Meet the *Real* Enemy

[MannyGoldstein]

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When the lives that you Proles lead don't get better, make sure you blame Pelosi for scuttling the blessed thing, not the Obama/Republican/Wall Street leadership team who were just trying to serve you. (Spare us the cookbook jokes, will you?)

While Congressional Democrats have much more powerful brains than you people, they were still somehow beguiled by Pelosi, along with that difficult Senator from Massachusetts, and the Commie version of Mister Buster who thinks he can beat out America's Next President™ for the Democratic Presidential nomination. Apparently there was some talk about "not increasing the number of children living in cars", as if that doesn't build character in the urchins that will last a lifetime.

This just sucks.

Strange days, indeed.

Regards,

Third-WayTotally-Liberal-but-Realistic Manny

[MannyGoldstein]

2. She's even from San Francisco!

I mean, who couldn't see this happening! The San Francisco-Vermont-Cambridge Axis of Impracticality!

[BillZBubb]

3. Manny be playin' with your head dude.

It's sarcasm.

[R B Garr]

4. Well, he's not playing with *my* head, but he's definitely

playing.

[icymist]

19. Yeah, Manny's the Don Rickles of DU.

But, he keeps forgetting this:

[NewSystemNeeded]

5. Pelosi just put out an op-ed in USA Today:

I suggest a new global engagement on trade — an engagement that enables voices from all aspects of the world's economies to be heard.

This could be accomplished under the auspices of the United Nations, or in a new conclave created to give voice to representatives of public, private and non-profit organizations. We must give workers more leverage and have more open discussion, with greater transparency and stronger accountability than the World Trade Organization or other trade negotiations.

Globalization goes beyond trade. Our efforts must go beyond business as usual and create a new model for trade agreements.

We must think entrepreneurially — think in new and different ways about how to grow the economy and workers' paychecks as we protect our planet and ensure our security.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/06/15/congress-trade-fast-track-tpa-pelosi-column/71270294/

She is arguing for a complete overhaul of how trade negotiations are done.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. United Nations? LOL!

'nuff said!

Sounds like the Krabby Kommie's rhetoric has gotten to her.

[think]

8. Yowzers!

[BillZBubb]

9. She's got a good idea there.

Ultra cheap labor should not be considered a fair advantage in trade. Import duties should be applied based on relative wage rates and standard of living. If something is produced in a country with subsistence wages, their products should face a high tariff when sold to a country with a decent standard of living.

[sabrina 1]

57. Wow, I didn't expect that from Nancy to be honest. The winds of change seem to be blowing hard.

Maybe WE'RE not the only ones who have had it with the greed and corruption of these Global Corps.

[2banon]

61. I hear ya. That's not the Nancy Pelosi I've grown to know and dislike so much. That statement

does not reflect her style of writing or speaking, much less substance.

I like it, but I wonder who actually wrote it. and how is that she's signing off on something that at first blush seems like would be against her own personal financial interest. (Wine Industry)

hmm.

scratching my head on that one.

[sabrina 1]

64. I can't answer that. But you can feel the tide turning. When Liberal Orgs and Unions threatened to

help oust any Dem who voted for this abomination, I think they were surprised at how passionately opposed to this a majority of people are.

The people do have the power, and a lot of effort went into using that power on stopping this.

That has to scare them a bit, as they got used to manipulating the people. THAT isn't working anymore.

Also, maybe the shenanigans going on behind closed doors has finally become too much even for those who went along for so long.

[appal_jack]

7. Did she torpedo TPA once and for all?

I've been away from the computer all day until now, so I'm asking an honest question...

My understanding as of yesterday was that TPA and the Trade Adjustment Assistance Package were up for a re-vote on Tuesday.

ON-EDIT: I just found this, which answers my question: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026842629

Call me pleasantly surprised...

-app

[aspirant]

10. Read on HuffPost

That Boner is going to have a procedural vote on Tuesday to extend consideration of TAA until July 30.

