Walker up by 9-points in new WI Recall poll, WI Dems upset with DNC

[WI_DEM]

I thought when Walker polled almost as many votes in his meaningless primary as the Dems did in their competitive primary that he has more support than we have been willing to admit. However, I still think we can win it, but it will be hard work and a big grass roots effort--I will be making calls all this weekend:

With that in mind, what better way to celebrate Mothers Day than by asking 1,219 likely Wisconsin voters who they plan to elect on June 5? Here are the results:

Poll type:: Automated Date: 5/13//2012 - Participants: 1,219 Likely voters - Margin of Error: ± 2.81%
Candidate Percent
Walker 52%
Barrett 43%
Undecided 5%

While other polls also show Walker in the lead, no one is suggesting that this race is anywhere near over. Walker only leads among self-described Independent voters by 47.6%-44.6%, and the underlying numbers seem fluid. Still, some of Walker’s detractors have been vocal about the fact that Walker was duly elected in 2010 and in most states would not be able to be challenged with a recall without greater cause. And a whopping 95% of those called said they plan to vote in the June 5th election which will have the national spotlight on it.

(not sure about how valid this poll is)
http://weaskamerica.com/2012/05/14/recall-fever/

Wisconsin Democrats Frustrated with Lack of DNC Support
Greg Sargent: "Top Wisconsin Democrats are furious with the national party -- and the Democratic National Committee in particular -- for refusing their request for a major investment in the battle to recall Scott Walker... The failure to put up the money Wisconsin Dems need to execute their recall plan comes at a time when the national Republican Party is sinking big money into defending Walker, raising fears that the DNC's reluctance could help tip the race his way.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/05/14/wisconsin_democrats_frustrated_with_lack_of_dnc_support.html

Come on Mr. President, get involved and raise some ads and do some commercials and maybe even visit the state in support of Barrett!!!

[lastlib]

1. How do we turn this around? People, a ROCK would be a better governor

We CANNOT let this POS win this!! There is far too much at stake!

[WI_DEM]

3. In the end it will come down to who gets more of their supporters to the polls

and there are some dems who don't like the idea of recalls.

[hfojvt]

63. I am not sure I like the idea of recalls

but I am not sure how they work either. Take any reasonably close election, or even a fairly lopsided one. If somebody wins by 55-40, for example, that's a fairly large victory. But there is also a very large portion of the voters who oppose the winner, many of them very strongly oppose the winner. If it only takes 10% of the voters to force a recall, then it seems like losing candidates, losing parties will always be able to disrupt a function government by putting things in permanent election mode. Because nobody is gonna be liked, or even respected, by all of the people all of the time.

Since yesterday was mother's day, I spoke to my parents. I was a little bit upset to find out the Democratic candidate was from Milwaukee. I spent ten years living in rural Wisconsin, and I am thinking that some of the rest of the state does not really like Milwaukee all that much. I am sorta imagining a voter in Tomah or Wausau or Rice Lake reacting to Milwaukee the way the cowboys react to New York City in a commercial for Pace Picante Sauce. NEW YORK CITY??? (Milwaukee???)

He wouldn't have as large of a population base, but I'd feel better if our candidate was the mayor of Nennah instead of Milwaukee.

Milwaukee

[JDPriestly]

72. Let me tell you what happened in California.

Your recall and our recall are mirror images. Get out and vote for the Democrat no matter where he is from. The future of your state depends on it.

We had a Democratic governor -- first time in many years.

Issa initiated a recall campaign based on very unfair accusations about the Democratic governor's relationship with the prison guards' union. Never mind that all governors tend to have a cozy relationship with that union.

Issa did not run. Schwarzenegger did. Schwarzenegger won -- Horrors!

With the exception of environmental issues, Schwarzenegger pretty much did our state in.

He promised he would clean out the waste in our government. Of course, when he could a task force to find the waste, they came up nearly emptyhanded.

So to support his "investment" and wild spending spree without asking for tax hikes, he borrowed. He floated bonds which the public gleefully and ignorantly voted for.

I voted against the bonds -- because I know what they are and what they mean.

State and municipal bonds are the means through which politicians who in their private lives are cronies of the wealthy pass tax revenues to their super-wealthy friends in the form of INTEREST. And, by the way, the interest on the bonds is earned by the super-wealthy TAX-FREE. So you and your middle class taxpayer friends end up not only passing your hard-earned money to your governor's rich friends in the form of interest on the bonds and debt, but you get to pay EXTRA TAXES (WHOOPEE!) to make up for the taxes that the rich don't pay on their tax-exempt bond interest revenue.

Now, at last, here in California, we have a Democratic governor -- and he is having to pick up the pieces. Finally, we are having a sensible conversation in our state about raising taxes on the rich.

Oh, and I almost forgot, in the last weeks of Schwarzenegger's government, we learned of course that he was the father of an illegitimate, over ten years old boy born to his housekeeper. Very human. Not unusual at all, but of course, his lovely wife is broken-hearted and we all care a lot about her. Just shows you, you don't necessarily get marital fidelity just because you have a Republican governor.

Your situation in Wisconsin is the reverse of our situation. You have the Republican -- the equivalent of Schwarzenegger in office. He will bankrupt your state and hand the money from your taxes to his rich buddies. Just like Schwarzenegger.

Vote for the Democrat.

