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beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 01:17 AM Jun 2015

Jewish Dems Denounce Offensive Questioning of Sen. Sanders

National Jewish Democratic Council

Jewish Dems Denounce Offensive Questioning of Sen. Sanders

Rehm’s apology is no apology at all

The National Jewish Democratic Council today harshly criticized WAMU host Diane Rehm for asserting on air that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, holds dual citizenship with Israel. The organization demanded an apology from Rehm, noting that there was no evidence for her claim and that such implications toward American Jewish politicians have long been an anti-Semitic canard.

Greg Rosenbaum, chair of the NJDC Board of Directors, stated,

“It is appalling that in today’s age, a longtime Jewish elected official would face implications that he splits his loyalty between the United States and Israel for no reason other than his religion. This anti-Semitic canard of dual loyalty has persisted for decades, particularly about American Jews in public service. To directly ask, as Diane Rehm did, if there are members of Congress who hold dual citizenship with Israel is unbelievably offensive and completely indefensible. There are no legitimate sources that claim that Sen. Sanders holds Israeli citizenship, and if Diane Rehm was citing one of the many dark, anti-Semitic corners of the Internet as her source, we have grave doubts as to her journalistic credentials.

“Furthermore, Ms. Rehm’s subsequent statement that she is glad to have been able to put this ‘rumor’ to rest is no apology at all. In fact, she implied that had she simply asked the senator if he held Israeli citizenship rather than stating it as fact, it would have somehow been acceptable. This ‘rumor’ is one that she has helped perpetuate and advance. Ms. Rehm owes Sen. Sanders and the American Jewish community an immediate and genuine apology. There is no room in our public discourse for such baseless accusations.”

