DailyKos straw poll: Bernie 63%, Hillary 29%!

[peacebird]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/09/1391630/-First-Daily-Kos-Democratic-Primary-Straw-Poll?detail=hide

[ChairmanAgnostic]

1. heh

So much for someone's inevitability, a poise taken some years back (which failed miserably then, and will fail again this time around).

[yeoman6987]

6. I heard you could vote as many times as you wanted

A glitch happened according to the comments under the poll. I didn't vote so who knows. November 2016 can't come soon enough.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

14. you heard wrong

[Enthusiast]

65. That is incorrect.

[rhett o rick]

90. Comments are the least reliable source of information. nm

[MrScorpio]

2. Looks like the most definitive Internet poll to me nt

[Cal33]

92. I voted for Sanders, too. But I keep in mind that Kos is a Progressive source. I also believe

that there are far more Progressives here at DU than Third-Way Dems. I just wonder
what the ratio of those for Sanders and those for Clinton are out there in the general
public is like.

At the rate Sanders is making gains, I wouldn't be surprised if he should be way
ahead of Clinton in a few months.

[stevenleser]

3. Means as much as the DU straw poll, which once was won by Kucinich, IIRC. nt

[bobthedrummer]

22. I started many of those-Dennis never won one here stevenleser, Wes Clark and Howard Dean often did

Bernie in 2016!
K&R

[Dawgs]

29. You're kidding? Steven Leser is wrong. Impossible.

Just ask him.

[truebrit71]

49. ROFL!

[Enthusiast]

66. Only every time.

[morningfog]

80. Just ask him.

LOLOLOLOL.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. The former won one primary and the latter didn't win any.

I started many of those-Dennis never won one here stevenleser, Wes Clark and Howard Dean often did

The former won one primary and the latter didn't win any.



It's a shame because Wes would have been a good general election candidate.

[JDPriestly]

38. Wes Clark was great.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. I think not being a career politician hurt him in the primaries

His credibility was largely a function of his being an anti-war general but not just any anti-war general. He was the Supreme Allied Commander, the same position Dwight Eisenhower held.

In the debates John Kerry and Howard Dean went after him hard...If he was a career politician he would have fared better against the attacks.

I forgot which state he won; it was either a border or southern state.

[JDPriestly]

45. He had good character and very good ideas for a youth corps that would provide work and

job training for young Americans. I thought it was a great idea. My father did something similar in the FDR era. The kids got paid and their money went home in some cases to help their parents. They did public works projects. It wasn't instead of college. It was in addition to school.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. I voted for him in the DU polls

Back then it seemed Democrats had a much less strict litmus test. The candidate only needed to be pro choice, pro affirmative action, and pro glbtq rights.

Again, I liked Wes Clark a lot.

[kenfrequed]

56. Economics matter too

For a lot of Democrats economics always have mattered. Those three aspects were the absolute bare minimum most democrats required (though obviously the blue dogs in the south didn't even require that.)

We have been living with tax cuts ubber alles for three decades now with only slight corrections under Obama and Clinton.

We actually need more significant reforms and we really should have fixed the banker problem back during the bailout, honestly that was our best opportunity to create significant and lasting reform

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

55. Oklahoma, IIRC....

[Recursion]

81. Oklahoma (nt)

[MADem]

87. Arkansas, maybe? I see others have come up W/OK, the correct answer

He couldn't get elected dog catcher nowadays. His personal life is--to put it kindly-- a hot mess.

[KamaAina]

4. Well, that's Kos.

I imagine we would get similar results here.

[Ed Suspicious]

25. No need to imagine. We had around 1000 people vote and Bernie won by some 90%.

[brooklynite]

42. No...that was the FIRST DU poll...in the SECOND DU poll, his support dropped below 70%

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6735975

Now I suppose we could all agree that self-selecting internet polls are meaningless. All of them.

[truedelphi]

53. Sez you! n/t

[MADem]

88. They had EDWARDS IN A LANDSLIDE, too...

I wouldn't look to a seeded straw poll on the internet for anything but laughs. Most voters are light users of the net, if at all.

