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cali

(114,904 posts)
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:38 AM Jun 2015

A Little Oppo Research: Luis Gutierrez, not only a liar but a crook

Rep. Luis Gutierrez will continue to be investigated by the House Ethics Committee regarding whether he broke House rules by keeping a staffer-turned-lobbyist working and paid by his congressional office—to the tune of more than $590,000 over 10 years, the panel's top leaders said Monday.

<snip>

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/rep-luis-gutierrez-s-house-ethics-investigation-will-continue-20140505

Rep. Gutierrez pays Chicago lobbyist with tax dollars

http://www.usatoday.com/news/

http://www.citizensforethics.org/pages/representative-luis-gutierrez-illinois

Congressman's $200,000 loan
U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez's loan from a developer who contributes to his campaign raises questions about how clout drives the city's zoning system
October 29, 2008|By Robert Becker, Todd Lighty and Dan Mihalopoulos, TRIBUNE REPORTERS and Tribune reporter Jeff Coen contributed to this report.

U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez personally lobbied Mayor Richard Daley to back a controversial multimillion-dollar development for a campaign contributor who had just lent the congressman $200,000 in a real estate deal, a Tribune investigation has found.

Now the congressman's unusual gesture of support is under federal scrutiny as authorities investigate how developers overcame city planners' objections to convert the West Side industrial site into a more profitable residential and commercial development.

<snip>

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-10-29/news/0810280603_1_rep-luis-gutierrez-commercial-development-real-estate


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/03/rep-gutierrezs-daughter-m_n_561015.html


and there's more. He lobbied for a huge amount of money from Paulsen to bail out a PR bank, The Banco Popular and failed to disclose his close ties- the bank donated big bucks to him and his wife had worked there in a senior position.

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A Little Oppo Research: Luis Gutierrez, not only a liar but a crook (Original Post) cali Jun 2015 OP
But but but... he's just a 'savvy businessman' dealing with other 'savvy businessmen' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #1
a super sleaze duping Democrats olddots Jun 2015 #2
Oh, he'll continue to last. cali Jun 2015 #4
Nah, the scum also rises Fumesucker Jun 2015 #8
Yeah but the man is such a progressive dontcha know. Autumn Jun 2015 #3
I'm shocked. Shocked. deutsey Jun 2015 #5
he's a perfect fit for the Clinton campaign cali Jun 2015 #6
He's not part of her campaign. Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #16
He's a high profile surrogate cali Jun 2015 #17
But he's not part of her campaign Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #18
You're deflecting. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #42
This^^^ Person 2713 Jun 2015 #58
Don't overexert yourself cali, it's a long and twisted road to the nomination Fumesucker Jun 2015 #7
He was my rep until about 2 yrs. ago. Yeah he's a corrupt douche. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2015 #9
Wish DUers would go after the Republicans the way they tear into Democrats. FSogol Jun 2015 #10
gad, I find that morally bankrupt. cali Jun 2015 #11
+a zillion truebluegreen Jun 2015 #57
That dog won't hunt. bluesbassman Jun 2015 #26
I used to have to say he same about the DLC, and they were a bigger fish JHB Jun 2015 #29
You're so right. All this love we give Lindsey Graham is shameful. valerief Jun 2015 #51
And don't forget all the love and affection Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #52
Oh, I get horny at just the thought of them. valerief Jun 2015 #53
He's a member of the Progressive Caucus and has opposed TPP and TPA and pampango Jun 2015 #12
He may not be all bad, but he's still a corrupt liar. cali Jun 2015 #13
Oh, you mean the Progressive Caucus that BERNIE helped found, and then this guy said he could not djean111 Jun 2015 #33
He also forgot what state O'Malley was governor of oberliner Jun 2015 #36
Is he in the beginning stages aspirant Jun 2015 #50
I'm still pondering the complex set of social biases both in the man and in the culture, which Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #14
If you asked 100 people who knew neither man's history dsc Jun 2015 #19
Those tea party clowns aren't massed on the Canadian border looking to shoot anyone from infant to MADem Jun 2015 #32
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #15
Opposition research. lol. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #20
The Clintons both have an ugly history when it comes to campaigns. cali Jun 2015 #21
This is an ugly attack on a good progressive. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #22
Tit for tat, eh? Fumesucker Jun 2015 #23
Yeah. Tit for tat is pretty childish. The manner it is done here is just as low as his comments were NCTraveler Jun 2015 #24
I'm not a high profile surrogate and I'm not lying cali Jun 2015 #25
I never said you were lying. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #27
Great find. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #41
Very transparent.. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #49
Yeah, "What was the outcome of Mr. Conways investigation?" FSogol Jun 2015 #44
"I would never trash a good progressive because I love Sanders..." MADem Jun 2015 #30
He's not a good progressive. cali Jun 2015 #37
And you're one of the first out of the gate to change that, I see... MADem Jun 2015 #31
interesting that you are more concerned about DU poster's than a dem rep surrogate for hillary cali Jun 2015 #35
There you go again! MADem Jun 2015 #39
The irony is enormous. MADem Jun 2015 #28
A crooked pol from Chicago?! KamaAina Jun 2015 #34
Digging dirt on Dems! Exactly what DU was intended for! Go cali! DanTex Jun 2015 #38
Do you only attack Democrats? Seems that way from here. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #40
no. I sure the fuck don't. do you only support corporate dems cali Jun 2015 #55
Second mocking attack on my name. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #59
would you rather have a PUB in that seat? circular firing squad! purity purge! Nader! would you MisterP Jun 2015 #43
Developer Democrats daredtowork Jun 2015 #45
Kick nt. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #46
Sounds like what's-his-name is in big trouble. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #47
yeah, that's why Bernie is drawing large enthusiastic crowds everywhere he goes cali Jun 2015 #54
Kick nt. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #48
With friends like us... dembotoz Jun 2015 #56
Kick for the weekday crowd. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #60
. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #61

