going to be the next 16 months, I probably won't make it that long.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)
Edited for the inevitable alert:
WillyT
(72,631 posts)5-2 Jury to Hide - Yes.
Lifetime Ban AFTER the jury renders it's verdict... NO!
Maybe we need the Mods back.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Yay Elad!!!!!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
Paka
(2,760 posts)I've been insulted so many times by MohRokTah that I refuse to comment on anything he posts. You said what I was thinking.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Someone like that, who is nasty in most of their posts, gets to come back even after they called for the execution of a public figure about 8 times in one thread over the course of about 10-15 minutes. (iirc, it was prize winning journalist Glenn Greenwald, though perhaps it was Snowden himself).
That sort of person gets to come back after their time out in order to continue the nastiness over and over again. Really, is calling someone a name, albeit using an offensive, misogynistic term worse than calling for the execution of someone over and over again?
polly7
(20,582 posts)From someone who did the worst thing I've seen ever on this board to another poster. Not banned for either though.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts) 
Bohunk68
(1,455 posts)I hope NYC SKP is back soon.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)DU. And it's the best game in town.
He laughs hardest who laughs last! Let's have some compassion here.
Skip made a mistake. It was laughable. I didn't even get it until I thought about it awhile. The obscenity was in the eyes of the beholders (for another dumb cliche). I really think we have to have skin a bit thicker than to be offended by a silly word play here on DU. The forbidden, shameful, sinful, outrageous word is one I never use and rarely hear and would never think of on my own. So those who caught the forbidden word play right away, you need to question your own thinking. Why did that word come to your minds so quickly. It's not Skip's fault.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)amiright? Just listen to yourself.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)But you won't be coming back ad nauseam, you know. Despite rooting for the approved candidate.
Maybe when it happens there will be a lot of:
And Yay Elad!!!!! too?
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Response to MohRokTah (Reply #44)
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Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)
TBF
(36,665 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)It was a good hide. The End.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)referencing the word towards Hillary.
It's not mysogony that got him banned, it was directing it towards Hillary. Don't fool yourself, DU is not that noble.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:13 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
He wasn't banned for using that word. He was banne for
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6781713
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
This poster is calling out EarlG as partisan and claiming he doesn't care about DUers using the c.nt word, only that it was aimed at Clinton. I know EarlG would do the same if the target of the abusive word was Warren or Bernie's wife. This post disparages an admin who has been nothing but fair since this site was created.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:17 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: it is how it is.. hide it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The poster is discussing the situation. This is a bullshit alert that makes du suck. Stop it.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm sure EarlG appreciates the ass kissing but you're proving the posters point. If you're not in lock-step with the group, you get alerted on or banned. So go ahead, report my jury comment, I know you want too.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, I sympathize because morningfog is wrong here as they so often are. But wrong is not hideable. There is no personal attack here and they did not suggest that use of the c word was OK according to THEM. They made the assertion that if the C word was used in general or at someone else, it would not have resulted in a hide. I disagree. I think morningfog is wrong about that. The c word is completely unacceptable and anyone using it would be banned.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)The reason given for the ban was that he called Hillary the offensive term. Look, I get it. That is bannable. I am not saying it isn't.
What I am saying is let's be frank about that. He wasn't banned for using the term, but for direction at Hillary. There are posters here that have used it towards other women and not been banned. Should they have been? Probably.
Rex
(65,616 posts)get to sit in Timeout after many 5 post hide histories and still get to post here? Strange, since we ban newbie disruptors from the get-go.
Yeah I get it too, private site owned by people with their own political views. Just disappointing to think there is an authoritarian tone involved. I was really shocked he did not just get a hide, since that word or a play on words about it has gotten a free pass here about a 1,000 times over.
Oh well...I was told the admins know far more about the posting history of their posters, so maybe that had something to do with it.
Anywho, since this is the place to say something to SKIP...good luck and ask for an appeal, I believe in a second chance. I give it to a lot of people that have hurt me over the years...and sometimes it is well worth the risk
And sometimes it is thrown back in my face and I get mocked...again, oh well that is the way the world works.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)isn't that noble by any means. If that post earned a banning, and it was for the reasons stated, then we should be able to count on many, many more because some of the posts I've seen get a pass around here make me wonder sometimes.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)if it isn't deliberate. A clever way to make women like like delicate flowers who reach for the smelling salts at even a PERCEIVED 'insult'.
