Memo to the Clinton Campaign

[cali]

To: Robby Mook, Hillary Clinton, John Podesta and assorted advisors

From: A Democrat who is having a hard enough time with the prospect of Clinton as nominee

Please rein in your surrogates.

Please do not give us a repeat of 2008 and the dubious, OK sleazy, tactics you employed against Obama.

Today, one of your surrogates, Representative Gutierrez, launched a very ugly and strikingly dishonest attack on Senator Sanders. Having Secretary Clinton say vague nice things about Sanders or simply ignoring him, while surrogates plant ugly, false suggestions, is not an acceptable practice. Obliquely going negative in this manner, when Senator Sanders has been so respectful of Mrs. Clinton, is particularly reprehensible.

I've committed to voting for the democratic nominee. Mrs. Clinton is the odds on favorite. I'd like to keep that commitment, but if this type of nasty attack against Sanders keeps going on, I'll consider that commitment null and void.

I realize that this may seem irrelevant to you, but I rather suspect I have quite a bit of company.

[MohRokTah]

1. .

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

40. Considering that he is a son of an immigrant

I think Bernie Sanders finds your .

Because it already backfired on Clinton, and what's more, foot in mouth disease is very prevalent in the Clinton campaign, and will just get worse.

[fleabiscuit]

181. I 'was' ready to enthusiastically support Hillary.

But you have talked me out of it.

[corkhead]

182. I am starting to wonder why I took you off "ignore"

I see your and raise you a

[MineralMan]

2. And what did Gutierrez say?

Do you have a link to that, please?

[cali]

3. here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6817096

[MineralMan]

5. Thank you.

[MohRokTah]

4. He's not sure if Bernie likes immigrants.

It looks like a tit for tat kind of thing to me. Bernie has been asking Clinton to talk about the TPP, and now Gutierrez wants Bernie to talk about immigrants.

[cali]

7. He flat out attacked Sanders in a thoroughly ugly and dishonest way.

[MohRokTah]

25. Did you even read what he said.

To call that an attack is ridiculous.

[cali]

27. yeah questioning whether Bernie likes minorities and immigrant- and immigrants

are minorities- isn't an attack sure, dear. You stick with that.

[MohRokTah]

47. It most certainly wasn't an attack.

Much ado about nothing, which is precisely the intent of the remarks. It makes Sanders supporters look less than mainstream, which again is the intent.

If you roll your eyes at the comments and walk away, they do not achieve the intended goal.

I think you need to learn more about how this politics stuff works.

[cali]

51. pitiful defense of smearing.

[MohRokTah]

55. .

Enjoy, the silly season has yet to really begin.

[cali]

58. sure. you keep on with that. it's a winner!

[MohRokTah]

60. You bet it is.

[DonCoquixote]

119. yup

and the one satisfying idea of a Clinton presidency is that when her acolytes stop being useful to her, they will be thrown under the bus as well. Come 2018, I really look forward to seeing all these "Hillary is a liberal" types complain as the Glue Boiler sharpens his knife, and Bill walks away with a thick wad of cash.

[2banon]

160. Kinda like Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild's of PUMA (Party Unity My Ass)

nasty remarks on Obama, much ado about nothing..


HRC's campaign is a repeat of 2008's, you bet your weensy bippy it is.

[JoePhilly]

134. If you have not accepted Bernie as your personal savior ...

... it is YOU who have attacked Bernie!!!!

[George II]

108. "Smearing"? How did he "smear" him?

[quickesst]

92. Some of Bernie's supporters...

.... can find an attack on him under a grain of sand.

[Enthusiast]

114. It was a smear and an attack. Can't fool us.

[840high]

116. If it means smearing good

people - I don't want to learn.

[Enthusiast]

112. It was a clear attack.

[roguevalley]

194. if he has nothing for immigrants, he has nothing for his own father.

she needs to rein them in. This is horrendous. Bernie is my man for a reason. I am sick of this shit.

[jeff47]

11. No, he's not sure if...uh...what's his name...Sanders likes immigrants

Making it a two-fer.

[cali]

15. that anyone would compare Bernie asking Hillary to clarify her position

on the tpp with the smears that Gutierrez uttered, says quite a bit.

[frylock]

39. it speaks volumes..

nothing was learned from their 2008 shit show. nothing.

[cali]

48. And apparently that goes for some of her supporters

Denying that this was an ugly attack is sickening and dishonest

[cui bono]

197. Don't you know cali, only Sanders supporters are big ol' meanies.

Meanwhile in the Hillary Group (which is actually the Hillary War Room) they openly plot against DUers. There was a thread about tattling on DUers who they deem meanies by sending their posts to the Sanders campaign, and then I saw one on tactics regarding how to raise your chances of being on a jury... they are deranged if they think it's Sanders supporters who are a problem on DU.

They are employing all sorts of RW tactics. swiftboating Bernie, pretending to be Bernie supporters while expressing 'concern' over his policies that they deem to be for 'white males only' and 'trickle down', editing posts way after replies have been made to make a poster look like they were wrong when they were not, projecting by accusing Bernie supporters of being bad when they are the ones all out plotting in their little war room.