http://www.njdc.org/dianerehm061015
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Jewish Dems Denounce Offensive Questioning of Sen. Sanders (Original Post) beam me up scottie Jun 2015 OP
Mostly read nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #1
Some are insisting that accusing Sanders of dual citizenship is not anti-semitic. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #2
maybe it's not anti-Semitic, only anti-Semitically tinged merrily Jun 2015 #37
One actually said that the accusation wasn't a slur. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #39
And it is extremely Aerows Jun 2015 #38
Yep. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #41
I would say accusing is, asking is not. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #62
'There are those who say you a secret Muslim from Kenya? Is that true or false?' oberliner Jun 2015 #63
Yes. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #66
An NPR interview where Obama is asked if he is a secret Muslim from Kenya? oberliner Jun 2015 #67
The smear attacks are out there. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #68
PS, won't reply immediately to any further comments, got a phone call, have to leave Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #69
OK oberliner Jun 2015 #73
Back now. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #82
absent a parent who is an Israeli citizen or any evidence, it sure is. cali Jun 2015 #74
Well that is hardly surprising nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #95
I have to admit Nadin, your earlier dire predictions were spot on Dragonfli Jun 2015 #6
As somebody who grew up poor and am lower middle class now, I'm interested in your last statement? DemocraticWing Jun 2015 #24
Not the entire place merrily Jun 2015 #42
I see your perspective nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #94
K&r Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #3
It wasn't even a question. It was a matter-of-fact statement. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #4
Yep. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #5
but it's on facebook! It MUST be reliable! Scootaloo Jun 2015 #16
It's definitely the go-to source for all your professional journalistic needs. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #17
Actually, I can tell you - or at least, suggest the possibility Scootaloo Jun 2015 #21
Exactly. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #23
Well, there ALMOST are! Scootaloo Jun 2015 #72
Which is part of the context. Igel Jun 2015 #80
Kenya hell, the media was giving free airtime to the tea baggers to spew that his loyalties lie with still_one Jun 2015 #47
And we need to call it out wherever we see it. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #52
That program went out to over 200 stations, NPR World News and the Armed Forces appalachiablue Jun 2015 #64
This Jewish Dem thinks this kerfuffle is baloney. elleng Jun 2015 #7
Bernie Sanders "I got offended a little bit by that comment" beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #8
I want to know what Rehm got in return for stooping this low Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #53
When an American has his loyalty questioned for no other reason than because he's Jewish beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #54
Agree totally. She made this a topic within an interview and he's had many media sessions appalachiablue Jun 2015 #70
I hadn't read the whole thing until now awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #103
It was pretty bad. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #106
A few long timers awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #107
It wouldn't surprise me either. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #108
This one doesn't. Behind the Aegis Jun 2015 #10
indeed iandhr Jun 2015 #93
This Jewish Dem is furious leftynyc Jun 2015 #46
I am a fan of Diaine and always will be. I don't speak for how others think but I think this is kelliekat44 Jun 2015 #58
The "Israel can do no wrong" group? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #60
you have that ass backward. she attacked Bernie and other Jewish politicians cali Jun 2015 #61
Here is what that poster had to say the morning after the Nov midterms: Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #75
wow m-lekktor Jun 2015 #76
And yet she's here on DU, claiming to be a liberal against bigotry while saying hugely bigoted Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #78
omfg. that poster should have been booted for that. unbelievable. cali Jun 2015 #81
Disgusting. There are no words...except maybe "Admins? Hello?" nt Zorra Jun 2015 #102
Says it all. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #104
"any questioning of Jews remotely related to Israel is always taken as anti-Semitic by many here." oberliner Jun 2015 #65
It has to do with attacking Diane for asking a question. Folks asked JFK about his Catholicism, and kelliekat44 Jun 2015 #84
In this case, she made a statement: "Senator, you have dual citizenship with Israel" oberliner Jun 2015 #88
She made a statement awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #105
Did people use "you stabbed our country in the back" as an excuse to imprison and murder Catholics? jeff47 Jun 2015 #96
Thanks. elleng Jun 2015 #85
For centuries people have questioned Jewish loyalty. iandhr Jun 2015 #90
I suspect YOU of having dual citizenship.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #9
Triple. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #11
Wrong verb. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #12
Oops. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #14
That goes back to a Jack Nicholson reply.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #18
That's why I was blushing. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #19
Whatever folks want to call it... SoapBox Jun 2015 #13
She should have known better. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #15
There are lots of places where you don't have contact with anything "different".... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #20
I live in the bible belt now, I hear you. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #22
It's good to get out now and then.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #92
Diane was born in Washington DC where she still lives. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #77
Okay. She can't plead ignorance. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #91
For me, this is too reminiscent of the racially tinged comments during the 2008 primary. merrily Jun 2015 #43
I think she already asked Cruz about being Canadian...as did many here. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2015 #86
Sanders must be making some people nervous Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #25
Things are going to get very interesting... beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #26
Given that he is very close with his Republican pals, Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #28
He wouldn't be the only one losing sleep over the prospect. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #29
Up to 1 % of the population, indeed Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #31
Yes, some will smear him for being non-religious. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #32
Of course, Mr. Sanders is a very genuine person Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #33
I think the Brits are much more mature about these things. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #34
Exactly. Hatchet wielders are not big on consistency, foolish or wise. merrily Jun 2015 #44
That's because Beltway journalists are largely blithering idiots bluestateguy Jun 2015 #27
He handled it well. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #30
Roehm seems to be a fan of the Clintons. merrily Jun 2015 #45
Rehm has been a fixture in DC since she was born there, in 1936. There's a few of these appalachiablue Jun 2015 #71
I am very close to two dual citizens DFW Jun 2015 #35
And not only was Bernie born here - his father was from Poland, not Israel. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #36
Yeah, I don't know where Israel crept into it. DFW Jun 2015 #50
"Similar" =/= "the same." Igel Jun 2015 #83
Exactly. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #101
Put a rumor to rest or started one? This smells. merrily Jun 2015 #48
I get the impression this was pure sloppiness with unforeseen consequences DFW Jun 2015 #49
Not my view. merrily Jun 2015 #51
Various studies have been done about misinformation. merrily Jun 2015 #55
It's a little different when "you Jews stabbed our country in the back" has been used jeff47 Jun 2015 #98
Yeah, I'm amazed that one still flies anywhere DFW Jun 2015 #99
K&R! Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #40
New op: Dog Whistles- an Anti-Semitism Primer beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #56
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2015 #57
Might be time for her to retire. n/t safeinOhio Jun 2015 #59
I couldn't believe the line of questioning. It's unacceptable. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #79
I think most.... odd_duck Jun 2015 #87
No American should have their loyalty questioned because of their religion. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #100
I am Jewish dem. iandhr Jun 2015 #89
What a jackass she is Marrah_G Jun 2015 #97
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
1. Mostly read
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 01:19 AM
Jun 2015

