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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 06:51 PM Jun 2015

"Call my momma! Oh God!" This is "mouthing off"? Only when a black girl does it.

This is the best response I've seen to the pool attack yet.

http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/2015/06/a-shame-for-mckinney-and-for-all-of-us.html/

The words that keep coming back to me in this video from McKinney came from the mouth of a petite girl in a pink and yellow bikini as she’s pulled to the ground by a police officer twice her size.

“Call my momma. Oh God!” she cries.

She’s weeping in fear as Cpl. Eric Casebolt pushes her face into the ground and then straddles her back shouting demands for her to stop struggling.

What struggle? She’s a child on the ground in handcuffs crying for her mother.

SNIP

But it’s impossible not to wonder how different a scene this would have been if these kids had been white instead of black. Would Casebolt have dared to drag a blond-haired, blue-eyed girl to the ground screaming “ON YOUR FACE!” at a pool in an affluent suburb?

If your answer is yes, let me know the next time that happens.

SNIP


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"Call my momma! Oh God!" This is "mouthing off"? Only when a black girl does it. (Original Post) pnwmom Jun 2015 OP
If the mother had shown up, it might have been a totally scenario. nt ladjf Jun 2015 #1
How so? Spazito Jun 2015 #29
For one thing, I erroneously failed to include the ladjf Jun 2015 #111
Thanks for the clarification... Spazito Jun 2015 #115
Thank you for that clarification. I misunderstood your implication. yardwork Jun 2015 #148
Yes, the cop would have shot her dead. nt valerief Jun 2015 #31
If you're suggesting that mothers follow their 15 year olds everywhere, yardwork Jun 2015 #91
IF they were white the white racist women who called the police TO THE SCENE never make NoJusticeNoPeace Jun 2015 #2
True. Many of these recent calls to police, that went terribly wrong, were made by white folks that FailureToCommunicate Jun 2015 #40
k&r uppityperson Jun 2015 #3
How quickly we forget Fumesucker Jun 2015 #4
What does this have to do with the OP? n/t gollygee Jun 2015 #6
Fumesucker is illustrating the "everyone does it" TBF Jun 2015 #9
Yup. Nt uppityperson Jun 2015 #10
The OP didn't say that white people are never treated badly by police gollygee Jun 2015 #12
+1 Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #80
I don't think that is what Fumesucker meant. yardwork Jun 2015 #92
Well enlighten us then. nt TBF Jun 2015 #113
His own posts in this thread provide more info. yardwork Jun 2015 #114
I don't doubt his story - TBF Jun 2015 #118
Thank you for your nice response. yardwork Jun 2015 #147
Because, clearly, the girl at the pool was deliberately engaging in civil disobedience jberryhill Jun 2015 #21
It happened to my own daughter, I wrote about it here in 2009 Fumesucker Jun 2015 #28
Oh please. phil89 Jun 2015 #34
I had no reason to lie about it in 2009 Fumesucker Jun 2015 #41
I remember that fume sucker JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #153
Ask Kalief Clayguy61 Jun 2015 #51
you like to call people liars heaven05 Jun 2015 #52
You've noticed that too Hekate Jun 2015 #97
You're a peach. EOM Dorian Gray Jun 2015 #158
Cops hurting defenseless American children for personal reasons. byronius Jun 2015 #69
The other one was for political reasons gollygee Jun 2015 #72
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. byronius Jun 2015 #74
I'm familiar with it gollygee Jun 2015 #77
All right. I can accept that. Point taken. byronius Jun 2015 #93
This incident looks to me like a racist version of 50 Shades of Grey, utterly disgusting! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #139
Police brutality. romanic Jun 2015 #110
How many of those were half-naked children waiting for their Mommas to drive them home? n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #14
One of my children was treated very badly by cops on the night of her 17th birthday Fumesucker Jun 2015 #25
There's obviously no excuse whatsoever for what happened to your daughter. pnwmom Jun 2015 #57
Thank you... Fumesucker Jun 2015 #64
"out from under false charges" Solomon Jun 2015 #130
Bit of a difference between a protest and a children's pool party kcr Jun 2015 #20
Is that the yard of a Middle-Class White? WinkyDink Jun 2015 #23
It's a college campus, so...sorta? Maedhros Jun 2015 #127
Close to touche', but no cigar. :-) WinkyDink Jun 2015 #149
yeah, one or two incidents like this heaven05 Jun 2015 #30
Happened to one of my own kids on her 17th birthday Fumesucker Jun 2015 #33
typical treatment by the fascist heaven05 Jun 2015 #39
She happened years later to marrry the son of a high ranking officer in a police department Fumesucker Jun 2015 #44
No less than you've quickly forgotten the difference between a standard and an aberration. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #116
If I saw a cop on my kid like that, Ilsa Jun 2015 #5
If you're that out phil89 Jun 2015 #35
right heaven05 Jun 2015 #45
um... ejbr Jun 2015 #48
Cops have been NOLALady Jun 2015 #56
Not if the asshole sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #65
yes it is legal Vattel Jun 2015 #90
I bet if the misconduct Dorian Gray Jun 2015 #159
Attacking children is not OK, attempting to stop such a crime in progress Dragonfli Jun 2015 #70
Neither is it okay for asswipe cops to attack children. nt Ilsa Jun 2015 #75
Well aren't you something. It's like the context went whooshing right over your head. Hekate Jun 2015 #98
No it didn't Hekate, and that's the disturbing part of it. bluesbassman Jun 2015 #102
I agree with you Hekate Jun 2015 #103
Attacking little girls who beg for their mommies is not okay, even if you have a badge. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #108
Can't believe you said that. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #134
Since when? ieoeja Jun 2015 #135
I think there is something wrong with you. coyote Jun 2015 #151
My adrenaline NOLALady Jun 2015 #36
The adrenaline would probably get you thrown in a grave frylock Jun 2015 #38
Having to choose between sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #71
agreed frylock Jun 2015 #89
Probably dead. Drahthaardogs Jun 2015 #85
I wouldn't be thinking about that. Ilsa Jun 2015 #88
I have a sister who got in trouble a bit as a teen - TBF Jun 2015 #7
Yes, the kid with the camera is white marym625 Jun 2015 #11
It's just heartbreaking marym625 Jun 2015 #8
he runs the pool center. kwassa Jun 2015 #26
Thank you. eom marym625 Jun 2015 #83
He did more than just stand there, he laid hands on two other female chidren Dragonfli Jun 2015 #82
I have only watched on my phone marym625 Jun 2015 #84
When two young girls that were her friends ran over to her, just before the cop drew his weapon Dragonfli Jun 2015 #86
absolutely! marym625 Jun 2015 #87
