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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/15/nancy-pelosi-taa_n_7590154.html?1434413924
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NV Whino
(20,886 posts)
bigtree
(94,269 posts)...republicans will try and lure enough members to make up the margin of votes, so Obama is, essentially, negotiating against his own party here.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)When you get screwed by both parties
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)
merrily
(45,251 posts)
Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)treatment will keep the dems together?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)The "Dem" President has already defected and joined the Republicans on this issue.
Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)long time ago we just didn't believe it.
I mean the Dems in Congress. They may not appreciate the way Pelosi is being treated and will be less inclined to any kind of begging from BO. He does it to her he can do it to them too.
enough
(13,760 posts)is secret. Hope Pelosi stands firm. We need to give her a lot of support.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I thought last week's vote was kabuki. Is this kabuki, too? We'll soon see, I guess.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)First Warren, now Pelosi. 
delrem
(9,688 posts)The Dems - totally controlled by the Third-Way, by MIC and big corporate/investment-capital money, have been playing kabuki for so long that it's ingrained. They are world-class experts.
When has the right-wing NOT won on economic/war issues? When?
Third-Way politicians won't change. They need to be ousted, control of the party wrested from their hands.
G_j
(40,569 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)... but after the games were played in the Senate, as they were, I will believe this Corporate Vampire on American Workers is over, is when it's cold rotten corpse is in public view, with a huge wooden stake driven thru it's heart.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Democrats. Unfuckingbelievable. Why doesn't he go ahead and change party affiliation.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)I certainly hope so. This is beyond disgusting.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)leadership will take this lying down. When a Democratic president sides with Republicans and shuts other Democrats out of discussions, there will be blow back, and I hope it's a duzy. He's begging for it.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Terrible agreement once and for all.
ananda
(35,152 posts)... if he didn't push the trade agreement through.
This reeks of desperation.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)$500k speaking engagements and 1 million
kath
(10,565 posts)Trojan Horse...
looks like the unmasking is pretty complete now,
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)and we got more than a year to go.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Paige Lavender - HuffPO
Posted: 06/14/2015 2:35 pm EDT Updated: 06/15/2015 9:59 am EDT
Pelosi took to the House floor Friday to oppose trade legislation Obama had personally lobbied for on Capitol Hill earlier that day.
“We have an opportunity to slow down,” Pelosi said. “Whatever the deal is with other countries, we want a better deal for America’s workers.” Following her speech, House Democrats rejected Obama's trade agenda in overwhelming numbers. Obama spent the weekend lobbying members of his party to switch their votes next week.
At a rally in Iowa, Clinton said that if the president can't come to terms with Pelosi, there should be no deal. "Here's what I think should happen now," Clinton said. "The president should listen to and work with his allies in Congress, starting with Nancy Pelosi, who have expressed their concerns about the impact that a weak agreement would have on our workers, to make sure we get the best, strongest deal possible and if we don't get it, there should be no deal."
Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/14/hillary-clinton-trade-deal_n_7580768.html
This could get REAL interesting.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Then "Hillary to the left of Obama on economics" shows surrogates planting the knife squarely in Obama's back - for "distance".
Those rewriting history have to avoid mention Rubin, Summers, Geithner, and the entire Clinton apparatus working quietly with Jamie Dimon and co. in the background, and even to the fore. Easy for them - they're pros.
From here on it's going to be one big twisted lie. Be prepared, because it's coming to DU first.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Someone up thread mentioned Kabuki Theater,
but I was unable to see it.
NOW,...it is as obvious as an elephant's ass.
Another manufactured Campaign opportunity for Hillary.
Nancy still has bills to pay.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)
tularetom
(23,664 posts)but she seems to be the only one in this entire drama who cares about American workers.
delrem
(9,688 posts)So at the very last possible minute she broke to the left.
But I don't trust this process: I believe it'll be worked out, behind the scenes, that JUST ENOUGH Dems vote with the Republicans - AGAIN - to get the most right-wing program in history passed. The right-wing has whip control of such important votes. The left-wing whip controls it so just enough cross the floor, every time, EVERY TIME, to pass the right-wing agenda. The left wing has an anti-whip. History proves it so clearly it can't be doubted.