sadly the only surprise is the source to this...errr...I gotta remember where I am. %^#^}%^*#

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
2. Some are insisting that accusing Sanders of dual citizenship is not anti-semitic.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 01:21 AM
Jun 2015

That is the only reason I posted the op.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
39. One actually said that the accusation wasn't a slur.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:02 AM
Jun 2015

DUers are making it up, don't you know?




 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
38. And it is extremely
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:01 AM
Jun 2015

idiotic to suggest it wasn't, because you can see the anti-semitism from outer space.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
62. I would say accusing is, asking is not.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:39 AM
Jun 2015

If she simply said 'There are those who say you hold dual citizenship. Is that true or false?' I don't see that as a problem. It directly allows Sanders to answer one of the attacks being tossed at him.

I would be uncomfortable with a President who holds dual citizenship with ANY country.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
63. 'There are those who say you a secret Muslim from Kenya? Is that true or false?'
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:45 AM
Jun 2015

Similarly fair question?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
67. An NPR interview where Obama is asked if he is a secret Muslim from Kenya?
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:52 AM
Jun 2015

You don't find that to be be offensive at all?

You really would not be bothered if an NPR host asked that question to Obama while he was running?

Even though it is a question based on nothing but racist BS internet fantasies?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
68. The smear attacks are out there.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:54 AM
Jun 2015

Allowing a candidate to directly address them and point out how silly they are is useful in my books. You don't want your candidate to have to have a press conference simply to defend themselves from smears. You want the media to bring them up so they can be 'softball' questions. Easily answered, easily mocked.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
69. PS, won't reply immediately to any further comments, got a phone call, have to leave
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:59 AM
Jun 2015

for a while. But really, I think we're just disagreeing over tactical considerations. I think that campaigns that don't address smears or 'swiftboating' lose, as do ones that look like they are on the defensive. I'd far rather have such questions brought up directly and answered directly.

Anyway, back in a while.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
73. OK
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:21 AM
Jun 2015

I don't think respectable journalists ought to be asking candidates questions based on internet rumors. I also think if one sees a list purporting that every Jewish member of Congress is a dual citizen of Israel one should see it for what it is.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
82. Back now.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:50 AM
Jun 2015

Well, I'm not a fan of Diane Rehm anyway, so I'll skate over 'respectable journalists', but I'm not defending what she did - from what I understand, she made a flat statement that was incorrect on it's face, without having done any minimal fact-checking. I was simply stating that from a tactical standpoint, I think it's best that candidates do get a chance to address smears quickly and straightforwardly, having seen what has happened to past candidates who didn't do so. I want Bernie to address every smear that comes along, and I'd prefer he get to do so as early in the cycle as possible. While some have said that adds to the exposure the smear gets, I also know that voters' memories are notoriously short, and what looks to hurt now will likely not matter in 6 months.

So I don't have a problem with her bringing up the smear, just with her not even knowing it WAS a smear. She should have known it was wrong, and simply let Bernie have his chance to put forth a statement on it.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
74. absent a parent who is an Israeli citizen or any evidence, it sure is.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:23 AM
Jun 2015

why? Because it is one of the best known and most pernicious of anti-semitic canards.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
6. I have to admit Nadin, your earlier dire predictions were spot on
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 01:36 AM
Jun 2015

I'd had hope it wouldn't come to this, but I was naive as it is already beginning. I realize that for reasons you have clearly stated recently that soon you will not be able to bring yourself to post here.

