NYC_SKP appreciation thread

[Flying Squirrel]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Hassin Bin Sober (a host of the General Discussion forum).

I, for one, appreciated his response to my DUzy thread in memory of JeffR...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026733162#post5

And his request for Nance to be unblocked so she could post about him, and his request for JeffR to be added to the DU In Memoriam page (still not done).

[Orrex]

1. He was one of the best DUers to be PPR'ed for calling Hillary a c----

[Bonobo]

2. What did the "it" in "c**ing st**nt" refer to?

Surely not a person.

NOTE: asterisks included so as to be certain no one was damaged by this post.

[LiberalArkie]

8. I am a loss to understand it. I read it as shrewd stunt. But I guess there are a lot of

people here with filthy minds. People always said I was stupid and ignorant at never knowing when I was being insulted. But then this is a pro-Hillary operated system, so it it is be expected.

[peacebird]

12. ^^^this^^^

[samsingh]

26. its disturbing that we are now inferring and banning people

I will be weaning myself off du - looking for other sites.

I guess the thought and word police don't care about the wider country, just enforcing rules here - and I'm a HUGE Hillary supporter and I'm still appalled at this.

if I ever get banned - and I return under a different id - I will never contribute another dime to this site - may not now.

[Orrex]

100. There's no "inferring" here. That charge is a red herring.

The term is at least decades old and always means exactly what NYC_SKP meant. Any claim that the phrase "doesn't necessarily mean that" is either a lie or a demonstration of ignorance. I first read the joke in a book of "naughty" jokes that was printed in the 1960s, and I'm confident that it predates that publication by many years.

I guess the thought and word police don't care about the wider country, just enforcing rules here - and I'm a HUGE Hillary supporter and I'm still appalled at this.

Yeah, yeah. If you deliberately choose to make use of a phrase that you know is unacceptable--as NYC_SKP used the term to insult Clinton--then it hardly requires "thought and word police" to hold you responsible for that choice.

[Ms. Toad]

171. You are sorely mistaken if you think the phrase, rather than whose activities it targeted

are unacceptable here.

The posters I've collected in this thread are, for the most part, alive and kicking. None had their posts hidden, and none were banned for the offense of using the phrase "cunning stunt."

As for the phrase always meaning what he meant, I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that too - but I don't have time to research at the moment. Perhaps later.

[LiberalArkie]

137. Yea, me too. I am just not smart enough to know all the sexual things that should be said or not be

said. I led a pretty sheltered life I guess, I never even said a curse word until I was in my late 50's and then I got it wrong. I just don't fit in here where it is alright to portray people as monkeys and DICK cheney and all the things that are said to denigrate people you don't like. It used to be that Liberals were fairly intelligent people and did not stoop to name calling and accepted what was thrown at them as freedom of speech, something Liberals took as something very important. But sometimes we forget that we still must not upset "The Man" who may sometimes believe different than you do.

[Duckhunter935]

141. Thank you

Some of these same people that are complaining the loudest were very quiet on all of the anti-Palin post that were very ugly. and just as misogynistic.

That should not be.

We should be better than that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. Google "Cunning Stunt" verbatim

Google "Cunning Stunt" verbatim


https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=cunning+stunt




Oh, the obligatory I oppose the ban.

[Orrex]

71. Shrewd? Oh, come on.

There was nothing shrewd or subtle about it. The joke is decades old and well know, and there's simply no way that NYC_SKP wasn't aware of its meaning when he posted it.

People always said I was stupid and ignorant at never knowing when I was being insulted.

That's not for me to judge, because I can't assess your intelligence or knowledge.

However, if we are to accept that NYC_SKP didn't realize that his use of the phrase was offensive, then we must assume that he is much more ignorant or much less intelligent than we suspect him to be.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

76. Never try to convince somebody to believe something when their whole world views hinges...

Never try to convince somebody to believe something when their whole world views hinges on not believing it.

[Duckhunter935]

81. Never say he used the "C" word when he indeed did not

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. RES IPSA LOQUITUR

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=cunning+stunt

[Duckhunter935]

86. once again you prove my point

THE word was never used. The fact can not be changed no matter how many times you try with the untrue postings.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

95. You are right, duckhunter, he used a circumlocution to call a female a c--t.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=cunning+stunt

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.


-John Adams

[Duckhunter935]

97. and it should have been hidden

[DemocratSinceBirth]

109. We're making progress...

As I have said a brazillion times I disagree with the ban but it's disingenuous to argue he didn't know exactly what he was doing and the image he wished to convey.

[Duckhunter935]

113. I have said from the beginning

It was a jury issue and should have been hidden if they so found.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

130. Random points

1) You can have your account here terminated at any reason for any time.
2) I thought the ban was excessive .
3) The poster was building up to this moment

[samsingh]

134. that would have been a reasonable and appropriate response

[Duckhunter935]

142. Thank you

I hope you stay but understand if you do not. We may not always agree, that is what makes this place great.

