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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:44 PM Jun 2015

Dear America: Meet Bernie Sanders. PROPERLY, THIS TIME


"...In all seriousness, Bernie is by all means a candidate that is not to be taken lightly, a by-the-numbers major player in the race to be the next president of the richest, most powerful country in human history. He is a candidate with firm values, authentic determination and a thorough set of solutions to the problems facing America today. And it is about time we started treating him that way...."



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~snip~

This is an open letter to the American people.

In the race to decide the next President of your arguably great nation, there is one candidate who has been drawing the largest crowds of any candidate visiting the key primary state of Iowa (including the Republican primary candidates, who probably estimate about 1 percent of the American population at this point). A candidate who out-fundraised Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and Rand Paul in any of their first 24 hours as candidates. A candidate whose policies align with the majority of Americans on everything from income inequality to money's role in politics to the minimum wage to federally financed political campaigning to abortion to overturning Citizens United to global warming and government taking action to combat it to the affordability of a college degree to gun control to government surveillance to passing a law legalizing gay marriage in all 50 states. A candidate who was one of the thousands of Americans who marched with Martin Luther King, Jr. in his historic March on Washington in 1963. A candidate who has served as a mayor (being one of the earliest proponents of a lot of the policies that are nowadays commonplace in municipal government), a congressman and a senator, with deep knowledge of the American political system and equally deep, authentic convictions that he has held onto for his entire political career.



There is also only one candidate who so far has been either ignored or ridiculed by the massive majority of the American media during his entire campaign. A candidate whose campaign kickoff had the most attendees of that of any candidate so far, and yet was mostly ignored by most media outlets, or relegated to a side-note about a general story on the race, while candidates like ex-Governor and current-who-are-you-supposed-to-be George Pataki got major coverage. A candidate whose disproportionately tiny actual coverage includes headlines such as "Bernie Sanders for President? Why Not?" and flattering subtitles like "Why Sanders draws the crowds, excites the base, polls relatively well -- and still won't make much of an impact in 2016." A candidate who straight-up got asked by Katie Couric whether he'd like to be Hillary Clinton's vice presidential candidate and who is constantly reminded that "success" would be pulling Clinton's campaign farther to the left on certain policies. I mean, come on. That candidate's name is Bernie Sanders, and he could, and should, be the 45th President of the United States of America.



Saying what I've just said shouldn't be a controversial thing. If anything, it's by all means a perfectly sound thing to say when writing about a political candidate. So, I will now address the groups of people that somehow remarkably make saying "this old white heterosexual American man whose platform is entirely in touch with most of mainstream American politics should be President" a weird, taboo thing to say. First off, the general news media. Apart from what I said above, there is really something genuinely worrying about the concept of a news media largely owned by millionaires (and in some cases billionaires) who employ millionaire anchors and writers shunning the one candidate in favor of major redistribution of wealth away from America's top earners and into the middle class. The media can make or break a candidate, and, unlike ever before, the current 2016 presidential race coverage seems determined to break Bernie Sanders, with some exceptions currently applying the ol' "oh would you look at that he's actually doing well maybe we should stop blatantly dismissing his campaign" approach to reporting. Looking at you, New York Times. This is not a matter of bias. It is a matter of math. Sanders is polling better among the Democratic primary electorate than any candidate in the Republican electorate. That is a fact. He is drawing larger crowds than any other candidate in Iowa. Also a fact. Hillary Clinton only beat him by 8 points in a recent Wisconsin Democratic Party straw poll. Fact. His positions are not far-left or fringe; by the mere definitions of those terms, they cannot be if they are accepted by a majority of the American people. Fact. So, why is the media ignoring and/or acting like a gang of grade school bullies about Bernie's campaign?