I will miss the many insights that you offer from your perspective as a journalist.

I will be largely absent myself for a while but my absence is common during purge season and I seldom offer much from my perspective of a now poor and disabled person that was once a blue collar lower middle class guy that was birthed in poverty.

Not much use for such a perspective here these days anyway, this place is more comfortable with the upper middle class perspective and has been for quite some time.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
24. As somebody who grew up poor and am lower middle class now, I'm interested in your last statement?
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:55 AM
Jun 2015

What exactly about the upper middle class perspective is being emphasized here? I see a lot of people talking about income inequality and the impacts of poverty and other societal ills.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
42. Not the entire place
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:10 AM
Jun 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026592890

I agree with you about nadin's insights. They are unique. And, if you are not around, I will miss your insights, too.
 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
4. It wasn't even a question. It was a matter-of-fact statement.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 01:26 AM
Jun 2015

Really sloppy background research, Ms. Rehm.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
5. Yep.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 01:32 AM
Jun 2015

And if she had cited racist internet sources for the Obama birther hoax after accusing him of having dual citizenship with Kenya would DUers be excusing it?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
17. It's definitely the go-to source for all your professional journalistic needs.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:25 AM
Jun 2015

You can't tell me she didn't know that was an anti-semitic slur.

She's not a newb.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
21. Actually, I can tell you - or at least, suggest the possibility
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:45 AM
Jun 2015

See, the people who come up with stuff like this aren't content to "preach to the choir." They want everyone else to accept their ideas too. That's the whole point! Of course, pretty much everyone who isn't a bigot wants nothing to do with bigotry, and so to "sell" this stuff, they have to make it look innocuous.

So... it's just a list, asserting that these individuals have dual citizenship. On the face of it, that's all it is. It's false, but the average internet spelunker isn't going to fact-check. it's linked to old-ass antisemitic tropes, but again, the average netizen isn't likely to be that savvy. So, they see it, accept it as fact, and pass it along or reference it without thinking too hard about it.

Should Rehm have known better? Abso-fucking-lutely. You and I should not be better journalists than people actually employed as journalists, don't you agree? But... Apparently the standards of modern journalism are so abysmally low that "But I found it on facebook" is seen as a worthy defense for a fuckup of this size. So, I think - unless there's a pattern I'm just not aware of - it's ignorance and Rehm just coasting along with whatever popped up on the first page of google.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
23. Exactly.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:53 AM
Jun 2015

I'd expect that kind of mistake from a FoxNews pundit.

The fact that she followed up with this question :

"Interesting. Are there members of Congress who do have dual citizenship or is that part of the fable?"

is even worse.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
72. Well, there ALMOST are!
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:20 AM
Jun 2015

Ted Cruz renounced his Canadian citizenship. And Michelle Bachman is a dual American-Swiss citizen, but isn't in office anymore...

Igel

(37,535 posts)
80. Which is part of the context.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:06 AM
Jun 2015

Because, good faith or not, that was the general accusation against Cruz. If you have dual citizenship then you must be disloyal. (Heaven help us if it had been dual US/Mexican citizenship, because then the accusation, instead of being an anti-Canadian slur, would have been an anti-Latino slur.)


One point that should be made for the sake of the ether is that the long-standing anti-Semitic slur wasn't to accuse Jews of having dual citizenship, which is what some people have been saying (and not just anti-Semitic, btw, but it was common enough against Jews for the same reasons the charge was laid against others, and so they seem to have laid exclusive claim to it). The slur is older than 1948, before which there could have been no "dual citizenship" with Israel and goes to the very idea of "divided loyalties." Communists were accused of it routinely in the '20s through the '50s (and beyond). Immigrants were accused of it. Fascists were accused of it in the '30s and '40s. It's why Putin had a law passed in Russia that citizens with dual citizenship must report it by a certain date and would not be allowed to have positions of authority above a certain (low) level.

