Actually Diane Rehm owes an apology to all US Jews

[Bonobo]

She has helped to spread the malicious and anti-Semitic meme that Jews are not loyal to the country of their birth.

This meme is ancient and has been an intrinsic part of anti-Semitism through the ages.

Pick a country and you will see that same charge leveled against Jews at some time or another.

As a Jew, I find this is a sickening and disturbing event. Just how DEEP does this feeling run. You have to wonder.

[randys1]

1. [phone]

[villager]

2. I guess we're lucky she didn't wave around a copy of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"

...during the interview...

[Bonobo]

4. That's true.

She didn't state that Bernie consumes the flesh of Christian babies either. That's something.

[appalachiablue]

151. or show clips from 'The Eternal Jew' Nazi film-

[riderinthestorm]

3. If you've ever listened to her 500+ shows per year, you'd know she agrees with you

she's one of the last liberal Dems on air.

I'm a loyal listener and I actually know she'd agree with you.

This is so out of character and bizarre...

[Fumesucker]

5. Only Nixon could go to China

An attack on Sanders' credibility from the Totebagger channel?

From a propaganda point of view I have a hard time thinking of a better way to slip this meme into a certain class of Democratic leaning voters.

My tinfoil hat is too tight
I couldn't get it off last night

[Bonobo]

27. You finally got it off? nt

[zeemike]

37. That has the making of a limerick.

My tinfoil hat is too tight
I couldn't get it off last night
And they tuned in on me
And I wanted to pee
But I knew it just wasn't right.

[Comrade Grumpy]

53. ...and now you've got Stinkbrain?

NB potential alerters: Not an insult, but an obscure song reference.

[FailureToCommunicate]

100. +1!

[pangaia]

6. I agree, 100000%

I can not believe the shit out here today.
It it is just sickening.
People have no idea what they are talking about and know nothing about her.

There seem to be more and more threads like these making immediate judgements, having fantasies, based on lack of info.

Even the POOL Party thing.

[elias7]

9. Especially the pool party thing

Anyone posting something that cautions against prejudging is ridiculed by the true believers

[pangaia]

11. Right. I was nervous about even mentioning it.

[sabrina 1]

25. You shouldn't be. I for one want to know the facts. I do not know her, but all week I saw

promos from Bernie's supporters all over the Social Media, for this show, so I assumed she was well respected. But when I saw this I thought she must be a Republican, in fact saw someone say that.

So I appreciate knowing what you have told us. In which case this was out of character. If she even had had a reliable credible source but if someone posted that here on DU with a link to that source, they probably would have their post hidden.

So why do you think she did something like that?

And btw, Bernie's campaign seems to just want to move past is and issued a very nice statement saying she is an excellent radio host and more or less saying people make mistakes.

Perhaps she will have him back and they can repair any damage done to either of them.

[pangaia]

40. Sabrina, I have no idea why it happened.

I would expect she is pretty embarrassed.
All kinds of theories around about it now, eh... Koch did it,. Bush did it.... maybe she just slipped. I truly have no idea...

She is, in my opinion, on our side for sure. I have heard her hold the feet of those on the right to the fire, albeit a campfire for marshmallows. :&gt )....at least briefly.. I mean, it is NPR..how far can she go without getting in trouble? I expect if she could go farther she would.
Her show is not a political show. He guests and topics run the gamut from astrophysics to poetry to gender issues to music, just about everything. And they are usually very interesting people.

You know,,,, when the day's topic is politics, even when she follows up on info or opinions from those on the left, I sometimes have the feeling she is honestly questioning something they said, but...you know... more as devil's advocate,...not in the same way she questions those on the right.. She does not suffer fools... again as far as her NPR leash will allow...

I think her show is good for what it is.....in the many topics she covers and the background research she does.

That's my take.

[sabrina 1]

59. Thanks, it makes it all the more strange that she make such an error of judgement.

People do, but if she is an intelligent person she would surely know what a terrible thing that is to the Jewish community, to imply that they are not loyal to this country. And if it is asked of one candidate only, one who is Jewish, but not anyone else, that definitely does have implications.

Anyhow, it is a mystery at this point.

[tishaLA]

309. I don't doubt she's "on our side," but I also think Bonobo is more right than wrong

It's entirely possible to have shitty research that leads to poorly-informed or poorly-constructed questions. I think her initial question to Sen Sanders falls into that category: she, or a producer or researcher or intern, read the stuff on Facebook, which is, after all, akin to doing research on the YouTube comments section, and went with it.

That, to me, is understandable and I am not one to pretend I can get into the head of anyone, so I wouldn't accuse her of furthering historical antisemitic canards based on one bad question. It was the followup that troubles me. Rather than just allowing Sen Sanders' denial to be the end of it, she went in whole hog, asking him about OTHER lawmakers who might have dual US-Israeli citizenship. That, to me, was a bridge too far for precisely the reasons Bonobo mentions in the OP.

[Bonobo]

7. I'm sure she's great.

But that doesn't change anything.

In fact, arguably it makes it worse.

Something like this from the other side and it is easy to think "Oh well what the fuck do they know!"

But when it comes from the Left.... it is scary because you wonder how deep it goes. How pervasive it is.

[riderinthestorm]

8. Something went drastically wrong here. This is so out of character...

I understand your reaction.

I can only offer my complete shock in response.

This is bizarre. She has many decades as a liberal Dem radio voice.

And now, this one comment...?

[Bonobo]

10. Sure sounds like it, but there is an explanation somewhere.

Damn, if I know what it is, but this is not meaningless.

[riderinthestorm]

15. Nope. It's not meaningless. nt

[REP]

26. Some people just do not realize their own prejudices

I'm sure you've met people who are careful to say "Jewish person" instead of "Jew" because they know "Jew" is a bad thing to call someone, and tell you how much they admire "Jewish people" for their skill with money. They have no idea that they're being offensive. I'm sure Rehm had no idea why the idea of Sanders or any other Jewish politician holding dual citizenship would be an offensive accusation. I do wonder at her naïveté that she never heard the slur, "The Senator from Israel" or had the common sense to fact check a Facebook post, for fuck's sake.

[cali]

28. bullshit. she travels in rarified circles. I don't buy that she's never heard the slur

[REP]

30. That's why I said I wondered at her naïveté - I rather doubt it, too

[appalachiablue]

289. She's been a fixture in media in WDC since 1973 where she was born in 1936.

This was no slip, the 'list we have' was planned, like the follow up question Re other Israeli dual citizens in Congress which Sanders is not responsible for and is crazy Jewish cabal stuff. A deliberate smear delivered by a 78 year old centrist, public radio host, a safe choice in many ways.

[REP]

13. That she unquestioningly accepted this old slander speaks volumes about her

And none of it is good. Fuck her bigot ass.

[riderinthestorm]

17. She's one of the last liberal Dem voices on radio. She does 500+/- shows/week

she has never missed a beat. Ever.

And now this?



Who fed her this line?

[REP]

21. And why did she so willingly swallow what was fed her?

Jews are still the untrustworthy Other.

[riderinthestorm]

33. Awful. Agreed nt

[cali]

29. she fed it to herself. she's admitted that.

[riderinthestorm]

35. Yup. She did. Typical Diane that she'd accept all responsibility

she's not the monster people are trying to paint.

I've been a loyal listener for a few decades. This is beyond bizarre for her.

[pangaia]

310. " Fuck her bigot ass. " ?

" Fuck her bigot ass. ? "


What happened to you last night?

[Scootaloo]

39. it was a massive fuckup on her part

I'm totally unfamiliar with her, so can't judge if this is a character thing, or just one of those "Oh, shit, fuck, shit" moments.

From what others are saying, I lean towards the latter. But it was such a journalistic fuckup that I would say she does deserve some sort of reprimand, and does indeed owe some big apologies.