The cop is a pervert too. His man-handling of the teen was so sexual in context, so obvious! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #140
I agree some pervs will do anything to touch young girls, 14 is the age of a CHILD /nt Dragonfli Jun 2015 #143
I have a strong suspicion that the same folks who think that she was "mouthing off" and that logosoco Jun 2015 #13
Lawn chemicals? That's just... Hekate Jun 2015 #99
I was thinking that she was already being abused , mistreated and humiliated, and on top of that logosoco Jun 2015 #112
Those lawn chemicals are toxic! If they sprayed that morning she would have had lungs full of it! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #142
The racist whites who called police on the black children onecaliberal Jun 2015 #15
Really? A hundred kids show up and some start climbing the fence TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #43
The pool party was cleared before hand. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #47
I'm afraid you are mistaken TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #61
First of all I hAve read or heard no where about 100 kids at the pool or fight onecaliberal Jun 2015 #63
I'm not defending anything indefensible. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #73
Yes because you clearly know more than the people who were there. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #76
That one has a history of, well... U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #133
and you don't need a history to see Solomon Jun 2015 #141
That person is quite obvious, stating what is obvious sadly might get me banned Dragonfli Jun 2015 #145
Are you aware that there were two groups of party goers who were crowding the pool, pnwmom Jun 2015 #129
Here's some info TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #138
I haven't seen a single photo of anywhere near that many kids gollygee Jun 2015 #146
There's no video there JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #154
That's a bullshit ass'd account of what happened, most of the kids belonged to the community pool uponit7771 Jun 2015 #105
not at all suprising noiretextatique Jun 2015 #120
Did anybody in this video besides the 1 cop look belligerent? pnwmom Jun 2015 #109
Megyn Kelley called her "no saint". MohRokTah Jun 2015 #16
I can safely say that Megyn Kelley's "no saint." pnwmom Jun 2015 #17
It's probably a made up name for a made up person. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #124
unlike josh duggar i guess JI7 Jun 2015 #18
FUCKIN WOW!!!!! uponit7771 Jun 2015 #19
...before welcoming Dinesh D'Souza back from "the joint" for his felony conviction jberryhill Jun 2015 #22
Dinesh D'Souza hates all the right people. That's how FOX and the GOP define morality. (eom) StevieM Jun 2015 #144
That's the FOX "standard"; Trayvon was "no saint," either. WinkyDink Jun 2015 #24
That's the standard if you're black gollygee Jun 2015 #27
The girl had every right to be angry, considering... Oilwellian Jun 2015 #32
She should have phil89 Jun 2015 #37
She didn't resist. What the fuck are you talking about?!? onecaliberal Jun 2015 #49
Did you miss the part where he told her to sit down, and she was already sitting down? Oilwellian Jun 2015 #50
She did comply. NOLALady Jun 2015 #54
Yes. It's like he couldn't decide what he wanted her to do! TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #62
I think when he ran up and did that dive-and-flip thing, his adrenaline surged pnwmom Jun 2015 #94
Chief: Actions 'indefensible' Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #58
She couldn't. He was ordering her to walk home -- and she was waiting for her momma pnwmom Jun 2015 #60
It looked like he pulled a gun for the video I saw. nt Ilsa Jun 2015 #78
She was complying, she was walking away & RamboCop grabbed her because she said she was going uponit7771 Jun 2015 #81
how well did it end for the cop? noiretextatique Jun 2015 #121
It isn't awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #42
Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #46
If he had killed her, that line would have been as remembered as "I can't breathe" bluestateguy Jun 2015 #53
That's what I was thinking. She could have died under his weight. pnwmom Jun 2015 #59
Camera is greatest invention Clayguy61 Jun 2015 #55
who is dealing with the pos that called the police because black kids? arresting and fining idiots locdlib Jun 2015 #66
That is an excellent point. byronius Jun 2015 #67
The police were called appropriately. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #95
None of this shit is true, there was a parent who was there and in charge of the party and never uponit7771 Jun 2015 #104
I agree - pool rules very well may have been ignored or broken. Maedhros Jun 2015 #128
sure....that explains the ugly actions of the adults noiretextatique Jun 2015 #150
You are going to have fun with this one JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #155
been there...done that eom noiretextatique Jun 2015 #164
Mentioned in other posts. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #160
Do you have c/p's of those tweets? JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #157
Here are pictures of the ads TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #161
Proxy server isn't responding? n/t JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #162
I can get through. nt TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2015 #163
Sorry but, cilla4progress Jun 2015 #68
Amen!!! Champ50 Jun 2015 #79
Her cries ripped my heart out. Hekate Jun 2015 #96
I'm shellshocked now by the story of the other young teen -- pnwmom Jun 2015 #100
The kids showed remarkable self control gwheezie Jun 2015 #101
They did. Everyone behaved well except for the "rogue cop" pnwmom Jun 2015 #106
The way the girl was treated and thrown around leaves no doubt in my mind the cop has a racist still_one Jun 2015 #107
My theory is that he was more of a bully than a racist. ladjf Jun 2015 #117
The white kid who filmed the video disagrees with you. He said that the cop pnwmom Jun 2015 #122
As I said in my post, bullies attack those who are less likely to be ladjf Jun 2015 #125
how about a racist bully? noiretextatique Jun 2015 #123
Racist bully would describe the policeman on the video. nt ladjf Jun 2015 #126
Or the media JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #156
Kicked and recommended! This cop's actions are inappropriate! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #119
Did she have sharp fingernails or something? Helen Borg Jun 2015 #131
I would not treat a dog like he treated that girl... Ino Jun 2015 #132
People die from these type of head traumas grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #137
You posed an interesting question. Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #136
we all know it would be a different story: no one would defend the cop noiretextatique Jun 2015 #152