[zeemike]

10. I was on a jury that hid a post that used those two words

Not together mind you but just somewhere in the post.

We are compiling a whole list of words that cannot be typed but only indicated by letters.
There is no telling what words will be next.

[cwydro]

24. Do t forget

th*g!

[Orrex]

55. Please.

It's a well-established, decades-old way of using The Dreaded Word while hoping to maintain plausible deniability, and it fools no one except those eager to be fooled.

It's also disingenuous (and, frankly, beneath you) to pretend that he didn't use the dogwhistle phrase in obvious reference to Clinton. Further, as has repeatedly been noted, NYC_SKP was quick to cry foul whenever someone used what he felt was insulting or abusive language. If he has any conviction at all, then he should agree that--by his own standards--he should face the consequences for his use of the banned term.


Personally, I don't think that the world will end because of the word, but I recognize--as we all recognize--that DU has standards that are ultimately subject to the discretion of the admins. That's not "an appeal to authority" as some have incorrectly claimled; it's an acceptance of the terms of service. NYC_SKP chose to violate those terms, so we must assume that he did so consciously and will full awareness of the consequences.

[mopinko]

90. i think he did it in the heat of the moment, and in response to

a troll who used it first. he was repeating a comment that was quickly removed, so it looked like he just tossed it out there.
he should have know better.
i know he regrets it.

but he also understands why he got banned.

[Orrex]

136. Yeah, I saw the exchange unfold in real time.

After the fact, with the troll's post removed, NYC_SKP's post looks worse in the absence of its antecedent.

It may have been a "heat of the moment" posting, but he made the specific decision to capitalize the phrase--whereas the first-time troll did not--indicating that NYC_SKP knew what it meant. IMO that's what doomed him; since he highlighted the troll's comment, he can't plead ignorance, because he clearly understood the joke.

[mopinko]

151. he did.

and i think it was the cheekiness of it that pissed off admin.
that and the fact that he should have recognized that particular troll at 1,000 paces. or at least should have thought twice about echoing such a low post count person.
i suspect he did just think it was funny, rather than actually mean it. he is a funny guy.

[Kali]

179. if I were a juror in a "real" trial that had a beyond-a-reasonable doubt bar to cross

I would have to allow for the possibility he was letting the troll know he "got" the joke. The charge is that he was agreeing and welcoming the new poster, but there is the real and even reasonable possibility he was taunting a troll. Yes he was/is vehemently anti-Clinton, but he has also been a mod and on MIRT, so I can see motivations both ways. That gives me reasonable doubt.

Given that possibility of an alternative motive I would not be able to convict, especially in a "capital" case.

He absolutely knew what the term meant, people that are arguing he didn't are not helping him. I think there may be some who genuinely did not get the "joke," but he knew.

[RiverLover]

3. What you just wrote is more offensive to me than what he wrote. The actual WORD is highly

highly offensive to me. He didn't use the word. He was incredibly childish, but not offensive in his use of a word game to convey it.

It should have been a hide & a time out maybe, but not a ban. The ban was purging, imo.

[mylye2222]

4. Agree on purging

I posted an OP saying his banning was unfair. Guess what happend? Locked as Meta.

[tularetom]

14. Same thing happened to me

But guess what. I looked at the rules and there it is right there in black and white.

DISRUPTIVE META-DISCUSSION
Positive threads about Democratic Underground or its members are are permitted.

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.

So I guess we'll all have to find a different way to complain. If we want to, of course. Which we probably don't, anymore.

[peacebird]

16. Yes, when looking, witch hunters can always find the 'mark of the devil', here on DU it seems

a certain group can find something to be outraged by.

[boston bean]

18. Who are these witches you speak of?

Does it include the warlock who did the ban? He was the only one with enough mystical powers to cast that banning spell.

for the jury, I am not calling earlg a warlock... I am just trying to show how ridiculous this "witch hunt" stuff is.

No one witch hunted NYC_SKP. He got banned for something he wrote. ie Calling, in a not so clever way, Hillary Clinton a c*nt.

[peacebird]

20. A cunning stunt was the phrase he used, clearly a play on words against the person he was answering

Not her Royal Highness

[boston bean]

22. Care to answer the question?

And yes, he did call her that, in a not so clever way. According to the admin of this site.

Again, who are the witches of which you speak?

[peacebird]

23. No - it is pretty clear. Not suprised you were on the jury

Have a nice day

[boston bean]

25. On what jury?

LOL

[peacebird]

28. Too little caffeine, i misread your 'for the jury'

[Cha]

34. Is she calling EarlG a "witch hunter"? Because that's who banned him. They hate Hillary so much

they use every trick in the book to excuse SKP's clever little misogynistic slur at Hillary Clinton.

If it were directed at Elizabeth Warren and some other dude said it .. they'd be screaming for his head... and not giving a shite if he were banned.

