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marmar

(77,080 posts)
Mon May 14, 2012, 08:36 AM May 2012

9 Nasty Truths About The Meals You Eat


from Civil Eats:



9 Nasty Truths About The Meals You Eat

May 11th, 2012
By Martha Rosenberg


Thanks to factory farming’s massive economies of scale, a lot of food today is either disgusting or cruel or disgusting and cruel. Just when people stopped talking about cantaloupes with deadly listeria, “pink slime” hit the news. And just when people stopped talking about pink slime, ground beef treated with ammonia to kill germs, mad cow hit the news. Does anyone even remember the arsenic in the fruit juice?

Food scandals are so costly to Big Food, it has repeatedly tried to kill the messenger rather than clean up its act. In the 1990s it pushed through “food disparagement” laws under which Oprah Winfrey herself was sued by cattlemen in 1997 (Winfrey said she would never eat a hamburger again upon learning that cows were being fed to cows). Winfrey was acquitted and cow cannibalism was made illegal but the US still lost $3 billion in beef exports when a first mad cow was discovered in 2003. April’s new mad cow will not help foreign trade.

Last year, Big Food introduced Animal Facility Interference laws in several states which make it a crime to “produce, distribute or possess photos and video taken without permission at an agricultural facility.” The bills also criminalize lying on an application to work at an agriculture facility “with an intent to commit an act not authorized by the Owner”–in an effort to stop the flow of grisly undercover videos. The first facility interference offense would be an aggravated misdemeanor but subsequent offenses could be felonies.

Of course, the Ag-Gag bills, as they were quickly dubbed, are anti-free-speech and would chill both whistle-blowers and news media (who couldn’t legally even receive non-approved farm images). The bills were scorified by CNN, the New York Times, Time magazine and First Amendment and food safety activists and, luckily, were defeated in 2011. But they are creeping back. .....................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://civileats.com/2012/05/11/9-nasty-truths-about-the-meals-you-eat/



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9 Nasty Truths About The Meals You Eat (Original Post) marmar May 2012 OP
K&R. It gets harder every day to eat even a remotely healthy diet here. Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #1
Very true get the red out May 2012 #2
Also very true. When you only have a choice between Walmart & Albertson's Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #5
You are so correct. dixiegrrrrl May 2012 #8
One can still eat low on the roody May 2012 #14
The benefits to buying local and eating vegetarian siligut May 2012 #3
Here's why small farmers can't make it as meat growers: mainer May 2012 #4
"Slaughterhouse on wheels" exist. They come to the farm to do the slaughtering jeff47 May 2012 #6
That would be immensely better -- but I still would prefer a responsible farmer mainer May 2012 #11
It's the inspections that's the problem, not a certification. jeff47 May 2012 #15
What you said... only more so... Bigmack May 2012 #7
Excellent post obamanut2012 May 2012 #12
Peer reviewed source? AtheistCrusader May 2012 #9
Any hunter can tell you stress changes the flavor of meat mainer May 2012 #10
I hunt as well. AtheistCrusader May 2012 #13
both were young bucks, both shot in almost the same location mainer May 2012 #16
You do realize that not all animals produce the same quality meat, right? jeff47 May 2012 #17
The hormonal changes are proven; the taste is subjective mainer May 2012 #18
There do seem to be some studies on this... mainer May 2012 #19
Peer-reviewed sources are not that difficult to find GoCubsGo May 2012 #20
Thanks, I was using the wrong keywords to search. AtheistCrusader May 2012 #21
We have a small local country butcher. Best of all worlds. knitter4democracy May 2012 #22
 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
1. K&R. It gets harder every day to eat even a remotely healthy diet here.
Mon May 14, 2012, 08:47 AM
May 2012

From GMO's and nutritionally deficient produce to outright frankenfoods, we are inundated with the illusion of variety even as the number of sources is further constricted.

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
2. Very true
Mon May 14, 2012, 09:23 AM
May 2012

And a lot of people are stuck in "food deserts". It is more expensive to eat the really good stuff, when you can find it, and that is also something a lot of folks simply can't do.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
5. Also very true. When you only have a choice between Walmart & Albertson's
Mon May 14, 2012, 11:02 AM
May 2012

you really don't have any choice.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
8. You are so correct.
Mon May 14, 2012, 11:26 AM
May 2012

IF I want to drive 180 miles round trip to the nearest city that has many grocery stores
and IF I could afford to pay 20.00 bucks or more to half fill the car tank each time/week,
I could find a lot of choices in food.
But in our town there are 3 store choices:
Walmart Super center
winn dixie ( most expensive store in town, rarely has organic choices)
Local Piggly Wiggly, very poor quality of most items.

We do have a curbside produce market, which helps some, but often those prices are no lower than grocery stores, tho they do carry local produce in season.

The price many people have to pay for living in small rural towns.

roody

(10,849 posts)
14. One can still eat low on the
Mon May 14, 2012, 11:49 AM
May 2012

food chain and unprocessed from those stores. Whole beans. Rice. Other whole grains, possibly canned.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
3. The benefits to buying local and eating vegetarian
Mon May 14, 2012, 10:17 AM
May 2012

Though it would only address the corruption if everybody could do it.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
4. Here's why small farmers can't make it as meat growers:
Mon May 14, 2012, 10:51 AM
May 2012

USDA slaughtering rules make it impossible. Yes, I know that the USDA is here to protect us, but sometimes they just get in the way of organic farms. In order to sell your meat on the market, the animals must be trucked to the nearest USDA slaughtering facility. That stresses the animals. It's expensive for the farmer. It adds to the price of the meat. And it degrades the flavor of the meat because of the stressed animals.

