@#$& Rep. Luis "Ready for Hillary!" Gutiérrez

[MannyGoldstein]

Just @#$& him. Lying SOB says:

"We’ve got the socialist, uh I can’t remember his name. Bernie Sanders... I don’t know if he likes immigrants because he doesn’t seem to talk about immigrants. But sooner or later, he’ll tell us. I hope he likes immigrants. I haven’t heard him say anything. He’s been kind of quiet and silent... So I hope that when he sees this program, he sees that there’s a lot of people waiting to hear from him."

Meanwhile, if he or his staff had spent two minutes using Internet search, they would have found:

Candidate who never talks about immigration delivers 20 minute speech on immigration reform

But that's what they didn't want to find. Definitely not.

Yesterday the Diane Rehm show, today Luis Gutiérrez... this will become a drumbeat, day after day, garbage smear after garbage smear. That's how this crowd works.

Let's hope that Bernie learned one lesson from the Clintons: there's no room for turning the other cheek when dealing with folks who want to stomp you. He, and his supporters, need to let the world know, loud and clear, that bull@#$& is bull@#$& and those who truck in bull@#$& are not friends of the 99%.

Only bare knuckles will get the job done for the American People.

[haikugal]

1. It's time we fight back

against this slimy crap. Feel the Bern!

[sabrina 1]

6. We will. Spread the word about Guitterez around the Social Media is where Bernie's hundreds of

thousands of supporters are busy every hour of every day getting the word to people about who he is and what he stands for.

This guy is among those in Congress who need to go.

And he's not even a good actor. ''Ooooh, I'm supposed to use the word 'socialist' but how do I get it in, I know, I'll pretend I don't know his name and then say his name, because it wouldn't work would it, if you didn't know his name.

These Cold Warriors are living in the past. Today's generation don't give a s*&t about their old McCarthisms, most are probably hearing the word for the first time and LIKING IT.

Let them keep this garbage up, it only makes Bernie look BETTER.

But meantime, yes, we definitely do have to fight back, HARD.

They cannot talk about issues because they are FOR CORPORATIONS and Bernie is for the PEOPLE, who HATE the corruption of Corporate control of our government.

So this is their lame attempt to distract from their Corporate allegiances, and it isn't working.

[cali]

2. Gutierrez spent 17 years serving with Bernie in the House

And in the Progressive Caucus which Bernie founded. It was a deliberate lying smear. Slimy.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. "Uh, I can't remember his name"

Incredible.

[cali]

4. typical. disgusting but typical. fuck the smearmeisters

[sabrina 1]

8. You forgot Boyd Brown, from the DNC who called Bernie 'crazy'. It's not going to affect Bernie, what

is doing is exposing these corporate tools for what they are. They are not even SMART enough to do it convincingly.

Nasty, mean spirited. Bernie Sanders will rise above all of them, he already is, that is why they are stomping their feet, because they cannnot compete with him on the issues and they know it.

[MannyGoldstein]

15. That was epically stupid

Nothing screams "I'm a Third-Way Asshat" like calling an FDR Democrat "crazy".

[leveymg]

49. Epic stupidity, yes, but he is a declared member of Team Hillary.

The Congressman is just lending his voice to the "no support among minorities for Bernie" meme.

Bill dropped the same type of racial stink bombs in 2008. If you have do innuendo, go for The Big Lie!

Politics is all about division, right guys? Go Team Big Lie!

[sabrina 1]

68. The blight on the Democratic Party, The Third Way! They are a third party that latched onto

our party rather than have the guts to start their own, which would have gone nowhere due to their anti-American People/pro-Wall St policies. Which is why they attached themselves to our party.

