dear fellow Bernie supporters, I have a request

[cali]

It would be great if not a single one of us pissed on the celebratory Clinton kick off rally threads tomorrow. It was a drag when some Clinton supporters did that in Bernie kickoff threads, though it should be noted that most Clinton supporters did not.

Tomorrow will be a great day for Clinton's DU supporters and they shouldn't have to deal with people pissing on those threads.

Edited to add: I am not suggesting that there shouldn't be other threads discussing and critiquing what she says in her speech, just that folks don't jump into celebratory threads to piss on them.

[arcane1]

1. I couldn't agree more. This event has nothing to do with policy differences.

The High Road is the road to take

[PowerToThePeople]

2. I will likely stay out of the convo

By trash-canning all HRC related threads as they appear.

I have already trashed several today.

I do not care to piss in the pool.

[still_one]

3. Good for you, and that is the way it should be on all sides.

[bluesbassman]

4. Good call cali.

I hope they all enjoy themselves and it's a great day!

[alboe]

5. We're all Democratic supporters

And so we should all be supporting each other. I completely agree.

[R. P. McMurphy]

7. ^^THIS^^

[AtomicKitten]

6. Agreed.

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

8. I'll just trash "Clinton" for the day tomorrow.

Less stuff to worry about.

Got my poker game tomorrow, less stuff to worry about.

[L0oniX]

12. ^^^this^^^

[MissDeeds]

64. I'll stay off DU tomorrow

No need to sweat the small stuff.

[onethatcares]

9. agreed

it's better to have 2 or 4 differing opinions from our candidates, no matter what those differences may be.

[hifiguy]

10. Won't say a word.

Good idea, cali, and thanks for reminding us.

[cali]

27. thanks, hifi

[edgineered]

11. If the shellback ceremony is tomorrow,

that makes tonight wog night!

It's Navy tradition, see here:

http://www.veteransunited.com/network/the-navys-line-crossing-ceremony-revealed/

On wog night any known shellbacks get hazed, so to speak, but the shellbacks make a special case out of any participating wogs the next day. One must be very discrete on wog night.

[The River]

42. Crossed the Equator 3x

It's like a messy fraternity initiation without the beer.
Just about to head out for an evening kayak cruise.
No one dares to question this Shellback when I'm on the water.

[edgineered]

49. That thar makes ya one crusty squid - quaff a grog, and cheers! nt

[kacekwl]

13. Agree

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. I intend to run my procedural piece

after I come home from lunch with family at the paper. Post it here? Not if you pay me.

A lot of what we run, you could not, that said, it is a good idea to be applied to ALL launches, not just hers.

[djean111]

21. "a good idea to be applied to ALL launches, not just hers." little late for that, eh?

Anyway, just filtering out Hillary, Clinton, and HRC will do the trick.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. I could care less who wins the nomination

so really, wrong tree to bark at

[djean111]

25. Sorry, wasn't barking at you, just maybe barking a laugh because this would have

been a great idea for all of the candidates. I apologize, profusely.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. No problem

[bemildred]

15. I'm with you. nt

[LiberalElite]

16. I'm not even

going to look at them out of self-preservation. I'll get too aggravated.

[MrMickeysMom]

17. I agree, too, cali...

What is it that our parents said, again? It's all fun and games until somebody takes a dump in the pool. We can play nice and say what we need without trashing the other candidate.

[whatchamacallit]

18. I agree, but...

if there are negative Bernie threads started by enraptured Hillary supporters tomorrow, I can't promise to stay out of them.

[TheKentuckian]

19. The walls in my apartment are painted so I'd rather watch them continue to dry

I'm pretty sure since it was before I moved in that it is pretty far along but it still figures to more exciting and inspiring for me so no problem.

[RufusTFirefly]

20. Excellent idea! Our disagreements should be on policy, not lavish spectacles

I'd rather brave Bosnian sniper fire than rain on the parade of Hillary's supporters. Instead, I'll just "listen."

[heaven05]

111. +

only policy and record

[octoberlib]

22. K&R!

[Duval]

23. Agree, it's a good idea. nt

[beam me up scottie]

28. Never crashed their parties before and won't start now.

Also staying away from the flame bait re: call-outs of Sanders supporters.

Rec'd.