"Troll"

Feel the Bern.

If she's not ready to handle spontaneous exchanges,

she is not fit for the Presidency. This is all smoke and mirrors, IMO. Yes, I am voting for Bernie but just thinking of her even pulling such a cunning stunt is pretty shockingly appalling.

I'm not sayin'--I'm just sayin'...

"There will be NO opportunities to interview Hillary Clinton; her speech will be her interview."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6775879
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6783979

How SKP responded..

"Welcome to DU, Feel the Bern! And yes, it's a Cunning Stunt!

I say that to myself every day, over an over.

It can be a tongue twister!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6775973

Posted it in his journal too.. just in case anyone missed his Hide..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/~NYC_SKP

EarlG (Administrator)

"Called Hillary Clinton the c-word. Thought he was being clever about it. He was not."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=221412&sub=trans

If SKP wants back he needs to own it and apologize to the Admin when asking to be re-instated.. not try to wiggle out of it like others are trying to do for him.

Those making excuses for him.. from saying "it wasn't directed at Hillary" to "he really didn't say it" to "he was only joking", "he was ignorant.. he didn't know what it meant" are doing him absolutely no good.

[boston bean]

42. see my post 18!

good post Cha! Thanks for putting/pulling it all together!

[Cha]

61. Actually, I got corrected.. she said "witch hunters".. so that makes EarlG a "witch hunter" since

he's the one who banned SKP.

And, since we don't appreciate misogynistic slurs directed at Hillary Clinton or anyone.. we're part of this too.

[Violet_Crumble]

45. They were talking about witch hunting, not calling anyone a witch...

Witch-hunting is a term that's used to describe seeking out people with subversive views with a claim it's being done to protect society, when in reality it's done to harass and persecute those with differing opinions. McCarthyism's an excellent example of a witch hunt.

[Cha]

54. Thank you.. I changed it.

[Violet_Crumble]

57. No probs, Cha...

Enjoy yr weekend

[KittyWampus]

66. Ah, so they aren't called EarlG a witch, they're calling him an Inquisitor.

That's so much better.

[Violet_Crumble]

68. No, they weren't calling him anything. I got the impression they were referring to a DU clique n/t

[peacebird]

82. Exactly.

[boston bean]

154. Hi Peacebird, violet has told me to ask you

what DU clique you are referring to. As you agreed with her here by saying "exactly" in response to her stating that your posts were in reference to a DU clique.

[MannyGoldstein]

161. Why wouldn't she just ask herself?

if she was interested?

[boston bean]

163. not sure. nt

[boston bean]

85. What clique would that be and is EarlG included in that? nt

[Violet_Crumble]

98. I've got no fucking idea and no interest in finding out n/t

[boston bean]

110. Well, you're the one who brought it up, thought you would know.

no need to get so angry with me. sorry!

[Violet_Crumble]

112. Huh? I explained what the term witch-hunt meant, that's all...

And there's no need to be so sensitive. I could NEVER be angry with you

[boston bean]

122. Great, thanks! the expletives had me worried.

But still, I am confused... you just said that the only thing you wrote was explaining what a witch hunt was.

Am I misreading something when you wrote this:

I got the impression they were referring to a DU clique

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6793525

That was the reason for my initial question to you as to who that clique may be and if earlg was part of it.

[Violet_Crumble]

132. I swear a lot. It's what we do here...

I say things like 'It's fucking hot today,' That's me being hot, not angr. There's just one word that I won't utter at DU aimed at anyone coz it'll get me nuked, but everything else gets to run free.

The only reason I posted was to explain what a witch hunt was and who the term 'witch hunter' was being applied to. It's clear if you read the post that they're referring to a group, so if you want to find out *who* it is then ask that person, not me.

[boston bean]

144. I don't mind swear words, I use them all the time.

I just don't usually use them unless I'm angry or aggravated. So, maybe there was a misunderstanding there.

Or sometimes I use them with friends in casual conversation, where I know the intent is obvious and can't be taken another way.

And pretty much that is what I asked the poster and have gotten no response. My wording may have been off, but I think completely understandable to the receiver of the post.

Thought you would know since you referenced a DU clique. I'm not aware of any clique's on DU. And I would really like to understand what is meant by that.

[Violet_Crumble]

166. It's a cultural difference...

Like I said, I swear a lot. Another Aussie DUer even said I can call him a dickhead whenever I want, which roughly translates as: 'I think yr a good person, Violet. As I like you, you can call me a dickhead as a term of endearment when you greet me in future.'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6784561

I've been at DU a hell of a long time. Of course there's multiple cliques floating round. But I'm not going to supply a list of names and stuff coz they're pretty fluid things that seem to change a lot from what I can see.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

174. What are we, in 2nd Grade...

[brer cat]

102. Good post, Cha. nt

[Cha]

115. mahalo brer cat~

[Orrex]

60. Ah, yes. The old "outrage" accusation.

Calling someone "outraged" is typically an attempt to distract from the discussion at hand. The hope is that the accused will waste time defending against that accusation instead of maintaining focus. Since I am not outraged, the charge is meaningless to me, so I have no need to defend against it.