I wish I were wrong, but I can't think of any evidence to support hope - not until the Third-Way is totally ousted. They are right-wing through and through and have no loyalty to anything but the MIC and big corporate/investment-capital money. And they hold the positions of Dem party power - while "the left" and "the progressive caucus" etc are quite literally laughed at.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)
I give it another 72 hours before the deal is done.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)
neverforget
(9,513 posts)
Omaha Steve
(109,234 posts)
Jumpin Jack Flash
(242 posts)and tell Obama to buzz off.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)than the "Impeachment is off the table" Pelosi.
Stick to your guns Nancy. Don't give the ReThuglicans what they want this time.
calimary
(90,039 posts)"Impeachment is off the table." WHAT WAS SHE THINKING????????????????????????????? One of her worst moves EVER!!!
bananas
(27,509 posts)jalan48
(14,914 posts)Looks like it's the other way around.
wolfie001
(7,667 posts)....for his future gig on Wall Street......sadly.......
babylonsister
(172,759 posts)I must have missed that part.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)
Beaverhausen
(24,699 posts)"One of those administration officials making calls was White House chief of staff Denis McDonough, who spoke to Pelosi on Monday. Neither the White House nor Pelosi's office gave details about their conversation."
Gman
(24,780 posts)When was the last time you heard a Repub call him the respected title of "the president"?
They just want something.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)
libodem
(19,288 posts)Nice to have a leader responsive to her constituency. Good for her. Fuck them
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)From the OP article~
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)What the TAA proposed as I understand it was to take Medicare money and use it to provide for the TAA, the money to help workers who lose their jobs due to the TPP to retrain and find new jobs.
Taking money from Medicare at this time when the senior population is growing and when so many seniors' retirement funds and pensions were depleted or lost in the 2008 crisis, is just cruel . It's mean and irresponsible.
Here. If you don't believe me.
Explain to me why taxpayers should pay for TAA (Trade Adjustment Assistance) by funding the program through a $700 million cut to Medicare. Medicare is funded by the taxpayers, not the so-called "global" corporations that will be eliminating jobs, along with the payroll taxes that fund Medicare in addition to corporate taxes, if any, that are paid. These corporations should be paying for TAA. After all, the benefits these corporations receive from US trade benefits negotiated on their behalf, plus US tax cuts legislated on their behalf more than compensate them for the cost.
As a displaced worker receiving TAA benefits, my personal experience with the program is that it will not benefit the majority of workers. To apply for educational benefits, you must first search out an occupation that is considered "in demand." (Preferably one that doesn't qualify for an HB1 visa, because it may be "in demand" but it will probably be filled by an imported worker.) After completing a 2 year degree program, you are left with little in the way of job placement support from job services or the trade school. Employers just aren't that interested in an employee with a degree but without experience--and for the 50+ age group, you might as well just forget it. At least in my own area, there is little to no coordination between the TAA program, trade schools, and employers to make effective use of the educational program to put these displaced workers back to work.
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mamacita
http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2015/06/why-should-medicare-pay-taa
This was the plan in 2007.
And it still is:
Funding for a federal trade assistance program would come out of Medicare. Workers displaced by free trade agreements receive job training and other support through a program called Trade Adjustment Assistance (TAA). The current proposed reauthorization of the program would be paid for through cuts to Medicare.
U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Evanston) says she doesn’t know how many Democrats plan on opposing the idea, but guesses it’s an unacceptable proposal to many members of her party in Congress.
“There were a lot of people who initially were unaware that this was the pay for,” Schakowsky said. “I think there is definitely a groundswell of opposition to it.”
Schakowsky says she supports TAA, and would actually like to see the program expanded. Her opposition is all about the Medicare cuts, including reductions in dialysis payments to people with kidney problems. The cut would supposedly save $250 million over the next 10 years.
Another $700 million in savings would be found by extended sequestration cuts which reduce payments to Medicare providers.
http://m.riverbender.com/news/details.cfm?id=178089
So now we have it. Obama is so desperate for this trade deal that he is willing to take money from the elderly to pay for it. That is not just not nice. It is much, much worse. I will leave the appropriate language for it to your imagination, dear readers.