[heaven05]

112. +

[cascadiance]

29. Sounds good to me! About the only thing I might comment on...

... is if she takes a strong stand on TPP and TPA in her speech then. Then I'll give her CREDIT for doing so, whatever side she takes, though later in the coming weeks I might critique it if I find the stance flawed. Her not making her position clear is the biggest concern for me, and I would welcome a firmer stance, no matter how nuanced it might be if and when she does. It would be an appropriate time for her to do so.

[jalan48]

31. I totally agree.

It's a big day for Hillary and her supporters, let them celebrate it.

[Cheese Sandwich]

32. I would like to see fair, honest criticism of her speech while in progress and immediately after.

Nobody should be rude, but the most important time to analyze (and spin) is right after the speech ends.

For example, if she talks in her speech about how she wants to fight ISIS, it is totally fair to point out immediately that ISIS resulted from the Iraq war that she supported.

If she talks about protecting the environment, it would be correct to point out her connections to promoting Keystone pipeline and fracking.

I think people should politely but thoroughly criticize her speech while it is happening, and right after it ends.

[cali]

36. that's a different matter, don't you think

Starting a thread to discuss and critique her speech is not the same thing as jumping into Hillary supporters celebration threads.

[Cheese Sandwich]

40. Sure those are different things.

Actually thanks for mentioning that.

And you mentioned that in the main post. But throughout the comments some people are interpreting it as don't say anything negative about Hillary's event or speech at all tomorrow.

[Ed Suspicious]

34. Done.

[BeanMusical]

35. That's a good idea.

[Alkene]

37. Sounds good. n/t

[Mbrow]

38. K&R

Good thought!

[MuseRider]

39. Agreed.

I am so thrilled with Bernie that I just don't understand all the silly stuff. I have never been this content to support someone. Long shot or not I just think once people hear him they will be supportive.

[Blue_In_AK]

41. I'll be working in my garden.

[truebrit71]

43. Totally agree.

Besides I'll be busy watching the 24 hour race from Le Mans tomorrow....

[rhett o rick]

114. I tape it and watch it in two hours without the commercials.

Just kidding. I love that race.

[truebrit71]

117. Been a great race so far!

[Dustlawyer]

44. I am all for talking issues and don't like the childish

low blows like pantsuit or fly away hair and much, much worse.

[Paka]

45. Absolutely agree.

They are entitled to have their party without us crashing it.

[bullwinkle428]

46. Happy to K&R this, along with a promise to honor that request.

[cali]

61. thanks so much

[Doctor_J]

47. well, there will be at least fifty threads on it tomorrow, all with close to a hundred rec

so truthfully there won't be much else on the boards. I'm game for staying away. It will soon be Hillary Underground anyway.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

48. No problem.

[zeemike]

50. You got it from me.

I skip those post altogether anyway...no point in wasting my time on it.
Besides I find it kind of embarrassing to read...like reading a fan site for a celeb.

[rbnyc]

51. Agrred

There are plenty of more appropriate venues for discussing concerns about HRC and her candidacy.

[secondwind]

52. good idea.. I agree

[Quixote1818]

53. I like both candidates, just like Bernie more. nt

[Kalidurga]

54. I have no problem with this.

Talking about Hillary is not my priority. I couldn't care less. As a rule I don't go to pro Hillary threads, I have no reason to.

[fredamae]

55. I truly hope it goes

very well and is well attended. I simply want real debates about real issues.....from all of them.

[Thespian2]

56. Yep

No need for that kind of rhetoric...

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

57. Agree 100%. I'm not interested in pooping in anybody's cornflakes.

[calimary]

58. THANK YOU!!!!!

This Hillary supporter - who is MORE than happy and MORE than ready to throw my heart and all my support to Bernie Sanders if he gets the nomination - appreciates it.

A very kind, generous, and compassionate post, cali. It's been a little - um - shall we say - ANNOYING around here lately!

[cali]

60. you're welcome. have fun

[Bonobo]

59. Sanders supporters are doing an admirable job but it will not be noticed.

It is easy to notice criticism or bashing as they call it.

It is less easy to notice the lack of it.

[nxylas]

110. Yes, most Sanders supporters have done as Cali asked

But the few that haven't will give the rest a bad name nonetheless.

