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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSpain has first diptheria case in 30 years. VACCINATE YOUR ****ING CHILDREN
What the hell is the matter with people?!!? VACCINATE YOUR G-D D----D CHILDREN!!!http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/spain-s-first-case-diphtheria-28-years-due-lack-vaccination
Diphtheria is a bacterial infection that spreads through coughing or sneezing, according to the World Health Organization. Once infected, sufferers can experience a sore throat, fever and swollen glands in the neck. Diphtheria can lead to serious complications even with treatment, with 10% of cases resulting in death. Spains Health Ministry had to scramble to find the drug to treat the child as there had not been a case of diphtheria in Spain for almost 28 years due to the countrys high vaccination coverage (over 95%). The antitoxin was eventually delivered from Moscow to Barcelona by the Russian ambassador.
The family is devastated and admit that they feel tricked, because they were not properly informed, Catalan public health chief Antoni Mateu told El País. They have a deep sense of guilt, which we are trying to rid them of.
The child remains in critical condition in Vall dHebron hospitals intensive care unit, but is responding to treatment. Health officials have launched an investigation to find the original carrier, which they admit could be difficult if the carrier isnt showing any symptoms. All those in contact with the child are under surveillance, and his classmates have been checked to see if theyve been vaccinated. As a cautionary procedure, they have also given the children preventive medicine.
3catwoman3
(23,988 posts)...of a 6 yr old who was sooooooooooooooooo relieved that her daughter did not have any immunizations due at this visit. After her boosters at the 5 yr visit, the little girl developed a rash on her butt 8 weeks later - not 8 minutes, not 8 hours, not 8 days. In talking with other moms, this parent had one other parent report, "OMG, the exact same thing happened to my son." She is now convinced that there was a casual relationship between the rash and the boosters shots. Now, I don't remember much at all from the one statistics course I suffered thru, but I do remember that a sample size of N=2 does not allow you to draw any meaningful conclusions.
She took the child to a dermatologist, who diagnosed eczema/contact dermatitis. Mom doesn't agree, and has been treating it with Epsom salts, "because they really pull the toxins out."
I did not faint from shock when the mom said she home schools.
Hekate
(90,690 posts)....because a membrane could be seen closing off the airway, causing death from suffocation unless a tracheotomy could be performed in time, and even then survival was not assured.
Oh gods, the stupidity. When I think of all the girls not vaccinated for rubella (part of the MMR vaccine) -- some of them are going to be seriously upset at the completely preventable birth defects of their own infants if they catch rubella during pregnancy.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)and I certainly hope my children have not been damned
Zynx
(21,328 posts)It's a way of expressing outrage.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)It's a subtle type of humor.
diamondhead
(54 posts)And then, vaccinate your GODDAMN children.
And maybe people ought to listen.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)"Fucking children" are probably too old for a parent to vaccinate (though maybe there are exceptions). And the category would definitely not include infants and toddlers, who are those in the greatest need of vaccinations.
Also, a parent who views his children as damned probably isn't the sort who would love them enough to vaccinate them.
diamondhead
(54 posts)He's talking about YOUR children.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)if you have some "fucking children", or some GDed children, but he's definitely not talking about any of mine.
Mine are all old enough to be responsible for their own vaccinations.
diamondhead
(54 posts)Because if you didn't vaccinate your adult offspring when they WERE children, you contribute to the problem.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)at the time my first granddaughter was born two years ago. She needed us to be safe because she couldn't start her vaccines till she was 2 months old (the same age her parents and uncles started theirs.)
If you haven't had an adult booster, then YOU are part of the problem.
http://www.adultvaccination.org/vpd/pertussis/facts.html#sthash.vIujZVk6.dpuf
Who should get the Tdap vaccine?
The CDC recommends that adults age 19 to 64 years receive a single dose of Tdap in place of the next Td (tetanus-diphtheria) booster recommended every 10 years. CDC also recommends a Tdap vaccine for adults age 65 years and older who have, or who anticipate having close contact with an infant younger than 12 months. In addition, the CDC has issued recommendations for specific adult populations to get a Tdap booster without waiting for the usual 10-year interval for Td; this includes:
Pregnant women preferably late in the second trimester or during the third trimester (after 20 weeks). If she is not vaccinated during pregnancy, then she should be vaccinated immediately after delivery, before discharge from the hospital or birthing center.
Adults, regardless of age, who have or who anticipate having close contact with infants younger than 12 months (eg, parents, grandparents younger than 65 years of age, childcare providers), ideally at least two weeks before beginning close contact with the infant.
All healthcare personnel in hospitals or ambulatory care settings. Priority is given to vaccination of workers in direct contact with infants younger than 12 months.
Rex
(65,616 posts)It is rhetorical at this point.
Warpy
(111,261 posts)and these parents don't realize that they're exposing their kiddies to disability or even death by trying to priss around the public health laws and avoid vaccinating them.