Having said that, NYC_SKP used a term that he knew was in violation of the TOS, so we must trust that he was aware of the likely consequences and respect his decision to post his message anyway.

And calling it the "mark of the devil" is a bit hyperbolic. We're not talking about some faint blemish on an elbow; we're talking about a clear and unambiguous use of a term that NYC_SKP knew to be offensive and contrary to the TOS, and which he used to refer to a likely Democratic nominee. If that qualifies as a witch hunt in your estimation, then you set a very low bar.

[Cha]

80. Mahalo for your post, Orrex.

[MannyGoldstein]

143. E.g., the folks that claim that noting Obama is angry about something

is an intentional dog whistle to fellow racists on DU, designed to conjure the meme of the angry black man.

That kind of silliness.

[Duckhunter935]

38. Yes, the purge has begun

it should have been a jury hide if they voted that way. I will miss him as he was a great DU member over many years that has been going through serious medical issues.

[Duckhunter935]

65. Like I said it is a purge

and RKBA supporters that have been a part of DU for years are part of it. What makes me sad is that that you and other people get away calling fellow DU members names or worse almost on a daily basis with impunity.

[Orrex]

63. Sure.

It's a purge if a favored member is banned for a gross violation of the TOS, but it's a good move if an unfavored member is banned for a gross violation of the TOS. Funny how that works.

[Duckhunter935]

67. should have been a jury issue

and possibly a time out.

[Orrex]

72. Maybe, but I defer to the admins.

Just as NYC_SKP and you and everyone else agreed to defer to the admins when we joined.

[Duckhunter935]

79. I agree, it is the admins overall right

I just do not have to agree with it, they can do it even if this little user objects. They have the power.

[mopinko]

91. one member does not a purge make.

come on.

[Duckhunter935]

101. we shall see who is next

has to begin somewhere

[CTyankee]

121. as the urban dictionary puts it..."Most people can figure it out. "

[DemocratSinceBirth]

123. Said poster didn't use the word either.

I was watching The Help on tv last night. It was about African American domestic workers in the pre civil rights era south. In one scene a woman called her maid the N word but hearing the entire word said brought home the ugliness of it.

Some words are ugly and only by hearing them and not dancing around them can we appreciate their sting.


The obligatory I oppose the ban but I fear we wouldn't be having this conversation if the epithet was hurled at someone we liked or made by someone we dislike.

[IdaBriggs]

15. By the definitions used, this post stands a good chance of getting an alert

because TO SOME PEOPLE it reads like YOU are calling someone a bad word.

You might want to edit for clarification before you get banned.

Just saying.

[sufrommich]

21. Jury results:

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Seriously do we need to open this can of worms with the hillary is a c

We know where people are going with this on the thread implying a certain word even if it is marked out. I don't care if people support or not support Hillary but can we not use such words or even imply them. This is just repulsive!

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:42 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you're going to post an OP lauding someone who was banned for calling the female candidate that word on a democratic board,you shouldn't be surprised that some might object.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Personally I think we need to drop this and move on. The c word in whatever spelling is not right to be using.
I'm not a Hillary fan but at the same time I feel we should show her the respect she so richly deserves. Lets have a discussion on issues not on name calling
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This probably won't get hidden, but I vote to hide it for this reason: Replace Hillary with Obama, and replace the c--- with an n----. You would never be allowed to post that on the DU. Double standard much?
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hey alerter, here is a clue. When one uses the word to show what word they are talking about and uses it in a context that is meant to deride it's usage, it's not offensive.

However, if it is used against a woman as a derogatory/demeaning/misogynistic insult, that is where it becomes a problem.

Learn the difference.

I hope people are going to fall for this manipulating, ridiculous alert.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Um, NYC_SKP was nuked for calling Hillary Clinton a C*nt using a spoonerism. If the alerted DUer was calling her one I'd vote to hide, but this post is saying what he got nuked for which is different and makes the use of the word acceptable.

[Duckhunter935]

40. and that would be factuall untrue

please stop with the lies, that "C" word was never used by him. If you can prove it with a link, I will apologize.

[boston bean]

87. Why are you calling someone a liar.

Read the banning message. Are you meaning that admin here are liars as well?

[Duckhunter935]

96. I am just saying what are facts

1. NY_SKP never used the "C" word, he used what is a spoonerism, as I have been told many times.
2. The only one that actually did use the "C" word disguised was the the admin in the ban message.

I am just pointing out all of the posters that are posting that NY_SKP actually used the "C" word are factually incorrect.

[boston bean]

106. weak sauce for the gullible or possibly a deflection tactic.