Chicanery? Is that nice enough?
That the TAA is needed is a confession on the part of the Republicans and their friend Obama that the TPP will yet again deal a blow to the American job market.
In fact, isn't it interesting that as the administration cooks the numbers to make it look like our economic recovery is taking hold (although not enough hold to justify raising interest rates just a wee tad), and then insists we need this job-killing (admitted by the administration with the proposal that the money to fund job retraining etc. be taken from seniors) bill.
Sorry guys.
This is unacceptable. We need to be writing and calling the White House directly.
Cheney has had how many heart operations on the taxpayers' dollars?
What about your operation, your mom's, your grandmother's?
Is the TPP more important than your, your mom's or your grandmother's health?
Please. Enough of this nonsense is enough.
The TPP is a corporate coup and among others working people and seniors are supposed to pay for it. The gall of some politicians.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I can't believe this full-court press they're doing to ram this through on the backs of working people, the elderly, farmers, and others.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)I would like this administration explain this to me. Obama has stated that it had strong job protection, not like the other trade agreements and would protect workers rights and provide us access to foreign markets. Yet we are going to have to defund Medicare to pay for jobs retraining. I supported Obama, but I am really mystified by his pushing this lousy trade agreement that is alienating the powerful labor constituencies of the party. I have, like thousands of others, have written to him several times and only have gotten the same type of crummy response that I get from my senator and House representive. "We appreciate your interest, blah, blah blah ad nauseam".
Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)Last I looked, O, et al, work for the people, but Facism has made it all the way to the Oval Office.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I'd be a fucking monkey's uncle before I'd vote for ANYTHING related to TPP after that.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)also thank Nancy Pelosi.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)and done.
forest444
(5,902 posts)Leader Pelosi should wear this like a badge of honor.
NCarolinawoman
(2,825 posts)
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)I can't see how we would do much worse with someone like Joe Biden as president for the remainder of the term. And maybe we could get someone even better as his VP too.
This turncoat's legacy is officially that brown stuff that comes out of our asses now!
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Action_Patrol
(845 posts)"I never thought I'd say this - until the TPP. For his country's sake (and I don't mean Kenya), President Obama at this point should indeed resign."
Wow. WTF. I can't believe some of the garbage that gets thought much less posted around here.
CentralMass
(16,973 posts)
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Reps Hoyer and Clyburn?
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Stand firm, Nancy.
And I am not surprised. The whole situation has be cloaked.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)that he's turned into a tea party wanna be so fast 
lemme guess it's cause Nancy is just Wrong as well smh
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)is that he see's this as his big chance for a 'bipartisan legacy'.
Buns_of_Fire
(19,161 posts)But if this POS legislation passes, and it's half as bad as some think it will be, it won't be quite the "legacy" he expects.
And even if it DOESN'T pass, it looks like there's a lot of bad blood being built up on both sides.
beltanefauve
(1,784 posts)We saw what happened to Bill Clinton 's legacy re: NAFTA.
MADem
(135,425 posts)understand why. She's smart. She's pragmatic. She has a POV but she works with everyone under our big tent. She's superbly capable. She knows the House rules better than anyone.
And it sounds, to me, that she refused to vote count and order her delegation to "get in line." At least not without a "robust highway bill" to sweeten the pot...
That, to me, is genius. Here's the bottom line--the guy in the WH, and I like him just fine, too, FWIW, isn't running for election every couple of years. Nancy's caucus IS. Each one of them knows how their constituents feel about this issue...or they are starting to get a sense of it.
She figures this is going to be an agenda item for a bit, and she wants her peeps to do the best thing for their own survival, not twist arms, make deals, cut bargains, and hope it all shakes out. If deals are going to be cut, she's going to cut them. Stoops to conquer!!
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)position in the past wrong and takes the glove off for this one.
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)Very.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)I wonder if Pelosi might reconsider her earlier stances indicated here...