We've already seen measles and whooping cough epidemics. The next one might be polio and the consequences for anyone who gets that one are devastating.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Depressing even.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)First, Measles was eradicated from the US in 2000? Not according to the WHO. The Disney outbreak was even less than other years after 2000. Hmm.
Second? Look at the disparity in the number of diphtheria and pertussis cases. Are these parents picking and choosing their vaccinations for there kids? They are giving their kids a diphtheria vaccination (almost eradication) but not the pertussis vaccination (extremely high numbers). Impossible since it is a combination vaccine and has been since the 1940's. Sounds to me that the pertussis vaccine doesn't work very well (going back a long time ago). Maybe everyone needs a yearly pertussis vaccination, not just little children?
Don't believe everything the media (government?) tells you.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)You're comparing one incident, the Disney outbreak, to the entire baseline of cases for an entire year. It would be like saying a weekend crime wave in a city where 20 people get shot isn't worth worrying about since there were 14,000 homicides nationwide last year.
Secondly, viruses have different levels of infectiousness. Not all things we vaccinate for are equally contagious. In fact, they're all different. Hence, your comparison of Diphtheria and Pertussis is not all that relevant.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Isn't that what was said? Read the insert box on the page:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/diphtheria/fs-parents.html
"A childhood vaccination does not last a lifetime". You have to depend on adults getting a booster too (TD, Tdap). Are they? Who did this child catch this from? Where?
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)So I am not sure what you're actually arguing here.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)LOOK.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Just pointing out that there is literally no context for you to bring it up.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)CDC "recommends" an adult Tdap (diphtheria) booster. How about that TD (again diphtheria) every 10 years? So you just ASSUME that lack of childhood vaccinations cause this disease? Diphtheria is being brought back by parents of young children refusing vaccinations? Really think the majority enough for Herd Immunity) of adults are getting either of these boosters? You want a scapegoat and that is "anti-vax" parents, when adults are not getting their own boosters.
My last DPT vaccination was in the 1950s. Still good???????? No? Tough. Maybe you can pass more legislation keeping us out of public schools.
Yeah, I get very mad when you use little children/their parents as your scapegoats. Fight us adults refusing vaccinations for ourselves.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Get off the cross.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)The case in Spain from the op is its first case in 29 years.
By the way, Spanish authorities have confirmed 8 children who came in contact with the infected unvaccinated boy have tested positive for diphtheria. However, all 8 were vaccinated and have shown no symptoms. Imagine if they were unvaccinated, we would be dealing with an outbreak right now. Vaccinate children on time, take boosters on time. Be part of the solution, not the problem.
Info on the other 8 from http://m.thelocal.com/20150608/eight-more-children-infected-with-diphtheria
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Fight us adults refusing vaccinations for ourselves...."
I'd rather simply point and giggle bemusedly than fight. <points and giggles bemusedly> And not long afterwards, I'll hang my head in sadness and frustration at another in the long line of irrational responses the under-educated have in regards to science...
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)How are you going to KNOW what vaccinations I have or haven't gotten? Just me? Try kids and other adults also. Armbands out in public like the Nazis did to identify the Jews?
You are going down a very dangerous slippery slope all in the name of "greater good", just as they said.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)After, perhaps, killing a few small children with something contagious. Hyperbole is fun!
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Response to HockeyMom (Reply #50)
Cal Carpenter This message was self-deleted by its author.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Direct correlation between introduction of vaccine and the drop in pertussis rates.
Where are the new cases coming from in the slight uptick recently? Funny you should ask, as it is coming primarily from those too young to be fully immunized.
Must important way to stop pertussis is to immunize on time beginning at 2 months and taking the boosters on time to build protection.
And if an unvaccinated 6 year caught it from someone who let there protection lapse, all the more reason to immunize children in case of herd immunization breakdown.
Other than medical necessity, there is zero reason to not follow the childhood vaccination schedule to the T.
Graphs from the CDC, by the way.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)The World Health Organization says OTHERWISE for the USA. Which is true?????? That is my point precisely. Maybe OUR government isn't telling the truth? Who has more of a reason to lie?
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Get your kids vaccinated on time. Get your kids boosters on time. Don't contribute to the problem.
That is the royal you, by the way.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)some of which can be fatal, and spreading those to other vulnerable people?
Because that's the only motive I can see for your continual attempts at obfuscation on issues of vaccination.
The only other option I can imagine is that you truly do not understand statistics and epidemiology *at all*, in which case you should probably spend more time reading the *actual words* in these reports and posts, and less time on the imaginary between-the-lines secrets that you seem to see.
Orrex
(63,212 posts)I simply read your posts and then choose the exact opposite position. Works every time.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Eradication means 12 straight months of no continuous disease transmission.