What an insult to women it is, to think that a woman running for POTUS might be offended by a phrase like that. I am not a Hillary supporter in this race, but I have met her and she is no shrinking violet. This whole episode paints HER as a 'poor victim' the exact opposite of what women like Hillary actually are.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Eleanors38
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edgineered
(2,101 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)
markpkessinger
(8,909 posts)
Beacool
(30,517 posts)I was away on vacation for two weeks. I know that he's a Sanders supporter, but what happened to cause the banning?
uppityperson
(116,020 posts)Called Hillary Clinton the c-word. Thought he was being clever about it. He was not.
If you look at his profile, transparency page, the is there, hidden.
Beacool
(30,517 posts)I like NYC_SKP, even if we don't agree about our candidates of choice. I'm sorry to see him banned, but being cutesy and calling Hillary the "C" word in a convoluted way is not right. That and the "N" word are two terms that I find utterly despicable and do not form part of my vocabulary. Although, I hope that he's given the opportunity to repent and be allowed back into the fold at some point in time.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)and he should have been given a time out at most. The ban seems a bit excessive to me. If it happened multiple times, that would be a different story.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Posts hidden by Jury: 1
Total posts: 3358
Percentage of posts hidden: 0.03%
StevieM
(10,578 posts)primary season.
I suggested elsewhere that perhaps the best resolution might be for him to apologize, serve a suspension and then be allowed back.
Good to see you, Bea!! How was your vacation?
Beacool
(30,517 posts)I had a nice time. I went to Miami.
Hugs.......
iandhr
(6,852 posts)Beacool
(30,517 posts)
Thanks
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(156,619 posts)And then they've blown any chance they might have had for returning.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts) polly7
(20,582 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)And I hope instead that he reach out to admin to try to be reinstated after a time out.
I think his overall time here has been beneficial and I will miss him greatly.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And it would be one more reason for the admins to not re-instate the original account.
TBF
(36,665 posts)the may have software that would auto-ban the same ISP. I can't remember those details. I do think if he came back under another name and didn't say anything too controversial it would likely slip by.
There was something about this when I was on MIRT the very first session (that's been a few years now since DU 3 went live). I don't think they necessarily ban someone just for coming back - they take their chances or something like that was the answer. Maybe someone from that first session will remember.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)since he has been a Bernie supporter. Prior to that, I think we may have had many differences.
It sucks when long time posters get canned.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)This was a ridiculous ban.
There are so many snide, passive-aggressive bullshit artists around here who are allowed to continue befouling this place who never face any consequences for their shit include alert-stalking and flat out lying about what they have said in prior posts even when you copypasta it right back at them. And we ALL know who they are. I have little doubt that it was one of them who alerted on SKP's post.
Fuck the hypersensitive language police who miss no opportunity to blather their faux outrage.
wundermaus
(1,673 posts)And it was a great political discussion forum based on the Al Gore campaign members...
When that fine discussion forum finally disintegrated from toxic trolls infection several years later, I came to this discussion forum and was appalled by the profanity and vulgarity of the members here. I was bullied and demeaned enough of the time that I went into stealth mode and mostly just lurked for the last several years. One of the very few positive encounters I had in this forum was with NYC_SKP. And although i tend to remember negative experiences, I made it a point to remember the kind and helpful posts and replies in our cyber conversations here. It bewilders me with all the profanity so common place in this forum that NYC_SKP would be banned for using a creative play on words. Civility is becoming a lost art... fewer and fewer of us are confident enough to be kind. And that makes me sad... and want to disconnect... and take the red pill.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)
Marie Marie
(11,306 posts)Hope this is not a life sentence and look forward to your return. Who among us would want to be permanently judged by a single lapse of reason.
Mira
(22,685 posts)When a person gets banned from DU can they come back?
(I've always tried to not get into trouble, but I've made a few mistakes. And they have at times been fun, so I'm thinking of making a few more.....)
I also miss NYC_SKIP
CaliforniaPeggy
(156,619 posts)It took several months, and an apology, and then he returned, post count and name intact.
The same thing happened to MiddleFingerMom.
Most likely they will allow him to return, after all the fuss dies down and some time has elapsed.
Mira
(22,685 posts)happening
Just forgot that it was similar....
Thank you, my dear Peggy!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's an interesting discussion, no matter one's position on the matter:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026781416
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Dammit.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)While this one, and several others, remain open. Was it more meta than this is?
It seems clear to me that personal biases are playing a HUGE part in Host's decisions, as of course they do in jury results. I suspect they may play a part in other aspects as well.
AngryOldDem
(14,180 posts)I don't post here often enough that I would feel comfortable pointing out those who somehow were the exceptions to the banhammer rule, but they came to mind when I saw the post about Skip.
Banning a member should be a policy that should be applied as consistently as possible, especially when it concerns longtime DUers. Not excusing Skip in the least -- but surely there are other penalties to try before absolutely, positively kicking him off?
