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Jewish Dems Denounce Offensive Questioning of Sen. Sanders
Rehms apology is no apology at all
The National Jewish Democratic Council today harshly criticized WAMU host Diane Rehm for asserting on air that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, holds dual citizenship with Israel. The organization demanded an apology from Rehm, noting that there was no evidence for her claim and that such implications toward American Jewish politicians have long been an anti-Semitic canard.
Greg Rosenbaum, chair of the NJDC Board of Directors, stated,
It is appalling that in todays age, a longtime Jewish elected official would face implications that he splits his loyalty between the United States and Israel for no reason other than his religion. This anti-Semitic canard of dual loyalty has persisted for decades, particularly about American Jews in public service. To directly ask, as Diane Rehm did, if there are members of Congress who hold dual citizenship with Israel is unbelievably offensive and completely indefensible. There are no legitimate sources that claim that Sen. Sanders holds Israeli citizenship, and if Diane Rehm was citing one of the many dark, anti-Semitic corners of the Internet as her source, we have grave doubts as to her journalistic credentials.
Furthermore, Ms. Rehms subsequent statement that she is glad to have been able to put this rumor to rest is no apology at all. In fact, she implied that had she simply asked the senator if he held Israeli citizenship rather than stating it as fact, it would have somehow been acceptable. This rumor is one that she has helped perpetuate and advance. Ms. Rehm owes Sen. Sanders and the American Jewish community an immediate and genuine apology. There is no room in our public discourse for such baseless accusations.
http://www.njdc.org/dianerehm061015
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)sadly the only surprise is the source to this...errr...I gotta remember where I am. %^#^}%^*#
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That is the only reason I posted the op.
merrily
(45,251 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)DUers are making it up, don't you know?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)idiotic to suggest it wasn't, because you can see the anti-semitism from outer space.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Even after it was pointed out some denied its existence.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)If she simply said 'There are those who say you hold dual citizenship. Is that true or false?' I don't see that as a problem. It directly allows Sanders to answer one of the attacks being tossed at him.
I would be uncomfortable with a President who holds dual citizenship with ANY country.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Similarly fair question?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Likewise Canada, Cuba, Panama, etc, etc.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)You don't find that to be be offensive at all?
You really would not be bothered if an NPR host asked that question to Obama while he was running?
Even though it is a question based on nothing but racist BS internet fantasies?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Allowing a candidate to directly address them and point out how silly they are is useful in my books. You don't want your candidate to have to have a press conference simply to defend themselves from smears. You want the media to bring them up so they can be 'softball' questions. Easily answered, easily mocked.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)for a while. But really, I think we're just disagreeing over tactical considerations. I think that campaigns that don't address smears or 'swiftboating' lose, as do ones that look like they are on the defensive. I'd far rather have such questions brought up directly and answered directly.
Anyway, back in a while.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I don't think respectable journalists ought to be asking candidates questions based on internet rumors. I also think if one sees a list purporting that every Jewish member of Congress is a dual citizen of Israel one should see it for what it is.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Well, I'm not a fan of Diane Rehm anyway, so I'll skate over 'respectable journalists', but I'm not defending what she did - from what I understand, she made a flat statement that was incorrect on it's face, without having done any minimal fact-checking. I was simply stating that from a tactical standpoint, I think it's best that candidates do get a chance to address smears quickly and straightforwardly, having seen what has happened to past candidates who didn't do so. I want Bernie to address every smear that comes along, and I'd prefer he get to do so as early in the cycle as possible. While some have said that adds to the exposure the smear gets, I also know that voters' memories are notoriously short, and what looks to hurt now will likely not matter in 6 months.
So I don't have a problem with her bringing up the smear, just with her not even knowing it WAS a smear. She should have known it was wrong, and simply let Bernie have his chance to put forth a statement on it.
cali
(114,904 posts)why? Because it is one of the best known and most pernicious of anti-semitic canards.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)I'd had hope it wouldn't come to this, but I was naive as it is already beginning. I realize that for reasons you have clearly stated recently that soon you will not be able to bring yourself to post here.
I will miss the many insights that you offer from your perspective as a journalist.
I will be largely absent myself for a while but my absence is common during purge season and I seldom offer much from my perspective of a now poor and disabled person that was once a blue collar lower middle class guy that was birthed in poverty.
Not much use for such a perspective here these days anyway, this place is more comfortable with the upper middle class perspective and has been for quite some time.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)What exactly about the upper middle class perspective is being emphasized here? I see a lot of people talking about income inequality and the impacts of poverty and other societal ills.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I agree with you about nadin's insights. They are unique. And, if you are not around, I will miss your insights, too.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)as critical
Hugs
Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Really sloppy background research, Ms. Rehm.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And if she had cited racist internet sources for the Obama birther hoax after accusing him of having dual citizenship with Kenya would DUers be excusing it?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You can't tell me she didn't know that was an anti-semitic slur.
