Bernie Sanders had this to say regarding the shooting.

[PotatoChip]

[uppityperson]

1. Way. K&r

[lovemydog]

2. Thank you.

[daleanime]

3. K&R.....

[billhicks76]

183. FOX News A Terrorist Organization

They fuel this. Anti-Terror laws should be used against them more than anyone.

[bigwillq]

4. K and R (nt)

[Romulox]

5. Thank you for posting this. nt

[still_one]

6. I think that is a pretty standard reaction. What will be enlightening though is how

many of the candidates call it the racism it is as Bernie just did

[erronis]

20. Which makes it non-"standard" as you call it.

Most of the other candidates will tip-toe around this talking about societal problems but being very careful not to offend the racists or the fanatics.

Thank you Bernie for being Bernie.

[daleanime]

28. +1

[PatrynXX]

65. which is what Nikki Haley just did

face palm

[George II]

119. Why don't we wait to see what they all say before deciding what they'll say?

[Scuba]

143. Don't be silly. Wild speculation is such a useful and fun-filled technique.

[George II]

151. Wild, and more often than not, wrong

[still_one]

150. Probably

[maddiemom]

157. I understand that some right wing outlets were saying it was not a racial thing,

but probably an anti-Christian thing. (Fox? Just sayin' what I heard broadcast on liberal radio). Does sound like something the ridiculous "Christian persecution" people would say.

[Voice for Peace]

167. yes indeedy... they had a black pastor on to say it was probably an attack on christians

"because of our biblical beliefs."

[maddiemom]

194. Interesting that there would be a black pastor identifying more as a "Christian"

in terms of being persecuted. This persecuted Christian thing is so insane; as if they are about to be thrown into an arena with lions (or Muslims or Atheists or anyone who doesn't buy into right wing Christianity). I had a "Christian" friend whose late husband, by her own admission, used to sell pornographic material (no reflection on her), but I finally had to respond, with little patience to her complaint that Christians were being vilified. She was one of the nicest women I've ever known, and was involved in seriously helping activities due to her beliefs. Nonetheless, as many publicly vocal "Christians" seem to feel, other religious beliefs or disagreements with their philosophy equates not just another way of belief, but outright vilification of Christianity. Jesus (accepted as a prophet, if not the son of God by both Jews and Muslims) can have other names, and has throughout different cultures.

[maddiemom]

195. Interesting that there would be a black pastor identifying more as a "Christian"

in terms of being persecuted. This persecuted Christian thing is so insane; as if they are about to be thrown into an arena with lions (or Muslims or Atheists or anyone who doesn't buy into right wing Christianity). I had a "Christian" friend whose late husband, by her own admission, used to sell pornographic material (no reflection on her), but I finally had to respond, with little patience to her complaint that Christians were being vilified. She was one of the nicest women I've ever known, and was involved in seriously helping activities due to her beliefs. Nonetheless, as many publicly vocal "Christians" seem to feel, other religious beliefs or disagreements with their philosophy equates not just another way of belief, but outright vilification of Christianity. Jesus (accepted as a prophet, if not the son of God by both Jews and Muslims) can have other names, and has throughout different cultures.

[Voice for Peace]

196. whineybutts

:p

[sabrina 1]

26. So far he is the only one who called it 'racism'. So that's makes it non-standard, sadly.

[whatchamacallit]

74. "Not good enough, Bernie!"

Hil must be waiting for her staff to craft a statement.

[Voice for Peace]

168. waiting to see what Sanders says first..

[sabrina 1]

192. Actually she did make a statement, but did not call it racism. I noticed this on the MSM also

they seem very reluctant to use that word even when it's blatantly obvious.

[Fast Walker 52]

7. yes, well said

[Doctor_J]

8. hopefully he or someone else will mention fox news and hate radio and the nra

They are all contributors to this.

[bettyellen]

10. I hope they will - but like abortion our politicians seem to be totally chickenshit about using some

Words. Stinks!

[Nay]

59. Yep, and this is why Bernie is cleaning all their clocks. And he's just gotten started. nt

[bettyellen]

60. I hope he speaks up about the war on women's reproductive rights again soon.

I think it was really disappointing for him to not make even a mention of it when speaking in Wisconsin.

[JDPriestly]

94. Bernie has been talking about women's rights and racism all his life.

It is easy for a candidate to read the litany of our current problems including racism and women's rights in every speech. And Bernie does mention them.

