With everyone looking at shootings , House passes the TPP

[J_J_]

Interesting conversation on reddit....
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/3aayl3/house_approves_fasttrack_218208_sending_bill_to/


While the corrupt news media distracts the nation away from the TPP with wall to wall propaganda on the Charleston Church shootings, these venomous politicians continue to sell this country and it's people to the highest bidders.

This was their perfect opportunity to pass this shit bill with as little blowback as possible.


[–]garyp714

I told you folks late week when the political theater of Dems opposing this was blowing up it was all for show.

'But no, garyp, no way this is all just show so some Democrats can point back and say 'look, we tried to oppose this and Obama'. How dare you suggest anything that isn't surface politics. And BTW, triangulation no real.'



[–]keepcalmson

This is the new standard. If the public heavily opposes it vote it down once to big media coverage, then sneak it through on a second less reported vote.



[–]garyp714

And the fact that no one gets this makes me sad .

[blue neen]

1. "Wall to wall propaganda on the Charleston Church shootings"?

Are you for real?

[cali]

2. what bullshit.

[blue neen]

3. Furthermore, you need to take this OP down.

You are disrespecting every person that was shot in that church and their family members. This is a day of mourning and rightly so.

Disgusting.

[J_J_]

5. isn't it disrespectful for the House to pass a controversial bill during a national tragedy?

??

[Blue_Tires]

7. Did you go to work today, or did you stay home in mourning?

[blue neen]

9. Oh, first it's propaganda and now it's a national tragedy?

Which one is it?

You're not fooling anyone. We will know you by your words.

[J_J_]

11. not my words, try reading op

this is a conversation on reddit that I thought was interesting

free speech much?

[blue neen]

14. I'm using my free speech to tell you we already know your agenda:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026860106

[mcar]

17. Good catch

This thread is disgusting.

[uppityperson]

25. I thought it is " wall to wall propaganda on the Charleston Church shootings" in your OP

[TimeToEvolve]

57. more than disrespectful.

absolutely shameless is more appropriate.

[Blue_Tires]

4. Mass shootings of black folks in church = propaganda?

Once I saw this was from Reddit, I wasn't really surprised...

[blue neen]

6. Apparently, a post and run, too...

doesn't have the guts to post any replies to this despicable OP.

[Spazito]

8. Left out your real concern out of this OP, I see...

because your previous OP was hidden no doubt. This attempt at 'distraction' is equally obvious.

"It seems like speaking out on random shooters is just a show, time to cause a another big distraction/fight over taking our guns..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026860106

[Blue_Tires]

12. Yeah, the OP isn't long for this world...

Even the MIRT team which these days maybe bans 1-2 accounts per year is sharpening up their knives...

[Spazito]

21. It takes a 7-0 hide when a poster manages to reach 100 posts for MIRT to be...

able to act and they only have an hour to do so otherwise it takes the Admin to act.

Either way I am hearing the tick tock growing louder and louder, it's only a matter of time.

[zappaman]

26. Certainly on the radar now.

[Spazito]

28. Yep, no doubt n/t

[Hekate]

67. I hope so. The OP has managed to survive two alerts that I know of,in addition to the hide mentioned

Last edited Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:24 AM - Edit history (1)

...and that's just this afternoon.
Edited to add: I meant two separate OPs survived alerts. Quite an agenda.

[uppityperson]

30. No, MIRT isn't. This one would be up to Admin and MIRT bans many accounts daily

mostly a couple frequent flyer zombies but also newbies here as Malicious Intruders. MIRT does not ban people with this many posts or longevity. Nope, no current thread in MIRT on this poster. Sorry to disappoint but it isn't good to spread false info about what MIRT does.

[Blue_Tires]

31. Who do I talk to about joining this MIRT?

Long past time for me to serve a tour of duty...

[zappaman]

32. There will be an announcement when this term is up.

A couple of months I think?
Do it.
It's an eye opening experience.

[uppityperson]

33. Watch the Announcements forum, the last week of July or so. EarlG will be putting up

a notice for volunteers then with switchover the next week. I encourage everyone, beyond those frequent flyer zombies, to take a turn, volunteer for MIRT and see what it's about.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1013

Last announcement. A star membership can be had for minimal, no minimum payment. And yes, minimal.