She's not a newb.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)See, the people who come up with stuff like this aren't content to "preach to the choir." They want everyone else to accept their ideas too. That's the whole point! Of course, pretty much everyone who isn't a bigot wants nothing to do with bigotry, and so to "sell" this stuff, they have to make it look innocuous.
So... it's just a list, asserting that these individuals have dual citizenship. On the face of it, that's all it is. It's false, but the average internet spelunker isn't going to fact-check. it's linked to old-ass antisemitic tropes, but again, the average netizen isn't likely to be that savvy. So, they see it, accept it as fact, and pass it along or reference it without thinking too hard about it.
Should Rehm have known better? Abso-fucking-lutely. You and I should not be better journalists than people actually employed as journalists, don't you agree? But... Apparently the standards of modern journalism are so abysmally low that "But I found it on facebook" is seen as a worthy defense for a fuckup of this size. So, I think - unless there's a pattern I'm just not aware of - it's ignorance and Rehm just coasting along with whatever popped up on the first page of google.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'd expect that kind of mistake from a FoxNews pundit.
The fact that she followed up with this question :
"Interesting. Are there members of Congress who do have dual citizenship or is that part of the fable?"
is even worse.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Ted Cruz renounced his Canadian citizenship. And Michelle Bachman is a dual American-Swiss citizen, but isn't in office anymore...
Igel
(37,535 posts)Because, good faith or not, that was the general accusation against Cruz. If you have dual citizenship then you must be disloyal. (Heaven help us if it had been dual US/Mexican citizenship, because then the accusation, instead of being an anti-Canadian slur, would have been an anti-Latino slur.)
One point that should be made for the sake of the ether is that the long-standing anti-Semitic slur wasn't to accuse Jews of having dual citizenship, which is what some people have been saying (and not just anti-Semitic, btw, but it was common enough against Jews for the same reasons the charge was laid against others, and so they seem to have laid exclusive claim to it). The slur is older than 1948, before which there could have been no "dual citizenship" with Israel and goes to the very idea of "divided loyalties." Communists were accused of it routinely in the '20s through the '50s (and beyond). Immigrants were accused of it. Fascists were accused of it in the '30s and '40s. It's why Putin had a law passed in Russia that citizens with dual citizenship must report it by a certain date and would not be allowed to have positions of authority above a certain (low) level.
Complicating matters is that sometimes the right to obtain citizenship by virtue of birth or parents is construed as equivalent to having that citizenship. So the blanket offer of Israeli citizenship to Jews in the diaspora is evidence of actual citizenship. (I've seen races in countries that had a large anti-US attitude in which the blanket offer of US citizenship to the children of US citizens has been construed the same way. This muddles the whole "anti-Semitic" angle, of course. Unless we want to put anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism on the same footing. The claim can be anti-Semitic. But to say it must be anti-Semitic is for convenience in evidence-collecting and burden of proof. And who wants to have that kind of a burden?)
And it's why the accusation that Cruz had dual citizenship was an accusation. It's a claim of treason as an inherent property based often a status that is frequently irrelevant and the person often had no role in obtaining. (So my resident assistant in college was US/Nicaraguan/something and his girlfriend US/Columbian/Canadian. Each was born in the US from two non-US parents.) Accusing a non-Jew of it fails the "anti-Semitic" and "history of discrimination" part of the slur, but retains the "slur" part of "anti-Semitic slur." And it's the "slur" that makes it anti-Semitic in the first place.
If it's not obvious, I thought the anti-Cruz "dual citizenship," often a kind of parody slur, was too often intended to be a real slur. It played off this particular anti-Semitic slur, which is exactly what the parallel anti-Muslim slur did when used against Obama. And was exactly parallel to the "Obama is also a Kenyan" accusation. We say IOKIYAR as a claim. But often often seriously believe IOKIYAD.
still_one
(98,883 posts)radical Islam. That is still going through some of the airwaves.
Journalism has been at a low for sometime now
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Doesn't matter which Dem candidate it's aimed at, this kind of tactic shouldn't get a pass.
appalachiablue
(44,024 posts)Channel, all over the world. Deliberate and inexcusable.
elleng
(141,926 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Rehm: I understand from a list we have gotten that you were on that list.
Sanders: No.
Rehm: Forgive me if that is --
Sanders: That's some of the nonsense that goes on in the internet. But that is absolutely not true.
Rehm: Interesting. Are there members of Congress who do have dual citizenship or is that part of the fable?