And yes you are saying that people are lying. Stop that, please.

[Duckhunter935]

111. Sorry, no

I will keep posting facts and allowing people to decide.

The truth is what it is

[boston bean]

114. Here are the facts.

1) NYC_SKP was banned.
2) Here are admins words specifically regarding the reason for his banning:

Called Hillary Clinton the c-word. Thought he was being clever about it. He was not.

You are at odds with the admin on the board, fine, sometimes I am as well. But please stop calling people liars for recognizing the obvious. That he called Hillary Clinton that.

[Duckhunter935]

125. and the fact still is he never USED the "C" word

like many are saying he did. That is factually incorrect

The only person that USED the "C" word was an admin in the ban explanation.

Facts are facts. Never called anyone a liar but some are posting incorrect information.

[boston bean]

131. In your mind.

The facts is that is exactly what he did, not matter how cleverly he designed it.

[Duckhunter935]

139. Nope

sorry we will have to disagree. I can read, I have seen the posts. I have read the words and the "C" word was never typed by NY_SKP.

A spoonerism was, and I would think deserved a hide.

[boston bean]

140. This is getting tasking.

You want to hang your hat on a word being explicitly typed out to call people liars, when the intent and meaning of the spoonerism was to call Hillary Clinton a c*nt.

The intent, was the meaning. So to say he called her one, is accurate.

So, you are right, we will never agree. But I do wish you would stop saying people are lying when they voice this opinion, because it is really quite reasonable.

[Duckhunter935]

146. Then they should stop saying he USED that word

I just point out the fact he did not. Others have not researched the actual words and are confused on what he typed.

You are the only one that is saying liar. I have not

Have a great day

[boston bean]

148. People are not saying he used that word.

They are saying he called her one.

Can we please move on now, and you can please stop calling people liars?

[whopis01]

178. The admin never used the word either. n/t

[mopinko]

164. get over it. he knew what he was saying.

he is a friend of mine irl, and i can assure you he knew what he was saying.

[Lizzie Poppet]

93. ...even though he didn't.

Do you even linguistics?

[Duckhunter935]

105. If you post it enough

it must be true!

[sabrina 1]

104. Post that please, where he used that word, I could not find it anywhere.

[Duckhunter935]

108. Either could I

and no one has been able to link to it after many requests from me.

[Paka]

5. He wasone of the good ones.

We will miss him greatly.

[mylye2222]

6. Yes. It is painfull

[stonecutter357]

7. .

It is unbelievable so called liberals support filth like this.

[Cha]

172. Yeah, well.. no one is surprised.

[RiverLover]

9. NYC_SKP on 6/3/15: "You know what? You're a GOOD DU-er!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018767577

You were a good one too, NYC_SKP!! DU truly won't be the same without you.

[Rhiannon12866]

11. I was a mod and a host and on MIRT with NYC_SKP, and he was one of my favorite DUers

And yes, he was thoughtful, too.

[peacebird]

17. He was a good egg, I liked him a lot. Didn't always agree with him, doesn't matter. Democracy

[hootinholler]

29. Me too n/t

[KittyWampus]

13. He was a gun-humping troll who posted vile stuff after Sandy Hook.

And according to other DU'ers who remember back to Newtown, he trolled then too.

Sorry, no appreciation for that.

Who the hells trolls mass shooting where children die?

[skepticscott]

33. He adored his gun porn

Even though this one was deleted, it's not hard to tell from the responses how vile and sick it was:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022002711#post5

[KittyWampus]

36. Ooooo, a post from Skinner.

Skinner (60,341 posts)
5. I like you, NYC_SKP. But...

...we are letting people discuss guns now because it is related to an important current event. In other words, some relevance to public policy is implied. Which is why GD full of "guns suck/guns rule" right now.

But discussing the merits of the Mossberg 500 Special Purpose 12 ga with Extended Magazine is pretty far removed from the public policy discussion. Just sayin'.

AND PLEASE NOTE SOMEONE RIGHTLY CALLING NYC_SKP A DOUCHEBAG GOT HIDDEN.

[Duckhunter935]

46. And here is NY_SKPs reply to Skinner

32. I like you too, Skinner. Had I see this sooner, I would have self deleted sooner.

I'll do it now.



Let's not give up the power we have in the first ten amendments.

I lived through the Cleveland School event, for what it's worth.

Happy Holidays!

Seems like he worked well after being warned by an admin

[boston bean]

49. and he reposted his OP at the end of the thread

which rightfully, was finally hidden.

[Duckhunter935]

58. No, bad hide IMO

all he talked about was buying a weapon. The thread should have been locked as off topic.

[Cha]

167. Like has been said.. "trollish behavior".. pushing the limits of what he could get away with

The replies on that thread show just how Disgusted everyone was with him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022002711#post15

[KittyWampus]

62. There was a lot more vile crap he posted. It wasn't just that one post...

but it's interesting someone with a DU handle of DUCK HUNTER would be so quick to defend a gun humping troll.