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. But but but... he's just a 'savvy businessman' dealing with other 'savvy businessmen'
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:44 AM
Jun 2015

After all, don't we 'want the government to be run like a business'? And what better way then to simply hire the same people to be both business and government?

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
16. He's not part of her campaign.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:59 AM
Jun 2015

At least not that I'm aware of.

He's supports her for President.

What he said was stupid, but it's important to remain honest.

Trying to tie his statement directly to the Hillary campaign is a pretty big reach.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
18. But he's not part of her campaign
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:05 AM
Jun 2015

Hillary's campaign is not responsible for everything her supporters say.

You're reaching.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
42. You're deflecting.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:45 PM
Jun 2015

He's as much of her campaign now as were the following in 2008:

Andrew Cuomo who talked about Obama shucking and jiving, and

Billy Shaheen who questioned if Obama was once a drug dealer, and

Geraldine Ferraro who said Obama wouldn't be a contender if he was white, and

Sid Blumenthal who circulated racist emails about Obama, and

Bob Kerrey who wasn't sure Obama wasn't a Muslim, and

Clinton campaign workers who circulated emails casting doubt on Obama's birth certificate thereby starting the birther movement, and ....

We understand perfectly what's going on.

Wink. Wink. Nudge. Nudge.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
7. Don't overexert yourself cali, it's a long and twisted road to the nomination
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:06 AM
Jun 2015

I'm sure there will be more dirt than than ten thousand excavators can dig, I've enjoyed your postings lately and don't want you to Bern err.. burn out.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. gad, I find that morally bankrupt.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:15 AM
Jun 2015

I actually have less tolerance for corrupt politicians in my party than in the repuke party. I have no hope for the republican party. I don't want the democratic party to become even more corrupt and corporately indebted than it already is.

But hey, if you want to ignore it and pretend the dem party is flawless, go for it.

bluesbassman

(19,379 posts)
26. That dog won't hunt.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jun 2015

Repugs hardly get a pass here, are you seriously suggesting they do?

Furthermore, we SHOULD hold our elected officials to a higher standard. Graft and curruption is not something we should tolerate.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
51. You're so right. All this love we give Lindsey Graham is shameful.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jun 2015

We need a time out from all this GOP orgy love.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
52. And don't forget all the love and affection
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 11:13 AM
Jun 2015

Jebbie gets around here! Not to mention Walker, Christie, McConnell, Huckabee, Santorum, Ryan, Boehner, Cotton, et al-- they all get the kid glove treatment around here!