It's sickening. And juvenile.

[Aerows]

96. And here we are again

with them trying the same shit.

I don't know who thinks this crap is going to work - first that reporter that questioned Bernie's citizenship, now this crap.

If this is intended to win friends and influence people, it isn't very well thought out.

[Enthusiast]

120. This tactic turned off millions of voters in 2008 and drove them into the Obama camp.

Someone is getting bad advice. Imagine that.

[BeanMusical]

188. +1

[davidpdx]

180. Personally I hope the Clinton surrogates continue to do this

It's a losing strategy.

[Enthusiast]

117. And the usual suspects are here to tell us how wrong we are.

[smokey nj]

14. Yes, because implying one's opponent is a bigot is exactly the same as asking one's opponent to

a stand on a current issue.

[cali]

28. disgusting

[smokey nj]

32. Disgusting is all they have and I honestly think this tactic is going to backfire.

[MissDeeds]

137. Could not agree more

It's an act of desperation. The Clinton camp will do anything to win. Anything. People are fed up with dirty tactics, will see it for what it is, and will support another candidate.

[Exilednight]

16. Just because you're not paying attention to Bernie, doesn't mean

he's not talking about immigration issues. If Hillary supporters actually listened to what Bernie is saying, they'd have a lot less to gripe about.

[SaranchaIsWaiting]

29. This is not a tit for tat. Sanders wanting to know Hillary's stand on TPP is a legitimate question.

I don't know how you can see that as an attack. She may not like it because she doesn't know what to say yet, but it is not an attack.

Lots of people want to know what she thinks on TPP. This is not in the same league as accusing Sanders of not standing up for immigrants, (which appears to be an outright lie which Does make it an attack), or that Bernie Sanders is a racist, or that he isn't a real American because of his dual citizenship with Israel or that he is a poor money manager because he isn't rich.

[frylock]

38. Trying to nail down a position on a trade agreement vs implying Sanders doesn't like immigrants..

yeah, same thing. Tit-for-tat. GTFO with that bullshit.

[Enthusiast]

122. Yeah, same thing.

[A Simple Game]

104. Perhaps Bernie would elaborate on his stance in regards to immigration, if he

weren't so busy answering other questions from the media.

So what is Hillary's excuse for not elaborating on her stance with regards to the TPP? Or is she too busy talking to the media also?

[DrDan]

168. are you suggesting he is losing control of his message? He has relinqueshed it to the media?

not a very substantive argument for someone running for President

[A Simple Game]

169. No I am not suggesting Bernie has lost control. I am suggesting that maybe the

media hasn't asked him about immigration yet. As for controlling the message I have seen none better than Bernie at politely deflecting the irrelevant and sometimes improper questions the media asks and turning the conversation back to what Bernie thinks is relevant.

Perhaps the media has asked Hillary her opinion on immigration and/or the TPP? Can you help us out in that regard, I seemed to have missed her last press conference?

[DrDan]

170. no - I cannot help you out - just reacting to your post where you claim he

can't elaborate his position because he is busy responding to media questions

if true, sure sounds to me like he has lost control of his message

[A Simple Game]

171. And it sounds to me that no matter what I say you will always find fault with Bernie

and never answer a question about Hillary.

But perhaps the media will find immigration a relevant topic and ask him about it. Seems if enough people cared that they would ask him. Maybe they don't know about you, give them a call with your concerns. Otherwise you can do a search for Bernie's position on immigration, you can even limit it to DU, and find your answers about how Bernie feels about immigration.

[DrDan]

173. I have yet to find fault with Bernie, and have yet to claim support for Hillary

Are you REALLY claiming the reason Bernie has not stated his position on immigration is because the media has not asked him about it?

Are you really saying that?

Your words are.

and no, I am not finding fault with Bernie - just your claim that it is the media's fault for not asking the right questions. I think it is more likely that he will comment on these issues as he finds appropriate. Same with Hillary.

[A Simple Game]

174. His position isn't hard to find, but I doubt you will look for it.

I'm saying the media isn't reporting it because they haven't asked about it, again the information is out there if you want it, but I doubt you want anything more than to find fault with Bernie.

[DrDan]

178. please show me where I found fault with Bernie. Quite the contrary . . .

I am simply saying he will comment on this when he finds it appropriate.

You, on the other hand, want to blame the media for not asking the right question, or not reporting as you would like. Hence, you are saying he is not in control of his message. That is EXACTLY what your words are saying.

"but I doubt you want anything more that to find fault with Bernie."

What fault did I find with Bernie? I did not claim he had no position on immigration, now did I.

[DonCoquixote]

111. apparently he never read this:

http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/bernie-sanders-immigration-reform_n_3467243.html
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/217697-dreamers-praise-sanders-over-clinton-after-confronting-both-in-iowa

But then again, it's not like the guy could do a google search.