Complicating matters is that sometimes the right to obtain citizenship by virtue of birth or parents is construed as equivalent to having that citizenship. So the blanket offer of Israeli citizenship to Jews in the diaspora is evidence of actual citizenship. (I've seen races in countries that had a large anti-US attitude in which the blanket offer of US citizenship to the children of US citizens has been construed the same way. This muddles the whole "anti-Semitic" angle, of course. Unless we want to put anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism on the same footing. The claim can be anti-Semitic. But to say it must be anti-Semitic is for convenience in evidence-collecting and burden of proof. And who wants to have that kind of a burden?)

And it's why the accusation that Cruz had dual citizenship was an accusation. It's a claim of treason as an inherent property based often a status that is frequently irrelevant and the person often had no role in obtaining. (So my resident assistant in college was US/Nicaraguan/something and his girlfriend US/Columbian/Canadian. Each was born in the US from two non-US parents.) Accusing a non-Jew of it fails the "anti-Semitic" and "history of discrimination" part of the slur, but retains the "slur" part of "anti-Semitic slur." And it's the "slur" that makes it anti-Semitic in the first place.

If it's not obvious, I thought the anti-Cruz "dual citizenship," often a kind of parody slur, was too often intended to be a real slur. It played off this particular anti-Semitic slur, which is exactly what the parallel anti-Muslim slur did when used against Obama. And was exactly parallel to the "Obama is also a Kenyan" accusation. We say IOKIYAR as a claim. But often often seriously believe IOKIYAD.

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
47. Kenya hell, the media was giving free airtime to the tea baggers to spew that his loyalties lie with
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:42 AM
Jun 2015

radical Islam. That is still going through some of the airwaves.

Journalism has been at a low for sometime now

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
52. And we need to call it out wherever we see it.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:52 AM
Jun 2015

Doesn't matter which Dem candidate it's aimed at, this kind of tactic shouldn't get a pass.

appalachiablue

(44,024 posts)
64. That program went out to over 200 stations, NPR World News and the Armed Forces
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:47 AM
Jun 2015

Channel, all over the world. Deliberate and inexcusable.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
8. Bernie Sanders "I got offended a little bit by that comment"
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 01:52 AM
Jun 2015
Bernie Sanders: Well, no I do not have dual citizenship with Israel. I am an American. I don't know where that question came from. I am an American citizen, and I have visited Israel on a couple of occasions. No, I'm an American citizen, period.

Rehm: I understand from a list we have gotten that you were on that list.

Sanders: No.

Rehm: Forgive me if that is --

Sanders: That's some of the nonsense that goes on in the internet. But that is absolutely not true.

Rehm: Interesting. Are there members of Congress who do have dual citizenship or is that part of the fable?

Sanders: I honestly don't know but I have read that on the internet. You know, my dad came to this country from Poland at the age of 17 without a nickel in his pocket. He loved this country. I am, you know, I got offended a little bit by that comment, and I know it's been on the internet. I am obviously an American citizen and I do not have any dual citizenship.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/10/1392189/-WAMU-s-Diane-Rehm-Uses-Antisemitic-Slur-Against-Bernie-Sanders

Pooka Fey

(3,496 posts)
53. I want to know what Rehm got in return for stooping this low
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 06:21 AM
Jun 2015

Reading the transcript makes it very clear. Nothing "innocent" about this. It stinks to high heaven.

This was an anti-Semitic attack on Senator Sanders. The follow-up question clinches it for me - why the fuck should Senator Sanders have to account for any dual citizens in Congress - why on EARTH would she ask this question except to cast doubt on his fitness for the Presidency? Why should Senator Sanders have to defend his credibility as as an American? President Obama had to deal with this too.