But it takes more than reading the litany to solve problems. In his speeches, Bernie does not just list the areas in which he proposes change, he suggests solutions, policies and laws that he proposes to achieve the change.

Insuring women's rights means forming a grass-roots movement that elects not just Bernie to the White House but advocates for women's rights to the Congress.

Planned Parenthood does a good job advocating for women's rights, but how many Americans are fooled by right-win propaganda into opposing Planned Parenthood BECAUSE OF ITS ADVOCACY FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS.

Bill Clinton was in the White House for eight years. Those were fairly good years for abortion rights but bad years for women on welfare who have young children and can only earn low incomes.

The primary campaign has really just begun. Bernie wants grass-roots input into his campaign. Why don't you ask him to mention women's rights more in his speeches? Maybe he will give a specific speech on it.

Just mentioning women's rights in speeches is not enough for any of the candidates. Lip service has been paid for a long time. And the action has been going against women's rights.

Wars are not good for women's rights. I want a president who understands that when the economy is geared to war, all kinds of things women want and need like child care, equal pay for equal work, abortion and other medical rights, etc. get put on the shelf. So we need a peace president first and foremost. Someone who will protect Americans but shift some of the cost of preserving peace on other countries that have strong military forces or could have them.

[bettyellen]

118. Isn't it a bit odd you 1) assume I'm happy with lip service 2) lecturing me like this?

(Wow- women's reproductive rights have been rolled back- Gosh! thanks for the info!!!)
3) telling me other things are more important than the right to govern my own body.

I know you didn't mean to do any of that. Just some things for you to consider.

[JDPriestly]

128. I've said what I have to say. I do not mean to lecture but rather to point to facts without

being offensive.

I think that we are all on the same side for the most part on DU.

We differ on strategy in some ways.

I think that offending whole classes of people based on the class they belong to may not be the most productive way to achieve the change we really want.

The right to govern our own bodies is important to us women, but we have to persuade men that it is important to them too. Otherwise, we don't have the votes we need in our democracy. Belligerent attitudes, obsessions only with our own concerns, will not get us the votes we have to have.

So when we fight, we have to have solidarity with others who are fighting similar fights. We need their support. They need ours.

The best way to persuade people to provide mutual support is to demonstrate how the struggles that we as different groups are really one struggle for a better life for all of us.

Let's take the issue of prison and sentencing reform. This issue is paramount in communities in which large numbers of people are imprisoned and in families in which a member is imprisoned. But it is also an issue for all who pay taxes or who have other interests like education, etc. What is the uniting factor, the factor that can unite those who are concerned about our unacceptably high incarceration numbers and the costs of prisons? Economics. Economic issues.

Let's take the various issues of personal human rights, same-sex marriage, abortion, free speech, freedom of religion. Every one of us relies on one or more of these rights at some point in our lives. These are not necessarily economic issues, but economic power is essential for us if we are to defend these rights. The Republican, conservative strategy is to limit our economic strength to the point that we cannot defend our civil rights, our personal liberties. If you and I are to donate to Planned Parenthood or NOW, etc., whether we can earn a wage that provides us with enough discretionary income to give that donation determines what kind of movement we can have to defend our rights.

So economic issues really are central. They unite us. And they enable us to contribute to the struggle to defend our rights.

As Clinton said in his campaign in 1992: "It's the economy, stupid."

The economic issues are the most important because they are central to forming the movement or movements we need to really change society.

Why do you think the oligarchs want so much to grab everything? Because grabbing everything gives them power. Economic power is the basis for other power. That is especially true today in the era of big media and big communication. Economic power and independence are necessary if we are to protect our fundamental non-economic rights.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say this.

[bettyellen]

136. I get it. You are not shunting it aside, but I do see it happen here.

And it's a huge turn off.
The stupidity of describing women and POC here as trolls (which didn't seem to get any pushback in the Sanders group) is incredibly stupid. It makes me wonder if those same people are the ones hoping for more Rw support and this is part of it for them.
But I get what you are saying- and honestly would just like to see Bernie stump more about women's issues. That is all. Thanks for listening without accusing me of being a Hillary shill. My vote is a long way from being in the bag. It matters.

[smokey nj]

142. Bernie gets a 100% rating from NARAL on abortion issues.

Your posts about this a both dishonest and ignorant.

[merrily]

189. Yes. We're in a smear-rich environment, though, which usually means a fact-free environment.

He's also rated F by the NRA, which indicates a pro gun control record.