Don't make it about socialism either, now. FDR and Martin Luther King, Jr. both got called socialists in their day, so good luck arguing that it's a step in the wrong direction, Sanders just happens to use the label. A majority of Americans don't identify as libertarians, but the media is not treating Rand Paul like a fringe candidate. A majority of Americans don't identify as sympathizers of the Tea Party, but the media is not treating Ted Cruz like a fringe candidate. Also, one quick thing, he's a democratic socialist. There's a difference." target="_blank"> One word. An entire word that references a completely different set of policies, a different set of foreign examples. Granted, the U.S. has had a major issue with communism in the past century, and communists tends to associate themselves with socialism, and some people argue that it's difficult to get Americans to even understand the difference between the two. But it is no -- actually, no, wait, let me just say this next bit with the fancy bold font: It is not the media's job to decide what the American people can and cannot hear. That is dishonesty, that is lying. It is the media's job to keep the American people informed. That's what it's there for, and doing anything else is simply abusing the trust millions and millions of Americans have for the current news media system. Speaking of the American public, I'd like to speak directly with everyone who is hesitant to support Bernie Sanders. Statistically, reader, that's probably you. If you're scared of a vote for Bernie being a vote thrown away, firstly, we're only talking about primaries as of right now, losing the race doesn't put anybody in office or screw anybody over, it just means somebody else gets the Democratic candidacy. That's it. Vote for the candidate you believe in, period. If you're disillusioned with the voting process as a whole, stand up, get yourself together, take some time out of your day and go vote for Bernie in your state primary (you might want to find out when your state primary is, first). That sort of lazy, voting-won't-work attitude is exactly what those who rig the process want the American public to fall into so as to make pushing their horrible agendas easier.




cont'


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/emil-mella/dear-america-please-get-your-bernie-sanders_b_7536276.html
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Dear America: Meet Bernie Sanders. PROPERLY, THIS TIME (Original Post) Segami Jun 2015 OP
Bump to the Greatest page DJ13 Jun 2015 #1
K & R. Bernie's the Candidate! appalachiablue Jun 2015 #2
+10000000000000!!! Initech Jun 2015 #9
"...If you don't like Hillary Clinton but think she has a better shot... Segami Jun 2015 #3
There's a message that always resonates with voters Recursion Jun 2015 #4
And Hillary in 2008 MissDeeds Jun 2015 #7
Thank you for pointing this out. Cracklin Charlie Jun 2015 #18
Stevenson ran against a popular war hero Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #25
And GHWB was just as entrenched and dirty as Nixon, but Clinton beat him Recursion Jun 2015 #26
Bush showed how out of touch he was with the average citizen Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #27
Bush the smarter hifiguy Jun 2015 #31
No Clinton beat him because GHWB was associated with raygun. jwirr Jun 2015 #46
Clinton didn't run as a centrist Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #79
hmm kenfrequed Jun 2015 #51
Thank you Art! Paka Jun 2015 #63
Good post. (nt) malokvale77 Jun 2015 #69
My memory of presidential campaigns goes back to 1968 Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #81
So what's your point? The Populist Movement should just go home and leave the rhett o rick Jun 2015 #58
That headline would make a great bumper sticker jberryhill Jun 2015 #5
He is. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2015 #29
yup...and exactly just as I had reminded a Bernie supporter just this morning Sheepshank Jun 2015 #44
Bernie Sanders is a candidate of what the Democratic party used to be INdemo Jun 2015 #6
+5 appalachiablue Jun 2015 #12
Exactly. hifiguy Jun 2015 #32
All good reasons, by the way. Paka Jun 2015 #64
No one who lauds war criminal Henry Kissinger as a defender of human rights hifiguy Jun 2015 #66
Your Thread Title Is Patronizing KittyWampus Jun 2015 #8
Yeah, nothing will help counter the "elitist liberals" image like nominating a New England socialist Recursion Jun 2015 #13
Or by nominating a member of America's "royal family" zeemike Jun 2015 #15
Would you like to help put up posts for us? kenfrequed Jun 2015 #54
K&R..... daleanime Jun 2015 #10
Huge K & R !!! - Thank You, Thank You, Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #11
K&R MissDeeds Jun 2015 #14
I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jun 2015 #16
Bernie is relying on the power of people who have had enough of pre-packaged, corrupt candidates. Dustlawyer Jun 2015 #17
K&R! Change has come Jun 2015 #19
K&R! G_j Jun 2015 #20
To quote Bernie, "We are not crazy." Go Berne! Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #21
I am for Bernie's Platform and He Walks the Talk McKim Jun 2015 #22
but, But, But Hillary said she will listen...........to teachers, bonniebgood Jun 2015 #23
That she will head off for dinner and drinks with the likes of Blankfein and war criminal Kissinger hifiguy Jun 2015 #35
She's rolling up... rolling up.. Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #82
maybe he could branch out from his cocoon to other states and cities now and then nt msongs Jun 2015 #24
That's a line that will convince a lot of people Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2015 #28
Perhaps... malokvale77 Jun 2015 #73
How childish Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2015 #76
You just proved my point. Thank you. (nt) malokvale77 Jun 2015 #77
The media has lost it's power to pick a candidate after they helped Dubya lie us into a war. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #30
IKR!? That is IT right there! Rex Jun 2015 #34
Don't kid yourself. A HERETIC I AM Jun 2015 #36
FOX "News" viewers are going to vote for the "R" anyway.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #39
I certainly hope so.... A HERETIC I AM Jun 2015 #42
There was a recent poll where Liberals now outnumber Conservatives.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #45
"but I have yet to see any polling data" malokvale77 Jun 2015 #74
It is NOT Americans, it IS the M$M and the other paid for corporate shrills pretending he cannot win Rex Jun 2015 #33
The more successful Bernie is, hifiguy Jun 2015 #37
AND the 'Dean Scream' character assassination will not work this time. Rex Jun 2015 #38
Nope, it won't. hifiguy Jun 2015 #40
That was a masterful work of art...Wolfie got his ass handed to him then put in a doggy bag to go!!! Rex Jun 2015 #41
The look of absolute amazement on his mug, hifiguy Jun 2015 #43
sorry but your thread title sucks. The article is great and I notice they used an appropriate title. magical thyme Jun 2015 #47
You might try sending HuffingtonPost editors a complaint email Segami Jun 2015 #49
thank you. I didn't realize they had changed it after the fact magical thyme Jun 2015 #52
Thanks.... Segami Jun 2015 #55
Bernie has a good heart and a great mind. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #48
Bernie all the way! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #50
Yeah baby!!!! 840high Jun 2015 #65
Can someone point me to the "major coverage" George Pataki got? brooklynite Jun 2015 #53
And your point is??? rhett o rick Jun 2015 #59
His point is to enter every thread about Bernie and attempt to throw cold water on it LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #70
Yes so true. Some might say that is being disruptive, but conservative Democrats rhett o rick Jun 2015 #75
What a pleasant person, this Bernie Sanders guy madokie Jun 2015 #56
Kick & sharing...:) mother earth Jun 2015 #57
Kick and rec. L0oniX Jun 2015 #60
He doesn't stand a chance in hell diamondhead Jun 2015 #61
Thanks for your concern. GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #67
+1 Segami Jun 2015 #72
Thank you for your heartfelt concern LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #71
Supporter of women's equality, that is always left out! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #62
When (and how) did America meet him improperly? George II Jun 2015 #68
I doubt Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #80
K&R. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #78
Um, okay. F4lconF16 Jun 2015 #83
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
3. "...If you don't like Hillary Clinton but think she has a better shot...
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:25 PM
Jun 2015
".....at winning the Oval Office, then help make that not be the case anymore. Go out. Vote. Promote Bernie (or O'Malley, if you're weird that way). Share this article. Write one yourself. Donate, if you can, even the smallest amount counts. Volunteer. Yes, the system is rigged, no doubt about it, but taking actual, concrete action for candidates like Bernie is the only way to actually fix it.