[hfojvt]

87. I'm not in Wisconsin any more

my parents are and they voted for Barrett, against the advice of their niece, a teacher in Madtown. I am just sitting down here in Kansas, going Milwaukee? Milwaukee? Milwaukee? We're screwn. Milwaukee. The party might as well nominate a candidate from Chicago. Oh wait, that's the President. We are so screwn. Why couldn't we get the mayor of Green Bay or Eau Claire? or Wausau? (It probably would turn out that such a person wouldn't have connections to the big money donors of Milwaukee (but dammit, the state party itself should have that))

[TheWraith]

137. (Blink, blink)

there are some dems who don't like the idea of recalls.

(Bangs head on the wall)

Really, looking at our side, I sometimes think it's miraculous that we manage to win anything. We've met the enemy, and he is us.

[annabanana]

4. We could let the DNC know that we expect SOME of our money to go there. . . n/t

[movonne]

34. We should be calling and e-mailing the dnc and letting

them know that we will not contribute any more to them unless they help in WI...we can contribute directly to the candidates...f--k them...

[whathehell]

138. We're doing it!...As of yesterday morning Signon.org had 100,000 signatures urging the DNC

to get onboard and contribute...a lot of people are frankly pissed off,

calling their democratic principles into question and telling them they'll

never get another dime from them if they don't "step up".

[HereSince1628]

35. Some of this will turn around as Barrett's media effort gains traction,

Walker has spent 20 million on media ALREADY, and had an estimated 12 million on hand last tuesday. That sort of spending has power.

What is really needed along these lines is creative effort and money to exploit things like the "divide and conguer" youtube.
Honestly, this is a place where the DNC has failed Wisconsin Dems.


As stated elsewhere in this thread, on June 5 this is going to come down to which side gets its voters to the polls. BOTH SIDES are motivated. The TEAHADISTS LOVE A FIGHT and they see this as a bar-room brawl.

Everyone is going to need to contact friends, relatives and coworkers who lean toward recall and convince them them to get to the polls.

We don't have the pile of money, what we have is votes, but we need a big morale boost to make people feel like they will vote. There was/is a rally scheduled in Milwaukee this for weekend.

We need to reignite that huge boost of people power that rallied in the capitol last year.

[Cal33]

65. And time is getting short!

[AverageJoe90]

117. Yeah.

Even a wild badger would be a better governor than Scott Walker.

[PatSeg]

2. K&R

[flamingdem]

5. k&r

[Bake]

6. I predict Walker survives the recall.

And I hate it. But he's got too much Koch money. It's been too long since the labor protests. Walker survives.

How the hell does this happen????

Bake

[TheMightyFavog]

15. Think there's a chance Romney might pick him for a running mate if he does survive?

[hfojvt]

69. the labor protests may not have been popular either

say you have 50,000 ticked off teachers protesting in Madtown. That's a big protest to be sure, but the state population is 5.6 million. So 50,000 people may be very upset, but how do the other 5.4 million people feel about it? Some may see it as a bunch of privileged people agitating about their own benefits. A big or long protest does not mean you are winning people over to your side. The actions we take should be calculated with an eye on the prize - an eye on the majority of people.

That's one of the ways it happens. Our side blows of a majority of the people, perhaps because our side does not really care for a majority of the people.

[RBInMaine]

97. I predict it will be very close and that the D wins.

[BlueDemKev]

105. Because....

....a slim majority of Americans fear union power more than they do corporate power.

[whathehell]

7. They should be furious and I can't help but wonder why the DNC isn't stepping in..

Hate to say it, but as we know, the prez hasn't exactly been overly "pro-labor".

[dionysus]

9. only 7 posts in before obama gets blamed if barrett loses.. not bad...

[whathehell]

29. Pathetic...

but I figured somebody would jump that gun.

How 'bout throwing them some $ so Barrett does NOT lose?

Just sayin.

[Plucketeer]

61. I just remember the "comfortable shoes" ruse

THAT says alot about how this administration views what's happening in Wisconsin. Remember that they saved the auto industry - not the unions that build the cars.

[whathehell]

78. True.

That was a bs ruse.

[Chan790]

38. I don't know if I'd blame Obama but I'd certainly blame the DNC.

They knew going into this that there would be a need for their support and money to offset Walker's big-money backers. The guy's a lame duck who is not well liked and may win his recall purely because he can buy his way to a narrow win.

Damned straight I'm going to blame them. What precisely do they think I'm giving them money for? It's surely not to run moderates for President, it's to beat conservatives and run liberals down-ticket.

Fuck it, next time they ask me for money I'm sending it to Barrett instead.

[Tarheel_Dem]

11. What would "overly pro-labor" look like?

[Bandit]

21. Like maybe in Penn. where Dems have majority they don't vote to strip collective bargaining

for public employees.. That would be a healthy start..

[whathehell]

30. Thank you.

There are many here who really "don't get" it here.

[whathehell]

27. I'll tell you what it would look like

It would look like Obama actually APPEARING at the Wisconsin protests last year,

or maybe even MENTIONING them LOUDLY once or twice in sentences that composed of

more then ten words, more than the one time I recall it.

It would look like him coming out STRONGLY and squarely AGAINST the

Repuke governors' union-busting in the Midwest states, although, come to think

of it, that would merely make him look like a truly DEMOCRATIC president

that was NORMALLY pro-labor.

[Tarheel_Dem]

44. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but not everyone agrees with your assessment.