Besides, it seems odd, coming from people who have been lecturing liberals for years with lies about ponies, purists and single issue voting. (As if there were ever any President with whom I agree on every issue but one.)

Also odd from those who dismiss Hillary's Iraq invasion advocacy as "just one vote, so long ago." Ccongress AND states can regulate guns, subject to the Siupreme Court, but states can't stop Congress from voting for a trumped up war.

[niyad]

9. k and r

[onehandle]

11. Guns are the primary physical tool of racism.

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[Fred Sanders]

12. Gun lovers and racists are the primary tools of Fox.

[erronis]

24. Like that. You could add several other qualifiers

but I'd get in trouble again. I might say something like fat white male slobs with little education, but I won't. Besides, there are plenty of racist/etc. females that fit the mold.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

25. ^ n/t

[calimary]

105. You won't get an argument outta me on that.

That's THEIR church. And they'll find plenty of fellowship and comfort and solidarity and sympathy and validation there, too.



HEY SUPREME COURT!!!! Care to revisit that whole "we're POST-RACIAL now!" thing?

[uponit7771]

153. +1

[cali]

21. in the hands of cops. And much as we need more effective gun control, it wouldn't solve

that. Do you have any statistics proving your claim as regards the public?

The primary tools and engines of racism are institutions, from private business to police departments to the Death Penalty.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

31. This event has devolved into the same tired gun parroting on other forums I'm reading....

Including gun enthusiasts claiming if the people in the church had guns it never would have happened.

[LittleBlue]

106. No, denial of opportunity is the primary tool of racism. nt

[Scuba]

145. +1 Guns are just an enforcement tool.

[pnwmom]

13. I wish he had said something about the need for better gun control.

But that wouldn't be in keeping with his voting record. He voted against the Brady law after Jim Brady was shot.

[cherokeeprogressive]

15. Way to go. Feel better?

[LondonReign2]

30. Oh, you poor thing

Hopefully things will look up for you

[GoneOffShore]

35. ...

[frylock]

41. can you link to Clinton's statement where she addresses that kplzthx?

[Divernan]

92. What's the turnaround time for her focus group?

Does she EVER trust her own instinct to know the right thing to say?

[frylock]

95. Clinton has tweeted her condolences. No mention of gun control.

"Heartbreaking news from Charleston - my thoughts and prayers are with you all. -H"

[Divernan]

103. An all pupose tweet!?! w/ words from a Hallmark card?

How statesmanlike - NOT! Reminds me of the book of standardized responses provided to legislative aides. Just fill in a few blanks. "Heartbreaking news from (fill in the blank) - my thoughts and prayers are with you all. -H"

[LondonReign2]

156. Yup, she managed to say nothing

[truebrit71]

42. Sure, let's use this occasion and his statement of sympathy to bash Bernie.

Truly, and utterly classless.

[pnwmom]

43. Bernie is wrong on gun control and this is a reason why. n/t

[truebrit71]

48. So you think gun control would have prevented this?

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Interesting.

But please, don't let me stop you from shitting all over this thread and Senator Sanders heartfelt statement in regards to this horrific tragedy...

[DanTex]

152. Probably. If you are truly a Brit, then you understand that.

[truebrit71]

159. I am most truly a Brit....but I don't understand how gun control could have prevented this....

He got the gun from his father....

[DanTex]

161. Well, in the UK, for example, it would have been illegal to buy this, or any other handgun.

That's one big reason why the homicide rate in the UK is like 25% of what it is in the US.

[truebrit71]

162. True. However, that is comparing apples to oranges...

...the UK doesn't have the same gun culture that the USA has, so banning guns in the USA to get down to the same level of gun ownership in the UK is a non-starter.

Hence my suggestion that gun control wouldn't have helped in this scenario.

[DanTex]

163. Yeah, but places like Canada, Australia, etc. have gun cultures.

True, passing a gun law two days ago wouldn't have helped. It's obviously a long term thing. Kind of like switching over the health care system that resembles the rest of the civilized world, getting our gun problem under control won't happen overnight either.

[truebrit71]

164. Indeed...

...and that road will be even tougher to hoe than the healthcare one...

[Admiral Loinpresser]

187. They had a gun culture in Australia, but changed.

Probably not nearly as strong as here. But they did a 180 on gun control.

[Joe Chi Minh]

169. Yes. Provided it had been enacted, say, 100 years ago.

[frylock]

96. How would the Brady Bill have prevented this tragedy?

[KittyWampus]

72. I wonder how many people upset at "using this occasion" defended NYC_SKP

and objected to his banning.