No candidate is ever inevitable and no candidate is ever doomed -- that is not how democracy works. A society that continually wishes to achieve political change in the most passive way possible is not a society that will ever achieve political change. A candidate is only inevitable or doomed if the voting public decides that to be the case...."

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. There's a message that always resonates with voters
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:30 PM
Jun 2015

It worked so well for Stevenson, McGovern, Mondale....

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
18. Thank you for pointing this out.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 12:00 AM
Jun 2015

It is better not to tell potential voters that they have their head misplaced.

I like Bernie. I also like Hillary. I think either could win the whole enchilada.

It just seems a bit early to be exploding my head everyday over all this minutiae.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
25. Stevenson ran against a popular war hero
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:08 AM
Jun 2015

McGovern and Mondale ran against entrenched incumbents. One of them was a dirty trickster whose "plumbers" broke into the national headquarters of the Democratic Party a few months before the election, then a couple of weeks later he pulled an "October surprise" by announcing the imminent end of American involvement in the Vietnam War, thereby taking one of McGovern's main campaign issues away from him.

Mondale shot himself in the foot by promising to raise people's taxes. He was also tied to the "failed" presidency of Jimmy Carter.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
26. And GHWB was just as entrenched and dirty as Nixon, but Clinton beat him
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:12 AM
Jun 2015

Because he ran as a centrist.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
27. Bush showed how out of touch he was with the average citizen
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:20 AM
Jun 2015

by, among other things, being totally amazed with supermarket scanners and thinking that $19 was a reasonable price for a loaf of bread. There was also that recession that hit toward the end of his term. Not to mention the "Read my lips! No new taxes!" thing where he ended up raising taxes after all. And he was also a pretty lousy campaigner. The only reason why he won in '88 was that his opponent was an even lousier campaigner.