[Kalidurga]

12. Personally I think the correct response is non of your damn business.

But, that is not how Bernie rolls. It is outrageous he was put on the spot for something that is his business alone. What if she had asked him about being a secret Muslim. I seriously doubt many people here would defend that.

[Cheese Sandwich]

14. I don't disagree with you but...

I have noticed the Bernie dual Israeli citizenship rumor has been floating around on the internet, and some people really wouldn't know whether to believe it.

There is maybe a positive side effect of what happened today, if it ends the meme, or contains the cancer.

Maybe show owes an apology but consider too that in some way maybe she did a favor by bringing the lie out into the open and giving Bernie a chance to respond.

As long as it was just slanders floating around in email and facebook then there was no way to effectively combat it.

[REP]

16. Every Jew in Congress has been called "the Senator from Israel"

It's an old slander antisemites love to toss around, then claim they're merely objecting to Israeli politics.

[Cheese Sandwich]

20. Ya I know, I'm not disagreeing with the OP.

Just raising a tangential point.

[REP]

22. It's so ridiculous it doesn't need addressing.

[Bonobo]

24. Yeah, but it does.

The same sentiment has been posted here on DU enough times to show that this thought is not just wrt Sanders.

It is a spoken and unspoken slur against all Jews. It needs to be fought whenever it occurs.

[REP]

32. Not in the way Rehm did it is what I meant.

[Bonobo]

34. Agreed. nt

[6chars]

64. a less appealing possibility

is that Israel is the new Kenya. (I am making a reference to the rumors about Obama's nation of birth that continued floating around the internet).

[Cheese Sandwich]

84. It is similar alright

Trying to paint people as other and foreign.

[bullwinkle428]

18. It's a variation on "birtherism", and quite frankly, equally vile.

[Behind the Aegis]

19. You are psychic! What are this week's lotto numbers?!?!

Oh wait, you just knew this would happen and tried to give people a head's up! What's really interesting is the Facebook page she used as a source was used here just two weeks ago. I also notice how some are trying to spin this as if it were just an innocent question.

[Bonobo]

23. We shouldn't pretend that this isn't lurking deep in our own side.

Anti-Semitism runs so deep and particularly with Israel being the big hated bully by many on the left, it has found a very comfortable soil in which to flourish -namely the old "loyalty" meme.

It is ancient (as you know) and it runs deep, deep, deep.

How can we trust those Jews to not blindly support Israel... no different that those who said that JFK was going to be loyal to the pope against US interests.

But going deeper, it is a slur against all Jews.

[Behind the Aegis]

137. I know you and I don't pretend, a few others don't as well.

This event has like caused the scales to drop from a few eyes, but we all know, this is just the first shot in the war. Frankly, his being a socialist will be a bigger issue, but for many it will be just one more way to skirt around anti-Semitism. It is not uncommon for many Jews to favor some form of socialism, but people actually understanding what socialism really is as opposed to how it is portrayed are very different things.

Like you said, this type of "dual loyalty" has a long, loooong history in regards to Jews, predating the creation of modern Israel.

[m-lekktor]

31. The first thing I thought of was comments on Bonobo's earlier thread.

"but he's a white male" etc. I don't listen to talk radio but apparently this lady is a liberal.

[Bonobo]

36. I never meant to suggest he wasn't "white" exactly.

But I think I can speak for most Jews when I say that that too is situational.

You may be white among a group of black people or other minorities, but when you're in a room filled with WASPs who's families go back to Plymouth Rock and like to wear club ties, you aren't and it's pretty clear.

Furthermore, the issue of being Jewish is never more than a quick step away. It's always lurking.

[REP]

38. It doesn't even need to be WASPs

The example I used upthread was my in-laws, who moments before I revealed I was One of Those People, had been saying, "Why don't Black people just go back to their own country like the Jews did?"

[Bonobo]

41. He didn't say "Did you eat?"

I distinctly heard him say "Jew eat?"

[REP]

42. Heh

Maybe the "good with money" was really "good with honey."

[m-lekktor]

44. i know what you meant

people were being slippery and intentionally mischaracterizing what you said for "partisan" reasons in that thread. Bernie must be the white male privilege guy for some who are desperate for a particular talking point to be valid. I saw people making all sorts of excuses to dismiss your concerns in that thread. I agree and realize everything you are saying in your posts on this.

[Bonobo]

48. Thanks. nt

[Rex]

83. I'm floored. nt

nt

[Half-Century Man]

43. As it stands, the question is out of context.

Her question was deliberate and carefully selected, it was the lead up to something. She expected Mr Sanders to respond in the affirmative. After which she would have made her point or dug deeper to expose "something".
We do not know what her point or objective was.
Without that, we have not enough to properly judge.

I think she didn't realize how the question would be received until she saw Mr. Sander reaction. I think whatever staff she has writing a set of questions for her to ask realized how badly this would blow up in their face.

During studying Japanese, I found a treasure trove of sayings. One of my favorites is Saru mo ki kara ochiru; even monkeys fall out of trees. Experts make mistakes, sometimes will good results like penicillin, some times with embarrassing results.

She gets a pass from me now, I will remember her name however.

[Bonobo]

45. Personally, it's like no big deal on the one hand... on a "single person" level

Yes, サルも木から落ちる (Even Monkeys fall from trees). I get that.

But this is an insidious and deeply rooted slur against Jews. It's not exactly out of left field and I guarantee every Jew on DU knows that.

[Half-Century Man]

71. I know, personnally. Ah-nee y'hoo-dee (I don't have an aleph-bet font generator)

Ever time I hear some anti-Semitic horseshit colloquialism or talking point said by anyone even vaguely know; I have to try to remember, does he/she know who I am? Do they really think like that? Is this just background noise from their past or the tip of deep laying hatred? Is the good I saw there before, just a shell over something immensely foul?

[treestar]

275. Why not just answer?

It's not a "slur" any more than when asked of anyone else with any ties to any other country.

No you are using this to make it impossible to take the position we should not continue to prop Israel. That's where the slur comes in. Rather than just say "No, I'm American first and America's interests, not Israel's" guide my positions on the issues, it is more important not to say that and play the victim for being asked. Right wingers get to hide behind this one too, as their interests in Israel are military and warmongering, and they don't have to say so.

[beam me up scottie]

282. What "ties" does Bernie have to another country?

[KittyWampus]

285. Treestar doesn't even try to say Bernie has ties to another country. YOU are the one creating

that fiction.

[beam me up scottie]

296. Bullshit. They did that and much worse.

Why not just answer?

It's not a "slur" any more than when asked of anyone else with any ties to any other country.

No you are using this to make it impossible to take the position we should not continue to prop Israel. That's where the slur comes in. Rather than just say "No, I'm American first and America's interests, not Israel's" guide my positions on the issues, it is more important not to say that and play the victim for being asked. Right wingers get to hide behind this one too, as their interests in Israel are military and warmongering, and they don't have to say so.

Bernie has no "ties" to any other country. It's an anti-semitic slur to claim that Jews' loyalty should be questioned just because they're Jewish.

It's allowed when it is any other country.

I do not want someone who puts Israel first in any office, let alone the Presidency.

You'd be fine with a POTUS that puts some other country first?

This is a "victimhood" very light compared to what other groups of people have put up with.

I have known at least one person who admitted Israel was more important.

If you want to be POTUS, state clearly and unequivocally that the US is your first priority.

Nope, nothing wrong with saying those things about a Jewish American, nothing at all.

[Jefferson23]

55. You misunderstand. She did not ask him anything. She stated it as fact, when he pushed back

she kept it up anyway, he finally cuts her off.

Why is this individual even looking for this question on the internet and why did
she not check her sources...she did not blame staff, she appears to take responsibility
for it. She also has interviewed Bernie in the past, never asked him this before..so
why now?


Diane Rehm: Senator, you have dual citizenship with Israel.

Bernie Sanders: Well, no I do not have dual citizenship with Israel. I'm an American. I don't know where that question came from. I am an American citizen, and I have visited Israel on a couple of occasions. No, I'm an American citizen, period.

