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and then proceeded to burn the economy down to dust and ash while making a financial killing in the process.”
http://billmoyers.com/2015/06/19/hillary-clintons-wall-street-address/
Hillary Clinton’s Wall Street Address
They’re also among the deep-pocket outfits that paid for speeches and appearances by Hillary or Bill Clinton to the tune of more than $125 million since they left the White House in 2001. It could hardly escape some in that crowd on Roosevelt Island, catching a glimpse of the towers of power and might across the river: Can we really expect someone so deeply tethered to the financial and business class – who moves so often and so easily among its swells – to fight hard to check their predatory appetites, dismantle their control of Congress, and stand up for the working people who are their prey?
Consider the two Canadian banks with financial ties to the Keystone XL pipeline that fully or partially paid for eight speeches by Hillary Clinton. Or her $3.2 million in lecture fees from the tech sector. Or the more than $2.5 million in paid speeches for companies and groups lobbying for fast-track trade. According to TIME magazine and the Center for Responsive Politics, in 2014, “Almost half of the money from Hillary Clinton’s speaking engagements came from corporations and advocacy groups that were lobbying Congress at the same time… In all, the corporations and trade groups that Clinton spoke to in 2014 spent $72.5 million lobbying Congress that same year.”
Much much more at link ...and it is well worth reading it all if you really give a damn about our future.
IMO we are fighting the for the last chance to start the disconnection of the 1% from our government. If you ever really cared about our children's and your future vote for Bernie. He really is their and your last chance to have a government that truly represents the common people of the USA. Bernie can be the start of the disconnection from the 1% strangle hold on our government and us. It's not too late to change your mind. You have until the end of the primary.
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orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)
daleanime
(17,796 posts)
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I should eat more salad, and it is good to know that rib eyes qualify 
hootinholler
(26,451 posts)They eat grass so we don't have to.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)she won't. She made her stand and it happens to be on all our collective necks.
Dustlawyer
(10,539 posts)government with huge campaign and other BRIBES! That is what they are! There is a Quid Pro Quo, the evidence is overwhelming! Hillary may be better than ANY Republican candidate, but they all answer to the same Donors, not is!
Bernie has long proven that he only has our interests at heart. Politicians like Bernie rarely come along and we must take advantage of it if we ever hope to save this once great country!
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)politician just to be nice. There are always strings attached when someone gives money to a politician.
This is going to become the biggest issue of this campaign.
I saw a statement somewhere today about Bernie making this a huge issue.
It was something like this:
'If Occupy Wall St was the seed, Bernie is the fruit'
Nothing can be accomplished until the money is taken out of our electoral system.
There would be no Ted Kruz or Michelle Bachmann if there was no money in politics.
There would have been no George Bush, no Jeb, no Dick Cheney, without that money.
We have a chance as a people to join Bernie Sanders in saying 'I don't want their money' and 'enough is enough'.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)he then pushed this. This isn't change I can believe in. This isn't the man I voted for twice. He fooled a lot of us or we would not be surprised he's pushing the TPP so hard. This may be perceptions clashing here but I actually lost friends voting and defending him. I personally feel really betrayed by these stances.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)become something entirely different.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I worked harder for the Public Option than he did.
I STILL get ridiculed about that from the people I convinced to try the Democrat this time if they want "change".
Boy, was I ever the fool.
Big Slim
(10 posts)Maybe Hillary is playing the banks, and will betray them once in the White House.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)
aspirant
(3,533 posts)reads all the labels and checks the price tag first. A Wall Street product is regularly overpriced.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Like a mortgage-backed security.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts) 
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Just like Obama...I am sure of it.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I haven't laughed like that since I was a little girl.
Stryder
(450 posts)
merrily
(45,251 posts)Really incredible.
Must be primary season.
Have fun.
calikid
(710 posts)someone to fight for because he'd fighting for us.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Don't take any of it too seriously.
calikid
(710 posts)But, this is some serious insanity, I seem to be laughing to keep from crying.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I'm glad you laugh. Smile and laugh as much as you can. Supposedly, it's good for your health, physical and emotional. And, anyway, it's fun.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)When coats are turned, it's usually the average man and woman who find themselves betrayed. FDR was the only president (to this date) who did it the other way around.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Just sayin' 
madokie
(51,076 posts)I'm sure Hillary is free to say and do whatever it takes to win this election by the rich and well connected who own her. Their knowing full well that a little or a big lie here and there can and just might get them the prize they so cherish.
With her speech today it tells me she has free reins now
Hillary is not on our, (99%) side and I'm not so sure she ever was. She's been running for this office since Bill took the reins all those years ago.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and other representatives of the "scum of the earth" class speak for themselves.
You get judged by the company you keep.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)
Just heartwarming, that.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Kissinger has more blood on his hands than could be washed off in ten thousand lifetimes. HRC described him as a "defender of human rights." That alone proves she should not be within a light year of the presidency. And a light year is 5.5 TRILLION miles.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Mine is crawling, though I doubt that is superior to creeping. Both are unpleasant.
hootinholler
(26,451 posts)Get a room!
stonecutter357
(13,045 posts)
stonecutter357
(13,045 posts) 
demigoddess
(6,675 posts)???