... let the Republicans have their way, and let us get a President Biden instead, who perhaps won't be pushing as hard to get this TPP/RPA crap passed. Maybe even just her making moves in this direction will stop the president moving towards treason with the way he's pushing this corporate coup on us!
bvar22
(39,909 posts)but something happened when she graduated to Speaker of the House (2006).
She got an extreme face lift (couldn't blink for a year), and assumed her seat at the [i\]RIch Man's Table.
She has never looked back.
[font size=3]Paulson with co-conspirators
Now THIS is bi-partisanship!!!
Better get used to it, SUCKERS!
Hahahahahahahaha!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I thought President Obama locked Nancy P., out of the negotiations!
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)They have enough to pass the bill on their own.
lark
(26,081 posts)You did the right thing by standing up to the lobbyists and the president (sadly they are aligned on TPP) in this horrible bill that greatly increases the cost of medicine by reducing generics, enhances Us worker outsourcing, and is a complete corporate power play.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Anyone have that snippet?
None of this surprising. We ARE in a corporate state, and the Democratic Party has become a back-bencher to the GOP in the latter's allegiance to corporate power. ANY views or policies which smack of ANYTHING to the left of Eisenhower will be vigorously opposed by the Party. And since these views will originate with liberal-progressives, they will face constant opposition from the Party "leadership," much more so than the GOP. The Republicans' work is done regarding its packaging of liberals; in fact, it is superfluous in the face of the effective work to isolate and denigrate progressive Democrats by their own Party leadership.
I sometimes wonder that the reason for Obama's candidacy was not based on opposition to Hillary and her policies (there seemed too little to quibble about), but instead was based on the view that she was too vulnerable, even against the usual right wing humdrum of the GOP. Obama's candidacy, however, brought in more of the increasingly disaffected Party progressives than Hillary could, and those progs could be easily and contemptuously dismissed afterwards.
These are tough times. Progressive liberal thought will be opposed vigorously by both parties, and in large measure by MSM. And the atmosphere on the street is militant apathy, and distrust of not only ideology and ideals, but of the very notion anything can be done for the better.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)maybe because didn't didn't reference the fact that his boss was a lying liar and corrupt corruptician. or maybe because there's enough money left over from his war chest to actually hire a proper staff.
poor carol, her people couldn't even afford dc rent.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Like George Carlin said, "Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out". Cynical as that is, it is true that extremely controversial bills usually need bipartisanship to pass.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/16196/rightwing_coalition_opposes_tpp_calling_it_obamatrade
The Republicans are moving forward because they are covering each others back. Once they're faced with being held solely responsible by their constituents, in their red districts, for passing "Obamatrade"; they will pause and reflect. Add to that having to vote for another government program that spends money on the unemployed, by taking money from Medicare .... wow, they better hope all the right wing pundits and rabble rousers are paid up in full by the TPP benefactors.
calimary
(90,039 posts)Glad you're here! Don't know if your low post count means you're new or you've been lurking for awhile. But in any event, don't forget to make sure to have your asbestos overalls handy. Things have been a little fiery around here lately.
mtasselin
(668 posts)Can anyone spell sellout, I can and his name is President Barack Obama. He is living in the bubble now in his second term just like many of them do, they stop listening to the people who elected them, and please don't tell me how much he has done for us because when you examine what you think he did it really is not that much compared to what he said he was going to do. If he would have fought for single payer as hard as he is fighting for the destruction of America with tpp we would have had it.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)saw an interview on the daily show and she seemed out of touch.
what's more likely is that this aide is a sore bitter (almost) loser.
Kevin from WI
(184 posts)Who the hell would want them negotiating anything... bunch of fascist loud mouths. Nothing they do is good for the country.
Everything the Republicans come up with is just designed to screw over the poor and middle class. And yet plenty of them will vote Republican. I'll never understand Walmart Republicans who work for minimum wage.
I really don't get it.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)and many of us. Wonder how the picnic is going?
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Fucking zombies.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=323891&sub=trans
Sid
alarimer
(17,146 posts)He sold us all out for his "legacy."
And Republicans are just assholes who never play fair anyway.