Because it was after just this sort of tragedy that he intentionally choose to post vile, inflammatory pro-gun crap. After not one but several tragic mass shooting incidents.

[cui bono]

149. NYC_SKP was banned for gun/shooting issues/comments?

[morningfog]

45. I wish Hillary would comment on every dead Iraqi.

Get lost with that bullshit.

[arcane1]

61. Pimping those freshly dead bodies just to take a dishonest cheap shot at Sanders?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[SaranchaIsWaiting]

81. and Hillary voted for using Great Big Guns on masses of people all at once and in the thousands

and thousands.

Sorry to go this way, but you introduced yourself to that.

Bernie is not a 'gun nut', pound all you like on that but it only makes you look foolish or very misinformed or blindfully attached to your very flawed candidate.

[Jester Messiah]

86. Solve racism. Solve what drives people to murder.

Else they'll find a tool to accomplish their aims, no matter what kind of weapon control laws get laid down.

[Lizzie Poppet]

87. Perhaps he wanted to stick to something useful.

[progressoid]

125. And yet the Brady Campaign gives him a 100% lifetime score.

http://votesmart.org/interest-group/122/rating/7712?p=3&of=#.VYMK8Eb-Hm4

VT U.S. Senate Jr Bernie Sanders Independent 100%

They gave Obama an F

Actually a lot of F's

2009 Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence - Brady Gun Violence Prevention Report Card: Federal Assault Weapons Ban (Presidential Score) F

2009 Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence - Brady Gun Violence Prevention Report Card: Gun Trafficking Score (Presidential Score) F

2009 Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence - Brady Gun Violence Prevention Report Card: Gun Show Loophole (Presidential Score) F

2009 Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence - Brady Gun Violence Prevention Report Card: Brady Background Checks (Presidential Score) F

2009 Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence - Brady Gun Violence Prevention Report Card: Leadership (Presidential Score) F

2009 Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence - Brady Gun Violence Prevention Report Card: Guns in Public (Presidential Score) F

2009 Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence - Brady Gun Violence Prevention Report Card: Standing Up to the Gun Lobby (Presidential Score) F

http://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/9490/barack-obama-ii#.VYMLSEb-Hm4

[Nye Bevan]

14. Nothing at all about gun control? (nt)

[cali]

27. people using this tragedy to take potshots at politicians obviously care more about

getting petty digs in then about the tragedy itself.

[Nye Bevan]

37. I understand that mass shootings are excruciatingly awkward for Bernie to respond to,

given his voting record on gun control.

[Autumn]

51. His statement wasn't awkward at all. Do you have a link to Hillarys statement yet?

Speaking of mass shootings, there have been a lot of "mass shootings" in Iraq since that country was invaded.

[Jester Messiah]

89. You'll have to wait a couple months.

It takes time for her to parse all the position statements from her corporate sponsors.

[cali]

57. Clearly it was not awkward for him. And I'm

disgusted by people who don't give a shit about the tragedy that took place except to use it as a stick to wield against a politician they obviously despise. It reveals a great deal. And you, who have been so blase (I'd use another word but I don't want my post hidden) about racism on so many occasions, are really someone who shouldn't be lecturing anyone.

Shame on you.

[arcane1]

67. You're going to pimp the dead too, just for a cheap shot?

A dishonest shot at that?

How do you live with yourself, when it's so easy to behave in such a ghoulish fashion?

[Nye Bevan]

69. President Obama brought up gun control in his response to the tragedy.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/charleston-church-shooting-president-obama-deliver-remarks-n377726

Was he "pimping the dead" to make a political point on this issue?

[arcane1]

73. You're pimping the dead by making this about candidates n/t

[Nye Bevan]

79. And presumably those criticizing Hillary's response are doing the same thing? (nt)

[bluesbassman]

97. Anyone capable of even modest critical thinking can read through this thread and see what happened.

This is where I get pretty disgusted with Clinton supporters. They come into a thread like this and make passive agrressive comments about Sanders and when people fire back with criticism of Clinton they claim Clinton is being "trashed" and then they'll even link to the Clinton post as evidence of the "trashing".

What really is laughable is the threads calling for Sanders supporters to be civil. As long as Clinton supporters continue to use the tactics they do, civility is a hollow word.