[cali]

5. meaningless in the real world

[jwirr]

7. Sure but fun.

[Cleita]

13. Not that meaningless. It does point to who is favored among

a certain demographic, mostly left wing internet denizens.

[JDPriestly]

39. Mostly among people who stay extremely well informed and are practically addicted to politics.

We are the activists who make the phone calls and spread the news to our families and friends. So it is a certain demographic all right, a very influential one.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

8. I think it's game over for Hillary.

[Tarheel_Dem]

12. You think an internet poll of DKos readers is "game over for Hillary"?

[obnoxiousdrunk]

15. I should have included the sarc tag.

In 2008 Dennis Kuchinich won the straw poll on DU.

[Tarheel_Dem]

18. !!!

[whatthehey]

9. Centrist DINO DLC Blue Dog Corporatist Republican Lite bastards.

Don't they realize REAL internet Democrats need a 60%+ spread between the two!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026768262


Now look at any real world poll and tell me that DU is a Centrist Bernie-hating HRC cess pit of Republicans and DLC shills. Honestly the denial about what DU represents (a partisan echo-chamber group far far to the left of the Dem party norm let alone the US as a whole) is one of its most frustrating features.

[Cheese Sandwich]

33. DU is not really " far far to the left"

It's more because people on the forum pay a lot of attention to politics

DU picks better candidates because the members are more politically savvy than the general public. Not surprising since it is a forum about politics.

The forum is not "far far to the left". Bernie Sanders' policies are supported by the majority of America. But people who follow politics closely are better at picking which candidates might actually fight for those policies.

[red dog 1]

54. + 1

Well stated!

[whatthehey]

93. Of course it is

A vanishingly small percentage of the US population, and only 10% of Democrats polled think Obama is "not liberal enough" for example.

Essentially all criticism of Obama here is for not being liberal enough (including in some cases where I agree FWIW), meaning that the population is heavily skewed to the most left 10% of Democrats at the rightward limit of DU belief.

When approximately 40% of people surveyed believe Obama is in about the right place, and 40% believe he is too liberal, and 10% or so disapprove for unstated reasons or aren't sure, and some refuse, what else can a group dominated by those who believe he is not liberal enough BE but in the leftmost 10% of the population, and what should that be defined as except the far left? If 90% of the populace is to our right, where else are we?

The trouble with issue polling is it's done in a vacuum with no dertails or counterarguments and elections work holistically in the real world.

Should the rich be taxed more? Hell yes! OK let's raise taxes on anyone making 100k or with a net worth of a million! Oh wait a minute that's my Aunt Gladys no we can't do that.

Should we avoid sending US troops to be the world's police? Hell Yes! OK that means we pull out of meddling in the ME and let Islamist groups take over and destroy priceless history. Hel no we need to stop that!

And the "we're better informed" schtick, even if you ignore elitist hubris, doesn't change where DU falls on the spectrum of public opinion. It may at self-serving best explain why being far-left is a warranted position, but doesn't mean it's the norm, As it in fact states internally.

[PowerToThePeople]

74. Hey

Look who just outed themself. Enjoy your stay.

Honestly the denial about what DU represents (a partisan echo-chamber group far far to the left of the Dem party norm let alone the US as a whole) is one of its most frustrating features.

[stillwaiting]

86. That viewpoint is allowed to flourish here.

Of course, some of those that think this way seem to constantly get put on time out around here, but they don't seem to get banned for stating this. They just can't stop attacking, ridiculing, and condescending to the majority of us around here. But, they don't get banned.

[PowerToThePeople]

97. Yes

The pizza delivery truck has not been working well for some time.

[whatthehey]

94. Outed as what?

Somebody who knows an echo chamber when they are in one? Guilty as charged.

Somebody who is honest about a political forum for partisans being...well.. partisan? Guilty again.

I AM partisan. I admit it. I'm also sane enough to look at a society that elects huge majorities of Republicans, dominated by loons who deny science, seek theocracy and despise anyone not white male and evangelical, legislating their pain and disenfranchisement with glee, and not lie to myself that my opinions are the middle of the road norm.