Pres. Obama is not a "union boss". You guys elect & pay people huge sums of money to do what you're complaining about. If they're ineffective as "union" leaders, then you should vote 'em out, NO?

Is there any situation under the sun for which you guys won't find a reason to blame the president? Every supposedly "progressive" failure is a failure of this president. Stop blaming the White House for the failure of others. He is only one man.

There's a majority in the Senate, and the Progressive Caucus in the House. Have they stepped up to the plate? Have they been to WI to help you guys? One single man cannot be all things to all people. Where are the surrogates?

And pray tell, WTF is he supposed to do about "union busting Repuke governors"? Did you miss the fact that we lost the midterms? VERY BADLY? The president was out there campaigning his ass off, because he knew what was coming. But Democrats, of all stripes, allowed themselves to be convinced that they should be "disillusioned" because this president hadn't righted decades of wrongs and injustices, in his first 18 mos.

Get over yourself! If Tom Barrett loses tomorrow, it won't because of the DNC or Pres. Obama, it will be because one very influential family was able to buy the state for Scott Walker.

[whathehell]

48. No, and not everyone -- especially people who actually support unions -- agrees with you either

Get over YOURSELF...You're probably too young to remember

when unions were strong and Democrats worked for and WITH them,

instead of just giving them empty promises while they took their money at election time.

[Tarheel_Dem]

50. Oh, so President Obama was elected to hype unions and build their membership? Really?

I am not, nor have I ever been a Union Member. But then the South is not traditionally union territory. I have absolutely nothing against them. I admire what they do. But to lay their failures, and diminishing influence at the feet of one guy is just ludicrous.

"You're probably too young to remember"? Gee thanks.

[whathehell]

54. You don't understand that organized labor is a TRADITIONAL ALLY of the Democratic Party?

and that they are now the ONLY democratic institution they've been able to RELY

on for donations?...Being young, and coming from the South, I thought that might be the case.

It looks like you need to brush up on your history.

No one's "laying labor 'failures' at "the feet of one guy".

What I, and many other dems, are criticizing is the lack of HELP they are being given

from politicians who at ELECTION time, come begging for money and votes and then

let them down after they're elected.

[Tarheel_Dem]

59. Oh, and I certainly understand the ties between the Democratic Party and Unions.

We all know that. But what I'm having a problem with is that the union people here think that this president should be their mascot, or personal ambassador or something.

He's got other shit to do as well, ya know? I am in no way discounting the importance of unions on a whole range of issues that affect all of us, but I take exception to you guys setting up the president and the DNC to take the fall for what may turn out to be a huge embarrassment for the recall organizers.

Take that as you will.

[whathehell]

79. I'm taking it

like someone who know little about unions and is pretending to care about them, and btw,

the recall elections chances of being "a huge embarrassment for the recall organizers"

would be a hell of a lot LESS if the President did what he PROMISED during the campaign

which was to "Get out my comfortable shoes and walk a picket line with union workers"

Yeah, we all know he has "other shit to do as well",

but the rights of WORKING PEOPLE, not to mention Keeping Promises,

just happen to be a "big fucking deal".

[Tarheel_Dem]

82. Is there a picket line? You see there's the faction of WI organizers who told the president....

"stay away"; and then there's the faction like yourself who thought they were voting for a union boss. How does one win, when you guys can play sides against the middle?

[whathehell]

85. Um, there was more than a "picket line"

There was a huge UPRISING, for fuck's sake!

Where have YOU been?

I think you were doing better when you just admitted that you

didn't know anything about unions, their importance or place

in the party.

Maybe you should stick with idol worship and shrine building.

[Tarheel_Dem]

88. Did I admit that I "didn't know anything about unions"? I said, I've never been a member.

And why does your union membership give you more entree than any of the rest of us? Try Again! Since you're an expert, please tell us how much of the country is actually unionized now, as opposed to say when LBJ was president? And could you tell us the reason?

[whathehell]

90. Did I say that I was a union member?

Try again, LOL!

I can't tell you exactly the difference in numbers but I CAN tell you that

the attempt to destroy them started with Reagan and his Trickle Down Economics

which preceded his busting of the Air Traffic Controllers Union.

I can also tell you that when union membership was highest -- during the fifties and sixties,

the average CEO pay was, according to Pulitzer prize winning journalists Barlett & Steele, 60 times

what the pay of the Average Worker was, and that NOW the average CEO pay is 400 Times

what the average worker's pay is.....Does that tell you anything?

[JDPriestly]

74. One reason that Democrats aren't strong is the South is the lack of union members

in the South.

Unions and Democrats go together.

When I go out to campaign for Democrats and Democratic causes, I find that the union members are out in force way ahead of me. They get up earlier and work harder at electing Democrats than anyone else.

That is why Obama needs to work to get union support. The union members know how to campaign. When these people arrive at your door, you take one look and you feel respect for them.

Too bad you haven't had the opportunity to see union members working with the Democratic Party to elect candidates. It's quite an education.

[whathehell]

92. Thank you.....n/t

[BlueDemKev]

104. ...and a lack of an educated souls

[JDPriestly]

73. Democrats support unions.

Obama claims to be a Democrat. Why doesn't he support teachers' unions?

And Obama lost in 2010 because he didn't stand up and fight for Democratic values but rather capitulated to conservatives in both the Democratic and Republican parties.

So far, I'm happy to see Obama is fighting a bit harder this time around.