[cascadiance]

125. I wonder if Hillary Clinton doesn't care about immigrants SCREWED by our H-2B program...

She certainly likes having more "immigrants" coming here through H-1B program.



http://www.thenation.com/blog/198665/these-workers-came-overseas-help-rebuild-after-hurricane-katrina-and-were-treated-prison#

Bernie doesn't like the way this program works and has noted so here!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/25/this-is-a-massive-effort-to-attract-cheap-labor-why-sen-bernie-sanders-is-skeptical-of-guest-workers/

I wonder if Hillary Clinton "doesn't like" these H-2B foreign workers!!

Now!... See how this crap works! I wonder why Bernie or those running his campaign don't lower themselves to this guy's "standards"!

[Cheese Sandwich]

6. Sanders and Clinton are both set to address Latino politicians group next week in Las Vegas...

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/06/09/bernie-sanders-to-address-latino-politicians-group-naleo/


Even though the group is advertising and promoting Clinton's and Dr. Ben Carson's appearances, with no mention of Sanders on their website. It's like he doesn't exist.

http://www.naleo.org/lasvegas2015/

http://www.naleo.org/

[cali]

8. not to mention that Bernie has repeatedly addressed immigrant issues

And has a better record than Hillary on those issues.

[BeyondGeography]

13. Maybe his website could reflect that better

Right now, it's an immigration-free zone. His issues page is that of a one-note candidate:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

They're doing him a favor.

[cali]

17. doing him a favor. what bull. And Hillary has nothing on her website- about any issue

[BeyondGeography]

20. She does have the whole thing translated into Spanish though

Not a bad idea.

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

43. Any idiot can run it through Google translate

[bettyellen]

103. Or anyone who speaks Spanish might be grateful and feel valued.

You can dismiss it as pandering, and I won't argue with that. But politically it's great outreach.

[Scootaloo]

164. When every link is a donate page, the verb you want is "priced," not "valued"

[bettyellen]

179. I honestly think O Malley's site is by far the best right now, Hill's is largely a place holder

Right now, and Bernie's is almost exclusively about finance, which is disappointing. But it's early.

[frylock]

129. Dona ahora

[SusanCalvin]

101. For real? (I haven't looked at it.)

In a rational world, that would be inexcusable. What's she waiting for, to figure out what her positions are? Yeah, probably.....

[Scootaloo]

163. Not even a "This space for rent, asking price $500,000" sign?

[morningfog]

26. Maybe Hillary's website could reflect any issues other than her quest to be a champion.

Right now it is a content-free zone. Hillary's issue page is non-existent. Her issues is that of a name-recognition candidate.

Someone needs to do her a favor.

[BeyondGeography]

30. lol...maybe she's still making up her mind

Not my candidate, but, having watched her trounce Obama in 2008 with Latinos, she's not the one with name recognition problems there.

[jwirr]

94. She is mining votes not supporting issues. Wake up - this is political.

[BeyondGeography]

141. Oh, I'm awake

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Hillary is bland and looks unbeatable. I hope she either becomes less bland or more beatable.

[frylock]

41. Clinton on the issues..

www.hillaryclinton.com/donate/

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

46. Just about the only content there..

At least Bernie has some issues up.

All they want to do is either collect the cash or get some sucker to do some free work for them.

I volunteer to work for Bernie because my time is worth money.

[BeyondGeography]

50. This is more like it

https://martinomalley.com/vision/

Easy-peasy. Bernie's site needs work.

[Aerows]

99. I like both O'Malley and Sanders

Clinton is trying to make her support of the TPP go away by pretending it isn't happening and ignoring it doesn't exactly scream "I'm for the middle class".

[Raine1967]

105. +1 N/t

[sheshe2]

147. Thanks for that link, BeyondGeography .

I glad he cares about the environment. The other 2 are about economics. I guess we will see some social justice in another few decades, because no amount of money will buy that for us.

[marble falls]

196. He's not so polished as some might like. Its a dull website. But the candidate is on the issues.

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

42. They'll change their minds after Sanders..

I would give Clinton only three minutes to say her stuff, and Bernie the entire hour as a form of punishment for Guiterrez.

[LuvLoogie]

158. Clinton and Carson arranged to speak at the conference

And NALEO issued press releases on June 3rd and June 4th respectively. They were added to the program, and a couple of days later NALEO at some point the website was updated.

Sanders didn't arrange to speak at the conference until June 9th it seams. It's June 11th. The conference is less than a week away. It might be a little late to be changing conference programs and updating websites. On site registration starts the 16th.

The NALEO press release will probably come tomorrow. I wasn't able to locate the Bernie Sanders campaign press release regarding his address to the NALEO Conference.

[fadedrose]

9. I'm in the company . . .

But I've seen that Gutierrez on TV a while back, and I can only remember that I did not like him...don't know why.

[djean111]

10. Yeah. I wouldn't think it clever to make the lesser evil too evil, ya know.

There is a breaking point, for me.

[geek tragedy]

12. even if those talking points weren't handed to Gutierrez, there should be some kind

of message sent for surrogates to play nice.

No more Billy Shaheen, Andrew Cuomo, Geraldine Ferraro antics.

[JI7]

18. this seems like an intentionally planned Geraldine ferraro moment

[geek tragedy]

22. no doubt Gutierrez thought he was scoring some points

for and with Hillary.

