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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 06:23 PM Jun 2015

Clinton: We Must Face 'Hard Truths' About Race, Guns After Charleston Shooting

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said Thursday that the country must face "hard truths" about race and gun violence in the wake of a mass shooting at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina that left nine people dead.

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"The shock and pain of this crime of hate strikes deep," she said, as quoted by National Journal. "Nine people, women and men. Cut down at prayer, murdered in a house of God. It just broke my heart."

Like President Barack Obama did earlier in the day, Clinton also urged Americans to address gun violence after failing to act in the wake of past mass shootings like the 2012 Aurora, Colorado movie theater massacre. She said that the country must "face hard truths about race, violence, guns and division" in order to make sense of the latest tragedy, according to National Journal.

"How many innocent people in our country—little children to church members to movie theater attendees—how many people do we need to see cut down before we act?" she said, as quoted by National Journal. "So as we mourn and as our hearts break a little more, and as we send this message of solidarity that we will not forsake those who have been victimized by gun violence, this time we have to find answers together."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hillary-clinton-charleston-shooting


I'm very glad that she brought up the guns issue. It's a principled stand that may well cost her votes in early primary states like NH with lots of hunters, but I disagree with those who maintain that we should ignore gun control as a "losing issue".
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Clinton: We Must Face 'Hard Truths' About Race, Guns After Charleston Shooting (Original Post) Nye Bevan Jun 2015 OP
Gun Control isn't the issue, Media generated Hatred is the problem . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #1
When any Adam Lanza or Dylann Roof has easy access to a gun, Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #2
sorry smedly butler, sylvanus Jun 2015 #11
He was vilified for exposing the ' Good old boy network ' And you CAN orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #12
It's a very good statement. I'm glad she called it a "hate crime", and that she brought up guns. nt scarletwoman Jun 2015 #3
No. It isn't. It's a recognition statement. It says NOTHING about what actions should be taken. HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #5
Look, I'm not a Hillary supporter, but I figured I'd give her credit for bringing up scarletwoman Jun 2015 #7
It's ok to admit it's BS play into todays news, all candidates must do this. HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #8
Okay. Whatever. scarletwoman Jun 2015 #9
We have proven ourselves as a society incapable of managing them Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #4
I hate guns, MSM hates us more . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #13
Wow. She was excellent--so impressive Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #6
I agree. Bonobo Jun 2015 #10
So you don't think Hillary agreed with the content of the statement? Sheepshank Jun 2015 #15
I'm sure she agrees. I'm almost equally sure it was written for her. Bonobo Jun 2015 #16
Dang....make shi** up out of whole cloth Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #19
Did I miss where she said what she wants to do about it? More than face it that we have a problem? RiverLover Jun 2015 #20
Ummm...what did Bernie and O'Malley say they wanted to do about it? Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #21
O'Malley said its a tough problem with no obvious solution. He was honest & this OP is bragging on RiverLover Jun 2015 #22
So...you have a thread attacking O'Malley? Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #23
She spoke up and she spoke out Sheepshank Jun 2015 #14
Talking and doing aren't even remotely related, and only Republicans " White wash " Racisms, AND orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #18
With a pick and spade, I'm digging my grave seveneyes Jun 2015 #17

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
2. When any Adam Lanza or Dylann Roof has easy access to a gun,
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 06:30 PM
Jun 2015

I have to disagree that gun control should not be part of the conversation. And I think it is good that both President Obama and Hillary Clinton concur.

 

sylvanus

(122 posts)
11. sorry smedly butler,
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:41 PM
Jun 2015

you can't get rid of crazy.
you can get rid of guns.
guns are the problem.
and if you can't get over your guns,
than your the problem.
And i think your avatar would agree,
since he was the first to talk about the military industrial complex
in so many words. Gun nuts are war mongers.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
12. He was vilified for exposing the ' Good old boy network ' And you CAN
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:31 PM
Jun 2015

get rid of televised racism, and giving air time to Hate toward Any group .

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
5. No. It isn't. It's a recognition statement. It says NOTHING about what actions should be taken.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:58 PM
Jun 2015

She calls for ????? something. What????

Her statement says the absolutely obvious and offers NOTHING.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
7. Look, I'm not a Hillary supporter, but I figured I'd give her credit for bringing up
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:28 PM
Jun 2015

a couple of good points. I don't expect full-blown policy prescriptions in anyone's initial statement after a horrific event.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
8. It's ok to admit it's BS play into todays news, all candidates must do this.
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jun 2015

It's an assault on critical thinking. But it turns out critical thinking isn't what's as important as emotional connection with potential voters.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
4. We have proven ourselves as a society incapable of managing them
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 07:54 PM
Jun 2015

Media is not the problem, it is the result of the problem.

The issue is gun control.

It is time to get rid of the guns...we have too many that are too easily accessible and we as a nation have proven that we are incapable of responsibly managing them. We tried to allow everyone to have them without the confines and parameters that reasonable gun control laws would provide. It did not work.

We have got to stop the gun-lovers from running our nation and making decisions that are so obviously not working for our society.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
6. Wow. She was excellent--so impressive
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:06 PM
Jun 2015

What a moving statement. And a signal...that she will act with us to do SOMETHING about stopping these terrorist acts that are occurring too often.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
15. So you don't think Hillary agreed with the content of the statement?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:39 PM
Jun 2015

You think Bernie writes all of his own public statements?

What an odd thing to snark about.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
19. Dang....make shi** up out of whole cloth
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 11:58 AM
Jun 2015

just to find a weapon to use for another baseless and odd attack.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
20. Did I miss where she said what she wants to do about it? More than face it that we have a problem?
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:03 PM
Jun 2015

As a leader, what are her ideas to change things?

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
21. Ummm...what did Bernie and O'Malley say they wanted to do about it?
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jun 2015

Why do you hold Clinton to a higher standard? You appear to be twisting yourself into a pretzel to find something wrong with what Ms. Clinton says.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
22. O'Malley said its a tough problem with no obvious solution. He was honest & this OP is bragging on
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:43 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary as if she had done something profound. Did she? Or was it just a slicker version of what O'M said?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
14. She spoke up and she spoke out
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:37 PM
Jun 2015

That so many here want to find fault in that, is so transparent into the petty nasty side of politics. How many times will she bashed for making a stance on social issues, that she has stood up to for 40 years. This is not new...it along an existing continuum. Good too her for vilifying that which needed to be vilified, and for speaking plainly about race that too many other politicians want to "whitewash"

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
18. Talking and doing aren't even remotely related, and only Republicans " White wash " Racisms, AND
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:46 PM
Jun 2015

Bernie Sanders has taken an unchecked stance for 40Yrs and can answer question unequivocally, she can't ,This is a no brainier, to speak out, now while running for president, it's not altruism .

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