Rehm: I understand from a list we have gotten that you were on that list.

Sanders: No.

Rehm: Forgive me if that is—

Sanders: That's some of the nonsense that goes on in the internet. But that is absolutely not true.

Rehm: Interesting. Are there members of Congress who do have dual citizenship or is that part of the fable?

http://www.jewishjournal.com/mostthingsconsidered/item/did_npr_host_diane_rehm_just_accuse_bernie_sanders_of_being_an_israeli_citi

[Fred Sanders]

56. All seems fairly tame, what the heck is all the fuss about?

[Fumesucker]

62. Senator Obama, you were born in Kenya

[Jefferson23]

74. Exactly. n/t

[Jefferson23]

73. There is nothing tame about it, Fred. She made a query on the internet about dual loyalty

and quite frankly, we don't know what results she received. The one she
admitted to and posted should have been abundantly clear to her she was in
anti-semitic territory but that fact escaped her.

One gets the sense, I feel, that she is pushing forward in the interview
rather confident...then Sanders draws the line. It is striking to me her response to
him initially..she says to his clear no....Interesting.

Why is she looking for this crap in the first place? Why would a professional not
check her sources?

[Fred Sanders]

76. Would asking Senator Cruz if he had dual citizenship re: Canada, be anti-Canuck? Of course not...so..

[Bonobo]

78. Fred Sanders doesn't see anti-Semitism so it doesn't exist.

Got you. Us Jews should just shut up about it.

[Fred Sanders]

80. And some see it everywhere. Ad hominem? Weak. The interview line of questioning was anti-Semitic.....how?

[Bonobo]

88. It is clearly impossible to get you to understand.

Others have tried.

I won't waste my time.

[Fred Sanders]

89. Ad hominems are not helpful for understanding anything.

[Bonobo]

90. Please quote my ad hominem. I will wait. nt

[Coventina]

102. Psst: You'll be waiting a long time......

[840high]

126. No surprise coming from Fred.

[leftynyc]

249. You can't possibly be surprised

that poster doesn't see anti-semitism. You've been here too long for that.

[Jefferson23]

86. You know what? I can't help you, but I assure you what she did and WHO she asked

is as I said..anti-semitic.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

93. Having read some of your stupid shit in the past. I used to think it was an act. I'm

not so sure now. Well played.

[Fred Sanders]

95. You honor me with your pedestrian-grade insults, sir.

[Bonobo]

104. Oh!!!!

That "feels" about right.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

111. Doesn't it? There's something veeeery

familiar here. Maybe I should put a list together

[JI7]

205. graham4anything is jewish

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

209. I looked it up. It seems you're right. On the other hand it's always struck me as performance art.nt

[JI7]

212. his "michelle obama for president" stuff may have been , but his personal stuff was real

in those things he didn't come off as a jackass seeking attention and was actually more normal .

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

214. I stand corrected. nt

[beam me up scottie]

246. Would telling Obama that he had dual citizenship with Kenya be racist?

You bet your fucking ass.

She didn't "ask" him anything.

She repeated an anti-semitic slur.

[SusanCalvin]

96. Tame???

She stated it as a fact, initially refused to accept his answer, then asked him for a "list"??? Something fishy here.

[Art_from_Ark]

243. She wants a little list

[cali]

117. I'm shocked that you have such a very high tolerance for antisemitism. wait, considering

some of your posts, I'm not the littlest bit surprised.

[Half-Century Man]

77. A minor misunderstanding on my part.

The majority of my point stands; she was deliberately starting a line of conversation which she planned to go in a certain direction. As things worked out, that conversation was stopped abruptly. We don't know what exactly she intended to talk about.

I would not want to be convicted on such evidence, so I won't do it to her. I will watch however, she is certainly questionable.

[Jefferson23]

82. She posted her source, I don't believe that leaves anything to the imagination.

If the interview began with, today we are going to speak about anti-semitic
claims that are used against Jews..especially when they may be in charge of
foreign policy.

But that didn't happen, did it?

[Half-Century Man]

85. I had not seen a link to her source.

If you would be so kind.

[Jefferson23]

94. It is listed in this OP on the subject, facebook comments.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026812327

[SusanCalvin]

101. Good grief.

I'm no fan of AIPAC, but how anyone could consider that a credible source upon even a cursory glance is beyond me.

[Rex]

112. Exactly what I thought too.

Never thought I would see the day when someone on NPR would be quoting nazi propaganda to a Jewish person and demanding (when they get their feelings hurt) they are TOO on 'the list'!

WTF!?

I've seen everything now...I don't think anything can top that.

[Half-Century Man]

108. Well that certainly is a heaping double scoop of evil shit right there.

I now convinced her undisclosed point would be fairly awful. I cannot imagine a point using that source could be anything else.

[6chars]

67. She asked it right after a bunch of questions about the middle east

it seems she had something in mind for that line of questioning. don't know what though.

[MisterP]

46. hey, I was right--after the Muslims we're going after either Jews or Chinese

[Rex]

47. To state he was on 'the list', is so insulting in such a deep way that I am shocked

at her actions and her passing it off like SHE stopped a rumor! UM NO, you just added fuel to the fire.

[Bonobo]

49. "The list". OMFG. nt

[Rex]

50. Exactly I was so shocked I nearly fell out of my chair.

And when he said he was offended (but very nice about it) I wanted to crawl under the chair...I bet she has no idea.

EDIT - Does she even know anything about Bernie Sanders?

[Oilwellian]

210. Yes, a Nazi list of all Jews in Congress

Now we can refer to it as Rehm's List.

[Rex]

290. Can you believe it!? She started to demand he was on a list with other Jews!

Holyfuckingshitandahandshake! It takes cultural insensitivity to a level I never thought NPR would sink to.

[Coventina]

51. Agreed. Her "source" is vile. There is simply NO excuse for her use of it.

None.

I took a look at the Facebook list and it is beyond sickening.

[LittleBlue]

52. I was waiting for her to ask Bernie if Jews have horns

Ya know, cuz someone said it on Facebook

[Fred Sanders]

57. The whole thing has been blown up out of all proportion, and out of context. Is Bernie upset?

See post 55.

[Bonobo]

61. Ugh.

See the world.

[sabrina 1]

66. I do not agree. This was going around the internet as if it was a fact until fortunately a quick

response from people who DID do their homework forced a quick apology. In fact here alone I saw the question being defended as if Bernie was 'hiding' something. I posted a link to the apology to put an end to that kind of nasty speculation.

[LittleBlue]

69. Probably not. Bernie has probably been called everything during his career

It's just disappointing. There was no need for it

[Fred Sanders]

79. What "name" was he called by the interviewer? Maybe I missed that part.

[Rex]

87. Not a single name, there was just a demand that he was on 'a list' of fellow Jews.

Which he IS, on a website that is nothing but nazi propaganda. THAT she quoted from a Facebook page.

Get it now?

[SusanCalvin]

107. The whole thing is absolutely nuts.

Something's behind this. I can't believe, based on what others here say about her, that she just saw that site and went with it. Something was planted. Why did she buy it?

[H2O Man]

75. bullshit

[Bluenorthwest]

54. But she has a list!

So bigoted and in such classic forms. Accusations, insinuations and mentioning of unseen lists. Disgusting.

[H2O Man]

58. Recommended.

I was stunned that anyone would ask such a terrible, ignorant, and even hateful of a question. I agree with the OP. More, I think she needs to take ownership of her error in a very open, honest, and public manner.

I'm not Jewish. Some of my extended family is, but I think that I would find that exchange insulting and even dangerous, no matter. We need to shine a bright light on these types of things, and fight the attempts to divide people, by using hatreds, fears, and ignorance.

[Rex]

63. I'm not Jewish either, but that just floored me.

I really WANT to believe she is that clueless...however her 'source' came from a site that is nothing but nazi propaganda.