(And what is the point of having any kind of ban if eventually people come back? Make it a timeout, suspension, or something -- but don't call it a ban. "Banning" implies permanency. All the more reason to take a step back and really consider if it's the right decision before it's done.)
I'll go back to my corner now.
JanMichael
(25,725 posts)DU asked her to apologize and she said NO. Those mods she called out were I believe ALL tombstoned soon after her calling them out. I am trying to find the thread on the old DU but not having any luck though.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=102705
People only get unbanned or untombstoned if they cave and kiss buttocks.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)In my short time here, he was one of the people who helped make DU very fun.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)K&R
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And K&R...
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polly7
(20,582 posts)He was one of the posters I looked for every time I logged in. So intelligent and willing to share.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I worked with him as a Host, I'll miss him
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Not even a slap on the wrist.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)But for the most part, yeah, free and clear. It was highly vexing.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Considering some of the things he's actually said.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)insulting language should expect strong reactions. That means that when he types insulting language he expects strong reaction or it means he's a raving hypocrite.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,685 posts)He is exposing his own beliefs that the shooters were also victims. It may not be a popular opinion. Not an avenue that is easy to walk down. But he is willing to open his mind to the fact that the shooters in each case must be screwed up in the heads for one reason or another themselves. That they themselves probably did not have happy lives etc... Its not that he wanted to elevate them to the same "victimization" but only something to consider.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Did you enjoy that shit too?
LiberalLovinLug
(14,685 posts)First off, who said anything about "enjoy" 
Secondly, I saw no reference to saying the "cartoonists were responsible for the bystanders", from that post, whatever that means. Do you mean NYC-SKIP believed the cartoonists should have thought about innocent bystanders when they published those cartoons? That they somehow should have predicted it happening exactly how it did and shut down the magazine in advance in case a shooting occurred and an "innocent bystander" was killed some time in the future? Even if he said that, which I didn't see, it seems to go against your premise that he bestows on the shooters too much empathy. I don't understand what point you are attempting to make. Next time quote an actual statement he made.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)He held the cartoonists responsible for the dead officer and other bystanders. It was an argument that spanned across many threads over the course of a month. Sorry I can't track down every example on my phone, but it's right there in the thread I linked too.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)horrible things.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,685 posts)And I would mostly agree with you on that, and the line that encapsulates your argument:
They were meant to be offensive, to be sure. I'd use the word 'defiant', where you say 'hateful'.
I too support he right of cartoonists their freedom of expression, even if it offends. We cannot be so cowed in society that even political cartoonists are holding their pens in fear.
But....
From what I saw NYC-SKIP was only putting out the opinion, quite politely, that the publishers should have known these cartoons would infuriate a segment of society and people may get hurt. I cannot disagree with that either. He never did call for them to voluntarily shut the publication down, he only raised a difficult point. Although using the word "hateful" is a strong word and a loaded word, and I would disagree with him for using that. Because that word implies something personal. Many people, including myself, and I'd assume yourself, HATE the effect religion has on people, and especially people with a propensity to extremism. Seems like NYC likes to play the devil's advocate from time to time in here, and sometimes pushes things close to the line. I don't see anything wrong with that.
He went over the line in this instance, and should pay for a somewhat juvenile knee-jerk post. I'd just say a complete banning was too harsh.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)He did self delete some of the posts when the hides started rolling in, and people started emailing him the failed jury results.
Some of it was in the same read between the lines style as what he did to Hillary that started this broughaha
LiberalLovinLug
(14,685 posts)To say I don't agree with the word hate.
I also don't agree with them being racists.
But...still I don't want to ban people that push the envelope with language.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)But by all means, it's a metric he should be aware of, for his legacy,
JEB
(4,748 posts)Couldn't always agree but usually did. Always found his posts to be worth reading either way. I'll miss his voice and hope he gets to come back soon.
Miles Archer
(23,257 posts)Something happened to me on DU a little less than a month ago, I didn't think it was fair, I voiced that in "Ask The Admins," and went away for about a month. This was because I felt that what happened was so unfair that I was a hair's width away from pulling a Walt Starr. And then I thought "why bother?"
There have been people who have been banned on DU, and I felt it was a good thing. They had their supporters, sure. I, on the other hand, was glad to see them gone. One in particular.
I was on my sabbatical when the NYC_SKIP shit hit the fan. I enjoyed his posts, I enjoyed the times he interacted with things I'd posted.
As I posted elsewhere today, I remember when MFM got banned. He was allowed back in. If you look at the total picture of NYC_SKIP's participation on DU, as much as we may hate the word he used and the context that he used it in, it was a misstep. He fucked up. Give him the chance to SAY that, put it BEHIND us, and let him the fuck back in.