There has to be a way for small farms to be able to slaughter their animals in familiar surroundings, without the stress of transport.

For those carnivores among us, it truly makes a difference how your animals is killed. If it's led gently behind the barn, to an area it's familiar with, and killed with a bullet to the head, that is the kindest way it can go down. The meat tastes better. The animal never knows it's doomed. And the consumer knows that animals had a good life without emotional trauma.

We have to have a way for the USDA to certify humane-slaughter farms, and allow the farmer to do his own killing. I don't see how it could be any worse than the horrible farm-factories we have now.

The organic farmers I know can only survive by selling CSA shares, and then they're allowed to kill their own animals. But you can't buy this meat at your local grocery store.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
6. "Slaughterhouse on wheels" exist. They come to the farm to do the slaughtering
Mon May 14, 2012, 11:12 AM
May 2012

USDA-approved trailer and inspector included.

Probably much more pricey than a fixed slaughterhouse, but if it has the benefits you claim the farmer should be able to sell the beef at a premium.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
11. That would be immensely better -- but I still would prefer a responsible farmer
Mon May 14, 2012, 11:40 AM
May 2012

who kills in familiar surroundings, whose animals know him. If only we could certify the farmers themselves.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
15. It's the inspections that's the problem, not a certification.
Mon May 14, 2012, 11:59 AM
May 2012

The inspections are the sticking point - and they're far more effective at preventing contamination than a certification program so I don't think we'd want to abandon those.

Plus, I don't think most small farmers would want to make the investment in the required processing facilities for a very small number of cows.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
7. What you said... only more so...
Mon May 14, 2012, 11:16 AM
May 2012

I raised my own animals. They lived like royalty, ate better than most of the people in the world, and only had one really bad moment in their lives.

If people are going to eat meat, I don't know how they can countenance the abuse of animals... and the abuse of the food they eat... that is central to our meat production.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
9. Peer reviewed source?
Mon May 14, 2012, 11:27 AM
May 2012

Both in that transport 'stresses' the animals to the point the flavor can be altered and that 'stress' degrades the flavor at all?


I'm all for treating even the animals we intend to kill and eat as humanely as possible, but I am aware of no basis for that statement. USDA approved mobile slaughterhouses exist, though there is additional cost involved.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
10. Any hunter can tell you stress changes the flavor of meat
Mon May 14, 2012, 11:37 AM
May 2012

My son's a hunter. One year he brought me tenderloin from a deer who'd survived a good 20 minutes after the first shot, and had to be chased down. The second year, he brought me tenderloin from a deer who'd been felled with the first shot and just dropped dead with a shot to the heart. Both animals were free range, eating the same diet, and butchered by the same commercial butcher.

The difference in flavor was undebatable. I could barely eat the first deer, and told him not to bring me any more meat. I was so glad I tried it the second time, because now I love it.

As for stress of transport, have you ever watched pigs being rounded up to put them in the transport trailer? They're terrified and squealing and know something bad is going to happen. There are a whole host of hormones and lactic acid building up in those poor animals.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
13. I hunt as well.
Mon May 14, 2012, 11:49 AM
May 2012

I've never had to track a wounded animal down, but I have had meat from one that the group had to follow for a couple hours. I detected nothing unusual in the flavor.

For your example, the two animals diets were the same? Gender the same? Age the same? All these factors can impact the flavor and texture of the meat.

The last statement about the hormones and whatnot building, makes academic sense, but again, I am aware of no peer reviewed studies that reveal a significant flavor difference. I would like to know if there is, because it would lend credence to something that sounds plausible, but I have not experienced myself.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
16. both were young bucks, both shot in almost the same location
Mon May 14, 2012, 12:00 PM
May 2012

same village, one field over. Also hear the same thing from professional chefs.

I've heard this observation from a number of hunters here. There are a number of hormones that show up in any animal if its death was stressful.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
17. You do realize that not all animals produce the same quality meat, right?
Mon May 14, 2012, 12:02 PM
May 2012

To bring this back to beef, some cows produce far better meat than others, even from the same farm. That's why there's that whole "prime/select/choice" rating system.

Again, it would be nice if someone had actually done a study on this before claiming it's true.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
18. The hormonal changes are proven; the taste is subjective
Mon May 14, 2012, 12:18 PM
May 2012

catecholamines, cortisol, lactic acid -- all can be measured and are known (with human studies anyway) to increase under stress.

As for taste, well, that's always subjective. Can we taste those hormones? Are they detectable by diners? It would depend on the diner.

In either case, it's only humane to slaughter animals in the least-stressful way possible.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
19. There do seem to be some studies on this...
Mon May 14, 2012, 12:21 PM
May 2012

Something I didn't know. I was just going by my own taste buds. Thanks for inspiring the search.


http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/meat_quality/meat_quality_problems.html

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
22. We have a small local country butcher. Best of all worlds.
Tue May 15, 2012, 12:11 AM
May 2012

They have pens on site, so the animals get acclimated, and they give the farmers a good deal. They only deal with the small local farmers, and they have the best meat around, hands-down. Worth the drive out into the country.

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