But he needs to fight in Wisconsin too. Barrett needs his support and needs that support to be loud and clear.

[Tarheel_Dem]

76. Oh please stop regurgitating wsws talking points. Ugh.

[Tarheel_Dem]

8. They blame the DNC? Who here sends money to the DNC? Have you seen the many posts.....

of people bragging that they told the DNC to take a hike? Where is this money supposed to come from? We can't spend the kind of money that the GOP and its shadow groups can. But I understand someone will have to take the blame for this, and I'm gonna guess it'll be the president and the DNC. Am I right?

[dionysus]

10. well it only took 7 posts for someone to preemptively blame Obama if the dem loses...

this IS DU, remember

[Tarheel_Dem]

13. That's exactly it. It's preemption. Some DU'er are setting the president up to take the fall....

for what could be a hugely embarrassing defeat for the recall. I wish the president were 51 people, that way he could get intimately involved in the everyday machinations of every state in the union. Scott Walker has gone all over the country, collecting millions of dollars from his friends.

If they've known all along that Barrett would be the Dem nominee, couldn't he have done that as well?

[flamingdem]

14. Good point, blaming Obama is weak and invalid, blame Koch money I suppose

I'm sorry to hear this is trending in Walker's favor. Bummer.

[dionysus]

25. first, people say he should stay out of it. now, if the dems lose it'll be his fault for not being

involved. he gets to be blamed either way. unless, of course, barrett wins; then he had nothing to do with it...

[Tarheel_Dem]

62. Were you in on the planning meetings? Sounds the critics are prepared for any contingency.

Sad, but true. Blame Obama if Walker wins, but if Barrett manages to beat the odds, Obama had nothing to do with it. That's some messaging strategy ya got there!

[JDPriestly]

28. The president will take the fall, like it or not.

A win in Wisconsin will embolden Republicans and make them feel invincible.

To the contrary, a loss in Wisconsin will discourage Democrats and depress us.

Winning in Wisconsin is the key to an Obama victory in November. If Obama doesn't care about unions, working people and local government in Wisconsin, what in the world does he care about?

Same for the DNC.

Obama should have been out there working for the working people of Wisconsin way back last winter.
The DNC and the unions need to put some muscle into the Wisconsin race -- lots of it.

If Obama wants to win in November, he has to understand that the people's movement in Wisconsin is his movement. Democrats have to win in Wisconsin if Obama wants to win in November.

The only way Obama can bring Hope to Democrats is to help the people of Wisconsin win their state back.

Has Obama been raptured by DC and the hot-shot international set that hob-nob there?

[Tarheel_Dem]

45. President Obama and the DNC didn't recall Scott Walker.

[nashville_brook]

49. just wondering...were WI Dems wrong (in your opinion) for recalling Scott Walker?

[Tarheel_Dem]

53. Not at all. They should have, and they did. What I'm objecting to is the preemptive blame game,

in case he's reelected. This was a WI issue that came to national prominence, by way of people like Ed Schultz. I don't think the DNC can be blamed for not being able to match The Koch Bros., dollar for dollar. This is personal for the Koch Bros, and they'll spend every dime they have to ensure Walker's reelection.

The DNC has a responsibility to put its dollars where they feel they have some reasonable chance of a return on that investment. Unlike Republican groups, thanks to Citizens United, we don't have the luxury of throwing money at every brushfire that party activists scream about.

Let me ask you, are you a dues paying member of the DNC? Or are you one of those who come here to brag that they just cussed out some poor volunteer, calling on behalf of the DNC?

[nashville_brook]

93. so, b/c the DNC doesn't have the $ the Koch's have, they shouldn't help?

that doesn't make any sense, especially since Walker's polling is going as his campaign spending increases.

[Tarheel_Dem]

94. Please point out to me where I said, "they shouldn't help". Please?

[JDPriestly]

71. And they haven't stood tall by the working people of Wisconsin, most of whom are

staunch Democrats, who want to recall Scott Walker.

The recall election has not taken place yet. Are you predicting the outcome of that election?

President Obama defends Wall Street but can't help defend the working people in Wisconsin. Says a lot.

[Tarheel_Dem]

75. Says about as much as your ridiculous hyperbole. "Defending Wall St" is a term used by certain....

individuals who are desparately trying to recreate the 2010 midterms, and I'll leave it at that.

[0rganism]

123. perception is politics

It doesn't matter how much of a hand Obama takes in the recall, he's hitched to it by association.

If (and likely when) Walker wins, it's the single biggest victory for the GOP before November. The RW media is going to parade the victorious Walker around like the golden calf, and give him a major speaking slot at their national convention. The tea party reactionaries will be energized all over again for the national election.

Conversely, the Wisconsin Democrats will have to suck it up, and prepare for another 2 years of GOP domination. I think we can agree that Obama's re-election campaign would have liked to have Wisconsin's electoral votes, right? Well good luck energizing the base after a failed recall, never mind Walker and his cohorts rigging the election laws. Boots on the ground? more like a boot to the head.

I wouldn't be so quick to dissociate Obama's success from that of the rest of the party. The same forces that are sinking big money into Wisconsin's recall politics will be doing the same thing to the national election from June through October. Don't think they won't have an effect.

[Tarheel_Dem]

124. "perception is politics". True, but......