And what does it say about anyone who posts several sick posts that are clearly TROLLING for emotional reactions after children die in a school shooting?

AND THE ONLY REASON HE APOLOGIZES IS BECAUSE SKINNER CALLS HIM OUT?

Yeah, I'd apologize too if Skinner called me out.

[Duckhunter935]

77. you do not even know what my username means, do you?

it is not about hunting, FYI

That is a great thing about DU over the years, We all can disagree about things and a jury of members can hide posts they feel are offensive. It works quite well most times unless you get a person that alert stalks like I had for a while. The funny thing is IMO that person is also an active host.

Sometimes a hint from a host or an admin will calm things down and Skinner talked to NY_SKP and he complied by self-deleting. I have done the same thing after getting a PM from a host.

More name calling I see, how civil of you. Have a great one!

[Lizzie Poppet]

126. When posters use infantile pejoratives like "gun humper" or "ammosexual"...

...I place them in the same category I do RW'ers who indulge in things like "lie-beral." Not the cream of the crop, shall we say...

[Duckhunter935]

128. yes, when the name calling and

juvenile sexual references are used by many here, that really persuades me a lot.


Truly sad IMO

[boston bean]

39. I got a hide in that thread! LOL

[marble falls]

94. You've got spirit, bean, if I'd have been on that jury you'd had had one vote on your side.

[boston bean]

147. Why thank you, marble falls! You're not to shabby yourself!

[Duckhunter935]

155. a 6-0 hide

and deserved for telling a person to F*** off and calling him a b****d

I can understand the frustration but it could have been handled better

[boston bean]

156. right. A troll I told that to. One who is now banned.

[Duckhunter935]

158. still no excuse

and the jury was correct.

[boston bean]

162. was I complaining? nt

[Cha]

175. you're weren't the only one who was pissed at SKP's big Gun OP when Sandy Hook happened..

Nor the only one who got a hide. Some hides are worth it.

They were begging him to self delete..

"OP please self delete. this is in extremely poor taste."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022002711#post15

[boston bean]

177. His post was in really really bad taste.

It was so disrespectful... children dead, gunned down in elementary school. And he wants to teach DU a lesson by posting gun porn, because he felt all the discussion belonged in the gungeon.

It was disgusting.

[Cha]

181. I know. and now he's done it again. I edited and added to my previous post.. I said they were

"begging him to delete".

Then when Skinner asks him to self delete he does but then he adds it in the last post .. that then got a hide. No that's not trollish behavior.

[Cha]

153. Nobody "appreciated" SKP on this OP.. speaking of "who the hell trolls mass shootings where children

die?"

notice the responses..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022002711#post2

[madfloridian]

169. Heck, there's some pretty good name calling going on right in thread I see.

That's a shame.

[alcibiades_mystery]

176. Ding ding ding

Good riddance.

[-none]

19. If NYC_SKP was so bad as to be banned over one post, and no hides, not even the one in question was

hidden, then why all of the very many long threads concerning him? This thread is another case in point.
One would think someone that "vile", as some say he was, would have a record of hides because of offending people. That doesn't seem to be the case. His banning seem more like another successful witch hunt to bring down someone who refused to toe to someone else's self imposed authoritarian line on DU.
Even when his detractors post links to his supposed infractions, those posts don't seem to be as advertised by his detractors.

[KittyWampus]

27. Hides require that enough people actually vote to hide. The kids at the cool table

get a pass from their many friends.

And his sick posts after mass shootings are a matter of record.

I remember as do other DU'ers.

[RiverLover]

88. I wasn't at DU during that horrific time(Sandy Hook), KittyWampus.

I've seen the posts now that they've been linked, but its still hard to believe he did that.

That's much worse than what he got banned for, imo. Really disappointing/disturbing. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

[marble falls]

107. Good point. I have to watch out that I don't don't give passes when I'm called to jury. I admit....

I would have been tempted to pass NYC SKP for his punning stunt. Even though I am 100% for banning people who use that word otherwise.

[samsingh]

30. actually my star membership is about to expire - does anyone know how to purge one's account?

[MH1]

103. You can't "purge" your account.

What you have written, stays.

You can, however, lock yourself out. Just change to password to something hideously complicated, and don't write it down.

[samsingh]

150. i can just stop donating as i've been doing for 15 years

[MH1]

160. LOL that's ironic. I stopped donating because of a troll they didn't ban

for years and years and years.

I was going to start donating again once they finally banned the troll but there have been other reasons since then.

I'm not a NYC_SKP fan but what bothers me is the contrast between the way this was handled vs. how some other trolls have been handled. There are posters here who blatantly insult other posters and there are no consequences. I can understand some punishment to NYC_SKP if the admins really believe that he was calling Hillary the c word - but outright ban with no warning/timeout? (Let me repeat though, it is their site. It is "free" for me - when the ads don't drag it down and stop it from working - so I ain't b**ching.)