[arcane1]

80. Reminds me of Bush pretending he barely ever heard of Ken Lay n/t

[840high]

21. Slime ball.

[Luminous Animal]

5. Yep. Jew. Racist. Socialist. Pick your own order.

[Art_from_Ark]

13. The smear campaign is getting pretty tiring

[Spitfire of ATJ]

26. They're putting together a BIG list so every interview and every debate question is about this crap.

[MisterP]

67. actually it's literally called "Judeocommunism" and can drive a lot of the hate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BBydokomuna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragic_Week_%28Argentina%29

[krawhitham]

7. This is the type of campaign they run, did the same 8 years ago

And look how well it worked out in the end

[MannyGoldstein]

9. But 24 years ago, it worked swell

Axelrod is a street fighter. That's what Bernie needs, too.

[cali]

10. for good or for ill, Bernie won't stoop to conquer

[MannyGoldstein]

11. No need to stoop.

Just honest-but-sharp elbows when needed.

[TM99]

12. Indeed.

And today Clinton's supporter will call you sexist if you dare to criticize her or this despicable surrogate passive aggressiveness.

I know Sanders will not go 'negative' but I do suspect he will fight this all the way to the White House.

[sabrina 1]

16. He won't, he just keeps climbing. But there's no rule that says we can't deal with these

morons. They are going to be facing millions of Bernie's supporters when they LIE and SMEAR a candidate who has never had to that in his entire political career.

They only show the huge contrast between their own petty little selves and someone who so far above them, they look like little bugs trying reach for the moon.

[hedda_foil]

24. Yep, this has team H's signature all over it.

It's starting to look like their trademark.™

[SoapBox]

14. I said in another OP today about this...

that the guy was an ass.

I then got told off about what a GREAT Democrat he is and how I need to stand with Democrats.

Needless to say,



It will be fine with me if Bernie takes the high road and keeps moving...but we can tell this guy off.

Thanks for posting this Manny.

[MannyGoldstein]

17. There's a crowd here...

don't get me started...

[Cheese Sandwich]

18. The art of the smear. Does't matter if it's true, just put the doubt out there to confuse people.

[zeemike]

20. Tell the big lie and tell it often.

They know what they are doing...expect more of the same.

[BeanMusical]

19. When I first read this on the FB feed yesterday, before clicking on the link...

I thought that it was an attack from some Repugnant. Ready for Hillary to stoop even lower in the coming months.

[840high]

22. She will - same old Hillary as in '08.

[GoneOffShore]

75. David Byrne said it before.

From 1:45

[840high]

84. Thanks!

[former9thward]

23. Luis Gutiérrez came to power as part of the Chicago Daley machine.

They are in bed with Clinton so his comments are not surprising and totally expected.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

25. Is Hillary okay with this?

[JackInGreen]

27. so..um...Hillary supporters?

We're....not not on the same page, we're all in this together...I assure you.
We rely on you, as well as our own, to oust this cat and make sure that y(our) possible candidate doesn't allow this shit to fly in their own camp.
We'll do the same to anyone in Bernies that opens their mouth and spews poo, you get yours, we'll get ours....but I mean, they're ALL ours.
So can we count on you?

[jeff47]

50. Your answer is in the post below yours. (#28) (nt)

[JackInGreen]

55. I'm afraid

It's going over my head man, I've also been up 30 hours at this point so I'm a bit dense.

[jeff47]

58. #28 and below is Clinton supporter backing Gutiérrez's comments.

And not at all condemning attacks within the party.

[JackInGreen]

59. Got the

Other thread handy? I can see Nance being obstinant but not defending him (exactly). Not being obstinant myself, just show me the way.

[jeff47]

60. Attacking those attacking Gutiérrez is defending Gutiérrez. (nt)

[NanceGreggs]

28. Yeah, let's hope that Bernie ...

... who has refused to run a negative campaign, will read your post and realize that he was all wrong - and YOU, on the other hand, know how he should be doing things.

I have no doubt that he will take your advice as seriously as it deserves to be taken.

[Fumesucker]

29. I used to really respect you a great deal, I considered you a powerful voice for truth and principle

I saw your comments on the other thread carefully avoiding any criticism of Rep Gutierrez' vile and obvious innuendos. Watching your performance lately is painful, I really thought you were better than this, that you were a principled person and it saddens me to realize how wrong I was.