[Nye Bevan]

102. I'm pretty sure I've never once complained about Hillary being "trashed".

When you're running for President of the United States you can't be overly sensitive about occasional criticism, however, and neither should your supporters be.

[bluesbassman]

114. Good luck the passive aggressive technique.

I can only assume it's comfortable for you, and you feel it somehow helps Clinton's campaign.

[Nye Bevan]

115. I have no illusions about the number of votes I can garner for Hillary

from my posts here on DU.

[madfloridian]

70. Totally uncalled for and utterly thoughtless.

[Nye Bevan]

85. Does that also apply to those criticizing Hillary's response? (nt)

[madfloridian]

90. You are all over this thread with rude uncalled for statements. Stop deflecting.

I haven't seen her response, but I am sure she is outraged as well.

Most of us are not against Hillary, but this kind of stuff you are doing needs to stop.

You are hijacking a thread presenting Bernie's sincere thoughts and trying to make it about gun control.

Save it and make your own thread.

[Nye Bevan]

99. If you want a thread containing nothing but unequivocal praise for Bernie's statement,

I understand there is a "safe haven" group where only unequivocal praise is permitted.

[frylock]

100. People are pointing it out that she didn't address it either..

are you fucking shitting me?!

[LondonReign2]

71. Disgusting and classlass

You shall know Hillary by her followers

[arcane1]

77. Just when I think the anti-Sanders brigade can't stoop any lower n/t

[LondonReign2]

80. Remember Team Clinton's racist dog whistles in the 2008 primaries?

They are just getting started

[frylock]

98. How would the Brady Bill have prevented this tragedy?

[morningfog]

47. Oh look, it's you.

[Nye Bevan]

50. Hello, friend (nt)

[morningfog]

52. I am not at all surprised that you care more about political points

than murdered black people. Not at all surprised.

[Nye Bevan]

54. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026856871

[morningfog]

56. But don't call it racism!

[Nye Bevan]

58. Huh?

Why not? It's clear that it was.

[LanternWaste]

78. I saw nothing in the quote referencing gun control. But then again, I'm literate...

I saw nothing in the quote referencing gun control. But then again, I'm literate...

[Marr]

171. Sickening reply. /nt

[rhett o rick]

16. k & r. Thanks for posting. nm

[olddots]

17. once again speaking from his heart

like someone who wants things better for everyone .

[pnwmom]

23. Then he should support stronger gun control laws. nt

[cali]

29. people using this thread to make petty digs clearly care more about that

than the tragedy itself. disgusting.

[Autumn]

38. Has Hillary spoke out?

Or is she still waiting for more information to craft her statement?

[morningfog]

49. She tweeted.

[Autumn]

53. She tweeted huh?

[frylock]

104. It was a heartfelt tweet, though..

Granted, it didn't address gun control OR racism, but you only get 140 characters to get your point across, and we all know that Clinton has minimal access to the media.

[Autumn]

107. It's sad when a candidate has no acess to the media.

Almost heartbreaking that the frontrunner only gets 140 characters to get her point across.

[bunnies]

112. Yep. A tweet.

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/611392413945434112

Ill just leave that there.

[Autumn]

117. Yeah, I had thought to add their statements to the OPs I did on her and Bernie but

I don't think I would touch that tweet with a 10 foot pole.

[bunnies]

123. Im glad that Bernie took the time to say something relevant & meaningful.

Not a single other candidate mentioned racism. At all.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/06/18/3671332/president-hopefuls-respond-south-carolina-shooting/

[PotatoChip]

46. He does support stronger gun control laws.

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Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban
Wednesday, April 17, 2013


http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-for-background-checks-assault-weapons-ban

[arcane1]

75. Your ignorance of his record does not justify this disrespect for murder victims

You people are getting fucking ridiculous with this.

[pnwmom]

82. He voted against the Brady law after Jim Brady was shot

and for the PCLAA, which wiped out product liability laws in 50 states that allowed people to sue gun manufacturers.

[arcane1]

91. And is rated "F" by the NRA.

But please, let's keep making this about scoring points against Sanders. It's just dead black people, right? No need to make this about them

[frylock]

108. And how would either of those prevented this tragedy?

[AtheistCrusader]

122. You can sue gun manufacturers for defective products.

You now can't abuse the courts to harass gun manufacturers for criminal misuse of properly functioning, legally sold firearms.

[beevul]

137. Factually untrue.

the PCLAA, which wiped out product liability laws in 50 states that allowed people to sue gun manufacturers

I suspect you've been informed many times, but I'll add another:


The PLCAA does not prevent gun manufacturers from being sued in general.