Yes, endemic measles was confirmed eradicated in the US in 2000. No, there weren't zero cases of measles in 2000. The US gets a lot of tourists and travel, many of them from places where measles is common, resulting in incidents inside the US.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)100%.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)and anti-vaxxers at DU should be treated the same as chemtrailers.
Sid
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)You managed to miss a lot of silliness on your hiatus.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)Chemtrailers aren't actively working to spread deadly infections. And both types should stay locked in the conspiracy theory section with the moon landing hoaxers and Holocaust deniers.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
ismnotwasm
(41,982 posts)They *are* the same as chemtrailers.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,620 posts)Stop already.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)However, they work enough that, in a world where most everyone medically-eligible has been vaccinated, those who don't develop immunity are protected nonetheless.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)I have a question, are you proud of you self for taking a stinking dump in this thread?
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)"That's what they do. THAT'S ALL THEY DO!"
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 9, 2015, 06:56 PM - Edit history (2)
Children aren't the only people who should be keeping up with their vaccinations. They are available for adults, too.
http://www.adultvaccination.org/vpd/pertussis/facts.html
Who should get the Tdap vaccine?
The CDC recommends that adults age 19 to 64 years receive a single dose of Tdap in place of the next Td (tetanus-diphtheria) booster recommended every 10 years. CDC also recommends a Tdap vaccine for adults age 65 years and older who have, or who anticipate having close contact with an infant younger than 12 months. In addition, the CDC has issued recommendations for specific adult populations to get a Tdap booster without waiting for the usual 10-year interval for Td; this includes:
Pregnant women preferably late in the second trimester or during the third trimester (after 20 weeks). If she is not vaccinated during pregnancy, then she should be vaccinated immediately after delivery, before discharge from the hospital or birthing center.
Adults, regardless of age, who have or who anticipate having close contact with infants younger than 12 months (eg, parents, grandparents younger than 65 years of age, childcare providers), ideally at least two weeks before beginning close contact with the infant.
All healthcare personnel in hospitals or ambulatory care settings. Priority is given to vaccination of workers in direct contact with infants younger than 12 months.
- See more at: http://www.adultvaccination.org/vpd/pertussis/facts.html#sthash.vIujZVk6.dpuf
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)tend to miss, rates among children are still very high, and very low among adults. If mandates are not applied to everyone of all ages, diseases will return, it' a matter of time.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)The Diphtheria vaccination only last for 10 years. I suppose that is why they included it in the Tetanus vaccination, recommend every 10 year.
Herd Immunity for Diphtheria and Pertussis?
http://www.medicaldaily.com/adult-vaccination-rates-rise-still-far-too-low-tdap-shots-only-13-percent-246702
85% of adults are needed to be vaccinated with boosters for Herd Immunity. With only 13% getting that Tdap shot (85% have gotten a tetanus TD booster?), is there any Herd Immunity? Pass laws mandating all children get vaccinated? That will not work for vaccinations which require boosters in adulthood.
Who travels on planes to foreign countries? Children or adults? I am simply saying that some people cannot see the forest (entire population) for the trees (little children).
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)I was last vaccinated in my 20's but only because I was in the military. I'm 42 and do not have any plans on getting them now, or any new ones for that matter. I have several allergies to both foods and medicines (developed after I left the Air Force, Hmmm..) so I put stock in eating well and the fact that I am OCD about everything (also didn't become that way until after the Air Force, Heh..)
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Adults have the right to refuse medical treatment. Vaccinations are medical treatment which I refuse. Regarding your post While my SIL went out and got all this CDC vaccinations, he could not force his own wife to get her's while pregnant, or after. So how could he, or certainly SHE, demand vaccinations for grandparents, aunts, uncles, neighbors, or anybody else around the newborn? Kinda hypocritical if they did, don't you think?
I even had this argument with SIL's father. "What do you mean you haven't gotten Tdap? Me? Tell that to your DIL who did not get HER'S.
Anyway, back to OT. Sorry, guys, have never had a TD. let alone Tdap. Does that scare you? Or you just fear unvaccinated little children?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)of their fanatical, ignorant, pathetic, selfish parents
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)for the child abuse hands of his mother, aunts, grandparents. Prosecute all of us for child abuse for not vaccinating him, or ourselves to protect him.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)health that failure to vaccinate causes.
anti-vaxxers are a public health menace.
Oneironaut
(5,495 posts)Yes, you can avoid vaccinations, but you should also know the risk that brings, rather than Internet blog-born nonsense spouted by someone whose medical degree is from Prison Planet University.
By not vaccinating your kids, you are putting them in danger of getting the diseases that the vaccines are for. That is a irrefutable fact. Ultimately, it is up to you (as in the person refusing the vaccine), but people deserve to know the risks.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)HockeyMom has made her disdain for vaccinations clear. There's really no need to engage with her.