[Renew Deal]

19. Did you actually send this to Mook, Clinton, Podesta, etc

or is this just grandstanding on DU?

[truedelphi]

23. Do you think it is impossible for

A DU member to send something off to Mook, Clinton, Podesta, etc?

Whether or not such big shot uppity up's ever read it or reply is one thing, but sending it off wouldn't be a problem.

The internets are alive and well, at the moment.

[cali]

31. I actually sent it.

I hope to get a response. If I'd just written it for DU consumption, it would have been in my usual profane style. Because honestly? I think this shit is vile and that Gutierrez is a despicable little fuckwad.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

21. She can't help it. The Clintons are despicable. They were in 2008 and they will be in 2016!

[bravenak]

34. Yep

[840high]

155. Totally agree.

[DanTex]

24. Only Hillary bashing is aloud! No criticism of anyone else!

[cali]

33. pathetic. this is about her surrogate, not poster's on a message board

[DanTex]

35. Of course, Hillary put him up to this. Yay conspiracy theories!

I guess one advantage Bernie has is that, since he doesn't have any supporters outside of posters on message boards, nobody can blame him for things that other people say.

[AtomicKitten]

44. Bernie has never run a negative campaign/ad in his life.

He has not and will not attack Hillary on anything other than policy, and even then he is polite.

Can Hillary say the same? Let's review a smattering of her surrogate slime trail in 2008:

Andrew Cuomo: Obama shucking and jiving.
Sid Blumenthal: Racist emails.
Billy Shaheen: Obama drug dealer.
Geraldine Ferraro: If Obama was white he wouldn't be in this position.
Bob Kerrey: Obama Muslim.

Hillary struggles against sexism but regularly plays the race card.
http://www.alternet.org/story/84150/hillary_struggles_against_sexism_but_regularly_plays_race_card

She's a champion alright. The Queen of Refuse. The Queen of Slime. The Queen of Filth. The Queen of Putrescence. Boo! Hiss!

[Raine1967]

118. I can honestly say I wasn't aware about Andrew Cuomo. Had to look it up.

found this.

The phrase “shuck and jive” popped up in the last presidential election cycle too, when New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo said, “You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference. All those moves you can make with the press don’t work when you’re in someone’s living room.” At the time, Cuomo was supporting Hillary Rodham Clinton in her primary race against Barack Obama and others.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/palin-accuses-president-of-shuck-and-jive-on-libya/2012/10/24/cd0616b4-1df6-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_blog.html

[AtomicKitten]

162. It's starting again.

Frankly I'm stunned they are running the same campaign. This stuff makes my skin crawl. It's insidious and ugly. If she gets the nomination, she is ensuring more Democrats will write in somebody else's name. Self-inflicted sabotage. Bernie will not go negative.

[cali]

45. every public official, elected dem who endorses her is a surrogate

It's up to the campaign to ensure that their surrogates don't smear rivals. That simple. No CT needed

[DanTex]

52. Hmm. That's an interesting standard. Seems to me that you're running out

of things to bash Hillary about, so now you're switching to bash-by-association.

[cali]

53. that's the commonly accepted standard. or don't you remember 2008?

[DanTex]

56. If you say so. This was just a guy speaking his mind without any

connection whatsoever to the Clinton campaign, so either you're extraordinarily (and ironically) sensitive to criticism of Bernie, or else you are fishing for stuff to pin on Hillary. This wasn't, you know, Bill Clinton. And the thing is, Hillary has no reason to attack Bernie, since he's no threat to her.

[jeff47]

61. Just like Geraldine Ferraro in 2008.

And Andrew Cuomo
And Sid Blumenthal
And Billy Shaheen
And Bob Kerrey

They were all just speaking their mind without any connection whatsoever to the Clinton campaign.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go for a ride on my rainbow-shitting unicorn.

[DanTex]

66. If you think this guy was somehow being coached by the Clinton campaign then, yes,

you should take a ride on that unicorn.

[jeff47]

67. So Clinton's campaign is utterly incompetent?

If these surrogates were just speaking their mind, then Clinton's campaign would have distanced themselves from them.

Clinton's campaign did not do so. Heck, Bill played the race card. He not connected to the Clinton campaign at all? Not worth making a statement about?

I thought the argument for Clinton was how experienced she was. Not how incompetently she can run a campaign.

[DanTex]

71. First of all, Hillary's campaign hasn't even launched yet.

Apparently she doesn't see the need to "distance herself" from comments made by someone who is not associated with her yet to be launched campaign. And I agree with her. Anyone who is going to hold this against her is too far outside the realm of rational thought to bother with.

[jeff47]

72. Pssst...those happened in 2008. Her campaign was definitely launched. (nt)

[DanTex]

73. I was talking about the incident in the OP, not the 2008 incidents.

[jeff47]

74. Which is why you were replying to a post about the 2008 incidents.

And up to that point had been talking about the 2008 incidents. Hrm....wait, that doesn't quite fit....

I know! Let's say those evil people recording what Clinton's surrogates say will get a response from her 2020 campaign. That totally pushes off any responsibility so we can ignore this ugly topic and get back to how awesome the Clinton logo looks.