Well, that, and the Willie Horton ads.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
31. Bush the smarter
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:38 PM
Jun 2015

sank himself in that grocery store. His cluelessness was difficult to quantify. He was also, as you point out, a horrible campaigner. He had the same common touch as Thurston Howell III.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
79. Clinton didn't run as a centrist
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 02:09 AM
Jun 2015

Read his 1992 acceptance speech

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25958

Bush was clearly out of touch-- He had no idea about how the average person lived, as exemplified by his amazement at supermarket scanners, and thinking that $19 was a reasonable price for a loaf of bread. There was also a recession at the time which Bush did not acknowledge ("It's the economy, stupid!&quot . Bush was also a lousy campaigner who was running against a charismatic and youthful opponent.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
51. hmm
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jun 2015

McGovern was also sabotaged by bitter old guard bastards within the democratic party that were upset that the he managed to win the primary and preferred to throw it to Nixon over losing control of the apparatus.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
63. Thank you Art!
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 06:59 PM
Jun 2015

I lived through all of that, and more. My first vote was '64. Not a happy one..

Neither the country nor the voters were ready for those good men, they chose the dark side instead. I started running away a lot after that; two Peace Corps stints in Africa and other extended overseas residencies.

Still I never lost my hope that the right person would come along at the right time. We thought we were there in 2008 and got a little let down on that one, but it's hard not to feel the difference in both the country and the voters now. We can learn a lot from the past, but let's not use it against ourselves. Let's take the lessons and more on and make it work this time.

Bernie is not a longshot at this point in history. He is the President the country needs and the voters, you know those real people that live in scattered places outside "The Beltway," once they hear him and the passion he brings recognize he is the real deal and has doable solutions.

GO BERNIE

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
81. My memory of presidential campaigns goes back to 1968
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 04:33 AM
Jun 2015

I can't remember a time since then when I have been as enthusiastic about a presidential candidate as I am with Bernie.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
58. So what's your point? The Populist Movement should just go home and leave the
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:48 PM
Jun 2015

government to Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street? Frack that schit. I recognize that the billionaires and their hand picked candidates have unlimited resources, but some of us are going to fight anyway.

The billionaires are not going to solve our poverty, infrastructure, domestic spying, continuous warring, and gross inequality problems. We will have to fight for solutions. Sounds like you are not with us.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. That headline would make a great bumper sticker
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:37 PM
Jun 2015

I have no idea for whom I will vote in the primary. I'd like to see some debates first.

I'd like to see Bernie Sanders do well. He's a great guy and I like him a lot.

"If you won't vote for me, you have your head up your ass" would certainly be a novel approach. I surely hope that Sen. Sanders is more clueful than some who purport to support him.
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
44. yup...and exactly just as I had reminded a Bernie supporter just this morning
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 03:00 PM
Jun 2015

They really are not doing him and his campaign any favors.....in fact I think it's contrary to his campaign methods.

INdemo

(7,024 posts)
6. Bernie Sanders is a candidate of what the Democratic party used to be
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jun 2015

before they sold out to the corporate mafia and Wall St.

Bernie is a candidate of The party of FDR,Harry Truman,JFK and Hubert Humphrey and Jimmy Carter



If you like Hillary you cant like her as well as Goldman Sachs.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
32. Exactly.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jun 2015

Though to be fair, Carter deliberately chose to separate himself from the Humphrey/LBJ/FDR history of the party. Which is why I supported Mo Udall and then Jerry Brown in the primaries that year.

He's been a shining example of what an ex-president can and should be, but he was the first Dem to drink the Chicago School Kool-Aid of deregulation.

My reasons for disliking HRC are limited strictly to her chosen alliances, her hawkishness, and that she is joined at the hip to the MIC and the billionaire class.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
66. No one who lauds war criminal Henry Kissinger as a defender of human rights
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:07 PM
Jun 2015

and pals around with human sewage like Lloyd Blankfein - chief of the Vampire Squid Brigade - has any business being in the WH regardless of their gender. It is that simple to me. I would oppose any male Dem with the same kinds of associations and policies who might be running for president just as fervently.

Bernie is for the PEOPLE, not those who want to enslave the people.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. Yeah, nothing will help counter the "elitist liberals" image like nominating a New England socialist
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:15 PM
Jun 2015

and then complaining that the electorate was too stupid to really understand him...

