I'll admit it: I'm genuinely frightened by the possibility of a Republican President

[YoungDemCA]

If (heaven forbid...) a Republican wins the White House in 2016, and the Republicans continue to hold both houses of Congress, that means that the GOP will control all three branches of government in the next couple of years. At a time when a growing majority of Americans are gradually moving in a liberal direction on a wide variety of issues, the disconnect between a great number of Americans and their government will be even greater than ever.

Not to mention, all the horrible things that an unencumbered, hard-line, far-right Republican Presidency, Congress, and Supreme Court will be able to "accomplish" together. It will be like the peak of the Bush/Cheney years, but on steroids.

Sorry to sound alarmist, but I just don't think we can afford something like this. The worst-case scenario here is a very real possibility.

(Don't even get me started on the likelihood of another Republican-driven war happening! )

[hollysmom]

1. h ha , I remember when Bush won hw upset I was,

and people would say, how bad could he be. Who even thought about Cheney then,

[KamaAina]

11. When exactly did Bush* win?

[hollysmom]

25. he won the scotus vote

[KamaAina]

38. A fitting post

right after Vincent Bugliosi died.

[calimary]

51. Yeah, no shit.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Prosecution-George-Bush-Murder/dp/B001IWO88O

[lark]

58. Wash your fingers with strong soap!

GW didn't win once. The first time he was just selected by SCOTUS in an act of criminal country destroying infamy, and the 2nd time he won by the changes made by paid hackers in the OH vote.

[INdemo]

66. I dont believe George W Bush ever won an election in his life

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I think Karl Rove got a hold of Bush Jr.and carved a way for him to win. He could have rigged the election/s for Governor, you know Diebold machines. Then in 2000 he did not win but the Supreme Court appointed him.
In 2004 Kerry won by winning Ohio but the then Sec. of State found away to conceal votes belonging to Kerry and Walla, Bush and Rove was able to pull off another theft.

There were thousands of votes missing and at least 150,000 that probably belonged Kerry but Sec of State Black would not admit were missing.

[Cosmocat]

61. I fucking KNEW he would be bad

I still have visual memory of the evening ...

And, yeah, somehow it was worse than I thought.

Giving the jackasses managing that moron 9-11 to leverage ...

[ailsagirl]

80. It was a thousand times worse than I thought it would be

[Spitfire of ATJ]

62. My first reaction was to turn to my brother and say, "That's it! We're going to war."

[gopiscrap]

2. OMG can you imagine

a numnut like Cruz...God help us.

[ProfessorGAC]

7. More Worrisome yet. . .

. . .is that someone wins the nomination and has Cruz, who then has nothing to lose, as VP. He would be a maniac knowing we don't elect VP's to president anymore. He'd be as bad as Cheney. Maybe not as malevolent, but a buffoon and a nutjob with little to lose? Yikes

[gopiscrap]

8. Damnit now I am going to nighmares!

Thanks a lot!

[ProfessorGAC]

22. You're Most Welcome!

I do my best. Although i'm not sure giving people nightmares is a good thing to be proud of.

[calimary]

52. Yeah, no shit, Chapter 2!

[trusty elf]

40. .........

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[MBS]

3. What scares me most of all is

their determined assault on the environment, and their contempt for science and for facts in general.And the damage they could do environmentally would be irreversible.
Whatever your beef with that or that Democratic candidate, wake up: there IS a BIG difference between the Democrats and Republicans.

[grasswire]

9. also consider their *wish* for "the rapture"

The confluence of religious crazies, profiteers, and warmongers is something I do not look forward to.

But here's something else that scares me. I suspect that Jeb would not be running had the Bush cabal not already set in place the ways to FIX the election. He wouldn't run if they didn't already know they could steal it.

[MoonRiver]

15. ^^^ this

But I don't think it's just bush. I feel that Walker has stolen a few.

[NJCher]

43. It could be even worse than you imagine

...had the Bush cabal not already set in place the ways to FIX the election.

I heard a radio commentator (not credible, I found out later) say that Jeb has 100 million already in campaign funds. Is that true? If it is, it's very troublesome. There are all kinds of things you can do/buy with that kind of money.

Then the commentator essentially went on to say what others on this thread are saying. He said we've already lost the democracy. I doubt too many here would disagree. Also that this election will just put the finishing touches on what they were able to achieve with gw.

The commentator lost credibility with me at one point because he said something that was insulting to Arabs.

I then looked him up, and his reputation is that of a rightwinger, however, on this show, his points were more like what you hear at DU.

His name is Craig Hulett. He maintains the country has been on this trajectory since the death of JFK.

Now, to make my point, take it a step farther: If bushco gets in again, it will be another free-for-all for defense contractors. More war. More people dying, and more immigration problems because of being unable to live in an uninhabitable country. More budget deficits.

How long is the world going to put up with this way of making money on the part of the United States? That's what this country does: it sets up conflicts and then sells armaments to fund both sides. It pays propagandists to fool the electorate into thinking there is a threat and that we have to control that threat.

