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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie Sanders continuing to not not address the needs
of people of color:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017270096
When will he learn?
one_voice
(20,043 posts)eta: Just a thought; imagine how much more positive this thread could/would be if you'd just post that video with a description of what Bernie is addressing instead of picking at an old scab.
Unless you're looking for a certain reaction....
MoonRiver
(36,975 posts)actually like Bernie! We're not the haters here.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)That get personal. I've been called "fringe left", "not a true Democrat" and my favorite, "leftist extemist" by several Hillary supporters.
I have seen a few Bernie supporters go after Hillary supporters, but it's few and far between.
With the rash of recent alerts and thread hides, along with one very public banning, coupled with the fact that the owner is openly supporting a candidate - it's obvious who is and is not welcome here.
MoonRiver
(36,975 posts)Every Hillary supporter I know of here has been very supportive of Bernie.
Edit: The Hillary haters are absolutely rampant here. You must be in complete denial if you cannot see that.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)MoonRiver
(36,975 posts)Really don't even know who the poster was referring to.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)For criticizing Hillary.
http://betterment.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6689044
daleanime
(17,796 posts)it never happened.
Don't worry, we still love you.
MoonRiver
(36,975 posts)JonLP24
(29,929 posts)as I've seen the behavior myself. I see the behavior all the time from all sides of any supporters. I remember Clinton supporters from '08 leaving the board due to behavior of Obama supporters and I'm sure it was vice versa. There a threads bashing Sanders as not good enough on racial issues from Hillary Clinton supporters hence the OP.
Zamen
(116 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It's just that Hillary supporters don't recognize the anti-Bernie posts for what they are.
The Bernie can't win posts.
The Bernie "wrote about rape fantasies" posts. (He wrote about a the confusion in the reactions of both women and men to women's liberation in the 1970s and how the submissive role of women was changing.)
There are lots of similar posts. It's just natural that many Hillary supporters see them as telling the truth and don't realize that they are just unwarranted attacks on Bernie.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)I must have all the right Bernie supporters on ignore because I've never seen a hater.
JonLP24
(29,929 posts)though more of not a fan of all on Hillary Clinton, especially when it comes to foreign policy & the usual corruption plaguing the US political system but with her I'd expect an increase in weapons sales.
MoonRiver
(36,975 posts)I find it ridiculous when people pretend it isn't happening.
JonLP24
(29,929 posts)but I try and am pretty certain I stick to issues or facts (which is why I'm not a big fan) but don't go too far above that but I imagine others do.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)JonLP24
(29,929 posts)What I mean is the context with the word hater is usually applied to people with a lot of criticisms or oppose. It is hard to explain but not simply because I have room for hate but more has to do with my massive amount of empathy I have for others around the world and a lot of the decisions or foreign relations, especially with weapons sales, double standards in terms of who we (especially her) support or oppose is more than an abstract to me where I'm just mostly very depressed with occasional anger but pretty much depressed. Sanders is I see the light at the end of the tunnel. but with Clinton would be a doubling down of our usual foreign policy
On edit -- it isn't personal when it comes Clinton or any politician really.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)and their actions and their desire to go to war for absolutely no reason caused a lot of death and destruction. I see Sanders as a light at the end of the tunnel also. America needs him.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)She is not and never has been genuine. She goes with the money and the big donors.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And I thank you for that- but let's get real.
There are haters on both sides. And this OP is intended to create a few more- that is pretty obvious.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)that doesn't make them supporters of that candidate it becomes obvious when the stir shit in a group. I like the OP, there were a few posters that were saying Bernie wasn't addressing the issues that many people find important. The link in Manny's OP shows that Bernie has. And he will continue to do so.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Going to take people's word if they are a supporter of any of the four candidates or undecided or whatever.
Going to keep the accusations of trolldom to myself too- despite several Sanders supporters enthusiastically tossing that around to describe women and POC here in GD. It's nasty and paranoid, and sad to see here.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)Or put them on ignore.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Because that makes that group - and DU suck.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)Well once I didn't realize I was in a protected group when it popped up in the latest and the now banned troll PretzelWarrior pounced and I responded. It was a swift block
I wear that block with a great deal of pride. There are a couple of posters that I don't like.
