Caitlyn Jenner and the Duggers have something significant in common

[cali]

They're both big, glossy, reality show distractions. And boy, are they effective.

[malaise]

1. Again we agree

although I never saw more than ten minutes in total of those sick Fuggars.

[mainstreetonce]

2. So true

Duggars,Jenner,Kardashians,Honey BooBoo,bachelors,Bachelorettes,Palins

Fake TV nonsense ,especially those who exploit their children for bucks.

[undeterred]

3. Republican media whores.

Throw in Sarah Palin.

[Arugula Latte]

4. Throw her in what? I'll do it.

[hifiguy]

6. Pigpen?

Swine manure lagoon?
Mud-wrestling pit?
Big bag of moose shit?

The possibilities are endless.

[Arugula Latte]

7. Let's not forget the meat grinder scenario in "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair ...

[hifiguy]

11. That reminded me of this deathless moment

[CaliforniaPeggy]

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Republican media whores.
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While I understand that people have negative opinions of these people, calling a woman - ANY WOMAN- a wh*** is totally inappropriate no matter the circumstances.

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[snooper2]

41. Are terms like "corporate whore" and "media whore" offensive?

I guess that will never be settled for some LOL



From 2007

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1972682

Poll result (70 votes)
Yes, these terms are offensive. (14 votes, 20%) Vote
No, these terms are not offensive. (52 votes, 74%) Vote
Other (please share) (4 votes, 6%) Vote

[hifiguy]

5. Blammo.

Exactly.

[CrawlingChaos]

8. oh god do I ever agree

[olddots]

9. did this all start with The Real World ?

can we have the real world back someday ?

[Liberal_in_LA]

16. real world is still around.New group of young people filmed in New city each year

It has changed though.. it is more about getting them drunk and into hot tubs. Filming their fights. It is on mtv

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_World

[Sheepshank]

10. These republicans are Different in one very important wat

Both media whores have produced very vocal responses from other Republicans

One man a danger to all minor girls is upheld as an icon...a life that is held as the standard for all.

The other vilified and degraded.....his choices affecting only himself.

[cali]

13. oh come on. both have been celebrated and vilified but Jenner has

been celebrated far more than vilified and the Duggers, rightfully, have been far more vilified than celebrated. Just who is getting a major award for courage? Who has a new reality show? Who had their show cancelled. And all you have to do is google their respective names.

[cwydro]

37. Point. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

12. For what it's worth, Straight American culture had the opportunity to come to terms with

transgender persons of much more gravitas and much less ballyhoo many times over in the past. The larger culture failed to do so, so now that conversation is happening starring Caitlyn. The conversation is in fact a prerequisite for graduation, and it might have been best to talk about Wendy Carlos or Lana Wachowski or Dr Marci Bowers or Chaz Bono or even Alexis Arqutte, but no. Straight America could not get into it prior to Jenner. Whose fault is that exactly?

[pansypoo53219]

14. i a, trying to avoid realitee BS. jenner+kardashian. NO WANT!

[awoke_in_2003]

15. Ms. Jennings

was caught up in the mess that is the Kardashians. But she has divorced the hot mess that is Kris, and maybe her fame came be of some good to someone in the future.

[NuclearDem]

17. I guess some people aren't able to distinguish between

Jenner's transition and the Kardashian clan.

Here I thought we would be able to talk about Jenner, one of the most public transgender individuals in the world, in the context of trans* rights and acceptance, without invoking the Kardashians every fucking time, even with the divorce and the knowledge that Jenner had been considering transitioning well before she ever met that family making them irrelevant as far as the transition is concerned to all except the usual suspects looking for an excuse.

I would also hope we'd be able to discuss her without drawing any comparison whatsoever to a family that enabled a child molestor and pushed a blatantly misogynist worldview through their show.

I even thought that all of this nonsense makes this discussion about trans* rights all the more important.

But, hey, I guess that's all asking too fucking much.

[cali]

18. sorry, it's first and foremost a commercial enterprise

Caitlyn's new reality show, etc

[Fumesucker]

19. Crass money grubbing materialism is a *celebration* to some people, hell a lot of people

It's like "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" goes transgender.

I have a family member who watches a lot of the trash TV and I get involuntarily exposed to it from time to time, all I can say is it's surprising our culture isn't an even bigger mess.

[LostOne4Ever]

27. So Ms. Jenner underwent irreversible HRT and multiple surgeries just to start a new reality show?

[cali]

30. nope didn't say that. but she is undeniably going to benefit financially

in a major way, and she's verdict a commodity now. We're talking hundreds of millions, if not more. Sorry, but I believe the crass commercialism so deeply woven into our society, is not a good thing.

[NuclearDem]

28. Thanks for making my point.

[LostOne4Ever]

26. +infinity (nt)

[Exilednight]

20. Not to mention that they're both Republicans.

[Blue_Adept]

21. by all means, let's ignore all the positive that comes from the Jenner situation

And the issue you have is more a media issue than a Jenner issue. Yes, the show is one thing, but the roll out of the information about everything else has been milked by the media itself.

But the result of it all is fantastic for people who have been suffering hugely, quietly, for years. A good chunk of that curtain has been pulled away and there's a lot more people that are a lot more understanding now that they've seen it laid out so simply and clearly.

As much as I'm bored by the constantness of it in the infotainment news programs, it's done a hell of a lot of good.

I can't say that about the Duggar stuff.

[cali]

22. we have yet to see whether any good will come from it.

[Blue_Adept]

23. Then you're not paying attention

It's just like when the conversation really began to change in the early 2000's with more gay people on TV. It changes the dynamic, it gets people talking, and it begins to push back in a strong way against bigotry and other issues, allowing more people to talk about it and who they really are.

I've seen countless discussions about it throughout social media, particularly with millennials in shock at the way their parents are about it, and that they're pushing back against them to get them to understand it.

Plenty of good will come from it and has for many people. Just the sheer amount of "media acceptance" on the infotainment side has been a huge boon.

[cali]

24. I grant you that I don't pay much attention to social media

I hope you're right. We'll see.

[MH1]

25. Good is coming from it. The conversation has started about the humanity

of a group of people who have been mostly ignored.

The conversation seems to be going in a good direction for the transgender community.

Of course, religious fundies may not see that as "good". But it's almost an axiom that what they see as "not good" really is good for the normal world.


(I'm not a Jenner fan. To my knowledge, she's a conservative republican, who is using her wealth to solve her personal issues that most people with similar issues don't come close to having the resources to solve, and anyway those folks would probably rather eat and have a decent secure home first.)

[Logical]

29. You don't need a brainless reality show to make this a good thing. The greed makes the reality...

show necessary.

[PeaceNikki]

38. Well said.

[cherokeeprogressive]

31. My Transgender Son would be heartbroken by the lack of empathy that is the foundation of this thread

It's effective.

Fuck me to tears.

[NuclearDem]

32. Nothing like comparing the most public transgender women in the world

to a family of misogynists and child abuse enablers to really drive home the point.

[cherokeeprogressive]

33. I know, right? Even better; do it with glee and pat each other on the back over it. n/t

[NuclearDem]

34. For some, I don't think there will ever be an acceptable transgender public figure.

For Manning, it was the "traitor" bit. For Jenner, it's the tired old Kardashian hate.

[DemocraticWing]

36. I don't think you understand what this means to trans people.

Then again, I'm afraid most straight people don't understand much about the LGBT community.

[herding cats]

39. I was just going to say they don't understand what this means to people in the trans community

I'm glad to see you beat me to it.

[Fearless]

40. Agreed. What a terrible thing to say.

[joeybee12]

42. This is incredibly insulting...

Shame on you.