This is vomit inducing.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
54. When an American has his loyalty questioned for no other reason than because he's Jewish
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 06:25 AM
Jun 2015

it's an anti-semitic dog whistle.

And some DUers are pretending this is no big deal.

I think they're worse than Rehm.

appalachiablue

(44,024 posts)
70. Agree totally. She made this a topic within an interview and he's had many media sessions
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:08 AM
Jun 2015

since announcing his candidacy on April 30, well over a month ago. None has brought up and pushed this issue except her. When I first heard the rumblings I thought, are they trying to say he was born in Poland, where his father was until fleeing WWII? When I heard Israeli citizenship I was blown away.

No he's not responsible for the citizenship of members of Congress. Actually there is one dual member, Sen. Ted Cruz who had US and Canada citizenship, but dropped Canada recently. This was deliberate and she was a soft missionary to deliver the blow given that she has a center following, some who like her, even here think she's been 'off' a bit in the last couple years (husband d. 2014), her voice disability, a woman, 78 years old, etc., set her up to do the work. She'll likely receive compensation for this effort.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
103. I hadn't read the whole thing until now
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:29 PM
Jun 2015

She just wouldn't let it go. I don't care what she has done in the past, this is the work of a hack

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
106. It was pretty bad.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:42 PM
Jun 2015

Many DUers are rejecting the idea that this could have been an intentional slur but it doesn't seem that far fetched.

If she was very young and/or a clueless blogger maybe.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
107. A few long timers
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:47 PM
Jun 2015

are claiming it was an innocent statement. If that were true, why all the follow up questions after the dismissal of the first question. I wouldn't be surprised if officials in the party put her up to it - especially after some of the crap that happened in 08.

Behind the Aegis

(56,108 posts)
10. This one doesn't.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 01:55 AM
Jun 2015

It simply demonstrates some the "oldies, but goodies" are still in play.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
46. This Jewish Dem is furious
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:33 AM
Jun 2015

with that woman who calls herself a fucking journalist and at anyone who downplays the motivation for her repulsive charge.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
58. I am a fan of Diaine and always will be. I don't speak for how others think but I think this is
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:26 AM
Jun 2015

another way of attacking Diane who has been fair to Muslims and Jews alike. She just does't bow to the "Israel can do no wrong" group and any questioning of Jews remotely related to Israel is always taken as anti-Semitic by many here.

Diane still has the most informative and balanced show on the air.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
61. you have that ass backward. she attacked Bernie and other Jewish politicians
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:10 AM
Jun 2015

By using an ancient and very well known antisemitic smear.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
75. Here is what that poster had to say the morning after the Nov midterms:
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jun 2015

"The openness and brazenness of the LBGT agenda and the media flaunting of gay marriages all across the country cost Dems dearly and threatens to do so in the future."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025764803#post45

Why this shit is permitted on DU toward some minority groups is something I can not explain.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
78. And yet she's here on DU, claiming to be a liberal against bigotry while saying hugely bigoted
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:57 AM
Jun 2015

things.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
65. "any questioning of Jews remotely related to Israel is always taken as anti-Semitic by many here."
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 08:49 AM
Jun 2015

What does that have to do with what she said to Sanders here?

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
84. It has to do with attacking Diane for asking a question. Folks asked JFK about his Catholicism, and
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jun 2015

asked Obama about his citizenship, including asserting that he was not a citizen of the US and a Kenyan.

I just think that this hoopla is all about keeping these questions on the airways as a subtle way of attacking Bernie whom both the RW and some on the left really fear. These folks don't have to say the words but feign outrage over Diane's questioning as a way to call some negative attention to Bernie.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
88. In this case, she made a statement: "Senator, you have dual citizenship with Israel"
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 11:42 AM
Jun 2015

That statement was not true and she stated that she got the information from a Facebook post purporting to be a list of Congress members who were dual citizens of Israel.

Don't you find that a little problematic?