[DanTex]

75. My mistake. I don't care about the 2008 incidents, seeing that it's now 2015.

[jeff47]

77. Uh...the primary reason Clinton argues for her campaign is her lengthy track record.

So, should we now treat Clinton as completely inexperienced since it's 2015?
Or should we consider her to have a lengthy track record? Including the less-than-flattering parts.

[DanTex]

81. Her track record is a lot more than the 2008 campaign, you know.

And the reason that I am for Clinton is because she's the only one that can beat the Republicans. So really none of this stuff makes any difference to me.

[jeff47]

93. Not according to what your previous post.

Your dodge was 2008 didn't count because it's 2015. Which is it? Track record and respond about 2008, or no track record and 2008 doesn't count?

And the reason that I am for Clinton is because she's the only one that can beat the Republicans.

You need to work on counting to 270. We have 254 electoral votes from the solidly "blue" states. The only way a Republican wins 2016 is Gore-level incompetence in the Democratic campaign.

All we need is VA to win. But Clinton makes it harder to win VA - McAuliffe, despite running against an unindicted co-conspirator, barely won. And he closely mirrors Clinton's politics. Democrats who were to the left of McAuliffe did better, so we should expect someone to Clinton's left to do better. Plus she's going to energize the fuck out of Republicans in VA.
So we need CO + IA to win. Clinton didn't do much to boost Udall in 2014, and she didn't do well in IA in 2008.
So we need OH. Which just rejected centrist candidates in 2014.
So we need FL. Which just rejected centrist Christ in 2014. Hell, Nelson got a bit of a scare, and that was 2012.

From there it starts getting ugly. For example, how would Clinton take WV? Only reason it's purple is economic desperation, and more status-quo from Clinton isn't going to get those voters.

So Clinton makes it harder to win. Chafee and Webb would have an even harder time. Either O'Malley or Sanders should have an easier time winning VA via high turnout in the DC suburbs, and that ends the entire race.

Now, the Republican has to win all 10 "purple" states and turn one "blue" state. That's not going to happen unless the Democrat runs a terrible campaign. Clinton lost a 30-point lead in 2008. So Clinton already ran a terrible campaign.

[DanTex]

95. Again, I don't care about those 2008 incidents. At all.

I also don't care about the incident from the OP. At all.

I'm not saying Clinton can beat the GOP easily, I'm saying that she's the only one that can. I don't see the slightest evidence that Sanders can win in places like OH, FL, CO, VA, and so on. He wouldn't even win all the blue states. Aside from being a self-described socialist and lacking charisma, he also has no fundraising capacity whatsoever, meaning that he's going to be getting hammered with ads and not have the ammo to fire back.

The other thing is that, whether or not you or I like it, Clinton is going to be the nominee. Which means that Clinton-bashing is purely counterproductive -- the only effect it can possibly have is making a GOP win more likely.

[ellisonz]

97. I wish to associate myself with the comments of the Gentleman from Texas.

[bvar22]

62. Do you believe that Campaign HQ is anything other...

...than a conspiracy?
...for either or all sides?

[think4yourself]

79. No supporters?

Maybe I need to get my eyes checked? From the pictures I've seen and articles I've read, Sanders is drawing excited crowds of thousands.
The second I hear he's speaking within a couple hours drive from here, I'm sure my neighbors and friends will be texting me, asking for rides!
Maybe we'll see you there?

[rhett o rick]

191. If you can't compete debating the issues, I guess Swiftboating comes next. nm

[Paka]

36. Starting out by pretending not to even know his name???

How ugly can you get?

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

37. So the Clinton campaign goes negative and it already backfires on them.. big time..

and two days before the "kickoff" in an island with not enough logistics to produce 100,000 supporters on an island.

[brooklynite]

49. I suspect Bernie's surrogates would make the same mistake from time to time...

...if Bernie had any.

Hillary racks up endorsements for 2016

Hillary Clinton has already secured endorsements from 104 Democratic lawmakers for her 2016 presidential run, locking down 44 percent of all Democrats in Congress, according to a survey by The Hill.

Seventy-seven House lawmakers, over 40 percent of the 188 Democrats in the chamber, as well as 30 senators, about two-thirds of the upper chamber’s 46 Democrats, are in the former secretary of State’s camp.

Fourteen of the 23 current Democratic senators who served alongside Clinton during her tenure in the upper chamber are also backing her bid.

The Hill

[cali]

54. I know you're wrong. her pattern is clearly established, as is his.

[jeff47]

57. Excellent job showing us just how classy Clinton's fans are.

Sneering is totally the best way to gain votes.

[brooklynite]

68. ...something the Sanders fans mastered months ago...

[jeff47]

70. Yes, asking for Clinton's position on the TPP is totally offensive and out-of-line.

We must sit quietly and wait for our betters to tell us what is important.

[840high]

121. You lie. Did you keep a

straight face typing that. Remember how Clinton did Obama?