Spazito

(50,355 posts)
29. How so?
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:38 PM
Jun 2015

Your post could infer the mother was negligent for not being there, is that your intent? If not, what exactly do you mean.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
111. For one thing, I erroneously failed to include the
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 06:25 AM
Jun 2015

word "different" before the word scenario.

I certainly wasn't implying that the mother was negligent for not being at the party.

However, my thought was, had the mother found out that a cop was dragging her around on the ground and abusing her, she may have been able to put a stop to it. For that matter, any sensible and caring adult might have been able to diffuse the rage being displayed by the policeman.

I still haven't heard who the big white guy was and why he seemed to be facilitating the crazy policeman's actions.





yardwork

(61,630 posts)
91. If you're suggesting that mothers follow their 15 year olds everywhere,
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 10:23 PM
Jun 2015

I think that you are not a parent. Teens get invited to pool parties. Their mothers don't go with them.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
2. IF they were white the white racist women who called the police TO THE SCENE never make
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 06:56 PM
Jun 2015

that call, so there is no incident if they are white.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
40. True. Many of these recent calls to police, that went terribly wrong, were made by white folks that
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:58 PM
Jun 2015

were either racist, ignorant, hateful or a combination...



TBF

(32,062 posts)
9. Fumesucker is illustrating the "everyone does it"
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:13 PM
Jun 2015

and "it's not racism if a white kid gets attacked occasionally too" memes ...

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
12. The OP didn't say that white people are never treated badly by police
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:15 PM
Jun 2015

but that this specific scenario - at the pool, pushing a teenage girl to the ground and screaming at her - wouldn't have happend to a white teenage girl. So the Occupy movement seems irrelevant as they aren't 14-year-old girls at swimming pools trying to swim.

yardwork

(61,630 posts)
114. His own posts in this thread provide more info.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 08:29 AM
Jun 2015

There are a lot of personal attacks on DUers lately, and it's getting a little tiresome.

TBF

(32,062 posts)
118. I don't doubt his story -
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 12:04 PM
Jun 2015

or that Occupy was targeted. I do think there is a lot to the argument that folks are targeted for class more than anything else. But we've got clear evidence on video many times over that blacks are being disproportionally attacked.

I don't think we should minimize that. But thank you for the comment - I know you were sincere.



yardwork

(61,630 posts)
147. Thank you for your nice response.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 10:39 PM
Jun 2015

There is no question that African Americans are being disproportionately targeted by police. It's quite obvious and a real problem.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
21. Because, clearly, the girl at the pool was deliberately engaging in civil disobedience
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:27 PM
Jun 2015

...and by going to the pool party had expected to encounter and to resist conflicting demands of police to "leave" and "stay".

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
28. It happened to my own daughter, I wrote about it here in 2009
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:38 PM
Jun 2015

Unfortunately I don't have a video of the encounter my daughter had with the cops.