[NanceGreggs]

31. It was not a matter of ...

... avoiding nor defending Guitierrez's comments - which I did neither.

My comments on that thread were about the statement that his remarks could be "traced back to Hillary's campaign" - which no one has offered a shred of evidence to support.

Maybe you're not as interested in "facts" as you used to be when someone makes such a claim. I still am.

If you can provide a link to where I "defended" the rep's comments, I'd be happy for you to post them. But no such "defense" exists.

I believe being "principled" means that when someone states that a comment can be "traced back" to any politician's campaign, they should be able to back up that statement with facts. Thus far, no one has posted any "facts" that support the allegation that Guiterrez's comments originated with HRC's campaign.

If asking for FACTS to back up such an assertion is now considered to be "unprincipled", then I guess I am as unprincipled as one can be. And proud of it.

[djean111]

32. Hillary's past campaign performance has guaranteed that people will assume that

she is just up to her old tricks. That's HER problem, and all the snappy requests for links and examples cannot change that. The authoritarian approach does not work any more. No one has do do what anybody else says, unless, of course, they work for them. Fact of life.

[DanTex]

36. Actually, no, only people who already hate Hillary will assume that Clinton had

anything to do with this. Which won't make any difference because those people already hate her.

[djean111]

38. Why keep calling "disagreeing with her policies and politics" HATE? Is this a case

of manufacturing some sort of victim-hood? The hyperbole is getting ridiculous. She is a politician. Pure and simple. If you love her, that's nice. But not loving her is not the same as hating her. Or is any breath of criticism of her policies now construed as hate?

[DanTex]

41. People who just "disagree with her politics" won't care at all about what someone who

had nothing to do with her campaign said about Sanders. Only people who actually hate her.

[djean111]

43. No, you are incorrect. But I guess crying "HATE" empowers some people, or makes them

feel better. Again, the hyperbole really is starting to look silly and puerile. Hair on fire, heads exploding, haters, sounds like seventh grade.

[DanTex]

44. Actually, yes, I am correct. There is a difference between disagreement and hatred,

and one part of this difference is that crossing the line to hatred means letting go of reason.

And angrily blaming Hillary for something that someone not connected to her campaign says is crossing this line. As is claiming that a speech given 2 years ago about H1B visas amounts to addressing the immigration issue in a presidential campaign.

[MannyGoldstein]

33. 1. Gutiérrez bore false witness

2. It was done for Hillary Clinton
3. This is the game the Clinton crowd has historically played, whether there is a direct trail or not
4. The Clintons will not call for it to stop
5. The Clintons keep score, and settle scores: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/politics/20loyalty.html?_r=&referrer=

[Fumesucker]

48. Do you then consider it a fact that Sanders does not care about immigants?

That's what Gutierrez said, Sanders doesn't care about immigrants.

What some anonymous poster says on a website is much more important to correct than what a Congressman says on TV?

Ignore the mountain while desperately kicking at the molehill.

Look, we have a candidate who has been all over the map on policy and has made at least one truly horrendous decision and a candidate who has been highly consistent for three or four decades and voted against arguably the worst foreign policy decision in American history.

Yes, one of the candidates is a lot better known and has a lot more money but going just on the merits of consistency and actual policy one candidate is clearly better than the other.

I'm surrounded by conservative Republicans and I'm kind of flabbergasted myself at how receptive they have been when I show them actual clips of Sanders vs several other politicians both R&D that I have on my phone. DU is a good place to find relevant political clips on just about anyone significant.

I think Obama has broken the Presidential Mold to the extent that a Sanders could win. I do know from living in reddish area of a red red state that Hillary puts my neighbor's hair on end, they loathe her and would crawl on their lips through busted glass to vote against her.

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

71. Luis Guiterrez + Ready for Hillary = Clinton Supporter

http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/7/71/161658/luis-gutierrez-throws-his-support-behind-hillary-clinton-in-2016

There you go. Happy to help.