Sanders: I honestly don't know but I have read that on the internet. You know, my dad came to this country from Poland at the age of 17 without a nickel in his pocket. He loved this country. I am, you know, I got offended a little bit by that comment, and I know it's been on the internet. I am obviously an American citizen and I do not have any dual citizenship.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/10/1392189/-WAMU-s-Diane-Rehm-Uses-Antisemitic-Slur-Against-Bernie-Sanders
Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)Reading the transcript makes it very clear. Nothing "innocent" about this. It stinks to high heaven.
This was an anti-Semitic attack on Senator Sanders. The follow-up question clinches it for me - why the fuck should Senator Sanders have to account for any dual citizens in Congress - why on EARTH would she ask this question except to cast doubt on his fitness for the Presidency? Why should Senator Sanders have to defend his credibility as as an American? President Obama had to deal with this too.
This is vomit inducing.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)it's an anti-semitic dog whistle.
And some DUers are pretending this is no big deal.
I think they're worse than Rehm.
appalachiablue
(44,024 posts)since announcing his candidacy on April 30, well over a month ago. None has brought up and pushed this issue except her. When I first heard the rumblings I thought, are they trying to say he was born in Poland, where his father was until fleeing WWII? When I heard Israeli citizenship I was blown away.
No he's not responsible for the citizenship of members of Congress. Actually there is one dual member, Sen. Ted Cruz who had US and Canada citizenship, but dropped Canada recently. This was deliberate and she was a soft missionary to deliver the blow given that she has a center following, some who like her, even here think she's been 'off' a bit in the last couple years (husband d. 2014), her voice disability, a woman, 78 years old, etc., set her up to do the work. She'll likely receive compensation for this effort.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)She just wouldn't let it go. I don't care what she has done in the past, this is the work of a hack
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Many DUers are rejecting the idea that this could have been an intentional slur but it doesn't seem that far fetched.
If she was very young and/or a clueless blogger maybe.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)are claiming it was an innocent statement. If that were true, why all the follow up questions after the dismissal of the first question. I wouldn't be surprised if officials in the party put her up to it - especially after some of the crap that happened in 08.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Some people have selective memories.
Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts)It simply demonstrates some the "oldies, but goodies" are still in play.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)with that woman who calls herself a fucking journalist and at anyone who downplays the motivation for her repulsive charge.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)another way of attacking Diane who has been fair to Muslims and Jews alike. She just does't bow to the "Israel can do no wrong" group and any questioning of Jews remotely related to Israel is always taken as anti-Semitic by many here.
Diane still has the most informative and balanced show on the air.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Who would that be?
cali
(114,904 posts)By using an ancient and very well known antisemitic smear.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"The openness and brazenness of the LBGT agenda and the media flaunting of gay marriages all across the country cost Dems dearly and threatens to do so in the future."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025764803#post45
Why this shit is permitted on DU toward some minority groups is something I can not explain.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)things.
cali
(114,904 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)What does that have to do with what she said to Sanders here?
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)asked Obama about his citizenship, including asserting that he was not a citizen of the US and a Kenyan.
I just think that this hoopla is all about keeping these questions on the airways as a subtle way of attacking Bernie whom both the RW and some on the left really fear. These folks don't have to say the words but feign outrage over Diane's questioning as a way to call some negative attention to Bernie.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That statement was not true and she stated that she got the information from a Facebook post purporting to be a list of Congress members who were dual citizens of Israel.
Don't you find that a little problematic?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Then backed that up with, basically "are you sure?", "are you really sure?", and "are there any other members of congress with dual citizenship?". This was not one single innocent statement
jeff47
(26,549 posts)No? Hrm...wonder if that might make it a wee bit different when it's about Jews.
elleng
(141,926 posts)I don't listen to her show often but whenever I do, I'm informed about the topic at hand.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)It is an anti-Semitic remark.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)
with R'lyeh.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)mamI' DaneH'a'? nItebHa' mamI' DaneH'a'?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)A woman walked up to him at a party and asked, "Would you like to dance?"
He looked her over and said, "Wrong verb."
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)It was a freak'n stupid thing to bring up and/or imply.
Journalist my ass!
Is she gonna ask Cruz about being Canadian? Or delve into making sure Rubio wasn't actually born in Cuba?
Oh ya...where's her "list" she was babbling about.
This steams me.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I expect that kind of thing from FoxNews idiots.
And to see it defended here is even worse.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)I have lived in several international cities popular with tourists from all over the world.
Right now, it's Vegas. This place attracts all types. I have an actual Buddhist sanctuary nearby and see the orange robes regularly. That opens your mind to other ways beyond your own.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Luckily I wasn't raised here.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)We have plans this year:

Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Not exactly a backwater.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)seeing as the first swift-boats have already lifted anchor.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I expect the Z word to get thrown around next.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)how much do you think that Benjamin Netanyahu fears and loaths the prospect of a president Sanders?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)I don't expect zionism to be thrown into the mix, though. Bibi needs his self-declared zionist pals in the Knesset.