So I stay out of their threads.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I wish more of his 'supporters' were like him. I use a mini scare quote because I think some people--for whatever reason--do a really poor job of actually 'supporting' the guy. He deserves better.
He and Hillary have been friends for almost a quarter century. They LIKE each other. They also know how to discuss differences without being mean or vicious. They know who the real opponents are. They're definitely the smartest people in the room.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I can count them on one hand without using all of my fingers.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)he just pulls things up and posts them in no context at all
JonLP24
(29,929 posts)The sheshe thread and the one that bashes Bernie for the crowd of white faces in Vermont and accusing him of not talking about racial issues with an edited correction but still slamming him as not good enough.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)This is why we can't have nice things.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)The shtick from day one has been to divide under the pretext of support.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)I just think Bernie is a bigger win and for more of us.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Lee will consider the VP slot btw, Bernie is working AGAIN with her (on handing over the TPP petitions by millions of Americans) as he has in the past.
I've tweeted her to ask if she is interested. Lol!
Zorra
(27,670 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)When nothing is free! Minority voters only need personality figures not issues for god sakes!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)We are to be satisfied with the illusion not the reality.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)two negatives make a positive. Might want to edit your OP.
Just sayin'.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)hootinholler
(26,451 posts)Evolve on that issue.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)unemployment for young males, addressing it and other circumstances affecting POC...I don't get it. I'm a woman and he didn't talk about abortion or contraception...what about the poor Hispanics...he didn't mention them...nit pickin' is my response.
hootinholler
(26,451 posts)Did we watch the same video? The one I saw Bernie discussed how youth unemployment leads to a high prison population and how that relates to POC. He quoted the unemployment rates among POC.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Edit...This was a complete POC appearance. The end. it was not about any other minority...that was my point. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding somewhere.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)<honk>
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Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)If I were his campaign manager this is exactly what I would be advising him to do. It's all very well to want to be the 44th white male to hold the office of President, but he will need more than rapturous LL Bean-wearers to achieve this.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Bernie's policies would be of benefit to working class families of all ethnic groups, particularly people of color.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)It's a great way to save money - there's a no questions asked replacement policy. Return a shirt, shoes, pants, whatever that are torn, holey, or otherwise beaten to crap, and get a brand new replacement. You can buy cheap foreign made crap over and over and over, or you can buy LL Bean once, and replace it when it does eventually wear out without buying it again.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Sad but true.
Autumn
(48,962 posts)in advising Bernie.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)to march with and attend Martin Luther King Jrs I have a dream speech.
and he's fought alongside Black's for equal rights since day one where he organized sit ins.
http://www.pdafund.com/component/k2/item/70-25-things-you-may-not-know-about-bernie-sanders
come on people let's not just call ignorance and trolling out, we gotta fight it with facts.
#feelthebern
sorry op. be enlightened!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)JonLP24
(29,929 posts)Clearly the best candidate of the two parties on those policies but the OP is more directly addressing a couple threads from Hillary Clinton supporters criticizing Bernie Sanders as not good enough as if Hillary Clinton's stances are without question even though she & her husband made controversial statements in '08 (the biggest one was "it took a President to get it done" referring to MLK)
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)my reality and some of these "inquiring minds want to know" kind of posts.
CaliforniaPeggy
(156,619 posts)I was Juror #7:
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Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Wow
JonLP24
(29,929 posts)though I never alert -- I did once but it was already alerted on.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)in itself is a sensitive subject for everyone.
but the op left a post and without explanation just called out Bernie as being someone who hasn't done anything for people of color. it's similar to baiting. basically just "I'll just leave this here and watch people go nuts over it"
I felt my reply of facts and information was better than just calling the op ridiculous. and I encourage others to spread these facts rather than just insult each other.
this is a forum for action and political truths. we are here to benefit our party together. fighting amongst ourselves and smearing one another is exactly what Bernie and myself are against.
also lol at stereotyping me for being new. sometimes new members join this site and have the expectation that it's for discussing things amongst like minded people! thanks for sharing this with me Peggy.