It will be 2008 all over again. Just that the foot in the mouth disease has become so prevalent, and it'll just crash and burn before fall.

[NanceGreggs]

74. So what?

My argument was never that he wasn't an HRC supporter. My argument was very simple: one shouldn't be making claims that his remarks were orchestrated or directed by the Clinton campaign when there is no evidence that that is the case.

This notion that every god-damned thing that happens is some part of a vast conspiracy by the Clintons is just plain silly.

[randys1]

77. There is an actual right wing conspiracy after the Clintons, it is also after everything that

makes America great.

Having said that, I have no doubt at all that he was directed to make statements, whether they wrote the statement for him or not, who knows.

But these type of things are almost never by accident or coming from left field.

[NanceGreggs]

78. Well, obviously ...

... a lot of people here "have no doubt" about all kinds of things.

I think facts should have some place in honest political discussion - and accusations shouldn't be made without facts to back them up.

That's all.

[randys1]

79. Yeah, as bad as I want Bernie to beat her, I want her to win if he doesnt.

but that is because I know what the other side wants to do to this country

[NanceGreggs]

81. I hear ya!

That's why all the sniping between "supporters" of candidates-of-choice is so ridiculously unproductive.

Whoever can beat the GOP nominee is, IMHO, the first and foremost consideration. If that's HRC, so be it - if that's Sanders, so be it - if that's O'Malley, so be it.

I'm in it to win it, and will support the nominee who is chosen when all is said and done.

[840high]

85. You're not the only one. At one

time I used to look forward to her posts. Not any more.

[Hiraeth]

54. I don't understand. How is it negative campaigning to point out

that someone else is negatively campaigning?

[Betty Karlson]

30. Some people are becoming worried

And their behaviour is rapidly becoming sub-par. How predictable.

[dembotoz]

34. Joys of the primary process... Although it is move fun when GOP beat each other up

[DanTex]

35. LOL. I guess you didn't actually watch that speech (from two years ago).

The whole thing is criticism of the H1B program, and about protecting American workers. Which is fine, but hardly qualifies him as being a passionate supporter of immigration.

[cali]

39. bullshit. and I just posted an op that demonstrates that

As for Hillary she supported cruel fucking deportation rules targeting children... until she "evolved". And she was against drivers licenses for undocumented workers until she "evolved". Phony as a 3 dollar bill. Hillary does what she does for political reasons- as can be clearly seen on issue after issue after issue.

[DanTex]

42. What part is bullshit? That the speech was about H1Bs? Or that it was from two years ago?

If Bernie thinks that giving a speech against H1Bs every two years is sufficient to address immigration reform, then, well, actually he's gonna lose anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter in the end.

[cascadiance]

63. How about Hillary SUPPORTING H-1Bs back in 2007 and AVOIDING it since then!

... as well as AVOIDING talking about how H-2B program also abused unskilled "guest workers" (aka indentured servants) as well. Since she doesn't give speeches about H-2B then we'll just assume that she likes importing slave labor in these programs to rebuild Katrina hurricane damage instead of hiring American workers needing jobs to do that. That and holding their passports, etc. hostage until the worked out their slave labor contracts to the point that there were lawsuits filed on this!

http://www.thenation.com/blog/198665/these-workers-came-overseas-help-rebuild-after-hurricane-katrina-and-were-treated-prison

Bernie is on record for being against H-2B exploitation. Is Hillary for or against it! If she supports foreign workers and immigrants so much more, shouldn't she be more WITH Bernie in not wanting them exploited along with American workers losing their jobs to this exploitive program?

[DanTex]

64. What does that have to do with the OP?

[cascadiance]

65. I think Bernie Sanders taking a stand against H-2B program workers getting ABUSED by this program...

... and Hillary not, though she SUPPORTS similarly abusive H-1B program explains how Bernie is more for those who want to move to this country not having to come here to work under "indentured servant" programs while Hillary supports such programs.

Hardly makes Bernie care LESS about immigrants' welfare than Hillary now does it?