They actually managed to get a drug charge put on her record with no arrest, evidence, arraignment, plea, trial or conviction. She was extremely lucky to ever get it off her record.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6148067#6148476

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
41. I had no reason to lie about it in 2009
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:00 PM
Jun 2015

That conversation then was about Professor Gates who was arrested on his front porch back in 2009..


I also said this about Gates and Crowley..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6148067#6148171

Crowley deliberately lured Gates onto his porch specifically so he could arrest Gates..

Crowley had far more power on the porch than inside Gates home.

I've had both extremes of dealing with police, seeing them go far above and beyond their duty and also seeing some extremely power hungry, belligerent and completely uncalled for behavior, both examples in the very same department.

My opinion is that Crowley engaged in the latter behavior rather than the former.

I want to hear the recordings of Crowley's transmissions on his police radio, I won't believe a thing Crowley says until those recordings are released.

Not to say I completely buy what Gates says either but of the two, Crowley was the one charged with acting in a professional manner during the encounter.

Clayguy61

(31 posts)
51. Ask Kalief
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:17 PM
Jun 2015

Ask Kalief Brower who spent 3 years in jail and near two of it in solitary without a trial or grand jury or reading rights. It is possible and believe it

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
52. you like to call people liars
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:18 PM
Jun 2015

especially if you perceive them as not of the privileged class. What is up with you accusing people of lying and demanding proof? Who are you to think you're that important?

byronius

(7,395 posts)
69. Cops hurting defenseless American children for personal reasons.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:00 PM
Jun 2015

I find it extremely relevant. Really, you don't see it?

I live in the town this photo was taken in. I can tell you, I felt exactly the same way as I feel about the McKinney incident.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
72. The other one was for political reasons
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:02 PM
Jun 2015

that was awful but for different reasons. It was an example of how the government responds to people who stand up to it.

This is an entirely different situation. This was a kid who was swimming at a pool.

byronius

(7,395 posts)
74. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:11 PM
Jun 2015

Casebolt was exerting undue authority, Pike was exerting undue authority. Casebolt committed a crazy and brutal act while in uniform, as did Pike. The only differences I can see are a slight difference in age and the color of the victims.

Pike profited in the end, so will Casebolt. The criminally insane third of this nation takes care of their own. They laud and reward this behavior. Similarities or differences aside, these men are functioning psychopaths who should never be allowed near a gun, much less a badge.

Just for you to read --

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper-spray_incident

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
77. I'm familiar with it
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:13 PM
Jun 2015

and there are some similarities but they were still different situations and I find this comparison to be an attempt, which appears to be deliberate, to minimize racism. No white person gets treated like this when swimming at a community pool. When standing up to the government? Yes, and it's also wrong. But not when swimming at a pool.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
110. Police brutality.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 02:58 AM
Jun 2015

Affects everyone.

But lbr a political rally and a pool party are teo completely different situations.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
25. One of my children was treated very badly by cops on the night of her 17th birthday
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:34 PM
Jun 2015

Actually had a fake drug charge that wound up on her record without her ever being charged, arraigned, going to court, convicted, sentenced or even knowing about it. It would have ruined her life if she hadn't happened to marry the son of high ranking officer in the local police who launched an investigation after she was denied a concealed carry permit. Even with her father in law pulling every string and a high powered lawyer it took quite some time to get the completely fake charge dismissed.

It's a sore point with me due to personal experience, I wrote about it here in 2009.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6148067#6148476

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
57. There's obviously no excuse whatsoever for what happened to your daughter.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jun 2015

I'm glad she finally got out from under the false charges.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
64. Thank you...
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:46 PM
Jun 2015

It is obviously worse for minorities and I wouldn't be surprised knowing my daughter if she gave the cops a bit of attitude but some cops will screw around with anyone who irritates them in the slightest, they will cut whites more slack than blacks but the hammer can come down on anyone.

The funny thing is we knew the local DA personally through school functions, he had a daughter in the same class as our daughter yet even that level of connectedness didn't help my child avoid a really nasty incident. I can only imagine how hard and frustrating it is for those who have it worse.



 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
30. yeah, one or two incidents like this
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:47 PM
Jun 2015

while horrible and disgustingly fascist, pales in comparison to the ongoing harassment and murder of POC.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
33. Happened to one of my own kids on her 17th birthday
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:52 PM
Jun 2015

Except she ended up with a drug conviction on her record without evidence, charges, arraignment, plea, trial or conviction, in fact she never knew about the drug conviction until years later when she tried to get a concealed carry permit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6807268

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
39. typical treatment by the fascist
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:57 PM
Jun 2015

has she had any luck getting her record expunged because of the lies of the 'authorities'?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
44. She happened years later to marrry the son of a high ranking officer in a police department
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:05 PM
Jun 2015

Even with that level of help and a good lawyer it took nearly a year to straighten it out.

No one would ever tell me how a cop could put a conviction that never happened on someone's record, I had no idea that was even possible.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
116. No less than you've quickly forgotten the difference between a standard and an aberration.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 09:07 AM
Jun 2015

No less than you've quickly forgotten the difference between a standard and an aberration.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
5. If I saw a cop on my kid like that,
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:11 PM
Jun 2015

I'd probably rush him and body block him. The adrenaline would probably get me thrown in jail.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
35. If you're that out
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:53 PM
Jun 2015

of control and aggressive you should be in jail. Attacking cops is not ok

NOLALady

(4,003 posts)
56. Cops have been
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:30 PM
Jun 2015

murdering unarmed men, women, children and family pets who were not attacking them.