[appal_jack]

26. Sigh. So Flaccid Orange Boehner & Obama are on the same team. Against us. nt

[BrotherIvan]

11. I'm not a huge fan of Speaker Pelosi

But I wouldn't make an enemy of her. Just sayin.

[Avalux]

12. K&R. Brilliant.

[NanceGreggs]

13. The "REAL ENEMY" ...

... is now, always has been, and ever shall be the Republican Party.

I realize that over the past few years, that fact has become lost on DU. On any given day, there are more anti-Dem posts than there are anti-GOP posts.

While the Republicans continue to wage war on women's rights, voters' rights, GLBT rights, non-Christians' rights, minorities' rights, the poor, the sick, the dying, and the imprisoned, DU has become a hotbed of debate as to which Democrat is more to blame for the country's woes than the other.

Such posts are not meant to be enlightening, productive, nor a catalyst for honest debate and discussion. They serve one purpose: to distract Democrats from the REAL enemy, while encouraging them to fight amongst themselves instead.

DEMOCRATS are not proposing legislation that replaces science texts with The Bible. They are not fighting against a woman's right to choose. They are not fighting for voter ID laws that will disenfranchise minorities, nor are they championing the prohibition of same-sex marriage.

There is, however, an entire political PARTY that is hell-bent on doing all of that - and more.

While the GOP goes about its plans to move the country back to the 19th Century, some folks are less interested in the advancement of those plans than they are determining who looks better in a corset and bustle.

Obama is the enemy! Pelosi is the enemy! Hillary is the enemy! Sanders is the enemy! The (D) in rural Wisconsin in the enemy! The (D) in inner-city Chicago is the enemy! And the Democrat who doesn't pass the DU purity test is DEFINITELY THE ENEMY!

I KNOW who the REAL ENEMY is - but I thank you for your, uh - concern.

[MannyGoldstein]

14. I beg your pardon, but

when MY President allies with Republicans, and fights Pelosi, then Pelosi is the enemy and Republicans are our friends.

N'est–ce pas?

[NanceGreggs]

15. Your "record" on DU is there for all to see.

You have spent far more "ink" on disparaging Democrats than you have disparaging Republicans.

Far more.

[MannyGoldstein]

18. We USers are funny like that

There was a President... Lincoln was his name, I think... who fired his losig generals. This was silly, of course, since the enemy was the problem.

[NanceGreggs]

20. "We USers"?

Are you implying that my US citizenship is somehow in question, that I am not a part of "USers"?

I think it's rather telling that you chose to refer to a president who was only considered "my president" by part of the citizenry - while another part of the citizenry considered themselves to be separate and apart from Lincoln's "US", and recognized a different authority.

I believe it was called "The Civil War" - and being a divided nation was not only its origin, but its eventual outcome.

Perhaps you see pitting Dem against Dem as something productive - even heroic.

I don't.

[MADem]

21. Nance....don't even bother. You don't need this agita right now.

Sometimes, when you wrestle with an entity of a certain character, they enjoy the battle. Deny 'em the thrill.

Everybody can see there's a pissy little game afoot here. It's obvious. It speaks more to the perpetrator's character than anyone responding and objecting to his characterizations.

Can't buy a thrill. Some want to rent one on DU. It's sad, really~!

Take care of yourself. Ignore this nonsense.

[NanceGreggs]

22. Thanks, MADem ...

... but it's not so much a case of agita as it a case of

[MADem]

25. I know, quite right....but even at that, lead you not into temptation!

[NanceGreggs]

27. Ha ha! I hear ya ...

But sometimes you just have to speak up and take a stand.

That's something I read all the time on DU - and yet so few are willing to speak up and take a stand when it comes to what gets posted on this website.

Everyone is walking on eggshells, double- and triple-thinking their every word, their every post, their every thought, living in fear of "THE HIDE".

Well, if you can't stand up against the people who are doing their best to be divisive and pit Democrats one against the other, I think that's a pretty good indication that you can't stand up against anything that really matters.