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
15. Or by nominating a member of America's "royal family"
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:42 PM
Jun 2015

Are they not an elit?...but Sanders is because he comes from Vermont?

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
54. Would you like to help put up posts for us?
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:22 PM
Jun 2015

If you want to support Sanders you are welcome to jump in with the rest of us amatuers and help out! I personally welcome anyone that wants to step up to the plate in this little corner of cyberspace.

Dustlawyer

(10,539 posts)
17. Bernie is relying on the power of people who have had enough of pre-packaged, corrupt candidates.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:55 PM
Jun 2015

Bernie supporters will have to do more than send $25 to his campaign and he knows that. It is up to us. He doesn't have donors paying writers to write glowing articles about him like the rest do. (Yes they do that, have you seen how little they make?)

Bernie has long odds because of a variety of factors, all unrelated to his policies which are common sense solutions to our worst problems. The biggest factor in my opinion is people want to back a winner. When our candidates strength is determined by how much campaign bribes they have taken in the most recent financial reporting period you know we have a totally jacked up election system rife with corruption. This is the root cause of most of our problems! I don't want to hear any of that SCOTUS John Roberts crap that there is no Quid Pro Quo, the Princeton University study that demonstrated that "It's the money stupid!" No other candidate is really talking about fixing our corrupt campaign finance system. I would like to get Hillary's honest answer to the question, "What do you have to do for all of that money?" We should show up at all campaign events with signs stating how much that candidate has raised to date and ask this question. Imagine hundreds of people with only those two signs, the dollar figure they raised and what do they have to do for the $$$$!
It is my hope that enough Americans hear Bernie's message and decide they have had enough of the same old corruption and influence peddling to break out of this rut we have been in. Bernie knows it will take nothing short of a peaceful revolution to make the macro changes we need to save our country and our environment. He knows that it will take tens of millions of Americans almost Occupy style, but with a lot more people. I for one will do everything I can to try to make it happen!
To all Hillary supporters, I hope you can honestly consider her answer to that question. I do respect you passion for her and I will admit we can do a lot worse than Hillary in this election, but we can do no better than elect Bernie!

McKim

(2,426 posts)
22. I am for Bernie's Platform and He Walks the Talk
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 12:24 AM
Jun 2015

I am supporting Senator Sanders because he has the best platform, best ideas and the best track record of following through on his convictions and promises. Obama? No follow through, words, words.

bonniebgood

(958 posts)
23. but, But, But Hillary said she will listen...........to teachers,
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 12:24 AM
Jun 2015

'feel your pain' if you elect her. what's the problem?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
35. That she will head off for dinner and drinks with the likes of Blankfein and war criminal Kissinger
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:42 PM
Jun 2015

after pretending to give a shit about the common people.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,707 posts)
28. That's a line that will convince a lot of people
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jun 2015

Not!

I have a lot of respect for Sanders but I don't know why some of his supporters think flinging shit will win people over.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
73. Perhaps...
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:01 PM
Jun 2015

you could ask the same of Hillary supporters.

Or maybe you prefer a more passive aggressive form of shit slinging.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,707 posts)
76. How childish
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:14 PM
Jun 2015

"But they do it too."

Maybe you should follow Bernie's example. He seems like a class act.

And for what it's worth Hillary wasn't the topic.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
30. The media has lost it's power to pick a candidate after they helped Dubya lie us into a war.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:35 PM
Jun 2015
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
34. IKR!? That is IT right there!
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:42 PM
Jun 2015

That is why they have ZERO change of winning...people don't forget.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,876 posts)
36. Don't kid yourself.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:42 PM
Jun 2015

Keep in mind the extremely short attention span of the average American.

Large numbers of people in this country deny facts on a regular basis. I reguarly come across people who are convinced that THE major problem with government spending is welfare and food stamps.

The (by now) old adage is increasingly true; "While it is true not all Republicans are stupid, most stupid people are Republicans"

And there are a shit ton of them.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
39. FOX "News" viewers are going to vote for the "R" anyway....
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:50 PM
Jun 2015

If they live long enough....



Young people don't believe the TV newz. They're coming out for Bernie BIG TIME on social media.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,876 posts)
42. I certainly hope so....
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jun 2015

but I have yet to see any polling data that tells me the split in the electorate has changed very much. We are still a nation of 35 to 40% liberal, the same numbers conservative and the rest in the middle.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
45. There was a recent poll where Liberals now outnumber Conservatives....
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 03:15 PM
Jun 2015

Also, a lot of these polls are rigged to favor Conservatives.