[H2O Man]

72. Right.

I'm not familiar with the journalist. A DUer that I have a lot of respect for has said that she is usually solid. I take this DUer when she says that. But that really makes it even uglier?

[Rex]

81. It does, I listened to her on TPR for years and years. I am glad Bernie Sanders played it down.

But you could tell it hurt.

[Bonobo]

65. Thanks, H2O.

I appreciate your comment.

[H2O Man]

68. All thanks to you.

I appreciate your OP, and the comments here.

These things really bother me.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

60. There's something extra special about the United States though...

[AtomicKitten]

70. Thank you.

Such a bizarre, uninformed interview. I am embarrassed, for her.

Cheers.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

91. It's interesting how there's not a single Hillary avatar in this entire thread. What, Hillary

supporters can't comment on this, or what?

[Bonobo]

92. I think there are Hillary supporters on this thread.

I wish there were more though. It shouldn't be a partisan issue.

[leftynyc]

250. I've already commented on the

several threads about this story. What are you trying to say?

[OnyxCollie]

97. I thought Diane Rehm was Jewish.

Guess not.

[oberliner]

110. Why did you think that?

Did you know that she is an Arab-American?

[kwassa]

98. I think you owe an apology to Diane Rehm

"Jew eat? Jew eat?"

Woody Allen satirizing Jews who see anti-Semitism where none exists, in the opening of "Annie Hall"

Basically this is what you are doing here.

you are looking at the world through the wrong end of a telescope.

[Rex]

106. She was quoting nazi propaganda from a known hate site! WOW!

Would you like a link to the page she got the list from? Hint, it did not come from some random Facebook user.

AGAIN, since some seem to be having problems understanding what happened - Diane Rehm used (intentionally or unintentionally) nazi propaganda on a potential presidential candidate and then played it off like no big deal.

[Coventina]

109. Not only that, but she followed up with a request that Bernie "name names"!!!

Right out of the McCarthy playbook.

Diane Rehm is in no way owed ANY apology.

She needs a time out or retirement.

[Bonobo]

113. Yes, that is a great point.

That jumped out at me as well but I forgot it until you mentioned it.

That was also sickening.

[kwassa]

114. and what is your proof of that?

[Rex]

115. The webpage that she quoted it from.

[beam me up scottie]

128. Here it is:

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=836554619769208&id=100002440347169&set=p.836554619769208&source=47

[kwassa]

139. and what is your proof that she quoted from this webpage?

[Rex]

149. She admitted to reading a facebook comment and believing it enough to make it a question

the comment is from someone on FB that links to a nazi propaganda site. The list she was insisting was real, came from a hate site. You can keep pretending not to understand or ignore that and the links.

Your call.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/dualcitizensobamaadmin23aug12.shtml

That is the site that the list came from...so you decide how smart it was for her to use an unsourced comment by a FB user as a fact that came from a hate site for neo-nazis.

That she passed it off as her ending a rumor is amazing, I am glad Bernie Sanders played it down and stopped her from continuing to spout nazi propaganda.

[kwassa]

153. and where is the proof that she read the facebook comment from this site?

How do you know she read it from here?

[beam me up scottie]

156. Does it matter which anti-semitic source she got it from?

[kwassa]

159. I knew you had no connection. You made it up.

I know you well.

[beam me up scottie]

162. You know me well? WTF? There is another GD thread with the same info.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6812327

[kwassa]

164. But it is not information. Where is the proof that Diane read from this site?

Do better.

[beam me up scottie]

170. If she had accused Obama of having "dual citizenship w/Kenya would you be defending her?

She used a known anti-semitic dog whistle.

Why are you defending it?

[kwassa]

176. I would be asking for her source of the information.

as it is clearly wrong. As it is with Bernie.

Dual citizenship is meaningless. It is not a judgement.

[beam me up scottie]

182. It is a KNOWN anti-semitic dog whistle. Just like calling him a Zionist.

If you are so clueless that you don't know this, educate yourself and stop accusing us of making up the issue.

We're not the only ones who called her out on it.

[kwassa]

197. No dog whistle, just a jump to judgement based nothing, with no evidence.

Just because lots of people do it does not make it true.

This is the Internet, where false memes travel at the speed of light.

[beam me up scottie]

207. So if she had used a racist talking point to accuse Obama of divided loyalty you'd be okay with it?

Somehow I doubt it.

If she is such a stellar journalist she would have done her research.

I don't expect you to know any better but she should have.

[kwassa]

223. What does Obama have to do with this? Oh, everything is his fault.

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about Diane Rehm.

[beam me up scottie]

226. Wrong. I'm illustrating the double standard some are using to dismiss anti-semitic bigotry on DU.

Why are you so willing to overlook it?

[Coventina]

193. And she has replied that her source was Facebook.

Are you going to defend that example of stellar journalism?

[cali]

280. There are plenty of Jewish DUers saying in no uncertain terms that it is antisemitic

And explaining why. Who are you to tell them it is not? And educate yourself. It's easy. You might start with the Dreyfus affair, though this canard is far more ancient than that. Oh, and there is no website or Facebook page with a bogus piece of shit list that isn't antisemitic, so which one she culled it from is academic.

[Rex]

161. I know she read it from a facebook site that linked to that site.

She admitted to it and apologized? Did you miss most of this thread and some of the others?

[kwassa]

168. Show me the link that proves she read from that site.

[Rex]

173. I did, you probably should actually look at the links provided instead of just replying.

I should have read your signature line/disclaimer...I am glad you like to pretend to care about things that outrage others...that is real cute btw.

[H2O Man]

233. She clearly should

have considered the source. (I'd say that applies to deciding who to debate on DU:GD, too. Consider the source. Some sources aren't worthy of the investment of time.)

[Rex]

234. Too true.

I 'm glad I stopped when I did, should have read the sig line from the get-go.

[beam me up scottie]

152. You know of any other fb lists accusing Sanders of having dual citizenship?

It's been covered by Salon, Dailykos and other websites.

It was completely unprofessional for Diane Rehm to make accusations against Mr. Sanders of that nature. Her excuse was that she got it from a "list" -- the only lists that we find are the kind of crackpot conspiracy theory lists and chain mail letters floating around on the Internet. They can't find anything about Bernie Sanders like they can Hillary Clinton, so they make it about him.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/10/1392189/-WAMU-s-Diane-Rehm-Uses-Antisemitic-Slur-Against-Bernie-Sanders

Why are you pretending this isn't an issue?

[kwassa]

160. I have no idea what Diane Rehm reads, but for you to SUPPOSE ....

without proof is essentially worthless.

[beam me up scottie]

165. Did you even bother to fucking read the excerpt from Dailykos?

It was completely unprofessional for Diane Rehm to make accusations against Mr. Sanders of that nature. Her excuse was that she got it from a "list" -- the only lists that we find are the kind of crackpot conspiracy theory lists and chain mail letters floating around on the Internet.

She specifically said she got it from fb.

[Rex]

178. NO, this seems to be just another game...I gave direct links and they were ignored.

I should have read the posters signature line first and saved myself a lot of time.

[beam me up scottie]

238. He's excusing bigotry because he favours a particular journalist.

We've seen this before (2008) and it's just as ugly this time around.

[Rex]

288. To make excuses for someone that started to demand a Jew is on a certain list with other Jews

is about the most vile thing I've ever heard or read about. I DON'T CARE WHO DID IT. Vile. Disgusting. Wrong.

The man's family fled the nazi ghettos of POLAND FOR GOD'S SAKE! As a former world history teacher, I just cannot casually let this slide.

Bernie Sanders did...but he is a bigger man than I. I would have probably lost it on her show...I don't give two shits if the rest of the interview went 'awesomely'. What she did was so low that I am really wondering if it was a planted question. I know you and I have fought like cats and dogs over a few issues...but her line of questioning was vile (even if it was just for 30 seconds, why does that matter?) and I don't think either of us would ever sink as low as some here that are defending DR.