If I'm going to wind up being silenced, at least it will be for standing up to the dividers, and not for having "gone along to get along" by agreeing with their divisiveness - along with their agenda - out of fear of pointing out the obvious.

It will be amusing to see the "jury results" on this post - "She spoke up for Dems standing together instead of fighting with each other - a position no longer acceptable on DemocraticUnderground."

[MADem]

28. Speaking up for DEMS? Why, the NOIVE of ya!!!!!

(I used to have this t-shirt, wore it to death in the Nancy Reagan years)

[mia]

38. "jury results" on this post

On Tue Jun 16, 2015, 08:52 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Nance....don't even bother. You don't need this agita right now.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6843857

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Impugning the op's character is a personal attack.

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[SidDithers]

41. Oh FFS...

Sid

[Andy823]

42. +100,000,000,000 nt

[MannyGoldstein]

30. Good point.

Had Lincoln kept his losing generals, America would have been more united both then and now.

Who can argue with that?

[Whiskeytide]

43. Little known facts....

.... in 1864, Grant, through his contacts at West Point, had the support of the mule lobby. The country's largest mule supplier, Your Asses R Us, ltd., gave more than $800 to Lincoln's campaign in 1859, and sought and obtained the appointment of Ima N. Worthy to Abe's cabinet as Sec. of Livestock Procurement. Worthy began pressuring Lincoln to make the change after McClellan had been quoted in the Washington Sentinel complaining about the smell of mule shit. The article was widely thought to be a hit piece by Ira "1st Way" Goldstein, managing editor of the paper.

Sherman, on the other hand, was the great grandson of Micheal "Mic" Shadey, the CEO and founder of Minuteman Musket Balls, Inc., located in Akron, OH. Lincoln and Grant appointed Sherman to lead the Armies in the West as part of a deal to reduce the amount of munitions MMB, Inc. was selling to the South by 50%.

link:http://this is not a real link.don't be ridiculous.com//

So, obviously, Lincoln's changes of his generals had nothing to do with actually trying to win the war, but instead were merely early examples of DC politics as unusual.

[MannyGoldstein]

45. So he *was* one of us!

Thank you for brightening my day!

Regards,

TWM

[Eleanors38]

48. Told you the NRA was behind it.

[jalan48]

17. I don't think the Democratic and Republican lines are as clearly drawn in the case of the TPP.

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What, we're supposed to act like this is a sporting event and totally love OUR team and hate THEIR team? It's far too simplified, but it plays well to uninformed American voters who love to stand on the sidelines and cheer on their folks, rah, rah-go team!

[mother earth]

52. Well said, jalan48. The idea of cheerleading is sickening esp. in regard to TPP.

I guess we need to ignore right & wrong for the sake of the party. Fuck that. TPP is wrong, no matter who is supporting it, no matter, it does nothing for the people in our country or elsewhere. It's a power grab for the corporations, plain & simple. Supporting TPP is insanity if you are a real person, and not that new BS variety the "corporate personhood".

[DanTex]

24. Exactly. Well said.

[JaneyVee]

31. Great post. And "progressives" wonder why progressives don't win...

Because cynicism and division has never won anything. Ever.

[cali]

35. there is more than one "real enemy" of democracy and the majority of people.

Republicans are decidedly one of those real enemies. So is corporate influence and power and the revolving door between government and corporations and entities that exist to expand "corporate" rights. You reference voting rights and republicans, but corporations are every bit as much of a threat in that regard. ALEC, for instance is a front for corporations. Corporations may support LGBT rights, but they don't, as a whole, support voting rights. They don't want more voters- particularly minority voters.

Some of us see corporate influence and power within the democratic party as a huge problem, effecting negatively, everything from the environment, environmental justice and action on climate change, to voting rights and access to health care and generic drugs to internet freedom and privacy, to regulations governing worker safety to pensions to the strength of unions.... and on and on.