Volunteers who wish to help keep DU running smoothly should consider joining the Malicious Intruder Removal Team (MIR Team). The role of MIR Team members is simple: they are empowered to revoke the posting privileges of people who show up at DU with the intent to disrupt.

Members of the MIR Team are provided with tools to delete spam posted by people who have had their posting privileges revoked, but they are NOT responsible for removing community standards violations, locking threads, or dealing with violations of DU's Terms of Service wherever they may occur.

If you are a DU member with at least six months of membership, at least 1,000 posts, and proof of identity (ie. you are a Star member) then you can apply to be a member of the MIR Team. (Please note that if your Transparency page is displayed, you are disqualified from serving on the MIR Team.)

How do I apply?

Simple: just post in this thread to let us know that you'd like to give it a try, and you could be selected by the Admins. There is no application form to fill out, and no confidentiality agreement to sign. MIR Team members do not have access to any privileged information about other DU members

[Blue_Tires]

34. Good...I'll get shit straightened out on this forum, mark my words

[arcane1]

40. 1-2 accounts per year ??

We've banned 4 accounts just today. Please try and keep up, and not slander your fellow DUers

[greatauntoftriplets]

55. And that's a slow day!

[arcane1]

80. Indeed! I'm pleasantly surprised that today's news didn't attract as many as I expected.

[greatauntoftriplets]

81. Autonuke is doing its job too.

Took out death threat guy and library girl in the last hour.

[hrmjustin]

83. Fyi we ban plenty a day. The fact you don't notice it means we are doing our jobs.

[Rhiannon12866]

84. Exactly! Unless you've served on MIRT, you have no idea

Half of the new joins who show up here are trolls, nutjobs and spammers and never make it past the door.

[hrmjustin]

85. Ain't that the truth! It is the same 4 or 5 trolls with no life that they spend their day annoying

us.

[Rhiannon12866]

88. We have more than a few who we know so well that we've given them names

[J_J_]

16. I was asking why politicians don't care as much about racially motivated police killings?

Why don't politicians care as much about people being killed in our racially motivated war on terror in the middle east?

[Spazito]

27. No, you showed your real concern was protecting them guns...

I copied your comment from your hidden OP so other DUers could see the real intent behind your post.

[blue neen]

35. Isn't it ironic that the people trying to spread propaganda

are the ones who seem so concerned about it?

[Spazito]

87. Ironic indeed...

and obvious as well.

[J_J_]

47. I hate guns, I am just tired of the gun arguments- Hate/Limbaugh GOP idiots are the problem

I grew up during a time when no one cared or talked about their fucking guns, this country is just beyond stupid.



I just want to know...when are they going to take the guns out of the hands of the military who are committing racially motivated murder with our tax dollars?

When will they take guns from cops who are committing racially motivated murders?

We pay the professional killers and the cops usually get paid vacations as well.

[zappaman]

48. Yeah right.

You've already revealed yourself.
Covering and backtracking ain't gonna work.

[J_J_]

60. whateva

I am a peace activist- pretty clear on that in all of my posts.

[tritsofme]

10. The House certainly did not pass TPP. They agreed on the terms that they will debate and consider

trade agreements negotiated by President Obama.

[KeepItReal]

96. They passed Fast Track = No Amendments, just vote whatever has been negotiated in secret TPP.

And that is outrageous.

[tritsofme]

107. If President Obama negotiates a bad deal, Congress should reject it.

Obama does not deserve to be the only president in 40 years to be denied an up or down vote on the agreement he negotiates.

[KeepItReal]

109. This is a Corporate-friendly deal coming before a Corporate-paid-for, GOP Congress

what possible rejection are you talking about?

[Cali_Democrat]

13. Tell the families of the victims that their deaths were nothing more than a distraction from TPP

or "propaganda" as you put it.

[brer cat]

15. I don't usually tell people what they should do,

but I will make an exception for this. You really should delete this OP. It is disrespectful and frankly, disgusting.