[LWolf]

62. I can do that. nt

[SusanCalvin]

63. Good general principle. nt

[jwirr]

65. Absolutely agree. I'm in.

[kenfrequed]

66. Just ignore the whole event.

Seriously, if we just ignore it the posts celebrating Hillary's coronation will sink very quickly.

[marym625]

67. I agree. great post

[Jamastiene]

68. I will behave.

It will be easy for me, because while I prefer Bernie Sanders, I don't have a whole lot of animosity toward Hillary Clinton either. I do disagree with a few things, but meh, it's only worth mentioning specific issues in the specific issues threads. Otherwise, it's kind of off topic.

[world wide wally]

69. We hang together or we hang separately...

I would rather be with friends and stick together though this regardless of who is our nominee

[calimary]

105. Best reminder on this thread.

One way or another, one candidate or another (says she who likes them both), we ALL have to win this - AND the White House - TOGETHER.

[Babel_17]

70. "d'accord" :) nt

[Lunabell]

71. IKR

We can be civil and disagree at the same time.

[humbled_opinion]

72. Absolutely no hate here....

However, I think it would serve Hillary Clinton to maybe mention Senator Sanders as somebody who she could easily put on her ticket as a VP candidate it certainly would go a long way in convincing me that she is actually listening to the people that she needs to vote for her as President.

[navarth]

89. now that is an interesting post. nt

[calimary]

106. That's a scathingly brilliant idea!

God would we kill it on Election Day!!! Clinton/Sanders. We'd win in a walk!

[GoneOffShore]

107. I'd rather see it the other way around Sanders/Clinton

That would get some traction.

[Roy Rolling]

73. Just makes sense

What is the point of trashing HRC about her announcement celebration? Unless someone has a problem with the decoration or production, criticism or bringing up contentious ideological issues is simply out of place.

[morningfog]

74. It all depends on what she says and on what's posted here.

That's just how it is. I have no intention to spoil their fun. We'll see what comes if it all. I hope for a celebratory day.

[ibegurpard]

75. I'm simply not interested

Glad she's focused on voting rights though. That's a good thing. For real.

[Kingofalldems]

77. Any links on that?

I haven't seen any threads even close to the ones attacking Hillary. And I for one would not participate in any thread bashing loyal Democrats. Would you?

[cali]

80. yes there are links. search under Bernie kickoff

I can't I'm on my cheapo tablet. As a matter of fact one ardent hillary supporter was so bad on one of the announcement threads she earned a timeout. And you might consider that we see what we want to see.

[Autumn]

78. Excellent idea. If someone wants to talk about an aspect of her speech then that should be done

in a separate thread. It's an important occasion to her supporters. Personally I would like to see the Bernie supporters not arguing with the Hillary supporters in any of their threads. They won't change our minds and we won't change theirs.

[stage left]

79. I won't rain on anyone's parade.

I mean, what would Bernie do?

[Mother Of Four]

81. Recced

I will not pee in a single bowl of cheerios...or a pool

[TM99]

82. I am in agreement.

And frankly I don't care about her kick-off celebration per se.

I will be reading the transcript of her speech. That I will certainly criticize as I know it will contain much that will need criticizing.

So it sounds like all of us are on the same page. Strange since I just read today that we Sanders supporters do nothing but piss on HRC and her supporters and this reflects poorly on our candidate.

[nolabear]

83. Thank you! I'd like to be able to share it here.

I'm so excited!

[cali]

86. I'm sure it will be a great day

[Vincardog]

84. I promise not to go to the HCR room and piss.

[Half-Century Man]

85. Petty squables here do not help us present a unifed message IRL.

[navarth]

87. Acting with class is the best way to represent Bernie IMO.

I personally have no plans to piss on any Hillary thread at any time and I can't think of any reason offhand why I would want to. That doesn't mean I won't question a candidate's motives and his/her record. I just don't see a lot of benefit in being a dick about it.

But that's just me. Good thread.

[yuiyoshida]

88. I have never pissed on anyone's threads

ever...

[olddots]

90. I will behave I promiss

but its hard for me to not get ignored for a whole day

[nirvana555]

91. Excellent. Thanks for the post, Cali. N/T

[valerief]

92. I'm sure none of the grown-ups plan to do that. For those who do, we can put them on our Ignores. nt

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[Enthusiast]

93. Right you are, cali.

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[BlueMTexpat]

94. Thank you, cali! eom

[corkhead]

95. wasn't planning to anyway, its not how I roll.