[Scootaloo]

166. Didn't see Sanders fans accusing Clinton of having dual loyalties.

Didn't see Sanders fans accusing Clinton of being responsible for the Chicago PD's "hunting" photo.
Don't see Sanders fans pretending to not know Clinton's name.
Don't see Sanders fans saying Clinton is pro-rape.
Don't see Sanders fans calling Clinton a segregationist.

So yes, I'd say they mastered being classy, thank you for noticing. Take notes. There will be an exam.

[cui bono]

198. At least according to the DU talking points.

I missed the OP where you guys planned that but I did see the one about tattling on Sanders supporters and the one about how to manipulate DU juries. Lots of projection coming from Hillary supporters.

[KingCharlemagne]

187. Rattling one's jewelry and bragging about one's political junkets also does wonders, I hear - nt

[misterhighwasted]

59. What the hell does Gutierrez suppot of Sen O'Malley on immigration have to do with Hillary

Off the freakin deep end..
I would kinda enjoy hearing the response you'd get from Mook.
Please, send that to Team Hillary.

I'll be watching Correct the Record for a more fairer analysis than yours, cali.

You are pissed at Hillary because Gutierrez gave a public acknowledgment to O'Malley on immigration and not to Sanders, yet encouraged him to speak up.

What an embarrassing letter.
Perhaps you should have called out, in your shit shaming way, Mr Gutierrez.
Hillary had nothing to do with this.

Step away from the cliff's edge a bit.

[jeff47]

65. Wrong candidate. Gutierrez backs Clinton.

I'll be watching Correct the Record for a more fairer analysis than yours, cali.

Sorry, they're busy covering super-important issues like how cool the Clinton campaign logo is.

[cali]

136. fail. he is a Clinton supporter. way to demonstrate you don't have a clue

Try fucking informing yourself.

[misterhighwasted]

138. No You are the big Fail. Try informing yourself.

Not interested in your pissing match cali.
You are dead wrong on this matter.
But don't let that stop you from your fantasy land hate fest.
BYE CALI.
This is a perfect time to TRASH THIS THREAD. Such spiteful hate.

[TM99]

154. Psssst....dude.....you owe Cali an apology.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/7/71/161658/luis-gutierrez-throws-his-support-behind-hillary-clinton-in-2016

“I will be happy to back Hillary Clinton, I think she has an astonishing background and a readiness,” Gutierrez said. “If she’s ready, I’m ready for Hillary.”

[Scootaloo]

167. Maybe wait until you're not high and wasted before posting, mister.

[Zorra]

63. Gutierrez supported Rahm Emanuel over Chuy Garcia for Chicago Mayor.

That speaks volumes.

[brooklynite]

69. And so did most of the voters in Chicago.

[DonCoquixote]

176. and that

says a LOT about Chicago..

[appalachiablue]

183. Sorry to know that, it says much about Gutierrez.

[oberliner]

64. Why do you think his comment comes from the Clinton Campaign?

Maybe it's just his own opinion that he shared of his own volition.

I don't think it's fair to imply that Clinton, or one of her people, put him up to doing so without any evidence.

[leftofcool]

76. Of course it is his own opinion, but blaming Hillary is more fun for Bernie supporters.

[cali]

82. He's a Clinton surrogate. I'm asking the campaign to tell surrogates

not to engage in smearing. And he's lying. Do you actually believe that he doesn't know the name or positions of someone he served with for 17 years who co-founded the Progressive Caucus of which he has been a long time member?

[oberliner]

83. I'm not defending his statement

I am asking what makes him a "Clinton surrogate".

[still_one]

140. Maybe Bernie's campaign can tell surrogates like you to stop the smearing

[Kingofalldems]

78. You should heed your own advice.

[cali]

85. I'm not a surrogate for any campaign. duh

[Kingofalldems]

130. Sen. Sanders would be so proud of you---not.

[LordGlenconner]

80. I'm sure they'll give your memo all the consideration it deserves

[cali]

86. if they were smart they would. I'm not alone

[murielm99]

84. I get it now.

Anyone who does not support Bernie is ugly and dishonest. Also sleazy.

Thanks for today's feeding frenzy from the Bernistas. Yesterday it was Diane Rehm. I wonder who it will be tomorrow.

[Maedhros]

151. Did you read what Gutierrez actually said?

That's some egregious bullshit right there. It's reasonable to criticize it, and quite unreasonable to whine about such criticism.

/bye.

[murielm99]

161. A Bernie supporter accusing someone of whining?

Gutierrez is a respected member of Congress. Grow up.

[Gamecock Lefty]

87. Memo to the Bernie Hacks on DU . . .

Please talk about your own candidate and quit starting a new thread for every single thing you dislike about Hillary.

[cyberswede]

89. Why do you call Sanders supporters "hacks?"

You can always use the Ignore and Trash Thread features.

[smokey nj]

102. Looks like someone lost a sock.

[Divernan]

156. And the jury says . . . (5 to 2) LEAVE IT!

Looks like someone lost a sock.
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[840high]

123. Supporters are hacks?

[tularetom]

88. More sleazy Clinton bullshit, guess they didn't learn anything from 2008

When their racist attacks on Obama blew up in their face.

I will not cast a vote against the presidential candidate of the Democratic party in 2016.