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
105. She made a statement
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:42 PM
Jun 2015

Then backed that up with, basically "are you sure?", "are you really sure?", and "are there any other members of congress with dual citizenship?". This was not one single innocent statement

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
96. Did people use "you stabbed our country in the back" as an excuse to imprison and murder Catholics?
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 01:17 PM
Jun 2015

No? Hrm...wonder if that might make it a wee bit different when it's about Jews.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
85. Thanks.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jun 2015

I don't listen to her show often but whenever I do, I'm informed about the topic at hand.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
18. That goes back to a Jack Nicholson reply....
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:29 AM
Jun 2015

A woman walked up to him at a party and asked, "Would you like to dance?"

He looked her over and said, "Wrong verb."

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
13. Whatever folks want to call it...
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:06 AM
Jun 2015

It was a freak'n stupid thing to bring up and/or imply.

Journalist my ass!

Is she gonna ask Cruz about being Canadian? Or delve into making sure Rubio wasn't actually born in Cuba?

Oh ya...where's her "list" she was babbling about.

This steams me.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
15. She should have known better.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:11 AM
Jun 2015

I expect that kind of thing from FoxNews idiots.

And to see it defended here is even worse.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
20. There are lots of places where you don't have contact with anything "different"....
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:44 AM
Jun 2015

I have lived in several international cities popular with tourists from all over the world.

Right now, it's Vegas. This place attracts all types. I have an actual Buddhist sanctuary nearby and see the orange robes regularly. That opens your mind to other ways beyond your own.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
43. For me, this is too reminiscent of the racially tinged comments during the 2008 primary.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:14 AM
Jun 2015
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
25. Sanders must be making some people nervous
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 03:42 AM
Jun 2015

seeing as the first swift-boats have already lifted anchor.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
28. Given that he is very close with his Republican pals,
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 03:53 AM
Jun 2015

how much do you think that Benjamin Netanyahu fears and loaths the prospect of a president Sanders?

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
31. Up to 1 % of the population, indeed
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 04:04 AM
Jun 2015

I don't expect zionism to be thrown into the mix, though. Bibi needs his self-declared zionist pals in the Knesset.

Look out for the G-word instead: godless. "Everybody knows liberal Jews are actually godless".

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
32. Yes, some will smear him for being non-religious.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 04:11 AM
Jun 2015

One or the other.

Or both as is usually the case with swift boat types.




 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
33. Of course, Mr. Sanders is a very genuine person
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 04:16 AM
Jun 2015

Such accusations might not stick to him.

The British prime-minister Gladstone was accused of immorality. (For trying to save women from prostitution.) He simply remarked "My reputation is in the hands of the Almighty" and went on doing what he had always done. And four times he was prime-minister. Some reputations are made of teflon...

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
34. I think the Brits are much more mature about these things.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 04:25 AM
Jun 2015

I have always admired Bernie because I know what he's made of, I just hope the rest of the country gives him a chance.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
44. Exactly. Hatchet wielders are not big on consistency, foolish or wise.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:28 AM
Jun 2015

They fling pooh indiscriminately and hope something does the trick, and they don't much care what it is.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
27. That's because Beltway journalists are largely blithering idiots
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 03:50 AM
Jun 2015

Simpering, elitist, establishmentarian, ignorant and lazy. That describes about 90% of Beltway journalists.

Not much better in other major cities either.

And then people are stunned that Hillary doesn't roll out the red carpet for them.

appalachiablue

(44,024 posts)
71. Rehm has been a fixture in DC since she was born there, in 1936. There's a few of these
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:18 AM
Jun 2015

fossils still around, the ones who swing through administrations for decades. That she's close with the Clintons I can believe.

DFW

(60,189 posts)
35. I am very close to two dual citizens
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 04:29 AM
Jun 2015

Namely my daughters (German/American).

They would have rolled their eyes at this crap. But there is a lot of ignorance about dual citizenship. We have an ex-Yugoslav neighbor here in Germany who insists it is impossible for someone over the age of 18 to hold dual citizenship if they have German passports (complete hogwash).

