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KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 07:32 PM Feb 2021

Reminder: Avoid frozen and burst water pipes and huge plumbing bills.

Just a reminder for everyone to consider letting one of your faucets drip during this long cold snap. In Kentucky, we're predicted to have below freezing weather all through this week, with the worst on Tuesday night. Especially if you have pipes under your house, it's best to use the faucet furthest from where your water service enters your home.

For many years, I place a bucket under our bathtub faucet and adjust the cold tap for a very slow drip (double-checking it periodically) and it does the trick. The purpose of the bucket is so I can see the drip rate easily. Our water likes to freeze out in the meter pit first so I also started placing a garbage can lid over the meter cover with a brick on it to insure it doesn't blow away.

It takes time for the ground to freeze to buried pipe depth but the process is sped up by wind and lower temperatures.

Don't forget to run your cars a bit more often in this cold, as extreme temperatures are hard on weak batteries. Always watch your car's temperature as is heats up so you can shut it off quickly in case there's an ice plug in the cooling system.

This is the voice of one who learned all these things the hard way, LOL........

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Reminder: Avoid frozen and burst water pipes and huge plumbing bills. (Original Post) KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2021 OP
Thank you..... for reminder/tips magicarpet Feb 2021 #1
Chicago here - I try to tell people it wont be so bad if you do a few things . All good advice lunasun Feb 2021 #2
And if there's any chance water could stop running, drinking water's Hortensis Feb 2021 #3
Shallow pipes or crawl space? NutmegYankee Feb 2021 #4
Water service pipes are buried deeper up North. KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2021 #5
The insulation isn't always great up here. NutmegYankee Feb 2021 #7
Sometimes even a drip is not enough csziggy Feb 2021 #13
OMG!! What a mess!!! What a story... LeftInTX Feb 2021 #15
AS far as we could tell the undergroun pipes on the farm all froze csziggy Feb 2021 #17
Err on the side of caution! Blue Owl Feb 2021 #6
Agree. Having half your front yard dug up in the dead of winter is no fun. KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2021 #8
I will give you an long-winded anecdote about freezing pipes. Chainfire Feb 2021 #9
My grandmother was on a pier and beam slab in Tallahasse during that time LeftInTX Feb 2021 #16
Kick to help more people. KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2021 #10
And Again ProfessorGAC Feb 2021 #12
Another kick for the info. crickets Feb 2021 #11
Heat tape for water lines. roamer65 Feb 2021 #14
You should also run hot AND cold water Horse with no Name Feb 2021 #18

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
2. Chicago here - I try to tell people it wont be so bad if you do a few things . All good advice
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 07:40 PM
Feb 2021

Don't learn the hard way!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. And if there's any chance water could stop running, drinking water's
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 07:41 PM
Feb 2021

obvious, but also store tap water for the toilet tank. Also plastic bags to place under toilet seats to catch waste in case the worst comes about. The actual worst case is family continuing to use before realizing the water isn't coming back on, possibly for days.

Both our places are rural and on wells, so we always have bottles of water ready for what happens all too often.

As said, don't learn the hard way. Learning by personal experience is the worst!

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
4. Shallow pipes or crawl space?
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 07:53 PM
Feb 2021

I live in New England and have never had to take such precautions, even when it is a sustained -10°F or so outside. My house was built in 1961 with a full basement to protect the pipes and no plumbing is run in an outside wall. The kitchen sink lines actually run through the cabinet below rather than in the wall. The only plumbing that penetrates an outside wall uses the freeze proof faucets required by code up here.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
5. Water service pipes are buried deeper up North.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:14 PM
Feb 2021

Last edited Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:46 PM - Edit history (1)

It's the Southerners that have to worry where pipes are only 3 or 4-ft. deep. That's who I was aiming the post toward because this Arctic blast is unusually to the South and for long enough duration for the ground to freeze quite deep.

I recall traveling to service jobs up North and had never seen homes with "skirts" around their foundations....

At least around here, that faucet you posted a photo of is called a wall hydrant because it functions just like a fire hydrant!

A lot of homes here (North-central KY) have crawl spaces like mine and are poorly insulated. Most were built before energy efficiency became a huge deal and electricity and natural gas are fairly cheap here.

KY

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
7. The insulation isn't always great up here.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:58 PM
Feb 2021

The Northeast has the oldest average housing stock in the USA. My house was built in 1961 and could really use some improved insulation. The electric and natural gas prices are outrageous, but 80% furnaces are still the norm. I did luck out on natural gas. Most of the region is heating oil or propane. And about 10% use wood, running wood fired central furnaces as well as cast iron stoves. Thankfully this region has trees everywhere. And I mean, Everywhere!

I'm not familiar with foundation skirts. Most homes have full basements and you see the house sitting on the upper 2-3 feet of the basement concrete wall. Basements are a necessity to ensure the service lines can come in well below the 4 foot minimum depth and serves to protect the rest of the plumbing that would be exposed in a crawl space. It also is convenient to keep the rest of the house smaller in size to reduce heating/cooling/taxes since the basement area is not taxed. The 840 sqft down there drops to about 55°F at the lowest in winter, but that's still tolerable.