[99Forever]

96. Absolutely.

Let them have their moment.

[hootinholler]

97. One caveat

If the Hillary supporters start shitting on Bernie, the gloves will come off.

[Zorra]

98. Recommend. nt

[dorkzilla]

99. Since Bernie won’t take the bait and bash Hilary to the press, neither will I

Besides, it’s not my style, nor do I find Mrs. Clinton repulsive or evil (she also lives in the next town over from me--not that that means anything except the local Hilary fever that seems to be hitting this particular corner of Northern Westchester County).


I think Bernie, even if he doesn’t win in the primary, is going to force a conversation politicians don’t want to have about income inequality etc, so I feel like Bernie and the American public win either way.

If Mrs. Clinton wins the primary and is our candidate, I will support her.

But Bernie is MY guy. I love his way of thinking, his frankness, his fairness and this kid from the Bronx also loves his accent. It sounds like home. I really need to hear him say “terlet” for it to feel like all my old long-gone neighbors are speaking, but I don’t think he’ll have many occasions to do so.

[calimary]

109. Wonderful post, dorkzilla!

Really superb! Thank you!

I couldn't agree more! We all win even NOW because Bernie is showing himself to be a real class act and not taking any let's-go-bash-Hillary bait. Better yet - he is doing what many of us have longed to see for ages: talking progressive issues big-time, and getting them plastered all over the air/cable and the front pages. He's helping to push America more firmly and decisively to the LEFT!!

[daleanime]

100. K&R.....

Agreed.

[karynnj]

101. I couldn't agree more

This is an event that should be seen as celebratory. You are right that there will be plenty of issue threads where anyone should be able to respond.

On some other day, it might be good to try to engage with the broader DU population to try to speak to what is bashing, what it is genuine discussion of an issue. To me, I've seen some on the Clinton side arguing that ANY comment that is the least bit critical or even neutral on HRC is an unfair attack -- and the poster I was going back and forth with was arguing that there was no comparable "attack" by them on Sanders. I pointed to comments on the Sanders' kick off -- but never got him(her ?) to admit that they were negative and insensitive.

I am so happy you are making an appeal that all of us refrain from any negative comments.

This event should have some awesome views of Manhattan from the island and the park itself. The theme of FDR should be interesting and it is sad that, given the 4 freedoms were articulated so long ago by a President who was so popular, that they are still not reality. (By the way, Hunter College owns the NYC townhouse that the young Franklin and Eleanor were given by his mother on the upper east side of NYC and their tours of the home are very interesting. My husband and I went to it earlier this year.)

This event, like Bernie's was, is designed to define the campaign. Both have amazing backdrops that mean a lot to the candidates. This should be a great day for the HRC and her supporters and it should be. Many have waited for a long time for this event.

[tosh]

102. I promise!

[d_legendary1]

103. Never understood why some people like peeing on other people's parades

They wanna have fun, then let'em.

[Cooley Hurd]

104. Thank you, my friend!

Passion for one's candidate is understandable, but respect for other's candidate is essential.

[GoneOffShore]

108. Mea Culpa for my little dig yesterday on the

What to take to the rally thread.

Someone posted "Water".

I added Kool-Aid.

Self

[katmille]

113. Thanks, I think all the grownups out there will agree

I like Senator Bernie Sanders, but I'm cheering for Hillary to win the nomination and win the presidency. I truly believe she will take the Senator along with Senator Warren seriously, seek their input and run a progressive campaign that will make Dems proud. Truth be told, I am more of a Warren woman. A 75-year-old white-haired (don't color my hair) white woman who lives in Texas (sorry) who voted Liberal Dem in 14 presidential elections, as well as dozens of other elections, state and local. And Elizabeth Warren's message really resonates with my beliefs; however, she's not running and it's important we band together, work together to put another Democrat in the White House and at the same time take care of our own state and local houses!

[rhett o rick]

115. I agree. nm

[stevenleser]

116. This went by the wayside before her speech even began. nt

[brooklynite]

118. Remember in WW1 when the Germans and English declared an impromptu Christmas truce?

I'd say Christmas never showed up...

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