[BeanMusical]

56. She had a good teacher in "evolution".

Bill Clinton signed DOMA and DADT but he suddenly "evolved" when it became convenient to do so.

[Jester Messiah]

37. Are we really surprised to see a slime trail behind the Hillary machine?

I mean come on, unless someone JUST fell off the turnip truck, they've seen this show before.

[Sancho]

40. FYI...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Gutiérrez

Luis Vicente Gutiérrez (born December 10, 1953) is an American politician and the U.S. Representative for Illinois's 4th congressional district, serving since 1993. Gutiérrez was the first Latino to be elected to Congress from the Midwest.[1] From 1986 until his election to Congress he served as a member of the Chicago City Council representing the 26th ward. He is a member of the Democratic Party and the Congressional Progressive Caucus. He is recognized as the "national leader on comprehensive immigration reform."[2] In the 113th Congress, with his 20 years of service, Gutiérrez became the longest serving member of the Illinois House delegation, and so is occasionally referred to as the unofficial "dean" of the delegation.[3][4]
Of Puerto Rican descent, he is a supporter of Puerto Rican independence, and the Vieques movement.[5] Gutiérrez is also an outspoken advocate of workers' rights, LGBT rights, gender equality, and other liberal and progressive causes.[6][7] Gutiérrez has been compared to civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr., due to both figures' use of non-violent civil disobedience in their advocacy for the equal rights of their communities.[8] In 2010 Frank Sharry of America's Voice, an immigration reform advocacy group, said of Gutiérrez: "He’s as close as the Latino community has to a Martin Luther King figure."[9] His supporters have given him the nickname El Gallito – the little fighting rooster – in reference to his fiery oratory and political prowess.[10]
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In February 2009, Gutiérrez introduced H.R. 1214, the "Payday Loan Reform Act of 2009," co-sponsored by other members of the House of Representatives, including members of the House leadership. H.R. 1214 would cap the annual percentage rate (APR) for payday loans at 391 percent in the 23 states where it is now allowed to exceed 391 percent.[27][28][29]
Gutiérrez was also a principal backer of the Dodd-Frank bill that created the United States Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.[13]
Immigration reform and immigrant rights[edit]
Gutiérrez has been called the "undisputed champion of immigration reform" and "Moses of the Latinos" due to his many years advocating for immigrant rights.[30] [31]
In his continued efforts to reform immigration Gutiérrez has participated in two acts of non-violent civil disobedience outside of the White House. The first took place on May 1, 2010, where, following a speech delivered to hundreds at Lafayette Park, Gutiérrez marched with protesters to the White House and refused to leave until Presidential action was taken on immigration reform or he was arrested. Many of the protesters who joined Gutiérrez had signs that called for a Presidential moratorium on deportation and criticized recent anti-immigrant legislation passed in Arizona – SB 1070. Gutiérrez also joined the protesters in criticizing Arizona Governor Jan Brewer's decision to sign the measure allowing racial profiling in the state-level enforcement of immigration laws.[32]
On July 26, 2011 in response to a record breaking one-million deportations under President Obama, and the President's continued refusal to stave deportations of DREAM Act eligible youth, Gutiérrez and eleven labor, faith, and civil rights leaders were arrested outside of the White House. A crowd of 2,500 came to support Gutiérrez and the eleven other leaders. A day before the arrest President Obama sent a letter to Gutiérrez in which he stated that he would continue his administration's deportation policy.[33]
In 2009 and again in 2011 Gutiérrez went on a nationwide tour in support of comprehensive immigration reform and a moratorium on the deportation of families. The tours have received widespread media attention and helped revive the nationwide discussion on immigration reform. Gutiérrez was the main speaker at the historic March 21, 2010 March for America rally at the capitol mall attended by over 200,000 people.[34]
Gutiérrez was the first elected official to sponsor a version of the DREAM Act – legislation to allow undocumented youth brought to the United States as minors a pathway to citizenship – in 2001.[13] In 2009 Gutiérrez introduced CIR-ASAP – Comprehensive Immigration Reform for America's Security and Prosperity Act – a bill to create a pathway to citizenship for non-criminal undocumented immigrants and improve border security. The bill received over 100 co-sponsors and was endorsed by members of the business community and organized labor unions, including the AFL-CIO, United Food and Commercial Workers and the Service Employees International Union.[35] He described the bill before a Washington DC rally:
My bill will promote fair immigration proceedings, humane treatment of immigration detainees, and policies that respect the tenet of community policing. No more raids in our community, no more separation of our families. Now, none of this works without a strong commitment to America’s labor force. None of it works without a strong commitment. So one of the tenets of our bill will be comprehensive immigration reform, has to mean—has to mean—to protecting all workers.
—Luis Gutiérrez, [36]
Following CIR-ASAP's defeat in the Congress, Gutiérrez has been a main backer of the DREAM Act in the House.[13]