pampango

(24,692 posts)
12. He's a member of the Progressive Caucus and has opposed TPP and TPA and
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:19 AM
Jun 2015

supported immigration reform and many other progressive issues, so he is not all bad.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
33. Oh, you mean the Progressive Caucus that BERNIE helped found, and then this guy said he could not
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jun 2015

remember Bernie's name? The awkward nastiness of “We’ve got the socialist, uh I can’t remember his name. Bernie Sanders,” Gutierrez said." Well, to be kind, maybe he is losing his ability to remember names. Maybe too long in office or something.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
14. I'm still pondering the complex set of social biases both in the man and in the culture, which
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:46 AM
Jun 2015

allows Gutierrez, who is an American born to Americans, to wear some mantel of the Immigrant and insinuate that Bernie Sanders, son of an immigrant, does not care about immigrants. Gutierrez is posturing, and it really disgusted me.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
19. If you asked 100 people who knew neither man's history
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:14 AM
Jun 2015

which one was a first generation American and which one wasn't, I don't think a whole bunch would say Sanders was the first generation American. I would bet Rep. Gutierrez has been denegrated for his back round way more often than Sanders has. What Gutierrez said was stupid but to argue he has borne less of the downside of being an immigrant than Sanders has is nothing short of absurd.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. Those tea party clowns aren't massed on the Canadian border looking to shoot anyone from infant to
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jun 2015

geriatric trying to cross into America. It's not complex at all. The people being targeted are brown and Spanish-speaking, by and large. They are walking across deserts, not flying into LaGuardia and overstaying.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
20. Opposition research. lol.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:19 AM
Jun 2015

This will start a trend of attacking supporters of candidates by way of opposition research.

Opposed to the TPP. Great ideas on immigration reform. Well, damn near across the board excellent progressive. With respect to your first article dated a year ago, where they decided not to open a special investigation, was one ever opened? That was over a year ago.

You have started precedence with your opposition research here that you will not favor in the end. You will now have to in order to be consistent. Sorry about that.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
21. The Clintons both have an ugly history when it comes to campaigns.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:25 AM
Jun 2015

Bernie does not.

And hopefully, there aren't too many dem reps as slimy and corrupt as this shitstain. but hey. I'm sure you love the guy.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
22. This is an ugly attack on a good progressive.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jun 2015

You completely looked over a very important question. For good reason I am sure.

"slimy and corrupt as this shitstain" Nice.

"I'm sure you love the guy." I absolutely love so much of what he fights for everyday.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
24. Yeah. Tit for tat is pretty childish. The manner it is done here is just as low as his comments were
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:57 AM
Jun 2015

Really puts them at the same level. I absolutely love Sanders. I would never trash a good progressive because I love Sanders. Maybe you are all guns a blaze for this committee going after a good progressive. Can you tell me who the head of the committee is? Can you tell me if said person ever opened a special investigation?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
27. I never said you were lying.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:08 PM
Jun 2015

I do question your unwavering support and trust of Chairman Michael Conaway and his committee. You still have not answered the question. With respect to your op, did the right winger open a special investigation into the matter?

Here is the head of the committee that the op is using against a good progressive. It is directly stated in the article linked.

Chairman Michael Conaway, R-Texas

https://conaway.house.gov/

Here is a part of his bio

"As a Christian, I believe that God knows us and fills us with life at the moment we are conceived. I am a strong supporter of the right to life and am committed to protecting the lives of all people, especially those unable to protect themselves.

Access to health services for low-income women is an important goal, and it is one that can be realized without supporting a practice that many Americans find morally repugnant. I will continue to support legislation that restricts the federal funding of abortion facilities and organizations that provide abortions."

This is the head of the committee you are using to attack a good progressive. I have seen this before against progressives. The person you are attacking, with the help of a right winger, is excellent on immigration reform and a whole host of progressive issues. Those opposed to progress make it their goal to marginalize such people at all costs. You have gone as far as to give merit to Michael Conway in order to do so. I went no further than the first link in your op. It is a right wing hit job. It is the only way to view it. You are using a committee, headed up by the republicans, to smear a good progressive.

Said article is over a year old. What was the outcome of Mr. Conways investigation?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
49. Very transparent..
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 09:08 AM
Jun 2015

One cannot attack in this manner for this long without slipping up as was done here. This isn't the first time.

FSogol

(45,527 posts)
44. Yeah, "What was the outcome of Mr. Conways investigation?"
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:05 PM
Jun 2015

crickets....

Maybe Drudge or Alex Jones have some good smears for tomorrow?