[Blue_Tires]

23. oh, so you must be the sock

enjoy the ignore list

[zappaman]

24. Aren't you cute!

Take that shit over to Alex Jones where it belongs.

[zappaman]

37. Go away.

[JTFrog]

38. What the fuck are you sniffing for? Does not "pass the smell test"?

I cannot believe the shit that other people believe.

[geek tragedy]

44. Someone please ban this ... entity. nt

[geek tragedy]

42. Only thing that smells is your post.

[joshcryer]

20. This was going to pass regardless.

[Mojorabbit]

59. I had hoped it would not. I disagree with the op's wording but

There does seem to me to be a tendency to pass certain legislation when people are not watching and to dump important info on fridays. I read an article about this topic when there was wall to wall coverage of Rachel Dolezal while items that were of great importance to the public(trade agreements) were moving under the radar and getting much less press coverage. I am hoping this is what the op meant but used unfortunate wording as this is a horrible tragedy and it does deserve coverage.

[J_J_]

64. yes, thank you for understanding

I had no idea that unfortunate wording would be so controversial.

[joshcryer]

68. They split up TPA and TAA, for the express purpose of...

...assuring TPA passage while negotiating stronger TAA terms.

It does come as a fucked up coincidence, but if we had a remotely competent media they would mention it. That the media doesn't think it will sell indicates consumers don't care.

[zappaman]

22. What a disgusting post.

[Agnosticsherbet]

29. They passed Fast Track (TPA), nor the TPP.

The TPP has not been signed, and the President has not asked for an up or down vote.

[zappaman]

39. Holy shit! Someone rec'ed this vomit?!?!

[blue neen]

41. Oh yeah, it survived an alert, too.

That should tell you something about how well the jury system is working here.

[geek tragedy]

43. The false flag troll also survived getting a post hidden. nt

[Blue_Tires]

91. The jury system continues to be an unfunny joke

that's why I plan to get on MIRT

[Blue_Tires]

92. At least I know which clowns I can add to my ignore list

I'm glad they outed themselves...

[bettyellen]

45. Tacky as FUCK.

[frogmarch]

46. WTF!

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. I get what you are saying, and I truly get it

not one word yet about the vote in the House... and TV has been on.

It is sad that small media can chew gum and walk at the same time, but major media can't and that is on purpose.

There was a time when we all could chew gum and walk.

You pointing this out is not one bit disrespectful either.

[TimeToEvolve]

52. word...

some overly-sensitive types are kind of close minded; ironically

"the problem is not in finding the answer, but facing it."

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. Yup, we could do this though

I had a story on the POTUS statement, with quotes and all, and a story on the vote, with local consequences, and lord knows we might have more brush fires to boot. I might write a piece on the morning, but first need to do some background.

The fact that NATIONAL media cannot do that is quite telling.

[TimeToEvolve]

56. i find it ABSOLUTELY SHAMELESS of them to use a shooting as diversion

to ram through the TPP/TPA

if obama is that shameless then why do so many still trust him.

ive had to remove 2 posts on this page due to the ire i drew from a few oversensitive DU'ers for pointing out that this situation seems a little too perfect to be a coincidence.

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. It is a coincidence

but that does not mean Boehner did not take advantage

[TimeToEvolve]

63. yes. it was

but that move by boner and obama is still shameless in every regard.

they honestly cannot look us in the eye and pass this thing, so they have to be sneaky little rats and quickly get their shit done under cover while the vulture news media has all of the eyes occupied.

shame on the media.. 24/7 sensationalized coverage does not improve the situation at all


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017272981

[geek tragedy]

70. Sorry that the media covering massacres of African-Americans

by white supremacists (only white supremacists are calling it a false flag, by the way) offends your delicate sensibilities.

[geek tragedy]

62. Your attempt to use the deaths of 9 black Americans as a pretext for a dishonest

attack on President Obama makes the content of your character very clear.

You have not spoken about this tragedy without attempting to shift blame away from white racists and the implications of this tragedy.

We see you for what you are.