It prevents them from being sued for criminal misuse of a legal product.

Kinda like preventing ford from being sued because someone used their brand car to knock over a bank, or drive drunk.

[Damansarajaya]

18. And Hillary?

Still on her "listening tour" ?

[magical thyme]

32. deserves its own thread. nt

[leftofcool]

126. I guess you missed her 10K attendance rally?

And by the way, Hillary supports strong gun control.

[Divernan]

154. Was that this "10K attendance rally?" where she was booed and jeered

Now I thought that her largest turnout was her Roosevelt Island gathering which her own campaign estimated as having a 5,500 attendance. How could I have missed what you describe as "her 10K attendance rally?" So I googled Hillary Clinton and 10,000 and rally and this is what I came up with:
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/hillary-takes-hits-10-000-rally-israel-article-1.887732 So what and where was this rally you referred to, if not this one?

HILLARY TAKES HITS AS 10,000 RALLY FOR ISRAEL
BY William Goldschlag
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Friday, October 13, 2000, 12:00 AM

Shouting over jeers from many of the 10,000 at a pro-Israel rally, Hillary Rodham Clinton urged support yesterday for her husband's efforts "to end the violence" as well as for the embattled Jewish state. But her Senate opponent, Rep. Rick Lazio, ripped the Clinton administration for not placing the blame for the current conflict solely on Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. Blasting the U. S. decision to abstain and not veto a UN Security Council resolution that slammed Israel, Lazio asked, "Is this any way to treat a friend?

" "There must be no equivocation," said Lazio, who won cheers and shook hands in the crowd jamming Second Ave. from 42nd to 48th Sts. Mayor Giuliani also bashed the Clinton administration for being too soft on Arafat and the Palestinians. Other speakers at the demonstration included Gov. Pataki, Nobel laureate and Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel and Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert. The Mideast turmoil has created an October surprise in the Senate race. It is an opportunity for Lazio and a danger for the First Lady in the battle for Jewish votes, because she and President Clinton long treated Arafat as a credible partner for peace. Clinton's poll numbers among Jews are at an all-time high. But she got there only after arduous fence-mending following her infamous kiss of Arafat's wife in Ramallah last year. The hard-liners who booed her yesterday likely would oppose her no matter what, though. "A zebra doesn't change her stripes, and I don't trust her," said Tobie Newman, 75, of Freeport, L.

I. But with each escalation of the violence, her campaign grows more anxious that her support among a broader spectrum of Jews could be shaken. "She needs to be extremely supportive of Israel," said Dr. Peggy Wurm, 43, of Manhattan, a Clinton supporter at the rally. "The old baggage from the past is there. It's hard for people to get it out of their minds," said Assemblyman Dov Hikind (D-Brooklyn) from Israel, where he was caught up in a battle at a funeral procession for a slain rabbi Wednesday. Hikind, a political conservative, said the turmoil he witnessed will influence his decision on whom to support. The First Lady broke with her husband Sunday over the UN abstention and has refused to join administration critics of some Israeli actions. Since White House-sponsored peace talks broke down in July, her criticism of Arafat has grown harsher. Yet when she called yesterday on Arafat to end the violence and denounced the "shameful" and "one-sided" UN resolution, some in the crowd chanted, "Tell your husband.
" Another person yelled, "Go kiss Arafat's wife.

[SidDithers]

131. Aren't you the trickster...nt

Sid

[hrmjustin]

139. She is going to address it 7n her remarks in Reno shortly.

[hrmjustin]

165. Here you go.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-18/hillary-clinton-calls-for-discussion-of-hard-truths-after-charleston

[Damansarajaya]

172. Again, it's a non-statement statement.

"We need to talk about this." No, we need you to step up and lead.

It's like her non-statement statement on TPP.

[hrmjustin]

174. I think you just like to complain about Hillary.

Bye!

[jwirr]

19. Thank you Bernie.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

22. This guy was YOUNG too....

That means the torch is being passed to a new generation to light the cross.

[SoapBox]

39. Brainwashing and indoctrination of hate continues.

In my old age, I don't understand all the hate and blood lust in the world versus just being nice.