Even in the Dem party, the norm is far to the right of DU. The platform itself supports, in writing for god's sake, the right to own guns for self-defense, fair use of the death penalty, and military intervention when we are not under threat. All opinions which are deemed outrageously RW here

I don't get frustrated that DU IS partisan and far left, I get frustrated that it pretends to be the normal base of a party which in poll after poll, election after election, platform after platform, takes a stance that is at the rightward fringe of where DU is, and often even that it speaks for the majority of the nation when it is solidly in the leftmost decile by any metric of public opinion.

Finally, you can do fuck all about my stay so keeping the impotent passive-aggressive threats to yourself would avoid embarrassment.

[lonestarnot]

10. :)

[Tarheel_Dem]

11. FiveThirtyEight.com: "Don’t Pay Attention To That Wisconsin Straw Poll"

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/dont-pay-attention-to-that-wisconsin-straw-poll/

When you look at these past results, there’s just no reason to give much weight to the Democratic straw poll from last weekend. Clinton remains a prohibitive favorite for the Democratic nomination. I guess you could argue that this result shows Sanders has some support among very liberal Democrats. We already knew that, though, from public polls with random samples. The Wisconsin result told us nothing we didn’t already understand about the Democratic race.

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and apply this logic to all straw polls. Internet polls are especially unreliable as they are not "random" in the least.

[Avalux]

17. I agree with that. What we need to pay attention to right now is momentum.

Bernie has it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

19. Back in the day, we called what Bernie's got..."Joementum". You can recover though.

[jeff47]

16. Bah. Polls are only important if they show the results I want. I learned that from Romney! (nt)

[brooklynite]

20. I see -- so Bernie's popularity is PLUNGING from his 90/10 straw poll here?

[Godhumor]

24. Only possible conclusion we can draw

I math well.

[zeemike]

64. And the plunging one had 100 voting

And the 90% one 1000.
The larger the sample the better the results.

[Rex]

21. Well I only follow polls that align with what I believe in!

The only polls that mean anything are exit polls and by then it is too late.

[Ed Suspicious]

26. Too late and usually meaningless with Diebold at the helm.

[Rex]

27. Shit, don't tell me they are still in the electronic voting business!?

SMH.

[Nye Bevan]

23. Well, Hillary certainly has her work cut out against the prohibitive front-runner Bernie Sanders.

There wil be some grim faces today at HRC HQ in the wake of this poll. I just hope she doesn't get desperate and criticize his hair or something.

Just remember though, Sanders fans: it's looking good for you but s healthy primary battle is surely better than a "coronation".

[msongs]

28. bernie campaign staff poll: hillary 0%, bernie 100%. totally accurate and unbiased lol nt

[daredtowork]

30. The irony is

Kos himself would be pro-Hillary, just as he is a "Third Way" anti-left Democrat in his local politics.

Much like Skinner is personally pro-Hillary, whatever the majority on DU turns out to be.

Interesting theme there: the owners/hosts of the technology are the Establishment Democrats...the crowd-sourced users are the Bernie socialists?

[brooklynite]

44. Nothing stopping you from starting up a blog of your own...

[daredtowork]

47. Except connections and VC capital. nt

[brooklynite]

51. Grass roots funding is all the rage in the Sanders campaign.....

and I'm not clear why you need "connections".

[daredtowork]

59. The connections help with the VC funding

But perhaps you need to live near the Silicon Valley area to understand that.

Also you have to have a stealth plan to make money (with Kos, for example, it was the ads and getting traction for other ventures like SportsBlogs and Vox) - which is a bit harder to do when you are coming at it from a purely "give the people a voice" perspective.

I actually have a couple ideas (not blogging) which I'd love to develop, and I know I'm in the greatest spot in the world to do it - but I'm not in the social position to make those contacts. At the level I'm at, ideas would just be stolen from me by middlemen rather than giving "unqualified" me the opportunity.