Attacking cops is not OK. Not attacking cops is not OK either.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
65. Not if the asshole
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:50 PM
Jun 2015

is working my kid over. But your comment does raise an interesting question: Is it legal to defend yourself against police misconduct? Is it legal for a group of people? How about a whole country?

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
159. I bet if the misconduct
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:06 AM
Jun 2015

can be proven, you would be let off after a trial.

However, there is a bigger chance you will end up dead and never able to stand trial, so the better advice would be to keep your cool.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
70. Attacking children is not OK, attempting to stop such a crime in progress
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:01 PM
Jun 2015

by the child's father is not only OK, but perfectly natural due to paternal instinct.

The problem of course is that because the maniac assaulting the man's child was a cop, the father would likely have been murdered for the sin of trying to protect his child and the maniac that attacks children and murders their fathers would get away with his crimes. They are not supposed to be above the law you know, he did assault a child after all.

Attacking children is never OK "friend"

bluesbassman

(19,374 posts)
102. No it didn't Hekate, and that's the disturbing part of it.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 01:23 AM
Jun 2015

The agenda is clear as the abuse that young girl endured.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
134. Can't believe you said that.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jun 2015

What do you recommend people do when a cop attacks little black kids, then?

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
135. Since when?
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 05:08 PM
Jun 2015

You know what you call a cop wrongfully beating the shit out of someone? A criminal.

And sometimes the only way to stop a crime is by attacking the criminal. Hell, he had a gun. He was beating up an innocent person. At that moment shooting him would have been justified.

A badge does not make a crime not a crime. I honestly can not imagine how your mind even works so that a badge turns a murderous thug into a saint.



 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
71. Having to choose between
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:02 PM
Jun 2015

watching your kid take a beating from a roid raging cop who might kill him or engaging in a kill or be killed fight with the cop is a dilemma I hope never to face. No parent should ever have to worry about such a confrontation. Something is very wrong when so many do.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
88. I wouldn't be thinking about that.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jun 2015

That's one of the problems with seeing your child imperiled: your own safety becomes irrelevant.

TBF

(32,062 posts)
7. I have a sister who got in trouble a bit as a teen -
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:11 PM
Jun 2015

and the cops would drive her straight home to my mom with a "you deal with her". The officers were the age of my mom and had known her back in high school. White, midwest, small town. My guess is that it's like that in many places.

Camera person must have been white as well though I haven't read that much about the story to know all the details (but they were close up so my guess is that they would've been on the ground also if they were black).


marym625

(17,997 posts)
11. Yes, the kid with the camera is white
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:14 PM
Jun 2015

And he said there's no doubt that it was the black kids that were targeted

There's a thread somewhere here today with an interview with the camera kid

marym625

(17,997 posts)
8. It's just heartbreaking
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:12 PM
Jun 2015

Who is the big white guy that needs to be so close to the crazy cop? Just stands there, no reaction, watching this asswipe of a cop manhandle that poor kid. It hurts.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
82. He did more than just stand there, he laid hands on two other female chidren
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:33 PM
Jun 2015

"coincidentally" in the upper torso region.

A pervert using the situation as an opportunity to try to cop a feel on the breasts of minors.

Any man that age laying hands on teenage girls has problems with pedophilia fantasies IMO. It is never OK to lay hands on young girls like that, explains also why he "just had to" get in the middle of it even tho he was neither LE or parent. He should be charged with inappropriate touching of minors.

The man is a pervert IMO.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
84. I have only watched on my phone
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:43 PM
Jun 2015

So I can't really see everything too well. It is hard enough watching a tiny screen of this. I did think I saw him handle a kid but I wasn't sure.

That needs to be addressed.

By the way, the latest press release says nothing was racially motivated.

Fuckers.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
86. When two young girls that were her friends ran over to her, just before the cop drew his weapon
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:55 PM
Jun 2015

He reached out with both arms stopping the two girls from getting closer, the point of contact was the upper torso. I just think that he had no business touching minor girls at all, and had his intentions been less instinctively pervy, he would have stopped them at the waist, not the breast height area.

He should not have touched them at all, but the fact that he took it upon himself to do so makes me immediately think he has issues, when issues result in laying hands on young girls the first thing that comes to mind is pedo (self aware or repressed, but pedo).

I may be wrong, but a man his age touching girls in a case where he had no business intervening at all makes my radar go ping.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
87. absolutely!
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jun 2015

He should be changed with assault. Plain and simple

I am going to watch again and start tweeting it

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
13. I have a strong suspicion that the same folks who think that she was "mouthing off" and that
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:15 PM
Jun 2015

the cops dealt with her was acceptable are either oblivious to what the 1% have done to this country and how so many get away with destroying the planet or they think it's okay.



I have not been able to stomach watching the actual video, just seeing the pictures makes me hurt. Those young women look so vulnerable in their swimming suits! And when I see the one young woman being held on the ground by the cop I worry about lawn chemicals!