[antigop]

90. maybe you should talk to Michelle Kwan

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/06/10/michelle-kwan-to-join-the-hillary-rodham-clinton-campaign/

Ms. Kwan will bring a touch of celebrity to Mrs. Clinton’s relatively austere headquarters, where the frugality of the campaign manager, Robby Mook, is well known. Her arrival comes as Mrs. Clinton’s team hopes to add excitement to the next phase of the campaign. Ms. Kwan’s focus is said to be on directing campaign surrogates to engage voters on issues critical to working families.

[TBF]

148. Michelle Kwan is going to talk to us about working families?

Perhaps Hillary can drag out a few more celebrities from the 1% to parade around and try to impress everyone. When you can't dazzle them with brilliance ...

Quite frankly most of us are damned sick of the 1%.

[George II]

91. When I first read the article posted elsewhere here, I thought it was a derogatory comment...

...and said so. But then I watched the video and saw exactly what he said, how he said it, and in the context of the interview.

I thought it wasn't nearly as bad or derogatory as it's now being portrayed here and elsewhere.

He said he didn't know Sanders' position on immigration because Sanders hasn't yet spoken on that. I think 99% of even SANDERS supporters can't articulate what his position is. All I've seen in the hours since this "broke" (yes, it was posted in "Latest Breaking News"!) is how Sanders has voted on several immigration bills, which is NOT indicative of his policy/position on immigration.

[JI7]

100. how about pretending he didn't know his name ?

[George II]

106. I'm not making excuses for him, but I'm also not going to say he "pretended" to not know his name...

....King told him and then he repeated it. BFD.

Watch the entire interview, not just 15 seconds of it.

By the way, he also couldn't come up with the state where O'Malley was governor. Did he "pretend" that?

People are doing Sanders more harm than good by harping on triviality.

[JI7]

109. he has a long time relationship with sanders

[George II]

124. A couple of years ago I sat down at a bar next to a guy I worked with for eleven years....

.....I couldn't remember his name, had to go out to the parking lot and call my wife to remind me of his name.

[RufusTFirefly]

98. Ah yes! The joys of plausible deniability. n/t

[ibewlu606]

107. Wow!

I STILL cannot get over how HRC supporters overlook or are willfully ignorant of her actions and record that if were done by a Republican would make those same supporters lose their shit in a major way. Remember how we used to make fun of Teabaggers who acted in the same bizarre manner?

[DonCoquixote]

113. feel the bern , eh?

Then again, as Hillary has been running for this job for almost 8 years one would think she should be able to answer questions. That is ok, we know this is just the warm up for when she is in office and can go to war with Syria and cut benefit programs, all with the safety of having acolytes attack anyone who asks those questions then.

[Maedhros]

152. Bernie's position on this issue is as good or better than Hillary's.

Pretending he "hasn't taken a position" just makes you look ignorant.

Speaking of ignoring..

/bye.

[jalan48]

115. I agree with you Cali

Hillary may find that a lot of progressives write in Bernie Sanders name in the general election if he loses to her in the primary. Assuming progressives will support Hillary just because the Republicans are worse is a huge mistake on the part of Hillary Democrats.

[840high]

127. If she is the candidate - I'll write

Sander's name in.

[still_one]

145. Typical. If you don't support the Democratic nominee, you will not vote for that nominee.

[Duppers]

126. NOTHING will null & void my vote for our Democratic candidate.

Be it Hillary or Bernie.

That kind of thinking will guarantee a rethug victory.

[still_one]

146. Absolutely correct, and though I suspect that the majority of Democrats and Progressives will

vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is, regardless who the candidate is it will not an easy task

[navarth]

128. Yes, you have company.

Extremely disappointed with this horseshit from Gutierrez. He knew it was horseshit and he said it anyway.

[asjr]

131. Why do you do this sort of thing? Almost every day baiting others

about someone running for president and how you do not like them. You seem to enjoy making accusations against different ones because it causes many many replies which you can disagree with. If you are having a hard time with the prospect of Clinton as president then vote for someone else. I do not care who you vote for and you should not care who I am voting for. I complain about Republicans not Democrats. Why don't you do the same.

[cali]

135. it's just screwed up to see this as baiting

[misterhighwasted]

139. Its like an addiction for some people. Fits of spiteful hate

Best to Trash these constant hatefilled threads & Ignore .

[Jester Messiah]

144. I'm gonna guess...

it's because calling out shady underhanded bullshit is the right thing to do.

[Maedhros]

153. I can only speak for myself, but I don't want to see Hillary anywhere near the White House.

Thus, when her campaign spouts bullshit, I'll call them on it.

I complain about Democrats who have horrible policy stances as well as Republicans - because it's the horrible policy stances that are the problem, not the letter after the politician's name.

[MissDeeds]

157. +1

I agree.

[stonecutter357]

132. you seem desperate!

[zentrum]

133. She won't say her position on the TPP

Because she supports it. The time to speak up is now. Before the vote tomorrow.

The fact that she is silent equals consent and support.

Her support of the TPP is not from any conviction about it——just her not wanting to upset her corporate donors. Yet she can't say for it because of Sanders supporters, unions, and environmentalists.