[Gamecock Lefty]

31. Whatever Will I Do With My Hillary Vote Now???

With BS being the most perfect candidate ever, with his latest surge in the DK poll, how can I ever vote for Hillary now? I mean, she’s toast, right? Isn’t she being funded by an arm of the DNC, isn’t she part of Third Way (whatever the hell that is), and Wall Street, oh my gosh let’s go get Wall Street – all of it! Isn’t Ben’s and Jerry’s part of Wall Street? Never mind.

Hillary is too conservative, she’s too rich to understand us, her husband sold us out. She’s not a true liberal. How dare her to be anti-choice. How dare her to support rolling back voting rights! How double-dare her to be against marriage equality! How dare her for - well, for everything.

Note to Hillary: Offer free overpriced ice cream at your rallies and you can buy my vote again!

[DrBulldog]

43. I can't vote for her to run for President now . . .

. . . of the $1.6 million she got paid last year for her speaking tour in Canada last year, much of which was paid by Canadian oil and pharma. Bernie is miles ahead of her in brains and integrity and voting record.

[Sheepshank]

83. Dammit...making lots of money sucks wads

Taking it from oil even worse.

[leftofcool]

63. LMAO

[Tarheel_Dem]

73. "Note to Hillary: Offer free overpriced ice cream at your rallies and you can buy my vote again!"

[Quackers]

77. You can take your Hillary vote and shove it

Right into the ballot box! I hope she doesn't win the primary, but for people to say she doesn't have a chance at winning is disingenuous. I hope Bernie wins but he has work to do to make that a reality.

[Gman]

32. It really doesn't mean much

It's just a straw poll of people inclined to support Sanders anyway.

[Gamecock Lefty]

34. Peace!

By the way, latest Public Policy Polling in swing state of NC (as of June 5), that horrible “not one of us” Hillary Rodham Clinton is tied or leads ALL Republican candidates. The best candidate ever, Bernie ‘I’m the male version of Liz Warren’ Sanders – leads none.

Head to head: Horrible Hillary 62%, BS 14%.

Did I mention the swing state of NC, not a Daily Kos poll or one from the overpriced ice cream staff?

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/bush-leads-gop-field-in-nc-clinton-up-on-most-republicans.html

[ananda]

35. Just voted. Now at 64%

Hurray!

[d_legendary1]

68. Still higher than Hillary I'm afraid.

I have to also say that the people who voted "No Freaking Clue" and "other" are troll votes.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. 29% is actually a good showing for HRC on a KOS poll

It would be like John Ellis Bush or Marco Rubio receiving 29% of the vote in a Free Republic poll.

[DrBulldog]

40. I'm voting for Bernie 'cause I wanna!

[DrBulldog]

46. Just another straw poll?

People are missing the point. Take that public straw poll and multiply it by hundreds across the country in all regions. If these informal polls keep getting publicized in the press and Internet and Bernie keeps shredding Hillary, this will start the Democratic wildfire this country badly needs. The straw polls are where the grass roots begins its fight. Hillary may be a "Democrat" and a "woman" but she has voted wrongly many times, hems-and-haws on issues, and is really already bought and paid for by corporations - even her son-in-law is a Wall Street hedge fund manager and her husband still speaks for money . . .

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. I wish I could speak for money. I would even speak for beer./NT

[mythology]

61. Or some of us understand that non-random polls are useless

A self-selected poll that doesn't correct for the known universe of probable voters says nothing useful. Look at what a poor understanding of statistical polling did for Romney.

[JI7]

85. romney thought he was going to win pennsylvania because a crowd turned out

when his plane landed in the state .

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

52. Well, Kos is jampacked with Commies, Reds, Hippies and troublemakers. Kinda like DU.

Not to mention, non-pragmatic, idealistic, unrealistic, non-conformists who don't subscribe to the Not as Bad theory politics and governance.

Tsk. Tsk.

[truedelphi]

58. And ll of us are leading the good life, due to the monies

That the Ukraine Commie front is sending us each week!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

60. I get mine direct from the Kremlin.

[Art_from_Ark]

89. I hope they pay you in dollars or other hard currency

because the ruble is in the crapper

[red dog 1]

62. + 1

[Octafish]

57. O'Malley's pulling 2-percent.

It's a good start.