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
112. I was thinking that she was already being abused , mistreated and humiliated, and on top of that
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 06:40 AM
Jun 2015

she was face down in grass treated with lawn chemicals? That stuff is not good for you!

Perhaps the least of her worries at the moment, yes, but still another factor in the ugly situation.

onecaliberal

(32,862 posts)
15. The racist whites who called police on the black children
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:16 PM
Jun 2015

Wouldn't have called cops if the kids were white. But we don't have a race problem in America.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
43. Really? A hundred kids show up and some start climbing the fence
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:01 PM
Jun 2015

and whites wouldn't have called the cops on other whites?


Wrong! A lot of parents would be calling the police if a large group of teens was arguing with the lifeguards and then started climbing the fence. Heck, all of our lifeguards are in high school, and are not equipped to deal with a large belligerent crowd that gets ugly when they are told they can't swim.

onecaliberal

(32,862 posts)
47. The pool party was cleared before hand.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:10 PM
Jun 2015

The only reason anything occurred at all was because a white racist woman told children to go home to their section 8 housing. These children LIVED in the complex. They were also called the N word, and an adult assaulted a child! Then had the intestinal fortitude to call the police. If you treated your own child like the cops treated those children; child protective services would remove your kids from your custody.
There is NO defense of this incident. The fact that you make excuses for this behavior tells me you support racists.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
61. I'm afraid you are mistaken
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:39 PM
Jun 2015

And I'm NOT making any excuses for the behavior of the one cop. He deserves to go. CLEARLY. The two woman that said awful things were...well...awful. But you are mistaken if you think that is what I'm talking about.

You clearly can't advertise on Twitter and then expect the lifeguards to let a hundred kids into the pool. That's not racist! Several people called the cops when some of the teens became very belligerent with the lifeguards and started climbing the fence to get in. I really don't think you need to be racist to call the cops about that. If dozens of white kids were arguing with our lifeguards, you can bet that I would have called the cops. Period.

Craig Ranch rules: 2 guests. Up to twenty guests with a $250 deposit. And the rules are for everybody.

onecaliberal

(32,862 posts)
63. First of all I hAve read or heard no where about 100 kids at the pool or fight
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:44 PM
Jun 2015

With the life guard and I've seen 3 different interviews with people who were there today. The event WAS pre cleared with management. The racists whites started the whole incident, called the police and then left the scene. I'm done arguing with you about this. I don't give two fucks how many kids were there, this is more bullshit excuse making for the indefensible. I'm done with this conversation.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
73. I'm not defending anything indefensible.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:10 PM
Jun 2015

Just pointing out that you are clearly wrong about the events that led up to the video we saw.

Take it up with Benet Embry, a black man who was there and clearly pointed out that some teens started behaving badly. Not all. Not a majority. Just some, but he's being vilified because he dared to state the truth and defend his neighbors and neighborhood. God bless him. I fear he may be in danger since he's been getting threats.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
141. and you don't need a history to see
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 06:22 PM
Jun 2015

thru this one. Whew! What bullshit."Hundreds of black teens jumping the fence.". Just making up shit.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
145. That person is quite obvious, stating what is obvious sadly might get me banned
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 06:50 PM
Jun 2015

I will say I doubt that person is what I would call an Austin type Texan, but rather the type of Texan that might assume all of the kids at the pool were maybe section 8 housing residents and might be worried about the state of mind of children in swimsuits that would live in such a place and go where they don't belong.

That is just me trying to grok the poster's "state of mind" mind you.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
129. Are you aware that there were two groups of party goers who were crowding the pool,
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jun 2015

one mostly white and one mostly black, and only the latter was told to leave (though that party had also been organized and approved in advance)?

Also, a white mother was accused of telling a black kid to go back to section 8 housing, and then hitting her. How come that woman wasn't arrested?

It doesn't sound like the rules were enforced the same for everybody. The white teen who took the video didn't think so. He said the cops ignored him and the other white kids and only went after the black kids.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
138. Here's some info
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 05:57 PM
Jun 2015

Maybe you don't like the source, but if you wanted to learn the truth it's easy to find. This article kind of puts all the info in one place.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3117475/Brawling-racist-slurs-profane-rap-music-gatecrashers-really-happened-Texas-invite-pool-party-cop-drew-gun-bikini-girl-15.html

It's possible to hold multiple thoughts in one's head. Cop was wrong. White women were wrong. Young woman who threw party was wrong in advertising on social media. Those kids got there expecting to swim because of her.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
146. I haven't seen a single photo of anywhere near that many kids
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 07:12 PM
Jun 2015

I am not confident in The Daily Mail, seeing as their source appears to be the abusive woman in the video.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
154. There's no video there
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:26 AM
Jun 2015

So it didn't happen. Someone has to have video of the hundred or so kids jumping the fence.

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
105. That's a bullshit ass'd account of what happened, most of the kids belonged to the community pool
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 02:04 AM
Jun 2015

... and there was a mother of the girl who was slapped there and she was never talked to by the pool manager

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
120. not at all suprising
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 03:41 PM
Jun 2015

not at all. i am sure more of the defend-cops-at-all-times contingent will surface shortly.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
109. Did anybody in this video besides the 1 cop look belligerent?
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 02:41 AM
Jun 2015

I think he hurt his own feelings when he took that ridiculous, ungainly fall, and so he went charging after the kids (even blamed them for having to carry 30 pounds of gear -- clearly trying to make excuses for the fall even then.)