I remember how in a TV interview in 2008 she played it both ways when asked if she thought Obama was a Muslim. She should have stood up and said it's a disgusting question on several levels. But no---she saw the rumor as serving her.

[orpupilofnature57]

142. The two faces of Hillary are seen time and again, forthcoming only

when exposed, always act on bad information even with all those connection, wants responsibility but is Never culpable for anything .

[hifiguy]

143. The Clintons have repeatedly shown

that they will do whatever it takes to get what and where they want. No surprises here.

[NanceGreggs]

149. Straw-grasping at its finest! n/t

[bigtree]

150. I believe the congressman spoke for himself

...as a prominent member of a committee on immigration.

I don't endorse his comments, but I don't think he needed prompting to make his statement.I do think he was ill-informed about Sanders, however, it remains to be seen just how specific Bernie will be in this campaign on the issues the congressman raised. I think we'll see more from the senator at his announced upcoming appearance before a Latino advocacy group.

The congressman is raising the same point many have made about the importance in vocalizing support for these issues of immigration in this campaign, and not expecting that the public can necessarily harken back to some earlier support the senator has voiced.

[2banon]

159. Well Done, Cali!

[DCBob]

165. So you would risk throwing this country completely to the Republicans??

Foolish.

[cali]

172. my vote is irrelevant, as is yours if you live in D.C.

but fuck dirty Clilntonian politics.

[DCBob]

175. So if you lived in any of the battleground states then that changes your statement.

Please modify your Op to include that disclaimer.

[rhett o rick]

192. You've got it backwards. Sen Sanders will unite the Democratic Party while

HRC and her contempt for progressives will split the party. This is a choice of a people's candidate or the billionaires candidate. I can see why you might assume that the billions to be invested in a HRC win must guarantee a win and winning apparently is more important than principles. Clinton and Bush were on the same page when it came to invading Iraq. What makes you think she has changed? Jeb is already saying that he supports his brother's decision to invade and he points out that so did HRC.

Aren't you concerned at all that Goldman-Sachs will be happy with either Clinton or Bush? Show some fortitude and stand up for freedom and liberty. Don't give in to the billionaires.

[DCBob]

201. You've got it confused.

My comment has nothing to do with Sanders. Cali was threatening not to support the Dem nominee. That is the issue.

[rhett o rick]

202. Exactly. If HRC wins the nomination the Democratic Party risks losing to the Republicons

for the very reason you state. It would be a shame if cali and progressives stayed home but in past elections lots of people stayed home. People that have given up on the election process that has one billionaires' choice running against another billionaires' choice. Sen Sanders is appealing to these people that have been disgusted with the process.

The billionaires see a Clinton v Bush race as win win. Shouldn't that be a warning?

Our founders took a chance and fought for our freedoms and liberties. Take a chance and support the people's candidate and fight the status quo of the billionaires.

[DCBob]

203. Which if the so called "progresives" did that..

they would be committing political suicide.

[rhett o rick]

204. The main point is that we will all lose if a Republicon wins. It doesn't make it any better

blaming the progressives. I think it's the HRC supporters that are committing suicide by backing someone that represents the billionaires. Support Sen Sanders and let's kick some Oligarch butt.

There is a movement around the world. The lower classes are sick of being exploited and are looking to overthrow the Oligarchs like Goldman-Sachs. I doesn't make sense for DEmocrats to support the uber wealthy like the Republicons do.

[Dont call me Shirley]

184. K & R

[Betty Karlson]

185. I'll keep you company.

It's good company.

[SoapBox]

186. Kicked

[sulphurdunn]

189. “We’ve got the socialist, uh I can’t remember his name. Bernie Sanders,”

Gee, he can't remember the name of that "socialist" with whom he served 14 years in the House and 22 years in congress, who happens to be a candidate for President of the United States in his own party? Makes you wonder what else he can't remember.

[Zorra]

190. There is an old folk saying, "Birds of a feather flock together".

The embarrassing lack of integrity shown by a frightening number of supporters of Secretary Clinton makes me not want to ever be associated in any way with the those who are supporting her.

[Voice for Peace]

193. +++++

I missed the attack from Gutierrez.. but she was vile in the
'08 and that's one of the biggest reasons I can not support
her.

[marble falls]

195. Hear, hear! +1000

[Fast Walker 52]

199. Nailed it!!

can't stand that crap

[Indepatriot]

200. Just the start of the Sleazefest

...."the socialist"...mission accomplished! This is the crap that makes me loathe the Clintons and the reason it's so hard to tell them from the sleaze merchants in the GOP. Trust me, this is just the beggining. If Bernie starts leading in the polls Bill will opine that Sander's campaign reminds him of Joseph Stahlin's. Can't wait for Bob Shrum's "off the cuff" observations. And if I see one more "she's the only one who can beat the Big Bad Republicans " comment I may start vomiting blood. A well -dressed Halibut could wipe the floor with any GOP clown car member. I will say this, I intend to vote Democratic no matter who the nominee is, but HRCs sleazy tactics may well change my mind. With friends like her who needs enemies?