Could it possibly be the candidate himself? I mean, he already lost once, right? Whose fault was it then? President Obama? The DNC? The Democrats who sat on their "disillusioned" hands in the midterms? The unions who got suckered & backed Walker over Barrett, and now regret it? Who?

This smells wrong. I agree with dionysus, this is the preemptive blame game. If by chance, Barrett pulls this out (and I hope like hell he does), the organizers get to take the credit. If, on the other hand, he loses, Pres. Obama & the DNC get the blame. Do I have that right?

We're Democrats. I don't know that we have two super wealthy brothers who can just write a check, and buy the state of WI. And while I agree that a loss will certainly have a psychological effect, come November, WI Democrats will just have to make up their minds if they want a repeat of 2010.

I get so sick of coming here and having Democrats beat up, by people who may or not be members of the Democratic Party.

[JDPriestly]

32. The point is not to blame Obama but to recognize what effect on Obama's

re-election chances a defeat in Wisconsin would mean.

I think that a Walker win in Wisconsin following that massive Republican swing in the House in 2010 would bode very, very, very, very badly for the Obama campaign. In fact, it would be a death knell.

The Republicans know how significant the Walker recall is for the November election. If the DNC and Obama haven't figured that out, they don't deserve to head the Democratic Party.

Howard Dean would have understood -- instinctively. Obama rode to victory in 2008 on the energy and ideas of Howard Dean combined with those of his own team.

If he snubs that grassroots movement in Wisconsin, he kills hope for many, many a Democrat whose support he needs in November.

Obama and the DNC need to get on the job in Wisconsin.

[Tarheel_Dem]

80. Spare me the armchair punditry. Obama's not to blame for the disastrous midterms.

The voters are. And you know what? I find it really rich, and a bit of poetic justice, that the people of WI who got sucked in by Walker, and reportedly even some Unions who are now adamantly against him, threw their support behind him, until they found out he was going after THEIR jobs. The midterms was that awful period where the PL was telling us all how "disillusioned" we should be because President Obama hadn't cured cancer, and waterboarded Dick Cheney in his first 18 mos.

A thread like this, where the president and the party is cast in a negative light gets tons of responses, while folks like you never show up to support the positive. That's a problem, and I don't think it's by accident.

"If he snubs that grassroots movement in Wisconsin,"

President Obama is not the only Democrat in the country. Where are the surrogates? Where are the hundreds of congress critters? Former presidents could also help in this mission. Popular democratic governors could help out. Why is this one man expected to save everybody's bacon?

[whathehell]

83. Why don't you just declare

Obama to be an unaccountable god and put up a shrine?

[Tarheel_Dem]

86. Because he isn't?

[whathehell]

91. I wouldn't know it from your posts, LOL.

[Tarheel_Dem]

95. And from your posts, I can certainly see where you're coming from. LOL.

You better believe it!

[whathehell]

115. Good...

Hopefully you will learn something from them. LOL

[Tarheel_Dem]

118. I certainly did. However, it probably wasn't the lesson you thought you were teaching.

[whathehell]

119. Probably not...

Remedial education can only go so far.

[Tarheel_Dem]

120. U Better Believe It!

[whathehell]

121. Oh yeah, your rapier wit is killing me!

No offense, bro, but you might be better off playing in the shallow end of the pool.

Goodbye and good luck!

[Tarheel_Dem]

122. OKay.....

I'll be over here in the shallow end -------------------------------->>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[JDPriestly]

89. Actually, I show up all the time.

I belong to my local Democratic Club and participate -- participated in an event last weekend as a matter of fact.

Do you belong to your local Democratic Club? Because if you don't I hope you will join.

[whathehell]

31. Well, no one, I'm sure!

The DNC is a down at the heels organization that is pleading poverty at the moment.

[Tarheel_Dem]

47. They are pleading poverty. I was called recently and was unable to help because I had just....

paid several thousand dollars in taxes, and spent nearly $4500 with the dentist. So, yes, they need money.

And I'll remember your rolling eyes the next time I see a post here pissing on the poor DNC volunteers who do the thankless work of calling up to ask for help, and some asshole bragging that they told 'em to go fuck themselves.

People here get to throw their little hissyfits, and then bitch that the DNC can't match the KOCH BROS. dollar for dollar? I mean, WTF?

Right back atcha!

[whathehell]

56. I see that you have an even bigger problem than I thought

if you think that organizations asking for money do so only because they are "poor"

And since you've admitted you know next to nothing about labor unions and the HUGE

part they've played in democratic history, how 'bout not twisting things and throwing YOUR

no-nothing little "hissyfit", bitching to ME about things you know SQUAT about?

[rucky]

134. I send my money right to the source

Ian's Pizza

[Lint Head]

12. What's happening with the criminal investigations of this creep? Why is that not being

publicized more?

[newspeak]

16. it seems that the people of wisconsin love a narcissistic, power hungry

anti-labor koch arse smooching poser. And it also shows that any domestic, foreign greedhead can pour mass quantities of money into any corrupt, despots campaign and that tool will win. Right? We still vote, so it's the voters who fall in line to vote for these cretins.

After little boot's second win (even though there was election fraud in places like ohio), I don't have much faith in the american public to protect their interests or the countries. Ooooh, the country is going into a shite hole; but some people here knew at least two years before it happened. We discussed cheney's and little boot's corporate and wealth give away. Starting wars while cutting taxes. Further deregulation, especially in the financial sector, which further hurt the american people. The corruption and greed is staggering; but, we still have some of the public, apparently still gulping the kool aid, and actually believe that the media tells the truth.