And there were two parties going on in that pool at the same time -- one predominantly black and one predominantly white. Isn't it curious that they only went after the black partygoers? The white boy who took the video thought so.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
16. Megyn Kelley called her "no saint".
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:16 PM
Jun 2015

Which goes to show, the morons on Fox will even try to thugify a 14 year old girl.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
22. ...before welcoming Dinesh D'Souza back from "the joint" for his felony conviction
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jun 2015

I did my annual quota of watching five minutes of Fox while changing stations last night.

Almost got whiplash at her red carpet welcome for a convicted felon.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
27. That's the standard if you're black
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:34 PM
Jun 2015

You have to be a saint in order to deserve to be treated differently. I wonder how many African Americans the people at Fox consider to be saints. Ben Carson? I suppose there are probably a few.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
32. The girl had every right to be angry, considering...
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:51 PM
Jun 2015

the injustice playing out before her eyes. She had just witnessed two white, racist women verbally and physically attack her friends, and who then had the audacity to call the police, give a false report, and run away before the police arrived. When the police came rolling in, literally, just a few minutes later, she saw her friends verbally and physically attacked again, when in reality, it was the two white racist women who should have been arrested for assault. I think I would be verbalizing my outrage of it all had I been in her bikini as well. It is galling to me to see the original assault get lost in the stories I've read so far. I also hope this young girl can keep her fighting spirit and isn't permanently scarred by this total shit stain of a cop. When I saw her cry for her mama, I cried with her.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
37. She should have
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:55 PM
Jun 2015

complied with his orders and fought it in court if possible. Resisting cops isn't going to end well, emotions aside.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
50. Did you miss the part where he told her to sit down, and she was already sitting down?
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:15 PM
Jun 2015

Or how about the part where he told them to leave and also sit down at the same time? Your comment is absurd.

NOLALady

(4,003 posts)
54. She did comply.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:25 PM
Jun 2015

He yelled at her to leave and she left. He dragged her back and threw her on the ground because she obeyed his orders to leave.

Resisting cops do not end well. Not resisting cops do not end well, emotions aside.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
62. Yes. It's like he couldn't decide what he wanted her to do!
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:41 PM
Jun 2015

He was completely out of control and has no business being in law enforcement.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
94. I think when he ran up and did that dive-and-flip thing, his adrenaline surged
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 10:51 PM
Jun 2015

and he was probably embarrassed, too -- and so he just went into hyper-drive after those kids.

I was glad to hear that the police captain said there was no excuse for his behavior. I agree.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
60. She couldn't. He was ordering her to walk home -- and she was waiting for her momma
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jun 2015

to come and drive her home. She was an invited visitor -- she didn't live there.

But he took her explaining about waiting for her mom as "mouthing off."

Watch the video again. He came running up and then tripped and took a header. That obviously got his adrenaline going, and he took out his anger on the kids. None of the other cops acted like he did. As another pro-police observer said, "he went rogue."

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
81. She was complying, she was walking away & RamboCop grabbed her because she said she was going
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:26 PM
Jun 2015

... to tell her mother.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
121. how well did it end for the cop?
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jun 2015

he had to RESIGN, so clearly his actions weren't exactly kosher. and she will no doubt win a settlement from the city for the cop's actions.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
42. It isn't
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:00 PM
Jun 2015

but even if she did mouth off, so what? That give a 200+ lb man to kneel (with both knees) on the back of a 90 lb 14 year old?

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
53. If he had killed her, that line would have been as remembered as "I can't breathe"
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:19 PM
Jun 2015

And we would have seen it on T-shirts.

The cop is a thug.

Clayguy61

(31 posts)
55. Camera is greatest invention
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:26 PM
Jun 2015

Talking with my friend Andre the greatest invention for black people is the camera. I added smart phone with camera. It has been invaluable in bringing the horror stories to light. The only chance for justice has been video recordings.

locdlib

(176 posts)
66. who is dealing with the pos that called the police because black kids? arresting and fining idiots
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:52 PM
Jun 2015

for making fake calls might deter some of this bullshit.

byronius

(7,395 posts)
67. That is an excellent point.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jun 2015

The apologist resident, The Belly (guy in the tan shirt jus' helpin' out), and the two women who called. I'd like to see a documentary on those people, because they are the Root. Of the Problem.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
95. The police were called appropriately.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:18 PM
Jun 2015

Look, a nineteen year old woman named Tatiana Rhodes hosted this event in conjunction with Twinzz Productions. Either she hired them or she "is" the company - I don't know. Apparently, money was collected under the name of Twinzz Productions, and teens who saw the instagram ad had an expectation of swimming. Unfortunately, Miss Rhodes and/or Twinzz Productions had no right to invite that many people to the pool. Her guest limit was 20 people with a deposit, or just two people with no deposit. (This is very much like most other pool associations.)