At some point, some leader(s) from a country with the military or economic might is going to do something drastic, and that is all because Americans have failed to realize what these people are all about. That drastic thing could be a nuclear weapon or some action that would cause economic devastation.


Cher

[upaloopa]

10. Not to mention selling all the National Parks,

ALEC writing Federal legislation, closing HUD, Closing the EPA, DOE,
Bringing back child labor, ending overtime, no unions public or private, Chrstianity as a state religion, no Medicare no Medicaid no social security no welfare programs, federal sales tax no tax on the 1%

[freshwest]

17. That's their plan. They are no longer being hiding their plans. MSM provides the echo chamber. n/t

[Iliyah]

34. No more constructive education for all Americans, especially ages K - 12

Most Americans will not be allowed to vote. Civil rights gone and the GOP's form of Christianity thrust upon the masses or else.

Unlimited wars, suffering and pain.

Democracy dead, one party rule.

et al

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

41. Now that is the fodder for nightmares.... Eom

[BlancheSplanchnik]

36. My biggest fear too.

I would like to know how to move to Norway.

[calimary]

53. Yeah, no shit, Chapter 3!

[whatchamacallit]

4. Who isn't?

So we should get out there and work hard for the democratic candidate of our choice, right? Or did you have some other notion...

[Donald Ian Rankin]

16. A lot of DUers,

who claim to see no difference between the two parties and to be fed up with voting for "lesser evils". N.T.

[whatchamacallit]

19. No, I think they're frightened by the prospect too

They're just tired of being locked in the political nightmare of having to emulate republicans to beat them.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

24. yup. you don't 'win' by always choosing the candidate most like those you supposedly are scared of.

You just get to the scary parts more slowly.

[Ed Suspicious]

39. I don't think it could be said much better than this.

[LanternWaste]

57. If they're frightened by the prospect of a GOP administration

If they're frightened by the prospect of a GOP administration, and also believe there are no differences between the parties, one can only surmise they will be frightened by the prospect of a Democratic president as well...

The conclusion necessarily being predicated one both premises...

[Betty Karlson]

5. You and pretty much the whole world

The 25 % of Americans voting for Republican presidential candidates excepted.

[Triana]

6. You're not the only one! n/t

[Romulox]

12. That may well be the consequence of shoving the Establishment's candidate down America's throat. nt

[NuclearDem]

20. You know candidates don't actually lose the general

because they're "not liberal/conservative" enough?

That's just what each party's respective base tries to use as an "I told you so", despite their candidate of choice being far less electable.

[MoonRiver]

13. It would be our worst nightmare.

As you said "bush on steroids."

[jwirr]

14. And this fear is not a "Cheney" fear. It is real. We need to get the word out. Some of what we are

all saying here must be remembered and used in editorials in local newspapers just before the election so that everyone keeps it fresh in their minds. But that is a long way off. We have work to do before then.

[Sheepshank]

18. given every single batchit crazy Republican that has and will announce their candidacy

I completely feel your concern.

It will be a complete and utter time warp back to no unions, no health, maybe women could vote with husbands permission, no legal abortion, etc etc etc.

[NuclearDem]

21. Don't worry, I have it on good authority there's no real difference between the two parties.

Something something corporate something something Goldman Sachs something something oligarchy.

[jeff47]

23. Well, when our frontrunner makes a speech about how willing she is to compromise with Republicans

that takes away a vast swath of difference.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026802170

"Good news! I got the minimum wage raised to $8/hr! And I only had to trade away Social Security to get it!"

[Peregrine Took]

26. I was saying that to my husband last night - this bunch is particularly rancid.

I don't really have any great connection to living here - I'm first generation Irish so i have Irish citizenship. There's that.

[Lint Head]

27. Politics are cyclical but with the GOP it will be just plain sick..

[MineralMan]

28. It's a real risk. It could happen very easily,

if we don't stay on top of our GOTV activism in 2016.

[riqster]

37. This year, too!

GOTFV!

[MineralMan]

42. Yes. We have city and county elections

this year where I am. GOTV!

[riqster]

45. Me too.

[calimary]

54. Yeah, no shit, Chapter 4!

[ismnotwasm]

29. Me too

Just got back from a camping trip in a Republican country. Half the country (more or less) thinks like that.

[Rex]

30. I'm not at all.

They have zero chance.

[lutefisk]

48. I thought the same thing about Junior Bush... nt

[Rex]

49. I didn't, I knew they were going to cheat by the time it went to Florida and Jeb Bush.

YES they can win if they cheat...otherwise not a chance. WHO has a chance in the GOP party and why? Tell me.

Nobody.

[valerief]

31. I am, too. nt

[99Forever]

32. I'd take that one step further.

I don't want a Republican Lite in the WH capitulating to the Teapublicans and carrying water for the. 01%.