After citizens united ruling-if money trumps everything; then the american people already have lost. The one per centers can just let the curtain fall and expose their ugly little secret, that they've always been in control and they no longer need us to vote. Wisconsin is a test, a test to see if the people's interest still counts or outside money can so easily sway people to vote against their own interest.

[Arugula Latte]

107. One guess ....

The media is corporate-owned. The bigwigs love them some union-busting rightwing creep. That's it in a nutshell.

[Poiuyt]

109. They just gave another person immunity in the case - that's a good sign.

As for why it's not being publicized more? Well, it would be nice to have more money to buy the ads (Hello? DNC?)

[Lint Head]

110. Need to make a video that will go viral on YouTube.

[jn2375]

17. Poll is a 1 day robo call taken on mothers day by Il Manu assoc who has given millions to GOP

Saw this tweeted by Greg Sargeant from the Plum Line

[mvd]

130. Thanks for pointing that out

Lead does seem artificially big.

[Initech]

18. People hate that man yet are still willing to vote for him - WTF?

Is this like Stockholm syndrome or something? He is one of the worst governor in America - yet people want to keep him ruining... er running things. Have the Koch Brothers just bought Wisconsin or what?

[guardian]

19. I don't believe it.

There is NO way that poll is accurate. Not after the wonderful turnout and the WI capitol building. The right wing must be manipulating the polls again.

[Myrina]

22. That's my guess, too ...

Trying to discourage voters or fire up the "lemming" mentality ("oh well, everyone else is going to vote to keep him, I may as well too ...")

Fucking Republicans.

[truebrit71]

70. I'd have to agree....

....

[whathehell]

81. It seems suspect to me too...

The Repuke Mofos will do ANYTHING to keep their lapdog, Walker.

[Doctor_J]

20. I think the reason the WH and DNC aren't in is because it's a lost cause.

there was never any real chance for this to work, period. Between hate radio, Big Media, voter purges, and the hatred/mistrust of labor by a lot of DINOs, the recall was probably 100-1 shot a priori.

Many DUers light into me when I say things like the camping out in Madison make the participants feel good but are pretty useless. But it's true nevertheless. If you want to take the country back start with a really serious effort to get the media back.

[whathehell]

36. Bullshit...

Especially with the new tape that SHOWS Walker telling a billionaire that his

"plan for the unions was divide and conquer".

I suspect the lack of interest from the WH and DNC in organized labor (they're only reliablly democratic institutional doner, btw)

is just another sign of "blue dog" complicity with Wall St. and corporate donors.

The Wisconsin uprising came as a COMPLETE surprise and was news all over the world.

[Doctor_J]

40. Thanks for verifying my hypotheses

The Wisconsin uprising came as a COMPLETE surprise and was news all over the world.

And accomplished nothing, which was my point.

No media realignment => no change

[whathehell]

52. Bullshit, again...

And "accomplished nothing"?...What garbage!

They've accomplished a LOT, for one thing, they've given the first real hope to workers EVERYWHERE

that they don't have to sit passively and take "whatever" Big Corporate chooses to give them,

so much so that the workers in Ohio RESCINDED the anti-labor law Repuke Governor Kasich

passed....If Walker goes down, it will be only the THIRD time in American history that a governor was recalled.

You sound like you you don't know SHIT about organized labor or what it's done for this country.

[newspeak]

39. okay, I agree with we need to take back the media

I don't really mind that the corporate media arseholes pay limpballs millions of dollars to spew his illogical, most of the time lying BS. What I mind, is he doesn't have an equal counter to his shite right there. Instead of a bully on the airwaves selecting calls, we need someone there in the room debating his shite. But, the corporate masters won't allow that. No, can't have the plebes thinking. That's what bothers me.

[Doctor_J]

41. that's why reclaiming it is going to be extremely messy

think "skin in the same"

Not that I think this is actually going to happen. We have shown for 20 years that we'd rather live on our knees than die on our feet. Don't want to be "just as bad as they are"...well, when we live in a complete fascist state, hopefully the high roaders can sleep knowing that they let it happen.

[JDPriestly]

77. "skin in the game."

If any group has put skin in the game, it's the people who stood out in the freezing winter weather to stand for democracy.

They deserve every bit of support that they can be given. Unfortunately, Obama hasn't supported them as he should have.

[Doctor_J]

114. Exactly. Protestors have plenty of skin in the game

Hate Radio, Big Media, Cock Bros - not so much. We need to change that imbalance to start the climb back.

[whathehell]

127. +100

[Release The Hounds]

23. No surprise here.

The Walker signs have been popping up like crazy the past few weeks.

[BlueDemKev]

24. That's too bad

This is very unfortunate news, but what can you do? We can't force people to listen to us. Sometimes you just have to let voters shoot themselves in the foot before they'll learn.

[JDPriestly]

26. If Walker loses and the DNC has not supported the Wisconsin Democrats with all they

have got, Obama will have a hard time in November. Republicans will be emboldened, and Democrats across the nation will be disillusioned and fed up with the DNC.

The DNC had better wake up on this one. We out here in California are watching.

[DontTreadOnMe]

33. I agree, the Walker Recall is a bellweather for the Nov. Election

If Obama is NOT directly getting involved and the DNC is not helping out as MUCH AS THEY CAN... then YES, the Obama Admin is at fault for any loss in the Walker Recall.