I skipped out on this place in 2008 during the primaries, didn't want to see the vileness and I can see now I made a good decision.

[beam me up scottie]

297. And it's only going to get worse.

The swift boating has begun.

I think we agree on pretty much everything, Rex.

[Rex]

298. Pretty much yes we do.

I have to admit that this sorry chapter is the first time I am really seeing how Jews get treated here on DU. I've listened to nadin talk about it a lot...but seeing it now and raw is repulsive. I never venture into the I/P forum, but I see now why there is a group.

Wow.

[beam me up scottie]

299. It's usually much more subtle.

Juries have let a lot of anti-semitic posts stand, probably because of ignorance.

That's why I posted the info about dog whistles in a separate op.

We need to get in front of this now.

[Rex]

304. Thanks for all that you are doing to keep this an issue.

We will stay on top of it and anything else that crawls out of the slime will get a spotlight shined on it. I don't care if it is sexism toward HRC or anti-semitic posts toward Sanders or anything else that is crap that progressives SHOULD be railing against.

[beam me up scottie]

305. You said it - whether it's directed at Obama, Hillary or any other Dem.

No one here should be excusing bigotry, or even worse - applauding it.

[Behind the Aegis]

144. Why would he owe her an apology?

She made the accusation, not Bonobo.

Y'know what is really insulting when a minority complains about being disrespected and a majority person comes along to tell the minority how wrong s/he is. It is so easily 'splained.

[kwassa]

145. what makes Bernie any more a minority than Rehm??

riddle me that.

[Behind the Aegis]

146. Who said Rehm wasn't?

How is that even relevant? When is anti-Semitism not anti-Semitism? Riddle me that!

[kwassa]

154. How is claiming someone has dual citizenship anti-Semitism?

[Bad Thoughts]

157. Because it suggests the person has other loyalties

That they are primarily motivated by race, and their oaths to this country are covers for covert activity.

[kwassa]

163. Bullshit. Such ideas are projections.

There are many Americans with dual citizenship. This is about heritage, nothing more.

[Bad Thoughts]

167. It's bullshit that works

There is a long history of accusing minority groups, Jews in particular (even in the United States), of not being completely loyal Americans. And it doesn't take much digging to find people in contemporary America who feel that American Jews attempt to swing the US Government in support of Israel.

[kwassa]

169. and Kennedy was supposed to be a pawn of the Pope.

this is not unique to Jews.

Think again.

[Bad Thoughts]

174. I never said it was unique to Jews, did I?

It is a tool used by bigots and racists of all strips. The "Zionist" angle is itself specifically antisemitic.

[kwassa]

181. and what Zionist angle would that be?

why do I ask?

[Bad Thoughts]

187. That Sanders would be primarily dedicated to Zionist/Jewish causes, not American ones

And hopefully you are asking to educate yourself.

[kwassa]

190. Where did Diane Rehm say that? Can you quote directly?

Thank you.

[Bad Thoughts]

198. That is the implication of drawing attention to "divided loyalties"

That is the power of these types of insinuations: they allow the reader/ listener to draw inferences at will without the writer actually articulating a fabricated or misconstrued attack.

Remember when Obama was constantly questioned about Kenya, his father's religion, and his time in Indonesia. Remember how they tried to associate him with fundamentalist madrassas?

Remember how Obama's birth certificate was used to stir up people who believed either he was not a citizen or not a Christian?

You remember, don't you?

[kwassa]

199. So, you are just making this up? thank you very much.

Diane never said Zionist.

[Bad Thoughts]

201. I never said she did. I only explained how insinuations such as these work. eom.

[kwassa]

206. So, you are convicting Diane with your projections? interesting how that works.

[Bad Thoughts]

213. "Mr. Obama, where do you keep your birth certificate? I heard it is in a State Dept. Vault"

What if Mrs. Rehms had asked this question? It says literally nothing about what she would think about his nationality. Perhaps she might have been generally curious about how organized his home is--does he fold his own shirts, etc.? Even at that level, it would have played into narratives that used racism to taint his legitimacy. Even if it were accidental, she would need to apologize for perpetuating a racist narrative.

See how it works? Surely you know something about institutional racism, particularly how it can ensnare well-intention, but sometimes clueless people, in perpetuating the system of racism? Surely you know these things. I'll be you know more than you are letting on.

[kwassa]

216. Did Diane ask this question? I think not.

[Bad Thoughts]

217. You don't understand insinuation. You don't understand intellectual exercises. Hmm ... eom.

[kwassa]

220. It isn't insinuation. It is your personal projection.

That is on you, not on Diane.

[Bad Thoughts]

225. Good night, Kwassa

I hope you are more savvy in real life: that you understand the subtle ways that people try to exploit, denigrate, disempower, and take from you; that you understand the meaning behind rhetoric; that you know how institutions can enslave as much as people; and that even your well-meaning friends need a little education. And maybe you will read more broadly about the national and global histories of discrimination of all races, ethnicities, and minorities.

[cali]

281. your decision to stick to your position can no longer be attributed to ignorance.

[Behind the Aegis]

166. Because it is an age-old anti-Semitic canard.

It isn't "someone", she "asked" this of a Jew because he is Jewish. She didn't ask, she told him and it was based on something she found from an anti-Semitic Facebook page. I wonder, if she had asked Obama if he was really from Kenya because she read it on a Facebook page written by an out-and-out racist, if the telescope would be reversed.

[leftynyc]

251. Are you completely ignorant of the fact

that charges of dual loyalty have been leveled at Jews for hundreds (perhaps thousands) of years? Seriously? It's been posted right here on DU enough times for me to have trouble believing that.

[COLGATE4]

279. Not ignorant. Just deliberately obtuse. nt

[leftynyc]

284. I've already seen

plenty of nonsense about this right here on DU. That she's perhaps a little older and not so tech savvy. Excuses galore for this moron who calls herself a journalist. YOu would think the fact that "list" has shown up here on DU would be enough of a red flag for people. Disgusting.

[beam me up scottie]

155. When the dog whistle blows, some come running and then claim to be deaf.

[Behind the Aegis]

171. You got that right!

I have never seen so much 'spalining to Jewish posters in a long ass time! Now, we owe Rehm an apology!



Definitely applies to a few.

[Coventina]

175. How about "I'm sorry you're too stupid to do fact-checking of hate sites"

[Behind the Aegis]

184. My issue is with her apology and taking "credit" for dispelling the myth.

Like that was her damn plan all along.

[Coventina]

191. I know. The whole thing stinks.

Why did she follow up with a question to Bernie to "name names" of those who DO (as she believes) have dual citizenship?

Creepy.

[Rex]

204. Why would he even know!? Why does she assume he should know!?

I was waiting to see if she was going to ask for his papers next. Truly one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen or heard from her show and NPR.

[Coventina]

218. Because all Jews are in on it together, doncha know?

They share a hive mind, or something...

Next, they'll be infiltrating our precious bodily fluids....

[Rex]

300. This is as bad as

talking about 'poisoned wells' and the secret 'Jew bankers' that rule the world. And that DR said it on NPR...just...wtf man wtf.

Nice call on the Dr. Strangelove quote!

[beam me up scottie]

179. When someone spends this much time defending anti-semitic propaganda against its critics...

you have to wonder why they're so upset.

[kwassa]

186. I've actually listened to Diane Rehm many times. Have you?

[Behind the Aegis]

195. And that magically makes what she did not anti-Semitic?

Whether you have listened to her or not isn't relevant.

[Rex]

208. IKR!?!

WOW.

[kwassa]

172. Write again when you find proof.

I won't stand by waiting.

Diane Rehm is both local and a major progressive force on the radio. I haven't heard such a string of ignorance on DU in a very long time.

[beam me up scottie]

177. Tell it to Dailykos, Salon and other liberal websites.

[kwassa]

180. So? They don't know either, apparently.

[beam me up scottie]

185. Right. According to kwassa everyone else is mistaken.

Good to know.