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. I think the attack should be on the MSM

to be honest. If we had a responsible news media, hint, we don't, they would be able to cover BOTH stories in depth.

What pols do is take advantage of the disfunction.

[geek tragedy]

66. The vote was scheduled already and went exactly

like it did the first time it was held on Friday.

The TPP has been getting plenty of press.

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. And they still could have covered it

I did... and trust me, I do NOT have the staff of MSNBC... hell not even most of the local tv stations... It is NOT that tricky.

This is why I am wondering WHAT ELSE they do not want us to know. Hint, the US press is NOT. contrary to public opinion, that free either. I expect to see the criticism from FAIR as well. And it is very much deserved.

This is not tinfoil anymore. The Media, for corporate reasons, cannot do more than one story at a time, and they used to be able to do them, when they only had 1 hour of news, later half an hour.

[geek tragedy]

77. This wasn't a final vote.

Media doesn't pay attention to procedural votes.

When a bill is at the 'send it to the president's desk" stage then the media pays attention.

All this does is kick it back to the Senate.

[nadinbrzezinski]

79. Again MEDIA USED TO

I am sorry that you do not get it.

Current media moves from one shiny story to another. This is a serious attack,. It deserves coverage, but 24\7 with more speculation than news. I am sorry, but no. I am not happy with this.

They could, and one reason they do not is they know people will defend their crappy "news."

Americans for the most part have no idea what news looks like anymore. I am convinced of that. And they also do not respect you, or me, as news consumers.

Now as I said, what else are they hiding? Perhaps the NATO exercises near the Russian border.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/17/nato-russia-elaborate-training-exercise-dangerous-signal

Or perhaps this upcoming not just ethnic cleaning but humanitarian crisis. Hint, deporting people is a form of ethnic cleansing

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8802587/dominican-republic-haitian-deportation

There is this monster of a fire in California, not that we count... (Local media and regional is by the way)

http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4302/

Let's forget about the one in Alaska

Or the fact that FEMA actually has activated for a few disasters. I mean, who cares right? That is GOVERNMENT WORKING RIGHT.

There is a LOT of news that are not covered.

That includes votes of critical policy matters, but I guess we need to do 24\7 of the next issue to come along.

Yes, it is to the point I ask, when we have INTENSE one issue coverage of anything, what else is going on they do not want me to know?

This is yet another reason why many younger and more sophisticated viewers, for ill or good, cannot trust the mainstream media, or rather trust it as far as they can throw it.

And I will emphasize this. I did cover both... why pray tell me major media can't? Not that I would post that here. it is like who cares? But we did. and we have still the risk of MAJOR wildfires breaking. Perfect heat, humidity and wind... yeeehaaww.

[uppityperson]

72. "Overly sensitive" to these murders called "wall to wall propaganda on the Charleston Church..."

Close minded for objecting to the use of the word "propaganda" when referring to this mass murder?

[geek tragedy]

74. That poster claimed it was a false flag operation.

But then deleted the post.

[uppityperson]

75. I saw that also. Incredible.

[geek tragedy]

78. Juries are letting the Alex Jones stuff slide. nt

[Blue_Tires]

90. Him calling the coverage "propaganda"

like it's some made-up story (and the usual nutbar crowd is already spewing out their "convenient false flag" bullshit) is pretty goddamned offensive to me, at least...

There is such a thing as missing the forest for the trees

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. And there is something called not being able to

cover anything but one story 24/7. There is more going on in the world. The word propaganda might be the wrong term, but I know exactly what he is saying. The media used to be able to chew gum and walk. It's so bad that when they do this, regardless of story, I start picking around the web to see what else they are not covering.

I find the about to happen, or happening ethnic cleansing in the Dominican Republic kind of important as well. I don't know about you, but a possible land war in Europe is kind of important. Perhaps the fires in California, not that we matter, should have mentioned...maybe the monster in Alaska. They matter even less.

Then there is the TPA vote in the house...

Media used to be able to do that. They used to be able to cover a few things with only an hour broadcast, later reduced to half an hour. They got 24 now and it is like one story...cannot do more than one.