Anyway, it's easy to quit using the site. Or just not renew your subscription.

[samsingh]

168. i am NOT a NYC_SKP fan - in fact we disagree extensively on gun control, middle east, and

future President Hillary Clinton.

I just am appalled at a ban for words (not hate words) and all the gloating.

again I disagreed with just about everything he posted. but are we so intolerant now? hide his posts.

[Duckhunter935]

170. well my Star memebership

has 162 day left, I do not think it will be renewed.

Not just over this but the constant insults that are allowed and an alert stalker that IMO is a host. I have requested information from the admins and have not even been had any kind of response. Guys, it would be polite to at least respond.

A poster is allowed to have an offensive signature picture I have alerted multiple times and it just fine as it deals with male genitalia.

I think NY_SKP should have gotten a hide or a time out but not a ban whan other people are allowed to do the same things to other woman and are allowed to stay.

[alcibiades_mystery]

180. It's very easy to not be part of DU anymore

It's the little URL thing in the top left, and when you click that "Post my Reply!" button

[KG]

31. well, at least he'll have plenty of time now to shine up the chrome shotgun he claimed,

in a gun porn post in GD the day after Newtown, he was going to buy.

[KittyWampus]

32. Thank You. I don't collect dossiers on DU'ers like some here do… but I remember him trolling after

Sandy Hook.

I wish someone would post his vile, trolling posts so people would stfu.

[skepticscott]

35. And let's not forget how he

tried to paint the gun-toting religious whackos who gunned down innocent people in the Charlie Hebdo attacks as just as much victims as the people they murdered.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218176814#post62

That's just sick. DU is not the poorer for his absence, since everyone is sharing opinions freely and openly.

[KittyWampus]

41. I've gotten thank you emails from people who knew what a troll he really was-

but are reluctant to post in threads cause he was so popular.

[boston bean]

44. mmm.. mmm...

It wasn't all love, peace and Frisbees, that's for sure.. To make it seem so, would not be in accordance with the reality.

[KittyWampus]

48. some people have a lot invested in the fiction NYC_SKP was an innocent martyr

who took one for Bernie's team.

All because of one misconstrued, teeny-weeny post.

There was a lot more than just one post going back a lot longer than the current Democratic primary.

[boston bean]

56. years worth...

I've felt this way about him for some time, not just this last incident..

So, I don't need any convincing (not that you are trying to).. But just to note this is not something I just now came to a conclusion on.

[MannyGoldstein]

117. The Admins didn't mention that past

As they have in other instances of banning.

[boston bean]

182. and??

[skepticscott]

73. Those of us who frequent the Religion Group have a better picture

of the kind of person he really was. We haven't even touched on his rabid anti-science, anti-intellectualism in defense of religion. He was great at passive-aggressive, thinly veiled snark and insult that was crafted to deride, but to get around a jury hide and let him say "who, me?? I NEVER!" In the spirit of an appreciation thread, I'm very appreciative that the admins didn't let it fly in this case.

[KittyWampus]

75. I have seen someone post he was anti-athiest. As in rudely, insultingly anti-atheist >>>>

and that just goes to show no DU'er is privy to any other DU'ers entire posting history and behavior.

While I have argued theist/athiest since the beginning of DU (from a philosophical perspective), I don't do it any more. Don't go to that forum. So wouldn't have noticed him being a jerk there too.

[KG]

92. no doubt he his pizza was cumulative, not the result of one post.

[MannyGoldstein]

138. But the Admins didn't mention a cumulative past

as they have for other banned members.

[Duckhunter935]

149. another true statement

[Cha]

37. I couldn't believe that.. it hurt my heart. It was sickening.. Why would he do something like that

even if he did like guns?

[KittyWampus]

43. Because he was a troll. That's what trolls do.

They post offensive stuff to get reactions.

And if they don't get posts hidden because they're so popular their friends protect them they just get more and more offensive.

Like NYC_SkP and his Hillary crap of late.

So all his so-called friends can congratulate themselves on helping him get banned.

[boston bean]

47. IMO, it was stealth.

He's probably laughing his ass off about it right now.

[KittyWampus]

50. Oh, he might be a Democrat. Trolls aren't just rightwing infiltrators.

It's all about posting stuff that'll get emotional reactions. Either for attention or lolz.

[boston bean]

53. true... it's just that many of the times I noticed it

he could have fit in with the other side.

[Cha]

52. I was thinking the same kinda of thing.. all the hoorahs, and Recs

he got for all his over the line behavior only enabled him to be more insulting.

They had a part in this.

[ibewlu606]

51. Rec'd

Will calling a politician who gives speeches to Goldman Sachs at $250k a pop, a Wall St. whore get you banned?