[kwassa]

188. No. Just people who haven't listened to Diane Rehm and think they know something.

like, everyone in this thread?

[beam me up scottie]

192. Don't know what? That accusing a Jewish senator of dual citizenship is anti-semitic?

Apparently you're the only one who doesn't know that.

[SusanCalvin]

267. Not to mention stupid and unprofessional

Seeing that a) it wasn't true, b) this could have been easily verified, and c) the "proof" she cited could have come from nowhere except a sketchy website - whether or not it's the exact one cited here, *she* said she got it from fb (unprofessional in itself) and all currently located fb sites with this list are anti-Semitic.

Very fishy, one way or another.

[beam me up scottie]

278. Yes, at best it's unbelievably stupid and reckless.

At worst she knowingly used the slur against Bernie and then pretended she didn't know any better.

[Oilwellian]

235. That is just so, perfectly said.

Thank you.

[beam me up scottie]

236. You're welcome!

I will usually believe someone when they say they're ignorant of bigotry, but when they've been given ample evidence of it and still deny that it exists I have to question their motives.

[Coventina]

158. She presented a lie as fact on her show.

If you think that's OK, then your standard of journalism is really, really low.

[kwassa]

194. and she was corrected, and she apologized.

and what is the problem with that?

Diane Rehm is a progressive Democrat who has been on NPR since the earliest days and is syndicated all over the US with her show.

those who wish to crucify her with this one comment don't know her.

[beam me up scottie]

196. So you admit she was wrong to cite anti-semitic propaganda?

[kwassa]

202. I'm still waiting for you to find the cite, which you have no idea of ...

or you would be able to prove the link by now.

[beam me up scottie]

211. It doesn't matter which anti-semitic propaganda source she used, kwassa.

The fact that she used bigoted propaganda at all shows she's either lousy at her job or has another agenda.

[kwassa]

219. You can't prove that she used ANY anti-semitic source.

I suggest you do some research before you start arguing with me, or you will lose this argument, as you lost many with me from years ago.

You have nothing.

[beam me up scottie]

222. Where else would she get an anti semitic slur from?

What kind of journalist uses obviously bigoted propaganda and doesn't know that its source isn't credible?

[kwassa]

224. Saying someone has dual citizenship is not an anti-Semitic slur.

You're welcome.

[beam me up scottie]

227. "WAMU's Diane Rehm Uses Antisemitic Slur Against Bernie Sanders"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/10/1392189/-WAMU-s-Diane-Rehm-Uses-Antisemitic-Slur-Against-Bernie-Sanders

[beam me up scottie]

228. "NPR host falls for anti-Semitic Israeli citizenship hoax"

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/10/diane_rehms_massive_bernie_sanders_oops_npr_host_falls_for_anti_semitic_israeli_citizenship_hoax/

[beam me up scottie]

231. "Jewish Dems Denounce Offensive Questioning of Sen. Sanders"

The National Jewish Democratic Council today harshly criticized WAMU host Diane Rehm for asserting on air that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, holds dual citizenship with Israel. The organization demanded an apology from Rehm, noting that there was no evidence for her claim and that such implications toward American Jewish politicians have long been an anti-Semitic canard.

Greg Rosenbaum, chair of the NJDC Board of Directors, stated,

“It is appalling that in today’s age, a longtime Jewish elected official would face implications that he splits his loyalty between the United States and Israel for no reason other than his religion. This anti-Semitic canard of dual loyalty has persisted for decades, particularly about American Jews in public service. To directly ask, as Diane Rehm did, if there are members of Congress who hold dual citizenship with Israel is unbelievably offensive and completely indefensible. There are no legitimate sources that claim that Sen. Sanders holds Israeli citizenship, and if Diane Rehm was citing one of the many dark, anti-Semitic corners of the Internet as her source, we have grave doubts as to her journalistic credentials.

“Furthermore, Ms. Rehm’s subsequent statement that she is glad to have been able to put this ‘rumor’ to rest is no apology at all. In fact, she implied that had she simply asked the senator if he held Israeli citizenship rather than stating it as fact, it would have somehow been acceptable. This ‘rumor’ is one that she has helped perpetuate and advance. Ms. Rehm owes Sen. Sanders and the American Jewish community an immediate and genuine apology. There is no room in our public discourse for such baseless accusations.”

http://www.njdc.org/dianerehm061015

[beam me up scottie]

237. Well what about it, kwassa?

Nothing to say now?

[neverforget]

239. You have far more patience with that poster than I would have.

None so blind as those that refuse to see.

[beam me up scottie]

241. It's not our first dance.

Thanks!

[AtheistCrusader]

312. Would you like to buy some oceanfront property on the moon?

I'm selling, cheap.

[kfreed]

313. It is when you harbor hatred for Jews based on racist conspiracy theories

Yes it is. It implies that Jews aren't loyal Americans. It's an antisemitic charge as old as the hills wielded by white supremacists in the mold of Ron Paul to further far right racist "New World Order" conspiracy theories - oddly similar to the beliefs espoused by current #BLM mouthpiece Louis Farrakhan. That's why all the squirrelly behavior all of a sudden.

Turns out Miss Merissa Johnson is a black separatist planning a March in Washington with Louis "Kill Whitey" Farrakhan: http://rollingout.com/2015/08/10/min-louis-farrakhan-message-justice-else-calls-retaliation/

whose ideas about Jews rival those of white supremacist Ron Paul: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/louis-farrakhan

Refer back to the other thead for more on that: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027064820

You need to get gone, because there is no reason decent people need to be entertaining this. You're welcome.

[Coventina]

200. I am well aware of DR's show. I strongly disagree that she is a progressive Democrat.

I quit listening to her show during the Bush years as she regularly had right-wingers on her show and let them spout their nonsense unchallenged.

All that aside, that she would be so sloppy about this, is deeply disturbing.

Why is she not more forthcoming about where she got this "list" she referred to?
That's what she defended herself with during the show.

She needs to come clean or she won't be trusted.

"I read it on Facebook" is not the apology of a professional.

[mopinko]

99. i wish i could say it is surprising how many times mods here

removed the same slur. but i am not surprised, and i doubt you would be either.

[Sancho]

105. Normally, Diane Rehm tends to be liberal, but she is of Arab/Christian heritage.

She speaks some Arabic I believe - and I think her mother was Arab.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Rehm
"Diane Rehm (/ˈriːm/; born Diane Aed; September 21,[1] 1936) is an Arab-American public radio talk show host."

Regardless, if you are looking for motivation though....think about Christian/independent voters who make up much of the Rehm audience. I would think that a bias against Israel (pro-Palestine) and maybe favoritism toward a different candidate would make it easy to point out to the listeners that Bernie was Jewish or "pro Israel". I've heard Rehm take sides before, and she may think that a liberal position includes a two state solution or something similar.

Among independent, usually Christian undecided voters; being Jewish is a negative. Since Bernie rarely discusses religion, most people hearing him likely didn't know anything about him. I think that being Jewish will be used against Bernie at some point anyway, and I expect Rehm's mistake (whether purposeful or not) is pretty mild compared to what may be coming down in the future.

http://thedianerehmshow.org/about

"Each week, more than 2.4 million listeners across the country tune in to the program, which has grown from a small local morning call-in show on Washington’s WAMU 88.5 to one of public broadcasting’s most listened-to programs. Each hour includes dialogue with listeners who call, e-mail, tweet or post to Facebook to join Diane’s virtual community and take part in a civil exchange of ideas.

Diane’s guests include many of the nation’s top newsmakers, journalists and authors. Guests include former president Bill Clinton, General Tommy Franks, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Julie Andrews and Toni Morrison. Newsweek calls the program one of the most interesting talk shows in the country. The National Journal says Diane is “the class act of the talk radio world.”