Now you want that chestnut about propaganda fully developed inside crazy land, you can. But I was not insulted by the observation that our media is way too fixated on a single story which at this point is quite a bit of yes, speculation. They do this often, and I now always wonder what the fuck is really going on? And thankfully not the only one who does that.

This story matters, but not to the point of having media cover it exclusively.

One last thing. You should read Naomi Klein's "the shock doctrine." This was textbook.

[Blue_Tires]

95. So stop watching 'regular' MSNBC, CNN, etc

and try watching CNN International, BBC News, France 24, CBC News, Deutsche Welle, AJAM, C-SPAN, etc. because people *ARE* covering other news stories if you know where to look, instead of complaining about regular CNN not covering it...

If the OP and those nuts on Reddit are saying the media are focusing too much attention to Charleston, OK... I can entertain that discussion even if I don't necessarily agree with it; but they should come straight out and say so... But when people carelessly throw the "propaganda" term around, and hinting that Obama/Congress passed this when nobody was paying attention, then it's a very short step to "False flag", "This is another fake Sandy Hook using Hollywood SFX", "Obama set this whole shooting up to pass TPP/grab guns/install Sharia Law/start a race war", etc...

Forgive me, but I'm having a hard enough time explaining to people why black lives matter, and I've already seen two posters in this thread hint in that tinfoil direction, so my patience is short

[nadinbrzezinski]

97. Aha, you just made the point of the OP

and me.

What do all those sources have in common? They are either not US corporate media, or in the case of CNN-I they are not for internal consumption. And the Span is watched regularly in this house, so is city council, county of San Diego and all those sources.

Why the fuck can't CNN and MSNBC chew gum and walk at the same time? It's by design.

But thanks for agreeing with us. Funny isn't it?

Oh and by the way...I cover issues of race and poverty regularly and policy. I have yet to hear in this "coverage" anything approaching real issues, and there are plenty on that as well.

[Blue_Tires]

98. If people are too fucking dumb to get their news from more than one source

I don't know what else to say for them, and it's not my problem...

Good job evading the OP's "Charleston is just media propaganda" -assertion...

[nadinbrzezinski]

99. I talk to young people in the flesh regularly

I have noticed a shift in the word. It does not mean necessarily what you and I think of the term. Willing to give the op the benefit of the doubt due to those at times long conversations with folks half my age.

Let's just say the word is shifting to mean something not entirely what the dictionary says it does. It comes to mean roughly what we are seeing with the MSM. Essentially coverage to hide and manipulate. And if you think about it, sort of that is one definition.

That said, if the word is starting to shift, like Gay did, will not be clear for another ten to fifteen years.

The first time it was quite grating by the way. It took me asking for clarification, but I have heard it a few times to realize that is happening. So if this is a young person, it might be a usage issue.

That said, yup, the tinfoil it was a false flag is alive and well...in the usual places. In fact, I gotta go to one of them now that this young man admitted the goal of this massacre.

[Blue_Tires]

103. I'll concede the one thing we indirectly agree on

Is that news that I personally think is nationally/globally important and worthy of heavy coverage can differ greatly from news you, the OP, some basement dwellers on Reddit, or anyone else thinks is most important; and that's perfectly fine -- Seven billion people walk the planet, and there are seven billion versions of reality...

Now that you bring up millenials evolving the defition of propaganda, I'm a bit curious as a former reporter... Do they honestly believe we come to work in the morning searching for smokescreen stories so we can *not* cover a major controversial issue being batted around congress?

I will let you in on one trade secret...Ratings are king baby, and all things being equal, American broadcast news coverage will always default to the simple, easy-to-understand stories, because that is what draws viewers...

Mass shootings? Easy to comprehend and easier for commentators to discuss how its tragic, violence is wrong, etc.

Plane crashes? Easy...

Weather/industrial disasters, earthquakes, abducted children? Easy, easy, easy...

Immigration? Difficult, since it is a hot topic issue, and there are no simple solutions.

Healthcare? Hard

Poverty? It's easy to *show* poor people, but God help you once you start diving into the discussion about *why* they are poor...