[Autumn]

45. He served in the Progressive Caucus which Bernie founded

with Bernie Sanders for 17 years. And then has the gall to stand there and fucking lie. "We’ve got the socialist, uh I can’t remember his name. Bernie Sanders...

Add that to his little wiki. By the way your link is wrong. like Luis

[awoke_in_2003]

62. As blatantly obvious

As Rehm's badgering about dual citizenship

[99Forever]

46. The heart, soul, and ethical norm of Hillary Clinton supporters on public display.

No different than her last failed campaign. Disgusting.

[cali]

47. Clinton: Ethic free zone. I do not want to see Hillary and her crew in the White House

[Zorra]

51. Conservadems lie as shamelessly as republicans do. They can get caught lying,

have the indisputable facts shoved in their face, and will simply continue in the same lie as if the facts that totally prove that they are lying never existed.

[LondonReign2]

52. And then her supporters come on here and act dumb

fail to criticize the Rep., and make believe this wasn't the doing of the Clinton campaign.

[MannyGoldstein]

57. How is it not totally Manny's fault? nt

[LondonReign2]

61. It goes without saying that it's Manny's fault

The default assumption should be that it is totally Manny's fault. Only when it is explicitly stated that it is not Manny's can we assume otherwise, and even then we need to remain suspicious...

[MannyGoldstein]

70. I like the cut of your jib.

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

72. For every time a person says it's your fault, you should earn a nickel..

What, you're not a Republican yet?

[MisterP]

66. Sanders campaign style: 1. problem 2. solutions that have worked, here or elsewhere

Clinton campaign style:
1. galling and very, very false smears
2. avoiding press for nearly a month each time--perhaps even graduating to power-walking out of conferences if they ask about Libya
3. proxies promising that the skies will open and pour forth sherbert
4. advocates that say she's against fracking, Wall Street, and war because she's a Democrat--in fact, that she stands for
4A. advocates that quickly turn to screaming that the "far left" is really a tool of the GOP and that demanding anything from Clinton ever will leave the country a smoking ruin with women seeking abortion gassed
4B while paradoxically also saying that Clinton votes 96% of the time with Sanders and that complaining will prevent her from fulfilling your demands
5. when this all fails (somehow) don't change a thing and blame the voters: use the knout on the swine!

[Enthusiast]

69. Gutiérrez, we will remember you.

[Babel_17]

73. I found that repellant

That's the kind of attempt at sliming I might expect from a low level Republican operative, the kind that nobody claims as their own.

Sadly, this unacceptable disrespect came from one of our own, and one who eminently knows better.

Bernie Sanders is a United States Senator, running for the nomination of the Democratic party. Setting aside his years of fighting for the people that our party swears to represent, just show him the level of respect his position deserves.

This would be bad coming from a Republican. You know what, I think our party's chairperson should hear about this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee

I'm going to see how to contact her party office.

[Babel_17]

76. Here's the link to contact our party

http://my.democrats.org/page/s/contact-the-democrats

I just sent in my thoughts.

[haikugal]

82. Thanks for the link!

[marym625]

83. Not my favorite by a long shot