 

cali

(114,904 posts)
37. He's not a good progressive.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:14 PM
Jun 2015

He may support some progressive issues but he's still a disgustingly corrupt liar.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. And you're one of the first out of the gate to change that, I see...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:17 PM
Jun 2015

You haven't covered yourself in glory, here. I doubt Sanders would approve of what you're doing one bit. You'd do well to just shut this mess down.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
35. interesting that you are more concerned about DU poster's than a dem rep surrogate for hillary
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:12 PM
Jun 2015

lying and smearing.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. The irony is enormous.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:11 PM
Jun 2015

An unfortunate choice of words,that!

I guess we're getting a close-up view of the "anything to win" mindset.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
55. no. I sure the fuck don't. do you only support corporate dems
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 11:20 AM
Jun 2015

And lying corrupt shitstain dems, your majesty? Seems you do from here, kingy

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
43. would you rather have a PUB in that seat? circular firing squad! purity purge! Nader! would you
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:46 PM
Jun 2015

rather have a PUB in that seat? circular firing squad! purity purge! Nader! would you rather have a PUB in that seat? circular firing squad! purity purge! Nader! would you rather have a PUB in that seat? circular firing squad! purity purge! Nader! would you rather have a PUB in that seat? circular firing squad! purity purge! Nader! would you rather have a PUB in that seat? circular firing squad! purity purge! Nader!

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
45. Developer Democrats
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jun 2015

Just discovered that term.

They need to go down.

They are predators who realized that a big chunk of the traditional Dem base are economically deprived "social/economic" Democrats who put "housing" at the top of their priority list. Also, since 2008, quantitative easing has made construction, development, and speculation a primary driver of the economy - at the expense of tenants and people who need stable/affordable housing. Enter the Development Democrats.

Development Democrats get votes by promising constituents "housing". Then they make money in all sorts of backroom deals with real estate developers, investment funds, people who are trying to raid HUD, construction-related unions, lobbyists for all of the above...and they think they are all winning and savvy because they are making a ton of money and that somehow all their ruinous activities do result in "housing" (though it tends to result in housing for wealthy people - but that's all well and good since they pay higher taxes and fill City coffers anyway). Yes, Development Democrats are all about the American Dream - it's just they have the gall to be redefining that Dream to the white male libertarian wet dream of a supply-and-demand model that proposes to eviscerate all remaining public space and monetize the very air we breathe.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
60. Kick for the weekday crowd.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 06:50 AM
Jun 2015

The right has a clear pattern of going after great progressives in this manner. Please click the first link in this op an see a witch hunt by a right winger. When progressives show success the righ will stoop to any level.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
61. .
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:48 PM
Feb 2016
A Little Oppo Research: Luis Gutierrez, not only a liar but a crook




Rep. Luis Gutierrez will continue to be investigated by the House Ethics Committee regarding whether he broke House rules by keeping a staffer-turned-lobbyist working and paid by his congressional office—to the tune of more than $590,000 over 10 years, the panel's top leaders said Monday.

<snip>

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/rep-luis-gutierrez-s-house-ethics-investigation-will-continue-20140505

Rep. Gutierrez pays Chicago lobbyist with tax dollars

http://www.usatoday.com/news/

http://www.citizensforethics.org/pages/representative-luis-gutierrez-illinois

Congressman's $200,000 loan
U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez's loan from a developer who contributes to his campaign raises questions about how clout drives the city's zoning system
October 29, 2008|By Robert Becker, Todd Lighty and Dan Mihalopoulos, TRIBUNE REPORTERS and Tribune reporter Jeff Coen contributed to this report.

U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez personally lobbied Mayor Richard Daley to back a controversial multimillion-dollar development for a campaign contributor who had just lent the congressman $200,000 in a real estate deal, a Tribune investigation has found.

Now the congressman's unusual gesture of support is under federal scrutiny as authorities investigate how developers overcame city planners' objections to convert the West Side industrial site into a more profitable residential and commercial development.

<snip>

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-10-29/news/0810280603_1_rep-luis-gutierrez-commercial-development-real-estate


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/03/rep-gutierrezs-daughter-m_n_561015.html


and there's more. He lobbied for a huge amount of money from Paulsen to bail out a PR bank, The Banco Popular and failed to disclose his close ties- the bank donated big bucks to him and his wife had worked there in a senior position.
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