In some cases, democrats are wrong. Sometimes flat wrong. Dangerously wrong. I support dems on issues where I believe they're right. I oppose them on issues where I believe they are wrong. It's that simple.

[NCTraveler]

39. Great post Nance. nt.

[Bobbie Jo]

44. +100000

Brava, Nance.

The REAL enemy, indeed.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

54. Excellent point. Let's all get together and defeat this piece of shit Republican TPP bill.

Republicans, and those who make common cause with Republicans and their initiatives--I completely agree with you that those people are our enemies.

[iamthebandfanman]

16. im glad we are getting more in sync

now that the primaries have begun

reminds me of old DU.

theyre all a problem. all the old dlc corporate sellouts that have been in office too long and made too many deals with shady people...
people used to call those democrats out on DU , and its nice to see someone doing it again.

at any rate, I do see a need to take small steps when going about reforming the party and the government.. that's why Bernie isn't out on the trail advocating democratic ownership of production (ie making workers get the right to vote the will of a company instead of having a ceo or board)... and why would he, even tho that's what democratic socialist believe... because the lefts concepts are scary to mainstream America.. most people don't follow politics, the voting records prove that...
but they do remember being told for decades to hate socialism or communism.
gotta take baby steps, get the mass majority to understand they need to vote and vote for their own well being.. you do that by showing your programs are workable..

[ucrdem]

23. Not bad.

Truth be told she probably saved it from oblivion so props to La Pelosi.

[marym625]

29. K&R

Great post!

[SidDithers]

32. Unrec...

The REAL ENEMIES are Republicans, Manny, no matter how often you try to convince us that Democrats are the enemy.

Sid

[MannyGoldstein]

34. Sorry, buster.

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I stand with MY President on this one. It's all Pelosi's fault. And that Massachusetts Senator Obama called "untruthful".

And I totally love your enema sig. But you never did answer me... in your dream, does the town get one giant enema, say, down main Street? Or are individual enemas administered to each person in town?

Regards,

TWM

[SidDithers]

40. No, Manny, you don't...

you never stand with your President. You work hard to find areas of disagreement between Democrats, and then use those disagreements to try to drive more and more wedges between the posters at DU.

The TWM schtick is old and tired. It's actually kinda pathetic that you persist with it.

It would be refreshing, surprising even, if you directed some of your ire at Republicans once in a while.

Sid

[MannyGoldstein]

46. I find disagreements between "Democrats" and Democratic principles

And put them on view.

[JoePhilly]

51. He said from on high.

[MannyGoldstein]

58. A baseless and purely-nasty remark

I think you can do better.

[JoePhilly]

59. From one who would know I guess.

Maybe you could tell us all what is "acceptable" again.

The congregation needs to be told such things ... have some one on high "show them" ... tell them who the unbelievers are.

[Andy823]

55. Well said Sid. nt

[bettyellen]

56. That's been shown time and time again. Yep.

[wyldwolf]

47. see my sig, Sid.

[zappaman]

49. Love your sig line!

Some acts are just tiresome and sad.

[SidDithers]

50. Nailed it...

Sid

[SixString]

33. DU rec.

[raouldukelives]

36. Most peculiar mama. Whoa. nt

[Oilwellian]

37. Yes, how dare she thwart this republican-lovin' business agreement!

Obama and his republican buddies Paul Ryan and Boehner have been working hard to make America a better place! They want World Peas, damnit!

[cascadiance]

53. I thought that they wanted World Pees...

That's the only way their "trickle down effect" will work!

[rbnyc]

60. love the trademark sign

Thanks for the chuckle.

[MFrohike]

62. Swing and a miss

By all accounts, Pelosi was covertly gathering support for TAA and TPA until Rosa DeLauro told her that her counting was off.

[Sheepshank]

63. They enemy isn't Bush, Paul, Cruz?

Nice job at yet another "Dems are the worst ever" fail.

[SidDithers]

65. Kick...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026869644

Sid