I guess those that have to preach their hate message to the masses, us it as control for their power and money.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

55. In the South they consider their hate to be part of their heritage.

[chev52]

63. Southern hate.

Which part of the south did you live in to come up with that statement? I lived in Texas and disagree with you.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

66. Try the states that voted for Wallace.

[Art_from_Ark]

173. You mean, like Arkansas?

That was 1968. It was still an issue at that time, I'll agree. But things started mellowing out in the '70s.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

176. Tell that to the jail populations.

[Art_from_Ark]

177. Tell what to the jail populations?

Jail populations are pretty mean in every state. Arkansas certainly doesn't have a monopoly on that.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

180. The jails are filled with black people who know the system is rigged against them.

[Art_from_Ark]

181. Do you have any evidence that Arkansas is worse in this regard

than any other state?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

182. All the states in the South do it....

It's how they keep them down and keep them from voting.

Otherwise the South would be solid Blue.

[Art_from_Ark]

184. And yet, in California, blacks are far more likely to be incarcerated

"Among adult men in 2013, African Americans were incarcerated at a rate of 4,367 per 100,000, compared to 922 for Latinos, 488 for non-Latino whites, and 34 for Asians."

http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=702

Compare that to Arkansas's rate of 2,432 per 100,000

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/2010rates/AR.html

Blacks are overrepresented in prison populations in every state except Montana

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/rates.html

[Spitfire of ATJ]

185. Again, showing there's racism elswhere doesn't take away from Southern Fried Racism.

[Art_from_Ark]

186. OK, whatever

I'm through hijacking this thread.

[cwydro]

68. Oh please.

Many of us on DU are southern.

Generalizations make you look silly.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

76. Then you've heard Confederate flag boosters use the terms "heritage" and "pride".

[cwydro]

88. No, actually I have not.

When I was stationed in upstate NY back in the 70's though, I sure saw a lot of confederate flags.

Racism is not confined to the south, and you are woefully misinformed if you believe so.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

109. On that point, white supremacists all over the country know the words for "Dixie".

[cwydro]

113. Lol. That makes me laugh!

Most Americans don't even know the words to our national anthem!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

121. Most think the last words are "play ball!"

[cwydro]

132. Exactly!

I grew up in the south, and I think I know about nine words of "Dixie"

[Spitfire of ATJ]

133. That's because you don't have to wish you were there.

[cwydro]

138. Lol!

Very good.

But no.

And on this 100 degree plus day, I sure wish I weren't!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

141. On the bright side,...

....the mosquitoes are well fed.

[cwydro]

144. I think they are dead of heat stroke.

The no-see-ums are bad however.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

147. We have these teeny tiny bugs that crawl right through the screens here but they don't fly or bite.

[NikolaC]

110. It is unfair to paint Southerners with such a broad brush

I grew up in New York, was called the "N" word several times over the years, and experienced racism in a variety of forms living there. I still love New York because my experience was not representative of most of the people who live there. I was also called the "N" word when I went to Connecticut on business with my husband years ago. I also lived in Virginia for several years and, while I still encountered some issues, the vast majority of people I met there, whether they were liberal or conservative, were nice and respectful.

I moved to the Silicon Valley area three years ago and have encountered more racism, in a variety of ways, living here than in all of my years living in Virginia. I will still not blame everyone in the state of California, or this area, for the actions of those whom I have come across while living here. I've traveled a lot and found that I should not make broad brush statements, based on my experiences, about whole states since there is good and bad everywhere and, unfortunately, we hear about the worst examples of humanity more than the good.

I agree with Senator Sanders and this was another horrifying example, in my opinion, of racism and hate at work. My heart breaks for the victims, the survivors and their loved ones.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

120. I never said ALL Southerners are racist.....

This happens every time someone talks about racism in the South. People from the South claim they're not racist and sometimes claim they don't see it and it must be in the poster's imagination.

Then they talk about racism elsewhere.

I have a friend that writes for a local paper here in Vegas who was recently called the "N" word by some random white guy from the comfort of his pickup truck while she was waiting to cross the street at the courthouse.

It's being encouraged in private.

[erronis]

33. It's too bad that many feel like gun control could have prevented this.

I personally would like far stricter gun control measures put in place - even like those seen in many European countries.

However, as we've seen over and over again, a determined killer will find a weapon to use. Guns are freely available in the US and it will take years/generations to change this - even if we wanted to.

What gun control and an intelligent population can do is to limit the access to these weapons for crimes of passion. If they are not a normal part of a household's inventory there will be fewer fatal assaults.

[MissDeeds]

34. Beautiful statement by Sen. Sanders

Thanks for posting this, PotatoChip.