The Diane Rehm Show placed among the top 9 most powerful programs in public radio for Spring 2014 and Fall 2013. Power is defined as the ability to drive listening to a station by leveraging listening across multiple hours. It is the only live call-in talk show on this elite list.

Also in 2010, Diane won a coveted George Foster Peabody Personal Award. The Peabodys, the oldest awards in broadcasting, are considered among the most prestigious and selective prizes in electronic media. Personal Peabody Awards are not given annually; previous winners include Walter Cronkite, Bill Moyers, Oprah Winfrey and Bob Hope, among others. The award honors Diane’s more than 35 years in public broadcasting as host of The Diane Rehm Show, calling the program the “gold standard in civic, civil discourse.”

[merrily]

118. That's going from one broad brush to another.

People of Arab heritage are capable of being objective about Jews. If she is not, it's because of who she is, not because she was born with Arab genes.

[JI7]

148. has she discussed this issue before on her show ?

[Sancho]

253. I don't listen everyday, but yes, she has discussed Israel and the mideast many times.

As far as I know, she has never had Bernie Sanders on the show. It's typical of Rehm to ask personal questions. It's also typical for her to confront controversy.

She has had guests that were pretty radical, so some express far out opinions. She often has an "international hour" with guests who represent different POV: Palestine, Israel, etc. Some of the guests express radical positions.

You can listen to some her shows. I get her on XMradio. Here's a link:

http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows

[Ken Burch]

116. Holy Moses!( "Jesus!", isn't the right epithet here, obviously).

Did this happen today?

I assume NPR is going to can her for this.

[Coventina]

120. yes, today's show.

Unbelievable.
And sickening.

[Ken Burch]

123. I just checked out what happened online.

What the &$%! did she mean that she saw "a list"?

Bernie went easy on her, if anything.

[Coventina]

134. Agreed. Especially when she just vaguely alluded to "a list"

and didn't name where that list came from.

[Ken Burch]

141. Historically, things go to a really bad place when people start keeping lists of Jews.

Or lists of anyone else.

[Coventina]

143. Agreed 100%. It was truly shocking on so many levels

1) That she would use the Facebook page of a bigot at face value.
2) That she would state his "fact" as truth on a national broadcast.
3) That she not name her source for that "fact" when challenged.
4) That she follow up her assertion with a request that Bernie "name names" of others.

NPR needs to take some serious action on this.

[oberliner]

138. There are lists purporting to identify dual US-Israel citizens in our government

It's basically a list of Congress members and others who are Jewish or have Jewish names.

[Ken Burch]

140. Who the hell would keep lists like that? Other than neo-Nazis?

Sickening.

[oberliner]

150. Ron Paul Forums?

But one of the myriad of places one can find such lists:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?377478-List-of-Politicians-with-Israeli-Dual-Citizenship

[TexasTowelie]

119. Locking thread.

Statement of Purpose

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum. Conspiracy theories and disruptive meta-discussion are forbidden. For more information, click here.

[oberliner]

124. This post isn't about that

What is your angle with the fake lock?

[TexasTowelie]

127. I already explained

and it is inappropriate for you to question a forum host decision in this thread so please do not make accusations.

[SusanCalvin]

130. Yes, please.

Thanks, TT.

[oberliner]

131. You know how people who aren't mods make fake "Locking" posts?

That's what I thought this was.

[TexasTowelie]

142. I apologize if I came off harsh.

I have not decided who I will support in the primaries and the only agenda that I have (at least related to DU) is to see Democrats elected in 2016 because the alternative is much worse.

[oberliner]

147. No worries and likewise

All the best!

[TexasTowelie]

121. Unlocking thread.

Early consensus was that this was more appropriate for I/P, but more forum hosts have weighed in. I apologize for the lock.

[Renew Deal]

122. Unlocking is the correct decision

Locking for religion is more justified than locking for I/P.

[gollygee]

129. It isn't discussing religion either

It's discussing discrimination based on religion, which isn't the same thing.

[Renew Deal]

135. I know

In basically saying the lock was a stretch. But that's over now.

[beam me up scottie]

133. Thanks, TexasTowelie!

[gollygee]

125. It looks like this isn't locked anymore?

I was wondering. This thread isn't at all about Israel/Palestine.

I think this mistake was huge, and makes me question her professionalism. Also, I wonder who would read that in any circumstance, but particularly in a Facebook comment, and not respond with great skepticism. It sounds like old-school antisemitism, and it seems like it would at the very least make you wonder if it was worth some research.

[Warren DeMontague]

247. TT made a mistake. But then fixed the mistake, acknowledged it, and apologized for it in short order

So, good enough for me. People make mistakes.

[Fred Sanders]

286. Much like Rehm did, no??? In fact, identical.

[Warren DeMontague]

295. Why don't you take it up with TT, then, Fred?

I'm glad you're demonstrating a commitment to aggressively confronting Anti-Semitism.

[beam me up scottie]

132. I'm surprised she didn't use the Z word.

Another dog whistle that's used by people who think they're clever and we're stupid.

[SusanCalvin]

136. Ain't that the truth.

It was on the website she supposedly read, though. She is either stupid (which people here say she is not) or being expertly manipulated.

[Behind the Aegis]

183. Oh it's coming...rest assured...it's coming.

Then shit will get "real".

[beam me up scottie]

189. And kwassa will be here to tell us it's all in our head.

Because ... reasons.

[m-lekktor]

203. it diminishes a particular talking point against Bernie a certain segment of DU

keeps erroneously trying to inflate.

[beam me up scottie]

215. Why would a so called liberal excuse bigotry of any kind?

Even after being shown proof that this was an anti-semitic dog whistle some are still willing to overlook it.

Things that make you go hmmmm.

[m-lekktor]

221. yup

like I said ....

[Fumesucker]

229. Another few parts of the puzzle clicked together for me the last day or so

I don't like the picture that's forming.

[beam me up scottie]

230. I knew this was coming.

We defended Obama from right wing smears claiming he was born in Kenya, was a secret Muslim, etc, and rightly so.

Time for DUers to stand up and do the right thing for Bernie Sanders.

Or at least stfu when the rest of us address it.

[Behind the Aegis]

240. We talked about this the other night.

I just didn't think it would be this quick to emerge.

[beam me up scottie]

242. Me either.

And from which corners.

We have to confront this now before it takes hold.

[Depaysement]

232. Interesting

How this was weaved into one vile, racist thread.

[Behind the Aegis]

244. Discussions of anti-semitism usually brings all types out.

But, better to shine a light on it, then to leave it in the shadows.

[Bonobo]

245. And don't waste any effort on deniers.

They are too far up their own ass to see the light.

[Warren DeMontague]

248. Kick

[treestar]

252. Why is that question not allowed?

How have they made it un-askable?

There are people I've run into who say they put Israel first. Why do they get to do that unquestioned? You're claiming they can't even be asked.

The rest of us are brainwashed that we owe Israel its existence. Why? Can't we keep and spend that money on ourselves? Why shouldn't we?

Let Germany pay for Israel's existence.

[beam me up scottie]

254. When an American has his loyalty questioned simply because he's Jewish it's an anti-semitic slur.

Shame on you.

[treestar]

257. Obama had his questioned

Ted Cruz had his questioned.

I could live with it. Just answer.

No they've made it a thing this question is not allowed. I do not want someone who puts Israel first in any office, let alone the Presidency. He could just answer that he is not claiming the dual citizenship and that the US comes first. Why play the victim over something that easy?

[Bonobo]

258. Again with they "they"... Geez.

Those fucking jews, just say it.

[treestar]

265. And play the victim again.

No - those who insist we have to prop Israel due to our interests in the middle east, US evangelicals and whoever attempts to crush debate on the subject.

[Bonobo]

269. Yep, those fucking Jews are always playing victim. I hear you already.

Your POV is abundantly clear.

[beam me up scottie]

259. "I do not want someone who puts Israel first in any office, let alone the Presidency."

You make me sick.