[KingCharlemagne]

145. How about calling someone who votes for a war based on lies that kills 1,000,000+ Iraqi civilians a

"fucking baby killer"? If so, I would wear my banning proudly.

Hillary: either modern history's biggest dupe or something far, far worse. In either case, completely disquallifed to be POTUS.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. I oppose the ban...

I said so a brazillion times but making a martyr out of a guy who circuitously called a woman a c--- is remarkable. Make martyrs out of guys and gals who pull kids out of burning buildings and lose their lives in the process and stuff like that.

[KittyWampus]

70. It wasn't just one teeny-weeny post. Why so many DU'ers insist on that fiction

is puzzling at this point.

I and other DU'ers have proven he was a gun-humping troll.

Who also posted weird crap after Charlie Hebdo.

And who also was getting more and more rude and insulting towards Hillary.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. Being a progressive and a casual or habitual misogynist is mutually exclusive.

[KittyWampus]

78. Being a progressive and being a gun-humping troll would also be mutually exclusive >>>

yet apparently that's the case being made for NYC_SKP.

[barbtries]

83. i read that he was simply banned with no chance to edit post or apologize.

i don't know that, i just read it. will miss him.

[Duckhunter935]

89. As far as I know that is a true statement

He has also been going through serious medical issues with his brain. I hope he gets well.

[zeemike]

116. In reading this thread it is clear to me why Dems have so much trouble winning elections.

There is a whole list of things you cannot say or think as well as be for, like hunting and guns or you are out of the big tent.
We here seem to narrow the meaning of progressive and expect to win...none of that will play well in Peoria.

[skepticscott]

120. The question then becomes

what kind of person would have posted something that vile at all, and how meaningful a forced, feigned apology and insincere retraction would have been.

[mopinko]

99. i hope the guys let him come back.

stranger things have happened.
he is a good person who did something stupid. he is not that sort of a person, just swallowed a bit of troll bait.

[KittyWampus]

118. He did a lot of offensive, stupid stuff. Not just one thing. And he was the troll

in quite a few instances. Not some innocent victim of someone else's troll bait.

[fredamae]

119. Stunning is the

Selective interpretation of his re-post.
Stunning are those who purport to know his psychology and assumptions about his intent upon posting.
Cunning is the excuse to Ban a Politically Passionate Person.

What all this really boiled down to is a façade of bias and prejudice, imo.

CUNNING:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cunning

STUNT:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stunt

Democratic:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/democratic?s=t

I'm confused.

[boston bean]

124. I saw the bias or prejudice in his comment that got him banned?

did you?

[fredamae]

129. Response Correction: That would be my

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assessment.....of the response to him...actually.
I misread your original response.

What I believe I see here is that NYC did NOT post that as an original thought.

It is MY opinion that folks are too thin-skinned these days and have and continuing to become more overly sensitive to many terms/words used and then take stuff out of context.

I am a woman WAAAY into my 60's and I find Many things stated by others all over the web distasteful on Many issues ... so I take Personal responsibility and STOP Reading that site and or poster.
Problem solved.

Look at the distraction this whole mess has caused when a person who otherwise has a LONG history of contributing (from what I can tell) Positive aspects to this website and by those who Choose to "see" something that I don't believe was there in the first place nor was it, even With intent-so egregious as to be Banned.

[OhZone]

127. As someone who has been called -

- a F****** C*** by someone who I admired on my odd little forum. I have mixed feelings about using a spoonerism when everyone knows the meaning. It's definitely not as bad as the real word, but it's still offensive against Hillary and feels like misogyny. It seems very un-DU and very anti-progressive. But, then again, I have a fairly thick skin. I've been called that word many times, but it only hurts when someone I care about or respect says it.

[boston bean]

133. In general, it just lets everyone know the deep lack of respect

one has for women.

I think that is the offense, not that someone was personally aggrieved.

And that type of disrespect in using misogynistic terms has no place here on DU. I'm sure most women have been called one at one time in their life and it is not a pleasant experience. So, when you see someone use it, it really tells you a lot about them.

[OhZone]

152. Exactly! n/t

[Duckhunter935]

157. I know you feel the same way on

lack of respect for males here too, right?

I think both sides need to be respectful of the others

[boston bean]

159. Why are you asking me this? nt

[Warren Stupidity]

135. I recall fondly his splaining us how to do sandy hook

the right way.

One of his best efforts.

[alcibiades_mystery]

183. A classic in gunner prose

The detail. The technical specificity and correctness. The tactics!

One of the very best!

[Cha]

184. This?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022002711#post15

[99Forever]

165. Selective enforcement of "the rules" isn't easily glossed over.

There seems to be those that truly would have this forum be nothing more than an echo chamber for their views and agenda. They decide what can be thought, what can be said, and who will be allowed to say it.

And if you don't like it, wellllll...

... there's "the rules."

[Duckhunter935]

173. that is the thing that gets me