[captainarizona]

67. how is bernie doing with minorities?

Bernie Sanders does very well with white liberal activists, especially anti-war activists. But half the democratic party is minorities. How many black and brown people do you see at his rallies? Iowa and New Hampshire are not the same make up as the rest of the country. Lets see how well he does in South Carolina primary. Mrs. Clinton is running on citizenship,voter suppression women's rights issues and other minority issues. President Obama only passed Hillary when black community joined white anti-war activists.

[zeemike]

69. Right, because blacks, hispanics, and women don't care about

The issues Bernie talks about...they are all rich enough not to care.

[moondust]

71. Last night

http://betterment.democraticunderground.com/10026802766

Granted it's just one TV studio audience, but since Wilmore has a lot of minority and women guests it might follow that his studio audience is diverse as well.

[Tarheel_Dem]

75. Washington Examiner: "Hillary's strong minority support complicates progressive primary challenge"

By W. James Antle III | June 8, 2015 | 2:57 pm

When Bernie Sanders first jumped into the presidential race, I wrote that he would need to do well with minority voters to stand a chance of toppling Hillary Clinton.

Attracting diverse support, as opposed to just educated upscale liberal whites, is the difference between successful progressive Democratic campaigns, like Barack Obama's, and failed ones like Sanders' fellow Vermonter Howard Dean's.

The early results don't look good for Sanders. According to a recent Washington Post/ABC News poll, Clinton is leading among white Democrats with 56 percent of the vote to Sanders' 14 percent. Among self-described liberals, Sanders does a little better (17 percent), but so does Clinton (63 percent).

Yet Clinton is trouncing Sanders among non-white Democrats, winning 72 percent to just 5 percent for the Vermont democratic socialist. (The poll doesn't break the non-white Democrats down into categories like black, Latino or Asian.)

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hillarys-strong-minority-support-complicates-progressive-primary-challenge/article/2565814

Now you'll probably be labeled a "race baiter" for merely asking the question, but I hope this analysis helps. If Bernie breaks 10% minority support, I'll be surprised, but that support will come mainly from black & hispanic union households.

Great question, by the way.

[red dog 1]

70. K&R...Thanks for posting

Bernie is now leading Hillary 64% to 28%.

Go Bernie!

[quickesst]

72. Haha...

...I remember a time when polls didn't mean anything. When was that? Oh yeah, it was last time a poll was posted where Hillary was ahead. Yep, that was a long long time ago.

[randys1]

76. I listen to all of the Sirius Progressive Channel shows, and on most they are

doing the two step that the Democratic Party seems to want them to do, understandably.

Step one: Applaud Bernie endlessly, then add "but at the end of the day, he wont win"

Step two: Reaffirm Hillary's credentials, level of support, financial support, etc.


I will be happy as long as a criminal fuck rightwing racist bigot Woman hating Black hating environment hating asshole republican teapartier isnt elected, but I am sensing a VERY serious race between Hillary and Bernie.


BEWARE of one thing, the MSM would LOVE to see a horse race between Hillary and anybody, so dont always assume that the coverage is what it is.

[Warpy]

78. I'm not surprised, it's a liberal site

If they polled people on the floor of the NYSE, they'd find the opposite.

[Babel_17]

79. What can't get emphasized enough, imo ...

What can't get emphasized enough, imo, is how the enthusiasm we see on the internet for Sanders will likely be reflected in the turnout for Sanders in the primaries. I think this turnout will be disproportionately large, relative to what polling will indicate.

Sanders supporters are beyond eager to vote for him and they will be talking him up. These town hall meetings and caucuses could be a real wake up call to the general public. The MSM won't have to look deep in order to see a major story.

[alcibiades_mystery]

82. Ready the Inauguration Stage, Mr. President!

[madfloridian]

84. Right now it's 67% to 26%

[tritsofme]

91. lol, haven't decided if the "excitement" around this nonsense poll is pathetic or funny.

[Romulox]

96. Hillary's got JOEMENTUM!!!! nt