[snpsmom]

36. This isn't about Sanders, what he has to say,

or what any other candidate has to say. smh

[DawgHouse]

40. He's right.

[heaven05]

44. honorable response

and when he becomes POTUS, I hope he can do something about "the continuing stain".

[BrotherIvan]

127. The fact that he is unafraid to say the word racism

speaks volumes!

[Thinkingabout]

160. The fact he does not vote for sensible gun control bills also speaks volumes.

[Zorra]

62. In order to eradicate racism, we'd have to split the US between liberals

and conservatives.

Racism etc. would only have a possibility of being eradicated in the liberal half.

[lark]

64. Perfect!!

Thank you Bernie!!

[JDPriestly]

83. K&R.

[Enthusiast]

84. Kicked and recommended!

[HockeyMom]

93. Similar to President Obama's statement

but he went further to specifically cite America's love of guns. He said something to the effect that you do not hear of these mass murders like ours in other countries.

He was speaking at another event and MSNBC covered his opening statment live.

[HockeyMom]

116. "Family cooperating with police" Who?

His Uncle recognized the picture. His mother's brother. Uncle told police his nephew's father bought him the gun for his 21st birthday. He described his nephew as an "introvert" who did not have a job, friends, dates, and stayed in his room all the time on the Internet. Sound familiar to someone else? Parent buys/lets use a gun by their "troubled/introverted" 20 something year old son?

Only the place of the shooting changed.

[zappaman]

101. I am Zappaman and I approve this message.

[Omaha Steve]

111. K&R!

[AtheistCrusader]

124. Sanders is a good egg.

He's dead on the money here.

[Amimnoch]

129. Beautifully stated! It's obscene that this kind of crap still happens.

That this cultural divide between races is STILL going on, and a culture that would create this monster that murdered these people in their own church still exists is disgusting beyond words. When the hell will the US grow the fuck up and move beyond judging people based on appearance??

This needs to go beyond just the prosecution of the killer.. A deep, and penetrating investigation needs to be performed, and those who cultivated this monster's actions need to also face justice as full and willing accomplices.

Great statement from Bernie.

[JI7]

130. great response

[heaven05]

134. I can't stand waiting, yeah still waiting for

Hillary's and the rest of the bunch's comment(s) on this tragedy. I can see them now trying to fit the right word where, so as to not have to mention the word racism and risk offending voters with something most of them give damn less about anyway.

[Dont call me Shirley]

135. K & R

[ChiciB1]

140. JUST ONE MORE REASON WHY I LOVE HIM!! Plus

wanted to post this before, I ordered shirts from Bernie Sanders.com and THEY'RE on BACK ORDER!!

Had some friends who know I support him and asked me to order some and I would like to think this means he's GAINING more traction!

I don't live in La La Land, but am so happy that he's getting all this support. I DO realize what I HAVE to do if he's not the nominee, but I can wish and I can spread the word around!

[Jefferson23]

146. So true and so tragic..it is up to all of us to demand much more from our leaders and

our communities.

[Eleanors38]

148. Right on the money.

[mopinko]

155. .

[Bobbie Jo]

158. Sad...

So initially I rec'ed this thread until I read through around midway and saw the usual snotty pile-on.

Taking back my rec...
If someone would like to re-post without the subsequent personal attacks and nasty pile-ons, I'll gladly rec that one.

Too bad, I thought Bernie made a very sincere, thoughtful statement.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

166. Wait, what? I heard racism was over in America.

Are you telling me Ann Coulter was wrong?

[backscatter712]

170. Well done, Bernie.

Today's not a good day to be throwing political footballs. He struck exactly the right tone for this.

[Art_from_Ark]

179. I agree

Exactly the right tone.

[spanone]

175. yes sir.

[merrily]

178. His letter is much better in that it requests donations.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=myposts

[Juicy_Bellows]

188. Donations to the church to be crystal.

Some people see footballs everywhere.

[SaranchaIsWaiting]

190. I'm with you, Bernie. Take your power and speak for me and most of us.

[Beowulf42]

191. Not So Sure

I'm sorry, Bernie. I truly love you and what you are doing, but I am no so sure "we have made significant progress in advancing civil rights," because the evidence is too pervasive that there is still a vicious, evil multitude who consider people of color not human and unworthy of the basic rights every human person is supposed to have in this land of the free and the home of the brave.

[pablo_marmol]

193. Thank you, Bernie......you left guns out of it.

You're a guy who gets it, and you'll have all of my support.