Now banking on climate change, I did install central AC using the existing gas furnace network. It's not perfect since the ducting was designed for heating and I lack a proper high air return, but it made the last few summers quite comfortable. I'm slowly seeing neighbors who never used AC (even window units) give in. It was once a freak occurrence to have a night with a low in the 70s. Now it can go on for stretches of a week or more.

csziggy

(34,135 posts)
13. Sometimes even a drip is not enough
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 05:16 PM
Feb 2021

I live near Tallahassee, Florida. In 1989, there were forecasts for extremely cold weather on Christmas Day. We had gone down state to spend Christmas with my parents, but we drained the overhead pipes in the barns, made sure the water troughs were full and left an outside spigot at the house running slightly.

We ended up driving home on Christmas Day after a panicked call from the people who were taking care of the horses. It had gotten down to 8 F and they just couldn't deal with it. The water troughs (big concrete things) were frozen solid and they couldn't get any water for the horses.

When we got home, the well was frozen solid. We chopped holes in the thick ice - it was 'only' 6-8" thick, not solid - and dipped out water for the horses. Our dog had pulled the big supply vent loose from the house and was toasty with all the heat that was meant to go into the house keeping him warm. It was 40 F inside the house and dropping. We spent the night at a motel with heat and water.

The paved roads were not designed for that kind of cold. Chunks of asphalt had popped up and left big potholes all over.

Florida should never have that kind of cold - ever. With global climate change we may not - or it may destabilize the systems enough to bring it to us.

LeftInTX

(25,224 posts)
15. OMG!! What a mess!!! What a story...
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 06:15 PM
Feb 2021

We didn't have problems with freezing pipes in 1989 because we're in an urban area on a slab. (San Antonio was 6 degrees during that freeze)

My son's pipes froze last night..(I don't know what happened and if didn't keep his faucets running overnight)....He's on a pier and beam foundation in a 100 year old home.

csziggy

(34,135 posts)
17. AS far as we could tell the undergroun pipes on the farm all froze
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 07:00 PM
Feb 2021

They're buried about 3 feet deep but the well is unprotected. Here water comes out of the aquifer at 67 F so maybe if we'd left the water running faster, the pipes wouldn't have frozen.

We were lucky - it warmed up pretty fast so it only took a few days to thaw all the pipes out. Fortunately, we had galvanized pipes for most of the pipes - even the one we left running wasn't damaged once it thawed out, though there was a frozen stream all the way down the hill.

This house is fine - the pipes are underground and under the slab. They come up inside the ICF outer walls so if they freeze, we'll freeze. I guess I should figure out a good way to insulate the well and the well tank but in the over forty years we've lived here that is the only time it's fozen.

Blue Owl

(50,347 posts)
6. Err on the side of caution!
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 08:22 PM
Feb 2021

Like the other have said -- DON'T LEARN THE HARD WAY! Unless of course you want a huge mess and to spend a giant chunk of money....

Chainfire

(17,526 posts)
9. I will give you an long-winded anecdote about freezing pipes.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:36 PM
Feb 2021

Here in North Florida, in the late 70s we had a really cold winter. We had several days with temps in the ten degree range. At the time I was a plumber who was working with his tools. Of course, damn near everything in Tallahassee froze, bursting pipes like crazy.

I went to one house, in the suburbs, that had enough broken pipes for it to take me seven hours to fix. I got everything back online, and before leaving, I had a chat with the owner. It went something like this, "It is going to be as cold tonight as it was last night. You can avoid it freezing up again if you will leave the water in the two tubs at opposite ends of the house dripping." I then and showed him where and how much.

The next morning, I was dispatched to the same man's house again. Everything that I had fixed had frozen and split again. I spent another seven or so hours doing all of the repairs. When I finished, I had the same speech with him about leaving the faucets dripping, to which he replied, "Well, running that water cost a lot of money." I told him with a smug smile, "I will see you tomorrow."

If he thought that water was expensive, I would have loved to see his face when he was billed for 14 hours of a plumber and helper.

The idea, in areas that have pipes that are exposed to the weather, is to keep enough 60 degree water from under the streets flowing through the system to keep the piping system above 32 degrees. You folks in the North don't have to worry about it because your building codes and plumbers put it in with sub-freezing temps in mind. I suspect your worst plumbing danger is if you lose heat in the house, and it got below freezing inside, then you would need to resort to the Southern dripping strategy.

LeftInTX

(25,224 posts)
16. My grandmother was on a pier and beam slab in Tallahasse during that time
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 06:21 PM
Feb 2021

Didn't hear about this though...

My son is on a pier and beam slab here in San Antonio. His pipes froze last night...Did he forget to turn on the faucets? He got them working again without them bursting, but still....

I'll call him after I finish my outdoor work this afternoon.

I'm dealing with melting snow and a hard freeze tonight...Gotta remove any wet blankets and replace with dry.

ProfessorGAC

(64,989 posts)
12. And Again
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 05:09 PM
Feb 2021

Good advice.
We've only got one at risk line.
I took a novel approach to mitigating the concern.
Even here in NE Illinois, it's only a concern with successive days of single digits or lower. Like we've had the last 10 days or so.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
14. Heat tape for water lines.
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 05:38 PM
Feb 2021

If you can have some of it run it’s a big plus.

I have a double wide in a park in Michigan. Since I had new heat tape for the water lines done, I haven’t had a freeze yet. The house itself is built to Canadian standards as well. That helps too.

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