Look out for the G-word instead: godless. "Everybody knows liberal Jews are actually godless".
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)One or the other.
Or both as is usually the case with swift boat types.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Such accusations might not stick to him.
The British prime-minister Gladstone was accused of immorality. (For trying to save women from prostitution.) He simply remarked "My reputation is in the hands of the Almighty" and went on doing what he had always done. And four times he was prime-minister. Some reputations are made of teflon...
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I have always admired Bernie because I know what he's made of, I just hope the rest of the country gives him a chance.
merrily
(45,251 posts)They fling pooh indiscriminately and hope something does the trick, and they don't much care what it is.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Simpering, elitist, establishmentarian, ignorant and lazy. That describes about 90% of Beltway journalists.
Not much better in other major cities either.
And then people are stunned that Hillary doesn't roll out the red carpet for them.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I think this kind of crap annoys him more than anything.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Her wiki singles them out.
appalachiablue
(44,024 posts)fossils still around, the ones who swing through administrations for decades. That she's close with the Clintons I can believe.
DFW
(60,189 posts)Namely my daughters (German/American).
They would have rolled their eyes at this crap. But there is a lot of ignorance about dual citizenship. We have an ex-Yugoslav neighbor here in Germany who insists it is impossible for someone over the age of 18 to hold dual citizenship if they have German passports (complete hogwash).
But someone hosting a long-standing radio show that is not on National Hate Radio should have known to check out something as big as Sanders holding a dual citizenship, especially after all the noise made by Republicans about Obama's citizenship.
Rehm is also a little arrogant when she claims to have put a rumor to rest. Did the rumor die with her gallant revelation?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)So the folks claiming it was similar to Ted Cruz/Canada are full of it.
DFW
(60,189 posts)I don't recall any crackpot sites claiming Darryl Issa has dual citizenship with Lebanon.
Oh, wait, I forgot. He's a Republican. Never mind.
Igel
(37,535 posts)It's fairly easy for anybody that's Jewish--specifically born of a Jewish mother, it's harder if it was your father, last I heard--to become an Israeli. I suspect you have to move there, make aliyah (I think it's called, too indifferent to check).
It's the same for other citizenships by right of inheritance. There are many people born to a US parent who don't claim US citizenship but could.
The real slur is that to have two citizenships = divided loyalties. "Divided loyalties" claims have been around far longer than Israel, and affect far more than citizenship. The "Obama is a Muslim" claim was different from Cruz/Canada but had things in common with it: One's status determines one's loyalties and, more importantly, one's disloyalties, whether or not the status is deeply claimed or even merely potential and only imputed. It's short-hand for the "treason" comments we often hear on both sides, a way of saying "there's our group, virtuous and loyal and properly in power, and their group, evil and disloyal and properly disenfranchised" and adducing non-evidence as proof. Both are ways of avoiding issues and debate and reducing a contest or dispute to the level of personal attacks. Such arguments should only be considered worth introducing into an argument for the sake of disposing of it as a part of civilized discourse, with self-policing by a group weighted above trying to police the other group (or feeding non-civilized discourse through the stocking of more mindless outrage.)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Any good journalist interested in dispelling rumours would have handled this much differently.
Like citing the anti-semitic source, stating the facts and then asking Bernie to weigh in on the subject.
I almost believe her mistake was accidental.
Almost.
merrily
(45,251 posts)DFW
(60,189 posts)It compounded her mistake to say she put a rumor to rest. She did no such thing. She did give a credible mea culpa for giving it air time in the first place (I had never heard it before), but all she ended up doing was making more people aware of the rumor. I seriously doubt she single-handedly made it disappear from every crackpot site that had/has it out there.
merrily
(45,251 posts)For me, it's just too reminiscent of the "racially-tinged" primary of 2008.
merrily
(45,251 posts)One showed that people believe what they learned first. Rather than eliminating the problem, later retraction or correction only reinforces the initial incorrect information.
Another study shows that people believe and remember most what reinforces their already existing beliefs. A retraction or correction doesn't change that, either.
I rather suspect politicians are very aware of this kind of thing.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)for a very long time to commit atrocities against Jews.
DFW
(60,189 posts)I guess the irrational need to stomp on somebody is inborn, or something.
Omaha Steve
(109,234 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Solly Mack
(96,943 posts)safeinOhio
(37,651 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)odd_duck
(107 posts)are confused with 'right of return', thinking it means 'dual citizen'.
What we should be concerned about is Arab-Americans joining and fighting for ISIS.
Plus, Jewish-Americans joining and fighting for the IDF.
That should not be allowed.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Period.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)And it pissed me off.