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MrScorpio

(73,626 posts)
Sat May 12, 2012, 08:36 PM May 2012

It's the media that pushing a meme of gays vs. blacks, don't fall for it

Last edited Sat May 12, 2012, 09:30 PM - Edit history (1)

The enemies of ALL kinds of equality are pushing this Divide and Conquer theme.

It really doesn't exist… Because those that ARE pushing the theme can ALWAYS find someone to say exactly what they're looking for. It doesn't mean that that's what most black people believes.

Anyone, even those of us on DU can fall for this scheme. Just look at what happened to Huff Post:

First they report on the it:

NOM's Anti-Gay Marriage, Race-Dividing Plans Revealed In Secret Documents Obtained By HRC

The Human Rights Campaign (HRC) has gone public with a series of confidential documents which outline the National
Organization for Marriage's (NOM) multi-year plan to thwart the national campaign for marriage equality.

The documents reportedly emerged as part of an ongoing investigation by the state of Maine into NOM's illegal campaign finance practices, and reveal some of the group's racially-driven strategies:

"The strategic goal…is to drive a wedge between gays and blacks—two key Democratic constituencies. Find, equip, energize and connect African American spokespeople for marriage; develop a media campaign around their objections to gay marriage as a civil right; provoke the gay marriage base into responding by denouncing these spokesmen and women as bigots…"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/27/nom-anti-gay-marriage-plans-hrc-revealed_n_1382388.html


And later, they fall for it:

Obama Gay Marriage Announcement: Many Black Americans Shrug Off New View


ARDMORE, Pa. -- Like many black Americans, Dorsey Jackson does not believe in gay marriage, but he wasn't disillusioned when Barack Obama became the first president to support it. The windows of his suburban Philadelphia barbershop still display an "Obama 2012" placard and another that reads "We've Got His Back."

If Obama needs to endorse same-sex marriage to be re-elected, said Jackson, so be it: "Look, man – by any means necessary."

With that phrase popularized by the black radical Malcolm X, Jackson rebutted those who say Obama's new stand will weaken the massive black support he needs to win re-election in November. Black voters and especially black churches have long opposed gay marriage. But the 40-year-old barber and other African-Americans interviewed in politically key states say their support for Obama remains unshaken.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/12/obama-gay-marriage-announcement_n_1511545.html?1336832333&ref=black-voices


Do not allow yourself to be played.



Following his lengthy Sunday sermon on the matter, Rev. Reggie Longcrier of Hickory's Exodus Missionary Outreach Church sits down with RACE TO THE BALLOT to discuss why he's opposed to Amendment One.| http://www.racetotheballot.com
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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
3. I've never known any blacks to be anti-gay and vice versa. The main thing, as you say, is for us to
Sat May 12, 2012, 08:49 PM
May 2012

Not fall for what these guys are selling.
This is how they keep the poor, poor.

We are at fault if we buy this product while they rob us, because the ones selling this don't believe it. This is a diversion to keep our eyes off what they're doing to all of us.

Confront these clowns. Tell them we're not buying it now, that we all want our freedom to live without being stomped on by the people paying them.

We should ask the media selling this, is it too much to ask, not being robbed and being left to live in peace?

former9thward

(31,801 posts)
4. "It doesn't mean that that's what most most black people believes."
Sat May 12, 2012, 09:15 PM
May 2012
Does that mean we should ignore election voting patterns on this issue?

MrScorpio

(73,626 posts)
5. Black people are not the ones who are creating and promoting these types of ordinances
Sat May 12, 2012, 09:35 PM
May 2012

Blacks are also being heavily lobbied by groups like NOM to divide the traditional Democratic voting blocks.

What you're looking at is the result of that division, not the cause.

ruggerson

(17,483 posts)
11. The cause is religion
Sat May 12, 2012, 10:00 PM
May 2012

Some Christian evangelicals and some mormons, to be specific.

Institutionalized homophobia is brought to us by those who control the system: primarily white people. But since this ballot bashing, voting on other people's civil rights, has become the norm, it has exposed the underbelly of how insidious religion can become when it teaches hatred instead of acceptance and respect.

This has expressed itself in the percentages by which some minority groups have voted for these initiatives. Often because their "spiritual" leaders tell them to, over and over.

Luckily, time will take care of these snake oil salesmen and they will be replaced by younger Christian ministers who understand that the pulpit is to be used for good purposes, not evil ones.

In the meantime, of course, the people who are most harmed by all of this are lgbt people of color, who oftentimes have nowhere to turn.

MrScorpio

(73,626 posts)
13. The entire religious community is not anti-equality
Sat May 12, 2012, 10:09 PM
May 2012

Even in North Carolina, there was a coalition of Christian, Jewish and Muslim clergy who united to come out against it.

Just because there some religious bad actors, it doesn't mean that religion itself is the problem.

ruggerson

(17,483 posts)
15. You must have missed the part where I wrote
Sat May 12, 2012, 10:17 PM
May 2012

"Some evangelicals and some Mormons."

And where I pointed that younger Christian leaders will more than likely reverse the cycle of division and hate.

Until we acknowledge that these bad actors engender immense hostility towards lgbt Americans, and are partially responsible for an epidemic of lgbt teen suicide, we aren't going to move forward.

 

nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
18. Most Christian blacks will not favor same-sex "marriage" but most will embrace and love their own
Sat May 12, 2012, 11:37 PM
May 2012

gay family members.

alittlelark

(18,886 posts)
12. former9thward.
Sat May 12, 2012, 10:04 PM
May 2012

hmmmm.

You are a curious sort.

Sometimes they jump out and sometimes they just sit and fester.

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I'm assuming that's what you meant by "election voting patterns".

alittlelark

(18,886 posts)
9. You again? No, it is not exclusively male.
Sat May 12, 2012, 09:47 PM
May 2012

However the males are the ones who make it violent and hateful well over 90% of the time.


Argue that stat.

alittlelark

(18,886 posts)
16. You are the one that made the LEAP that it is 'EXCLUSIVELY MALE'
Sat May 12, 2012, 10:20 PM
May 2012

Funny, I never said that. I saw no one on the thread say that.

You said that.



And, Yes, I have seen you before.

We are both DUer's.

Ya.

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