The policies that Walker has shoved through IS the Repug agenda that All Dems should be fighting. This is an important battle!

If Walker wins, other Repug governors will be emboldened to pass the same type of policies.

Say it again. If Walker wins -- I will gladly place blame on the DNC and Obama.

[Ikonoklast]

42. You blaming Obama? Imagine that!

[whathehell]

58. Exactly!

and pay no attention to the geniuses here who don't know about Labor's place in Democratic politics.

[bluedigger]

37. I hope this is just rigged polling data.

But I have to question the wisdom of Wisconsin Democrats in running a person the voters have already rejected once. If they fail to repeal Walker, they should start with that, before blaming national politics.

[BlueDemKev]

46. Tom Barrett

You have a point, but the fact is that Barrett would have won in 2010 had more progressives gone out to vote. Barrett received more than a half-million votes LESS than Barack Obama did in 2008, while Walker received barely 100,000 votes less than John McCain did. While certainly some of Obama's votes were from "swing" voters who turned around and voted for Walker two years later, it's a fair assessment that apathy among progressives was the decisive factor.

The point is this....I cannot imagine there are a whole lot of Barrett voters from 2010 who would be willing to switch their support to Walker now. This means, Barrett should win if progressives simply get out and vote this time. But they don't appear to be doing so. After all that Scott Walker has done to working class folks in Wisconsin, one would expect every progressive in the state to be camping outside their voting sites a week ahead of time! President Obama should not have to go and beg these folks to get their asses to the polls on June 5!

[bluedigger]

55. So your case is that Barrett lost last time because he had less votes?

But this time will be different? Maybe. Or maybe not.

Okay. I hope you are right. I think.

[BlueDemKev]

101. He lost because too many progressives STAYED HOME

Not going out to vote is essentially giving a vote to your opponent.

[Scuba]

43. Their site gives no indication of who was polled, where or how.

If they called land lines in Waukesha County they'll get a different result than asking People on the Street in Spooner.

[DallasNE]

51. Not Sure What Is Happening In Wisconsin

But that poll does have a couple of red flags considering we have known that Barrett would be the Democrat for less than a week.

First off, there is no way that only 5% are undecided at this early point in the race. Second, only 5% are not planning to vote. Neither of those numbers can be trusted. Anyway, time will tell. Recall elections are different too.

[loudsue]

57. The Labor Unions nation wide need to step up and take hold in a big way.

The labor unions AND the dem party are fully infiltrated with republicans, because people are people and bend to money in this nation, rather than principal.

Republicans are like a cancer, and I'm afraid this nation has matasticized.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

60. At the risk of pointing out the obvious, would it help Obama if he would call the DNC and

ask them to get more involved?

Would this increase his chances of winning Wisconsin in November?

Doesn't someone on his staff have the DNC's phone number?

Or are there those who would say that this is something that he should not be involved with?

[malaise]

64. Bullshit

That poll is bogus

[Thrill]

66. The polls were never showing him losing

Not sure why money is being spent here.

Stop listening to Ed Schultz

[Citizen Worker]

67. I'm not at all surprised. The democrats co-opted the movement, channeled their energy into a recall

campaign and now has abandoned them. As Chris Hedges says, "the democratic party is where social movements go to die." Yep, not at all surprised. Beware and on guard OWS lest this happen to you!

[bluestate10]

99. Contributions to Barrett. ACTBlue is a strong democratic fundraising organization

that supports progressive and moderate democrats.

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/download-plan-to-defeat-walker?refcode=0513&amount=contribute what you can afford

[Cal33]

112. I no longer use a credit card. What's the Post Office address to send a check to? Thanks.

[milwaukeelib33]

84. Election Fatigue

That term was bandied about her in WI, and was mostly dismissed citing the massive energy within the protests and recall process. Now I'm beginning to think there's something to it. Since the petition were turned in a few months ago, things seem to have gotten stagnant. Sure, for those tuned in it's being covered heavily by the media, but I believe many have tuned out. It's been a constant, grueling election cycle since early 2010 with no end in sight. Now we're heading into summer. People are planning summer vacations. Kids are out of school soon. It's almost like the state is taking a break from politics for awhile.

What we need is Wanker and his cohorts in the legislature to drop another bomb to get people energized in opposition again. But, that isn't happening as the legislature is out of session until fall, and Wanker has been lying so low as to barely even be in the state.

This is a very close race. No way Wanker is up 9 points. I believe there are very few undecideds on this election we can sway to our side, something the campaigns are acknowledging. The main focus has to be getting the GOTV plans rolling, which is something the state Dem party is feverishly working on.

[BlueDemKev]

106. Definitely--GOTV is the KEY

Too many progressives stayed home 18 months ago which is why Walker got elected in the first place. We have to have every last left-of-center individual and union member registered to vote and in the voting booth on June 5 if we are to win this.

[markpkessinger]

96. Tell the DNC what you think!

Here's a link:

http://my.democrats.org/page/s/contact-the-democrats

And here is the message I sent:

I would like to know why, exactly, the DNC has failed to get behind the effort to recall Scott Walker in Wisconsin? This effort has ramifications for organized labor nationwide! Until the DNC addresses this deficiency, NO Democratic candidate will get another dime from me!