840high
(17,196 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)Explanation: Dear alerter: please stop alerting. YOU make DU suck. Put on your big girl panties and realize that not everyone gets moist at the idea of St. Clinton, the Anointed One. Learn to deal with the fact that people will often disagree with you. That, in and of itself, does not warrant a hide. For the sake of all future juries in the next 24 hours, I hope this is kept 0-7 so that you have to sit out these terrible moments for an entire day.
Please explain it to me like I'm a six year old how you find the misogynistic imagery that equates support for a woman candidate with a woman lubricating for sex laudable?
Thank you in advance.
P.S. I would have voted to leave it alone too, albeit not for misogynistic reasons.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Double negative, speech addressing PoC.
I'm too dry sometimes, sorry!
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)it is difficult to detect sarcasm through written text.
but I won't report you for it you know?
dry humor is fun too, again, no worries!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)ucrdem
(15,720 posts)Meanwhile President Obama continues to create hundreds of thousands of real jobs, not summer jobs, every month:

from: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/percent-664848-year-jobs.html
Obama is also trying to get the US to ratify the TPP which will create even more thousands of new export production jobs and Bernie is campaigning against it. So where does that put Bernie re actually creating jobs? Below the flatline basically.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The only people Obama has backing him on TPP are the republicans and a small group of blue dogs-types.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)that in no way, shape or form contain Democratic (Party) or democratic (political) principles. A very sad situation...either way.
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Congressional democrats are lined up against the president on this one.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/harry-reid-barack-obama-trade-deals-102819.html
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/12/senate-democrats-tpp-fast-track-harry-reid-currency-manipulation
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/09/business/nike-to-create-jobs-if-trans-pacific-partnership-is-approved.html
Labor unions are against it:
http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Trans-Pacific-Partnership-Free-Trade-Agreement-TPP
http://www.cwa-union.org/issues/entry/c/trans-pacific_free_trade_agreement#.VXNOFc9VhBc
http://www.seiu.org/a/wuretirees/take-action.php
http://teamster.org/magazine/2013/summer/stop-tpp
Human Rights Watch is against it:
http://www.hrw.org/de/node/134928
As is Amnesty:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/press-releases/2012/09/tpp-must-not-trade-away-free-speech-and-health/
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm talking about opposition by congressional Dems and groups aligned with our interests.
By the way, nice late edit on your earlier reply.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I'm still waiting for my new , High Paying, NAFTA job.
Can you give us an idea when those jobs will start coming in.
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)Canada and Mexico are included in the TPP signatories and that was NAFTA:
Incidentally China has recently signaled a willingness to join TPP, per the Chinese press.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I was included in the devastation.
No more trade deals, especially secret trade deals.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)It's funny to see people act concerned about racial justice at the same time sit and defend the morally bankrupt trade and economic policies that have destroyed black communities in places like Detroit and Baltimore.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)But the fraudster banks were well taken care of. We watched it.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)The industry and government just abandoned the cities. I heard packs of wild dogs roam Detroit. Factories and mills have been rusting away in front of our faces for decades. I think people who defend these kinds of economic policies maybe never had to live through the consequences. Lives are destroyed. They don't get it. They haven't lived it.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)We can't pretend Gramm-Leach-Bliley had a positive effect. Democrats cannot embrace supply side and claim there is just nothing they can do.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Twice shy.
The fact that they are doing all this in secrecy inspires no confidence.
We certainly don't need to "fast-track" anymore American Jobs out of the country.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Or did you mean EXPORTING JOBS?
Yeah, it's got that in spades.
valerief
(53,235 posts)population numbers and incarcerated population numbers.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)This is one sick nation.
valerief
(53,235 posts)And the race disparity enhances racism ("those black people must be bad, because they're all in prison"
, which only benefits the fascists.