Bernie Sanders 2016

[jalan48]

33. So much for idealism. American's have become a scared little group.

What will it take to wake us up? Perhaps it has to get worse before it gets better. I remember horror stories my grandfather told us about miner's organizing unions in the last century. It looks like we are regressing back to those days. Our choice is really bad and not so bad. That's the best we can do?

[mountain grammy]

35. I honestly believe, if a Republican is elected president,

we will have 100,000+ boots on the ground somewhere in the middle east within 6 months.

[Iliyah]

44. I'll call you and raise

3 months . . .

[heaven05]

46. not alarmist at all

reality based critical thinking. Just fight for our candidate whoever that might be. Take our loss with grace if the democratic party choice is not ours and make sure the RW does not finish their coup d'etat of 2000. Power to the People!!!

[Jack Rabbit]

47. If the Republicans win the White House, you'll know the election was rigged

No Republican already announced or likely to announce will beat any of the Democrats running or likely to run. Bernie Sanders will beat Jeb Bush, although he won't win any Southern states; Hillary Clinton will also beat Jeb Bush, although she won't carry any southern states, either, and that election may be closer due to lower voter turnout.

[lonestarnot]

50. We cannot let that happen.

[lark]

55. Odds are exactly 100% that a Repug president would start a war.

One thing we could count on - bizzarro time would be here in strength, and nothing good would come of it. Working poor and imprisoned folks numbers would skyrocket and middle class squeezed to nothing.

[StevieM]

56. ITA. It is frightening to imagine what a Scott Walker presidency would do to this country. (eom)

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

59. The Republican Party is already in the ashheap of History. They're just too dumb to notice.

No President for you!

[MoonRiver]

67. They own the voting machines. n/t

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

70. What about 2008 and 2012? Why didn't they rig those elections?

[MoonRiver]

71. Maybe it wasn't close enough.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

72. If they controlled the machines it wouldn't matter.

They already dumped the exit polling.

[MoonRiver]

73. You might want to read this.

http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article17139890.html

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

75. Thanks, but I have to go - maybe later -bye!

[MoonRiver]

76. See ya!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

77. OK but we were talking about national elections and specifically the presidency.

But it doesn't matter. Have a good night!

[BlueMTexpat]

60. I am literally terrified at such

a possibility.

Yes, the worst-case scenario is real. Very real.

It's not just a possibility.

[yuiyoshida]

63. It scares me as well especially if they cheat to get that election or the

Supreme court hands it to them again.. like in 2000. We have to win the White house, and I think Bernie could really do it.. but again, if he doesn't I will support our democratic Candidate.

[blackspade]

64. Who in the GOP clown car do you see as a viable President?

A fifth grader has a better chance of being elected that one of those assholes.
All of them so far are damaged goods.
There is not one of our candidates that have thus far declared that couldn't beat this pack of fools.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

74. I guess we're the only 2 dissenters in this thread.

[frylock]

78. three

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

79. Good show!

[AtheistCrusader]

65. You ain't the only one.

:afraid:

[INdemo]

68. Yes a Republican could win and the reason is because of the votes being switched

and obviously technology has come along way since 2000 and 2004 and the process is no doubt easier.
In November of 2000 the Democrats in Congress said we will pass election laws to insure nothing like this happens again.
Well it happen again in 2004 and to this day Democrats and the rest of Congress has done nothing to insure fair elections.
In fact take a look at all the voters rights that were taken away. Take a look at all these unconstitutional voter ID laws.
Take a look at all the voter registrations that were purged (mostly or all Democratic voters)

So hell yes it could happen. We never ever thought that a dumb ass like Bush could ever be elected but he was, well he wasn't but he was appointed twice.

Look at 2012 Republicans thought they had pulled it off again in Ohio but the Obama people were on it and they were Repukes were unable to steal Ohio.

By the actions and expressions on Roves face on election night (Faux News) they were shocked they failed to do it.
I think Rove had assured Romney that it was in the bag and the fix was in but again the Obama's people did all the right things to protect their votes.

Let me just add this: The Odds of Walker winning that recall election were very slim.There was voter fraud by a county clerk but was brushed aside even before the recall election.

I think the Koch Brothers put up a tremendous amount of dollars to insure he won that. Now look at what they got for their money.
They got the right to work law and the union rights of public workers were disposed of. And many more Republican issues passed
So yes I think the Koch brothers are spending billions to get this in their favor

I also believe the 2014 election was decided long before November and Republicans knew they were going to win the Majority. That was one hell of a rout and too good to be fair. Why did McConnell take a huge lead in the polls almost overnight and there were many other races the same.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. All any of can do is work for the candidate we like and hope for the best./NT

[Skittles]

81. that is where it is headed

when you get Democrats acting like repukes much of the time, interest in voting for them wanes

[CK_John]

82. IMO, we have to ride the nutbag to the end of the line before we can bring back

sane government.

Another 4yrs of a lame duck POTUS may not be good for our long term interest. I don't see us winning anything except more stalemate.