That's my two cents worth.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)The most thoughtful person on DU.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Then, not only would have not gotten banned, he might have been given some extra star or something.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)NYC_SKP, and you once explained to that your name is that you got out of New York, thus "escaping it".
You are creative and endearing.
LexVegas
(6,959 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)It was bad, but I don't think one bad post is the sum total of their contribution to the community.
We have people on here that make posts that make you cringe.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)there are an awful lot of people that are getting too worked up over the primary*.
*I know just being Captain Obvious before I state my point of view.
I completely understand that if I called someone Nucking Futs it's the same as just saying fucking nuts. Is it worthy of a ban, because I call Ted Cruz that shit every time Cruz opens his piehole and gives me reason to speak out against him?
I criticize President Obama on occasion, I'm neither a recalcitrant voter or a spoiled brat wanting a unicorn pony. I'm just concrete and consistent with my political views.
2banon
(7,321 posts)
Aerows
(39,961 posts)being run off.
2banon
(7,321 posts)disgusting really. sad and disgusting.
murielm99
(32,988 posts)that it happens during every primary season. Some of them decide it is not worth the apology and the angst. They never come back. We have lost some valuable people because of it.
I come here to ask questions and to learn. DU has been a valuable source for that.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)If he isn't looking himself, he's being told about it.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Iggo
(49,927 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,685 posts)I don't think NYC_SKIP would ever use the actual c word in here. Sure it was implied ...rather clumsily. I'm sure he's kicking himself for attempting the crude joke. But banning should be reserved for the actual literal use of the word..in anger at someone else.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,830 posts)He was always a nice person to me. I hope the Admins reconsider banning such a stalwart.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)offended that they would read something into a remark made about a female candidate for public office, to try to find some way of portraying her as a victim, in need of protection from even the possibility of a possible 'slight' from someone on the internet.
IF a female candidate is THAT easily thrown for a loop, and needs protection from 'perceived' slights, then imo, that candidate doesn't have what it takes to be a leader.
If anything the banning of NYC_SKP is an insult to women. But that's just my female opinion.
peace13
(11,076 posts)All of this posturing reminds me of when I try to talk with my family. The weird thing is that they are right wing!
It reminds me of a time when I was playground monitor with a friend. She had two little girls who fought all of the time so this woman was all but a professional arbitrator. This little girl came up to us and said, ' Mrs. Smith, that boy called me stupid!' Mrs. Smith stood her ground and looked down and asked,'Well are you?' That child shook her head no and trotted off as happy as could be! I was dumbfounded at the brilliance. I am certain that any woman candidate for POTU will have broad, strong shoulders and she will realize that before this thing is said and done she will in fact, have been a little bit of everything.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)they have to spend their time on stuff like this.
sad.
and it won't win elections.
pacalo
(24,857 posts)
marym625
(17,997 posts)
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I liked him...and I'm really disgusted with the way this situation was handled as well as what feels like gloating by those that didn't like him or his support of a different candidate.
Guess I won't be criticizing "her" for fear of retribution...pass the duct tape please.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)dropping the c-bomb, then yes you should not criticize.
Otherwise, no reason you can't criticize.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)but what in the hell happened to NYC_SKIP? Just a link will suffice. I'm gathering the language police showed up and black bagged 'em after he made a rude comment about Hill. Am I wrong?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Some of the posts were unfortunate, though.
Nice idea, WillyT
malaise
(296,076 posts) Enthusiast
(50,983 posts) Divernan
(15,480 posts)I was disappointed the admins came out in strong support of HRC (or any candidate) BEFORE the primary, because I believe in primaries. BUT, hey, it's their blog and they can endorse whomever, whenever. However, the severity and swiftness of the banning did shock me and strike me as precipitate and disproportionate. Why the severity? A pro-HRC DUer who had been suspended following 5 hidden posts in 90 days was reinstated early because of her husband's death - not on a one issue basis dealing with her loss( which I would have considered fair and humanitarian), but on a all-is-forgotten/forgiven-welcome back, w/ no posting limitations.
Now we (& the admins) know NYC-Skip has had several brain surgeries. I think any reasonable person would consider this may have effected his judgement on using a play on words. A hide of the offensive post would have been an appropriate warning, in my opinion.
It appears that the disproportionate harshness of the response (referenced by many in this thread) was triggered by the persuasiveness and strength of NYC-skip's support of Bernie Sanders.