But someone hosting a long-standing radio show that is not on National Hate Radio should have known to check out something as big as Sanders holding a dual citizenship, especially after all the noise made by Republicans about Obama's citizenship.

Rehm is also a little arrogant when she claims to have put a rumor to rest. Did the rumor die with her gallant revelation?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
36. And not only was Bernie born here - his father was from Poland, not Israel.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 04:36 AM
Jun 2015

So the folks claiming it was similar to Ted Cruz/Canada are full of it.

DFW

(60,189 posts)
50. Yeah, I don't know where Israel crept into it.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:50 AM
Jun 2015

I don't recall any crackpot sites claiming Darryl Issa has dual citizenship with Lebanon.

Oh, wait, I forgot. He's a Republican. Never mind.

Igel

(37,535 posts)
83. "Similar" =/= "the same."
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jun 2015

It's fairly easy for anybody that's Jewish--specifically born of a Jewish mother, it's harder if it was your father, last I heard--to become an Israeli. I suspect you have to move there, make aliyah (I think it's called, too indifferent to check).

It's the same for other citizenships by right of inheritance. There are many people born to a US parent who don't claim US citizenship but could.

The real slur is that to have two citizenships = divided loyalties. "Divided loyalties" claims have been around far longer than Israel, and affect far more than citizenship. The "Obama is a Muslim" claim was different from Cruz/Canada but had things in common with it: One's status determines one's loyalties and, more importantly, one's disloyalties, whether or not the status is deeply claimed or even merely potential and only imputed. It's short-hand for the "treason" comments we often hear on both sides, a way of saying "there's our group, virtuous and loyal and properly in power, and their group, evil and disloyal and properly disenfranchised" and adducing non-evidence as proof. Both are ways of avoiding issues and debate and reducing a contest or dispute to the level of personal attacks. Such arguments should only be considered worth introducing into an argument for the sake of disposing of it as a part of civilized discourse, with self-policing by a group weighted above trying to police the other group (or feeding non-civilized discourse through the stocking of more mindless outrage.)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
101. Exactly.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:41 PM
Jun 2015

Any good journalist interested in dispelling rumours would have handled this much differently.

Like citing the anti-semitic source, stating the facts and then asking Bernie to weigh in on the subject.

I almost believe her mistake was accidental.

Almost.

DFW

(60,189 posts)
49. I get the impression this was pure sloppiness with unforeseen consequences
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:46 AM
Jun 2015

It compounded her mistake to say she put a rumor to rest. She did no such thing. She did give a credible mea culpa for giving it air time in the first place (I had never heard it before), but all she ended up doing was making more people aware of the rumor. I seriously doubt she single-handedly made it disappear from every crackpot site that had/has it out there.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
51. Not my view.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 05:50 AM
Jun 2015

For me, it's just too reminiscent of the "racially-tinged" primary of 2008.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
55. Various studies have been done about misinformation.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 06:25 AM
Jun 2015

One showed that people believe what they learned first. Rather than eliminating the problem, later retraction or correction only reinforces the initial incorrect information.

Another study shows that people believe and remember most what reinforces their already existing beliefs. A retraction or correction doesn't change that, either.

I rather suspect politicians are very aware of this kind of thing.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
98. It's a little different when "you Jews stabbed our country in the back" has been used
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 01:20 PM
Jun 2015

for a very long time to commit atrocities against Jews.

DFW

(60,189 posts)
99. Yeah, I'm amazed that one still flies anywhere
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:09 PM
Jun 2015

I guess the irrational need to stomp on somebody is inborn, or something.

odd_duck

(107 posts)
87. I think most....
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 11:34 AM
Jun 2015

are confused with 'right of return', thinking it means 'dual citizen'.

What we should be concerned about is Arab-Americans joining and fighting for ISIS.
Plus, Jewish-Americans joining and fighting for the IDF.
That should not be allowed.

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