Gallup admitted they were throwing out responses from Democrats and calling the result "Likely Voters" because they claimed Democrats don't show up half the time to actually vote.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
33. It is NOT Americans, it IS the M$M and the other paid for corporate shrills pretending he cannot win
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jun 2015

BUT I hope they keep it up! People can decide for themselves...and that SCARES the shit out of the PTB! Must NOT have people making decisions for themselves! Could be dangerous!

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
37. The more successful Bernie is,
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:43 PM
Jun 2015

the more the M$M will be loading its collective trousers. He fits NONE of their predigested formulas.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
38. AND the 'Dean Scream' character assassination will not work this time.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:45 PM
Jun 2015

Yeah the M$M is shitting a pants load over this!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
41. That was a masterful work of art...Wolfie got his ass handed to him then put in a doggy bag to go!!!
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:52 PM
Jun 2015
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
43. The look of absolute amazement on his mug,
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:56 PM
Jun 2015

like a cricketer who had just been whacked smartly over the head with his own bat, was priceless. Pwned doesn't begin to describe it.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
47. sorry but your thread title sucks. The article is great and I notice they used an appropriate title.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:05 PM
Jun 2015

so I'm recc'ing this for the linked article.

But imo your thread title is offensive, unfair, untrue and very unhelpful.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
49. You might try sending HuffingtonPost editors a complaint email
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:11 PM
Jun 2015

for CHANGING their header AFTER the fact.

I just checked with the article's link only to find their original header (as I originally posted) has been changed.


I am adjusting my header.....



Thanks for the heads up.......

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
52. thank you. I didn't realize they had changed it after the fact
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:19 PM
Jun 2015

I thought it was your title.

I'm glad they changed it because it did suck as a title. I feel better now knowing you didn't write it!

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
55. Thanks....
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:22 PM
Jun 2015

Yes, I did change the header after realizing they had made adjustments also. They're still showing some portion of their original header within their url path.

Its all good now...

 

SaranchaIsWaiting

(247 posts)
48. Bernie has a good heart and a great mind.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:06 PM
Jun 2015

We are very lucky for him to go through this political gauntlet and harsh mess for us all.

I appreciate that very much, Mr. Sanders! Keep it real, I know you will. Don't let them get to you!

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
70. His point is to enter every thread about Bernie and attempt to throw cold water on it
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:59 PM
Jun 2015

It's a "conservative Democrat" (sic) thing, apparently.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
75. Yes so true. Some might say that is being disruptive, but conservative Democrats
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:04 PM
Jun 2015

seem to wield a lot of power here although in the minority.

 

diamondhead

(54 posts)
61. He doesn't stand a chance in hell
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 05:49 PM
Jun 2015

I worry about the general election if Democrats actually nominate him. An old, north eastern Jew who calls himself a socialist is going to take the south and the midwest how, exactly?

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
83. Um, okay.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 03:33 PM
Jun 2015
Don't make it about socialism either, now. FDR and Martin Luther King, Jr. both got called socialists in their day, so good luck arguing that it's a step in the wrong direction, Sanders just happens to use the label. ...snip... Also, one quick thing, he's a democratic socialist. There's a difference." target="_blank"> One word. An entire word that references a completely different set of policies, a different set of foreign examples. Granted, the U.S. has had a major issue with communism in the past century, and communists tends to associate themselves with socialism, and some people argue that it's difficult to get Americans to even understand the difference between the two.


Well, the rest of the piece was alright. But this is just stupidity coupled with a bit of arrogance.

First:
FDR and Martin Luther King, Jr. both got called socialists in their day

Well, maybe that's because MLK was a socialist by the end of his life?

Second:

Granted, the U.S. has had a major issue with communism in the past century, and communists tends to associate themselves with socialism, and some people argue that it's difficult to get Americans to even understand the difference between the two

This author has no clue what communism is any more than the Americans he thinks are too stupid to understand. The US had a major issue with communism? Wtf? When? And yeah, socialists associate with communists. Maybe that's because they have a lot in common--certainly more so with each other than with capitalism, which appears to be what the author is trying to get us to believe.

Summary: "socialism isn't bad, so don't be mad at Sanders, but it's okay because he isn't even a socialist and he's definitely not a dirty commie". Smh.
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