[Bonobo]

264. Yep, that is an Anti-Semitic statement

Next we will get "why is it anti-semitic!!!? Arabs are semites too!!!!"

[treestar]

268. what's wrong with that?

You don't agree? You'd be fine with a POTUS that puts some other country first?

You make me sick. Trying to intimidate people from debating a subject.

[beam me up scottie]

274. Questioning an American's loyalties because of his religion is okay if you're a bigot.

I expect that kind of accusation on hate sites so when I see it being defended on DU I have to wonder what kind of liberal comes here to repeat anti-semitic memes.

[treestar]

276. You are simply reinforcing that we can't ask that question

and it should be of anyone right? Like Catholics in earlier eras thought of as putting the Pope first? My family could have been asked that.

I don't see why they could not just answer that the put the US and the constitution first. Why should anyone be unwilling to say that?

This is a "victimhood" very light compared to what other groups of people have put up with.

If you want to be POTUS, state clearly and unequivocally that the US is your first priority. That's not hard.

I don't know why this is made a thing except to intimidate people into supporting all things Israel wants. If you don't support propping Israel you are anti-Semitic. We already know that.

[beam me up scottie]

277. "This is a "victimhood" very light compared to what other groups of people have put up with."

Yes, Jews have had it so easy.

I don't know why this is made a thing except to intimidate people into supporting all things Israel wants. If you don't support propping Israel you are anti-Semitic. We already know that.

No, if you keep using anti-semitic talking points you are anti-semitic.

[oberliner]

291. "If you want to be POTUS, state clearly and unequivocally that the US is your first priority. "

Every candidate needs to do this or just certain ones?

[beam me up scottie]

302. Certain ones who were born here and just happen to be Jewish.

Comparing a citizen born in Brooklyn with one who was born in Canada and asking them "both" to declare loyalty is just another dog whistle.

[beam me up scottie]

303. dupe

[Fumesucker]

255. It wasn't a question

Ms Rehm made a direct statement, it absolutely was not phrased as a question.

And I'm completely unsurprised that you would show up on this thread saying that.

It's 2008 and a liberal radio host says: Senator Obama, you were born in Kenya.

When challenged on the slur she then explains she found the information in a Facebook reply.

How would you react to that?

[treestar]

260. Well it was OK to ask Obama that now wasn't it?

It's allowed when it is any other country.

I could answer that question easily if it applied to me. Rather than play the victim. I'm not claiming the other citizenship and I put the US first. Easy for someone who wants to be POTUS.

Even Ted Cruz shouldn't have to deal with that question, but I bet it's Ok to ask him that. Look at all he had to do in order to deal with it! Even denounce the other citizenship.

Obama even had to deal with it regarding Indonesia too!

[Bonobo]

261. You disapproved of it when it was asked of Obama, yes?

So why in the name of god are you defending it now?

AND... do you understand that German Jews, French Jews, Italian Jews, Spanish Jews, Portuguese Jews, Polish Jews, Russian Jews... they have ALL been attacked for not being real citizens, for having divided loyalty LONG BEFORE ISREAL.

Do you understand that?

[treestar]

273. Not particularly

as it was ridiculous. I don't think Obama would hesitate to answer the question. He would not play the victim. He released his birth certificate rather than complain. Oh how come Bernie is not asked to provide his birth certificate? Interesting.

So why can't anyone have their loyalty questioned? Just answer that you are American first. Or Franch or Polish or whatever. Do you agree with freedom of speech? I can put up with it - why can't Bernie the would-be POTUS?

[beam me up scottie]

307. Thank you, Senator McCarthy.

So why can't anyone have their loyalty questioned? Just answer that you are American first

[Fumesucker]

272. It wasn't a question

I have more respect for your intelligence than to think you don't know the difference between a question and a statement.

Stop sandbagging. (note to jurors, sandbagging has nothing to do with teabagging, if you don't know what it means Google it).

[Bonobo]

256. First of all it wasn't a question.

Moving on to your other statements.

"How have they made it un-askable?"

-Who is "they"? Jews, you mean?

"There are people I've run into who say they put Israel first. Why do they get to do that unquestioned? You're claiming they can't even be asked. "

-Is the "they" here also "The Jews"? Why do the "Jews" get to say they put Israel first? Is that what you are asking me? These Jews that you say you have "run into" that say the "put Israel first"... well, I guess you should ask them. But I doubt that they would seriously say in a conversation that they put Israel first over their own country. Is that what you think they would do? Put Israel first over America? Is this a big concern of yours? These Jews that put Israel first over America?

"The rest of us are brainwashed that we owe Israel its existence. Why? Can't we keep and spend that money on ourselves? Why shouldn't we? "

-You don't sound brainwashed. Do you think others are brainwashed? Really? As for allocating the money we give to Israel to other purposes, that's a fine conversation to have. It can certainly be done without dipping into the ancient anti-semitic claim that Jews are not real citizens and can not be trusted.

Have you ever heard of the Dreyfus Affair? It is a drop in the bucket but as good a place to start your education.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_affair

[beam me up scottie]

262. I posted a new op: Dog Whistles- an Anti-Semitism Primer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026814897

[Bonobo]

266. Oh goodie, we can have the same people join in and the same people stay out and the same people

whistle their anti-semitic whistles.

[beam me up scottie]

270. I think it will help people understand why this is offensive.

Some people really don't know any better.

Others do and don't care.

[treestar]

263. I'm sure for each person it is different.

I have known at least one person who admitted Israel was more important.

I think we should quit propping Israel entirely. It has only led to problems for the US. I suppose I am not allowed to say that, though.

I don't know who "they" is, but most likely US evangelicals or military minded people who want a base in the ME. Not that Israel has proven to be that, but that's the argument.

[Bonobo]

271. Tell me more

about this "one person".

Was he/she a Jew?

Is this one person how you have learned all this hatred?

[COLGATE4]

283. Probably one of his/her "best friends" nt

[Rex]

287. So you are completely ignorant to the gravity of the situation, why am I not surprised.

She asked a question that came from a nazi propaganda website treestar...how low are you going to sink on this one? To a man that had a family that had to flee Poland, to escape the nazi's and their death camps.

If you even knew a tad bit about contemporary history, you would no how completely and utterly vile it is to demand (which she started to do) a Jew admit to being on a list with other Jews.

It cannot be spelled out any clearer for you than that...and you can keep pretending to go on with the 'why can't the question be asked'...it can, but really the only people asking are neo-nazis.

So...to summarize the point, DR pushed nazi propaganda on national radio then pretended it was no big deal when called on it by a man thats family had to flee the nazis and his home country.

Still not 'getting it'? And DON'T call me pro-Israel blah blah blah...I have been very critical of Israel in the past over their treatment of the Palestinians.

[Damansarajaya]

292. Here's the link:

I normally respect and admire Diane Rehm, but she blew it by repeating crap from the internet.

ON EDIT: It's probably a good thing that this issue came out so early in the campaign, but the way Rehm "framed" it--as if it were an established fact--is just despicable.

[Eleanors38]

293. Your post puts the controversy in proper perspective. An apology is due.

I swear, I thought I walked into a 50s time warp. The STATEMENT. The LIST. The FABLE. Perhaps some folks were not around to hear and read this stuff when it was promulgated well into the 1950s and (obviously) beyond.

It's more than an apology to Sanders. It should be an apology to all Jews.

[TBF]

294. Agreed - the law of return is not that complicated

and I believe it was an intentional slur on her part.

[cali]

308. oh I think your departure would meet with much greater applause

[AngryOldDem]

306. Yes.

And I think she should retire. This kind of stunt is inexcusable.

Her apology means nothing -- what she asked is now out there and cannot be taken back. If she can't show even basic common sense, it's time for her to hang it up.

[FiveGoodMen]

311. Rehm: Interesting. Are there members of Congress who do have dual citizenship

or is that part of the fable?

Sounds like, "To the best of your knowledge, are any of your friends or coworkers communists?"