[RBInMaine]

98. Absolute bullshit robo-poll. Others have the momentum going toward the Dem. BULLSHIT POLL !

It would never be this far apart. What CRAP ! A bullshit Republicans push poll.

[bluestate10]

100. Impossible to believe that Walker is ahead after the devide and conquer

video and Walker's criminal problems. Robo polls are suspect, people that are willing to blast their views sit by their phone for such polls. Take them with a grain of salt, in particular when a republican stooge organization is running the poll.

[BlueDemKev]

103. Scott Walker's Fundraising Letter (Get Your Barf Bag)

Here is Scott Walker's fundraising letter sent out on Friday to townhall.com members. Apparently, he's raking in the dough now....

Dear Friend,

This is it. The Wisconsin Recall election is less than four weeks away.

The liberal special interests and Washington insiders have sworn to spend tens of millions of dollars to defeat me. I need your help right now to beat back this senseless Recall. Will you stand with me today?

For more than a generation in Wisconsin, the power of special interests and the liberal elite have gone largely unchecked. My Administration finally stood up to them, and we changed the way we do things in government in Wisconsin.

That’s why my opponents are so desperate to defeat me in this Recall. They want to roll back the clock and take us back to the days of skyrocketing taxes, bloated budgets, and unchecked and unaccountable spending. We cannot let that happen.

The moment I became Governor, I set about the work that the people of Wisconsin sent me to do. We eliminated the deficit left by my Democrat predecessor. We gave the freedom of choice to public employees. Our reforms have allowed public employees to decide if they would like to spend (in some cases more than a thousand dollars a year in dues) or keep their hard earned money. We finally put the control of state government back where it belongs, in the hands of the people.

I kept my promises to the voters here in Wisconsin. I didn’t raise taxes. We have not had massive lay offs of state workers. Our reforms have balanced the budget and lowered the unemployment rate to a level unseen since 2008.

Now I need you to help me tell the out-of-state special interests that we do not want another tax-and-spend liberal in charge here in Wisconsin.

This Recall is not just about Wisconsin, it is about the cause of reform across this country. It is about deciding what kind of country we are going to be for generations to come. We must send a message that we can and will live within our means. We must not hand power back to a small group of special interests and let them run state governments into the ground across this great nation.

When we defeat this baseless Recall, it will send a powerful statement across our country about the kind of government we want to have and the bold reforms that will get us there.

We have less than a month to go. I need your help--not tomorrow, not next week, but right now.

Today, I ask you to stand with me so I can continue to stand up for hard working taxpayers. Together, we can defeat this Recall and make history - in Wisconsin and across the country.

Sincerely,

Scott Walker
Governor

[progressoid]

108. Well, we should get Rahm in there to fix this.

[BklnDem75]

111. Isn't 'We ask America' a conservative robopollster?

Schultz expressed doubts about the results of this poll, as well.

[GusFring]

113. seems like they should be mad at voters

[whathehell]

116. ATTENTION: Everyone upset with the DNC for LACK of Support for Walker Recall, Please CONTACT below.

http://my.democrats.org/page/s/contact-the-democrats.

I was listening to Ed Schultz today and people were calling in furious with the DNC for

ducking this one....At least two people said they were CALLING the office, expressing their outrage

and demanding that they throw in some money for this Recall

How dare they approach Labor to subsidize their national elections and then do SQUAT

when it comes time to give back?...This is a HUGELY important election,

because Walker, Kasich, Snyder and Rick Scott are ALL warring on workers..If we

let Walker win, that's the "GO" sign for the Right to take away collective

bargaining rights in the public AND private sphere.

I call on DU to let them know where you stand!

[blaze]

125. link not working nt

[whathehell]

126. This should do it..If not, google "Democratic National Committee" and go to "Contact" page.

http://my.democrats.org/page/s/contact-the-democrats

[blaze]

128. Thanks!

That worked!

Put in my 2 cents.

[whathehell]

132. You're welcome!...Hopefully,

the outpouring from Dems will get them to do more than offer the measly "token"

support they've offered up til now.

As of yesterday morning, signon.org reported 100,000 signature

from pissed off Dems urging them to support the recall.

[mvd]

129. What is the DNC thinking? The general election has a ways to go, and..

money can be spent. Barrett lacks funds. We need to send a message and defeat Walker.

[whathehell]

131. I agree absolutely and

I'm disgusted with the DNC for their lack of all but token support

for the Recall....I hope they don't expect a DIME from me in

the way of donations.

As of yesterday morning signon.org had gathered 100,000 petions

from Democrats urging them to fully SUPPORT the Recall.

I hate to say it, but I feel this says a LOT of how they really

feel about organized labor and gives credence,

in my view, to the theory of "two wings of the same corporate party",

something I didn't hesitate to mention when I contacted them earlier .

[mvd]

133. Sadly, the DNC does rub me the wrong way with this

Appreciate your efforts and hope we still pull it out.

[whathehell]

139. Thanks...It's really for all of us....We all need

to contact them and let them know what we want from them.

As it happens, I do live in northern Illinois, close to the border

with Wisconsin, so I'm I'm going up there over the weekend

to knock on some doors and answer some phones.

We all do what we can, so thanks for all you do too!

[Zax2me]

135. BS!

Sounds like a Faux poll.

[fascisthunter]

136. I Guess the DNC is anti-Union

sorry, but I prefer ACTION over words. looks like there is a lot of weeding out to do, and that this "tent" is a bit too large.