Abortion? Easy-- Yeah it's hot topic, but also very polarizing so everyone has an opinion one way or the other...

Celebrity sex scandals? Same as above

Racial issues? Same as above...

Riots? Ratings goldmine

And so on...

[nadinbrzezinski]

106. Some answers

Now that you bring up millenials evolving the defition of propaganda, I'm a bit curious as a former reporter... Do they honestly believe we come to work in the morning searching for smokescreen stories so we can *not* cover a major controversial issue being batted around congress?

Some do, the percentage of how many people believe this is not clear to me, but quite a bit of news consumers do and it is not just millenials believe that media is a big conspiracy meant for control. Some old chessnuts are clear as well. And I know why the news goes the way it goes... but I prefer to be respected a tad more and treated like an intelligent news consumer.

As to the rest, yup, if it bleeds it leads (which is what we are getting).

What matters to me on this story... I would love it if they did a lot more coverage on white supremacy, white pride and all that lovely stuff. They have just touched around the edges. And mostly it has been in the higher tier coverage, like NPR... as much as NPR has issues, they do touch on matters like this.

I would love it if they spoke to the role of the Internet in modern day hate philosophies, not just ISIS, but this as well. (For the record John Hackenberry had a good discussion on this with the Southern Poverty Law Center Intelligence Unit chief)

This is to a point policy and I know policy is not generally speaking covered, but it used to. Why? There was a fire early in the morning about three blocks from me. It was a two alarm fire. Those are very easy stories to do, and rarely need any followup, and draw a lot of traffic. I know. I was tempted to just get dressed and go get the gimme story.

As to poverty, I dared look at the stats, I know that story if submitted to journalism awards, because of the NATURE of the business, will not even register and win awards. So to be honest, will save my quid. Policy, how the issues in Mexico affect us in a border city, people care, but don't expect the major outlets to cover it, or many journalists to care. So when we have a revolution, not if, and SDG&E has to shit energy projects to make up for one just south... then they will act surprised and all.

The Chargers leaving town... eyes on screen... truly

[TimeToEvolve]

50. apparently some people aren't ready to hear certain things because they might get upset.

instead they just don't think about them; ego = 1/knowledge

entertaining an idea without accepting it is how an intellectual figures it out.
yet most do not even want to consider the possibility.
willful ignorance




thanks for the post ...

[zappaman]

82. Self deleting now?

Can't say I blame you...

[valerief]

51. That's what the morbidtainment is for. nt

[Hekate]

54. That's a rather vile point of view. Have some more tinfoil for your hat....

[davidn3600]

61. Not one mention by the media of this passing

Corporate America just pulled another big win for themselves.

[BumRushDaShow]

69. WTF kind of bullshit post

The fucking TPP obsessives have gone over the top now.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

102. 11 recs for this piece of

shit.

[PowerToThePeople]

86. I knew that would happen. How would we have stopped it?

At least we still have the Senate ahead.

[Doctor_J]

89. That was pretty tacky

But the government in dc is now so corrupt that it's impossible to get outraged at any single debasement

[betterdemsonly]

93. They took advantage of Katrina to push the corrupt Louisiana Charter Schools

It is called the shock doctrine.

Katrina wasn't propaganda. Wingnuts just know how to use a real crisis to their advantage.

[Drunken Irishman]

100. Not digging your subtle (or not so) implication. What the fuck you hinting at?

[J_J_]

101. so it has been a day now....is the media covering the TPP now?....

Is the far left liberal media reporting on the TPP passage in the House?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=6865281

[LanternWaste]

105. In the last 24 hours, the Economist, NBC, CBS, Wall Street Journal, Think Progress, Washington Post,

In the last 24 hours, the Economist, NBC, CBS, Wall Street Journal, Think Progress, Washington Post, CNN, NBC, etc. have run stories on the TPP.

Simply because we ourselves may fail (or refuse) to see that which invalidates our bias noes not in fact, deny those stories exist.

(please continue moving goalposts in space provided below)

[zappaman]

108. Yes

Your concern is duly noted.

[LanternWaste]

104. Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. The best friend of the half-witted.

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. The best friend of the half-witted.