So, unfortunately, these teens really didn't have a right to be there, but they came with the understanding that they would have access to the pool, which is why "some" of them got belligerent, started arguing with the lifeguards and the lone security person, and then began jumping the fence.

Of course, the residents of Craig Ranch know that these teens shouldn't be there because the rules are simple: two guests or up to twenty guests with a hefty deposit. They hear arguing, and they see teens jumping the fence.

When the crowd couldn't be controlled, some called the cops, apparently. Some also called the cops over the fight started by the behavior of two white women.

It was a very nasty situation, but I would not say that it was wrong to call the cops. You can't expect lifeguards to handle this situation.

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
104. None of this shit is true, there was a parent who was there and in charge of the party and never
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 01:54 AM
Jun 2015

... was spoken to by Blart Cop or the pool manager.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
128. I agree - pool rules very well may have been ignored or broken.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 04:28 PM
Jun 2015

That does not in any way excuse what the police did.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
150. sure....that explains the ugly actions of the adults
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:14 AM
Jun 2015

sure those idiot adults escalated the situation, a fact the you fail to mention...not a surprise.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
157. Do you have c/p's of those tweets?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:37 AM
Jun 2015

That would be helpful.

Also - you should look for video to back up your claim that there was a bunch of fence jumping going on.

Also - do you have recordings of these 911 calls?

These aren't rational claims without video, tweets, instagrams, etc etc. I mean . . .

Am I just supposed to go in hear say?

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
161. Here are pictures of the ads
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jun 2015
https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%23DimePieceCookout&src=tyah

Urban dictionary:

Dime Piece
When a girl is bangin', hot, beautiful, "A perfect ten."

There's plenty of information out there to give a reasonable picture of what happened: Kids upset that something promised was not going to happen.

Peace.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
162. Proxy server isn't responding? n/t
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:42 AM
Jun 2015

And the Dime Piece thing - that's used on DListed.com a great deal. I think Dan Quayles kid used to 'write reports' there!

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
68. Sorry but,
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:59 PM
Jun 2015

I'm sick of these scared white cops. Get some people in there with balls or ovaries who don't feel like they have to draw a gu every time they encounter more than 1 person, especially those with more skin pigment, in a group situation.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
100. I'm shellshocked now by the story of the other young teen --
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 12:57 AM
Jun 2015

the 13 year old Tacoma girl who jumped off the bridge after her father hacked off her hair because she had disobeyed him -- and then let someone post it on youtube. Did you hear about how she jumped off a bridge and killed herself?

I just don't understand people who can deliberately hurt children. I just can't.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
101. The kids showed remarkable self control
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 01:18 AM
Jun 2015

The cops should thank god those kids behaved rationally. I'm proud of them

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
106. They did. Everyone behaved well except for the "rogue cop"
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 02:05 AM
Jun 2015

and the adult female who apparently started the whole thing.

still_one

(92,216 posts)
107. The way the girl was treated and thrown around leaves no doubt in my mind the cop has a racist
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 02:22 AM
Jun 2015

problem

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
117. My theory is that he was more of a bully than a racist.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 10:12 AM
Jun 2015

He chose to attack the black children because he thought he could get away with it.

Bullies try to prove their "power" by beating up on anyone who is not likely to retaliate either physically or politically, hence blacks, older people, homeless, women and pets. In other words individuals are aren't protected adequately by Government.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
122. The white kid who filmed the video disagrees with you. He said that the cop
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 03:44 PM
Jun 2015

just passed over the white kids who were there and attacked the black kids. The white teen said he felt invisible.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
125. As I said in my post, bullies attack those who are less likely to be
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jun 2015

able to provide repercussions. But, in a sense, if one chooses to bully a black kid instead of a white one, it's racism, regardless of how the choice was made.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
123. how about a racist bully?
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 03:45 PM
Jun 2015

who did not pursue any of the white kids. he could attack the black kids because he knew FOX and a lot of racists would support him. black people most definitely are not protected adequately by government.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
119. Kicked and recommended! This cop's actions are inappropriate!
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jun 2015

He tries to shove the little girl's face in the dirt! Why?

What possible justification is there for shoving someone's face in the dirt?

Does the officer take some kind of perverse satisfaction from humiliating kids? WTF?

Look how quick he is to draw his gun. Again, WTF?

This guy is exactly the kind of cop that needs to look for a different sort of job.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
132. I would not treat a dog like he treated that girl...
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 04:48 PM
Jun 2015

pushing her head down to the ground.

I despise bullies.

Baitball Blogger

(46,727 posts)
136. You posed an interesting question.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 05:19 PM
Jun 2015

What if we reenact that same scene, but have a police man take down a blonde fourteen year old in a bikini? Maybe the visual image will be more effective in communicating to the doubters why we're so enraged?

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
152. we all know it would be a different story: no one would defend the cop
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:21 AM
Jun 2015

not Fox, and not the 'cops-are-always right' contingent here. no one would be lying about hundreds of kids showing up or the rules or the complex, etc. it would be a clear case of police abuse, with NONE of the parsing, hair-splitting an excuse-making that happens when the victim is black. no one on Fox would be claiming the victim 'was no angel' either. nor would racists set up a fund for the cop.

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