And all those fewer progressive voters are taken off the market.
And, of course, the private prison industry makes out like bandits.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)edgineered
(2,101 posts)His not not addressing that issue is yet another reason DU the Third will silence him
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)But I'm sure someone will remind me again how these kids jobs will help em pay for lawyers. Because money solves everything, yup.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I think most Democrats would disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)But I'm not sure you realize that women and POC suffer from a serious backlash with every step forward they take. Money doesn't solve everything, unless you're already on very firm footing.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Or please cut this straw-person stuff out.
Thanks.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Or the one advising us that when "all boats are lifted" POC can then better afford lawyers- problem solved!
There's much much more. Gosh you've missed a lot patronizing bullshit, eh?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I suspect that you're mischarecterizing them, but perhaps I'm wrong.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Lacking access to reproductive services
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6753418
Because some women CAN afford plane tickets.
What dismissive clap trap.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Zip.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And that is complete crap. But you knew that.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)but poor women don't.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)If you think anyone can sell this line of bullshit to women, you're seriously mistaken.
Can't use search for suggestion POC will easily be able to "lawyer up" but from the above, I can see you'll not admit how seriously fucked up these suggestions are.
Alienating women and POC is SOP for some here.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)then I'm condoning an attacker, per your logic.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Speak plainly, because you're always claiming to be misunderstood and we wouldn't want that to happen.
What would teaching me anything mean- if you ignore the attacker? The attacker is my govt- and you're working on "bettering" the government but ignoring the attacker.- how do you think your helping with this self defense thing
So what exactly are you teaching me? How to spend my money to avoid attack?
Not shocked you won't actually speak to this issue in clear terms. You can't pretend to be misunderstood again if you do that.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)There is no defend offered, there is no blame for any attack.
Not applicable in any way shape or form.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)...that's the ticket!
Works every time but ever, can't beat that except by actually doing something.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Perhaps that's the difference between us?
Not a one issue voter, but I have wider priorities than "the oligarchy".
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)On Sat Jun 6, 2015, 07:30 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Bernie Sanders continuing to not not address the needs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026790011
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Will something ever be done about this race baiting, sexist troll here?
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LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)People are playing this jury system like a lottery. Every single thread now gets multiple alerts on posts that clearly don't violate forum rules.
Skinner, your system is being used like a lottery where the players don't have to pay for tickets. Over half the alerts are about disagreeing over opinions and personal vendettas.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I'm getting a little tired of getting called those names. Seems like calling me anything is fine these days.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)to know if there was an option to alert on the alert. I'll look more carefully next time.
As long as alerts are anonymous, though, you'll probably keep getting alerted on for everything and anything, and called whatever vile name folks feel like calling you. Perhaps, though, they could take a half step forward, and make it so that alerts that fail 7-0 are made public, so we can see just who is making the most outrageous alerts out there. Wouldn't have helped in this case, but it would be a tiny, incremental step forward.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I think it has an option to alert on that message.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Never noticed that before.
I sent this message to the admins:
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Violet_Crumble
(36,385 posts)The jury system isn't supposed to be abused by those who think they can say nasty shit to other DUers that they wouldn't post because they know a post would be hidden.
I'm sick of seeing a small group at DU accuse anyone who doesn't agree with them of being racist and sexist.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I'm getting awfully tired of Alert Bingo and the awful @#$% they claim on those alerts.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Send that off to Joan Walsh; care of the Clinton campaign, so she'll be sure to get it!
lol
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/01/white_progressives_racial_myopia_why_their_colorblindness_fails_minorities_and_the_left/
Wow, did that argument get a lot of rebuttals, just like here at DU.
cal04
(41,505 posts)Very happy that Sen. Sanders and Rep. Conyers are working together and because of your post, others are now seeing it too
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)every citizen in his talks that means that he may not
include everyone to some people. Obviously those,
who don't feel included or having the finger pointed at
them feel neglected.
As an old girl, however, I don't, but then I am a
progressive, and think that "every citizen" means
just that.