So where IS DU headed? If HRC loses the primary? If she wins the primary & loses the general election? In either of those scenarios, if the owners want DU to remain viable, they will need the participation of the many of us who have supported more progressive candidates and policies. If she wins both the primary and the general elections and is president, will DU allow any critical discussion and debate of her actions in office? Will the site be limited to trashing the GOP and lauding HRC? Most members of DU are passionate about politics. We are passionate about our individual and differing political values and goals. The debate and discussion on the differences between progressives, moderates, Third Wayers, etc., is what has drawn me to DU. If that is no longer allowed, how many will remain?
I've put in bit of time composing this post, and only hope that when I hit the "Post my reply!" button that I will not be informed this thread has been locked.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Ann Romney or Sarah Palin the c*-word (or using a play on words to insinuate such)?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)A host locked the thread. But if you paste the following into google:
site: democraticunderground.com "cunning stunt"
...you'll see that a post using the phrase on Palin was not locked.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)So hypocritical: one pro HRC woman poster ridiculed me (also female) as a pearl clutcher for expressing concern over links between HRC's state department arms contracts and MIC companies "donating" to the Clinton Family Foundation.
The obvious inference is that it's hysterical women who clutch their pearls - that was the point of the insult. Fortunately, I'm a female who has scuba dived with sharks & into sunken Japanese ships from WWII in Truk Lagoon, climbed Mayan pyramids in Central America, and argued motions to hard-nosed federal judges, so I did not even bother to alert on her. But you know I do have 5 or 6 lovely strands of pearls I've inherited from my Mom and Grandmother - both of whom were lifelong, outspoken Democrats (the old-fashioned kind, who supported unions, not corporations), so I guess I was remiss in not alerting on a poster for hurling sexist insults at me and the other women in my family. I mean what she was really saying was that women who wear pearls are hysterics. What a nerve!
Quick! Someone get me my smelling salts!
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)it was probably not alerted on, since there probably aren't any Palin supporters here. I'm sure the SKP post was alerted on by many of the HRC supporters. And possibly admins were alerted on it.
Just to be fair.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)It was about politics. If someone was truly offended by misogynistic behavior, they would have alerted on the phrase if it were used about Eva Braun, Lucretia Borgia or Lizzie Borden!
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:02 AM - Edit history (1)
I still think this is more because of the alerts, so it's the alerters who set this up...it's not because the admins were out looking to ban Bernie supporters.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)object to the use of the c*-word for any woman, no matter how odious her views or obnoxious her personality. Still, it's a fair point.
One would hate to think, though, that the objection to the use of the c*-word is strictly a matter of whose ox is being gored.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)i can tell you spent a lot of time on it -- it's a lot to think about.
you're spot-on about the implications given early endorsements, and any number of outcomes. should be interesting to watch.
what's particularly interesting...would an HRC supporter be banned so quickly for a tone complaint on a spoonerism? i doubt it.
2banon
(7,321 posts)at this point. I'd say, that level of reactionary response speaks to something quite disturbing.
I suggest us Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren supporters had better come to terms with the fact that this forum is solely a THIRD WAY support operation. In other words: Love it or Leave it.
(Reminiscent of the John Bircher society mantra during the 60's aimed at anti-war protesters: "America! Love it or Leave it"
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)And I am very happy that women on this site will have one less sexist alpha male to deal with.
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nenagh
(1,925 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)H2O Man
(79,046 posts)In solidarity.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)
Octafish
(55,745 posts)As for those working to silence you -- they may think they won, but they don't know squat about you or history or what matters.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)I think a person's whole body of work should be considered in the banning of a DU'er who has been around as long as NYC_SKIP. If that had been the case, then NYC_SKIP would still be here today.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)Funny thing is that I won't miss the people who want you thrown out...Some people just stand guard to make sure nothing negative is said about front-runner, and also to make sure that nothing positive is said about the other candidates. Then attack or alert. Other than that, they've made no contributions that I've benefited from.
All the front-runners supporters are not against you, and it makes me feel good about them....
Hope you come back (hint, skinner, earl, et al)
samsingh
(18,426 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)I hope he will be back soon. Happy Healing I wish him 
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)"Dear NYC_SKIP, Don't Know If You're Seeing This... Or Whether You Give A Shit Anymore, But..."
SKIP or SKP, pretty much the same.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts) AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)It's not easy given his posting history.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)I appreciated your wit and creativity.
Always read your posts.
I will miss you.
DU will miss your contributions.
that's too bad. I echo your sentiments..
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)
TexasProgresive
(12,730 posts)a history of being a good and informative member of the community?
2banon
(7,321 posts)
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)I always knew it would be insightful and well written. I trusted that what he was passionate enough about to post on was something I would want to read. Whether I agreed with him or not.
2banon
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