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Shut up and eat your quarter-pound shit sandwich or you get a third-pound shit sandwich instead. I want a different damn menu.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And a real Republican, people will choose the real Republican every time.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Hillary is not keeping personal company with banksters, she
has to deal with them. They are fact of life!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)He has a net income of above 150,000. He has money in banks!
He using Dem party money to get on the ballot!
The money was raised from many high roller in the party
azmom
(5,208 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)a dual attack. Speak the truth and back it up with multiple Senate bills(action) defining himself in present time.
Use the Senate to his advantage and make HRC respond to his ACTIONS with only her words.
Bernie is a unrestrained Champion and not a SoS following orders
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Thank you LOonix!! So very true! 
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
My nose holding days in the voting booth are over.
I haven't been happy with my vote since the first.
Jimmy Carter 1980.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)K&R
She will say and do anything to get elected, and once there will show her true colors by pushing her corporate agenda.
antigop
(12,778 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Bernie has ask yall to stop it..... but on, and on and on...... it is doing more harm than good for Bernie...... It like yall want Bernie not to elected. geeez
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Srsly
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)is the only way for him to be elected..... not " I'm not HRC"
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)He can bring his own attributes along with this criticism of HRC.
The Green Manalishi
(1,054 posts)
delrem
(9,688 posts)That won't happen, and it has nothing to do with Bernie.
It's called "democracy", and "free speech", so you might as well get used to it because there'll be a lot more of it over the next year.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Bernie realizes the harm... that why he has been begging yall to quit!
Autumn
(48,962 posts)Got a copy I can borrow? 
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)google is you friend!
Autumn
(48,962 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Autumn
(48,962 posts)I like Hillary too, I just don't want her as President either. Must be why I like Bernie, we believe in the same things. 
Martin Eden
(15,628 posts)Unless you can find evidence the Sanders campaign instructed or paid Bill Moyers or DUers to point out HRC's deep connections to Wall Street, the link you posted is irrelevant.
But that's not what's important here, or why I think you're mistaken.
Vitally important is for the American people to be fully informed about the candidates for the most influential and powerful elected office in the world.
Why would you not want voters to be fully informed?
I would join you in criticizing negative attacks containing half-truths or outright lies, like smearing Obama as a non-citizen/muslim/marxist. But your posts in this thread do not dispute the facts and the point being made in the OP. Instead, you're criticizing the OP because you apparently think exposing the real live skeletons in Hillary's closet will somehow hurt Bernie more than Hillary.
I think you are terribly mistaken about that.
Most Democrats who vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary will do so believing that as president she will be a champion for the vast majority of people who are not rich and do not benefit from senseless wars in the Middle East. Many of them would be disabused of that notion if they were better informed about Hillary's actual record and cozy relationship with the titans of finance whose schemes crashed our economy.
A hawkish Wall Street Dem in the Oval Office will NOT be the champion for change that our country so desperately needs.
I think the vast majority of Democratic primary voters would agree with that statement, but they simply don't know it describes Hillary Clinton. It's vitally important they know it.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)rather how it is being said and why it is being said. Bernie is right we should keep to the promoting all his positive attributes...that how he will be elected.
Martin Eden
(15,628 posts)Your first sentence implies it's fine to point out HRC's Wall Street ties, but it must be done in a certain way for the right motives (sounds like you're besmirching Bill Moyers, whom most liberal Dems greatly respect).
In your 2nd sentence you state we should keep to Bernie's positives, which implies HRC's glaring faults should not be brought forward, period.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)He is a truth-teller.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)...and yet you use a Bernie avatar.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)you will not find any where I have opposed Bernie and have stated many times my support for him. No need to make stuff up.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)So what's your point?
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)If it's negative, that's on her.
rurallib
(64,688 posts)
arikara
(5,562 posts)It's a necessary part of the dialog. We lost the last election in BC because the leader went to an only positive message. He needed to talk about the corruption and incompetence but he was too nice and because of that lost. Sad but true.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)she wouldn't have these problems. She lost in 2008, too.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)And i am willing to wager one thousand dollars that goes to the charity of the winner's choice should she lose as long as my betting partner is willing to do the same.
or in the alternative
eat a dead rat on youtube if she loses as long as my betting partner does the same if she wins
Deal?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Eating a dead rat?
What? 
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)In fact I would wager I would eat a dead rat and a dead mouse if she lost the nomination.
You thought you would give me a lil shot by gratuitously adding "she lost in 2008, too" and DSB being the crazy guy he is demonstrated how supremely confident he is that isn't going to happen.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)simply because I value you as a human being enough to not even have a remote chance of you eating a dead rat or dead mouse, or damn, a dead anything.
Dear Lord.
Let's not get nasty and self-abusive here. It isn't necessary.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)I was just demonstrating my confidence that Hillary isn't going to let me down.
Oh, before you answer, no, I wouldn't have made such a grandiose gesture in 2008 because the circumstances were much different.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)We may not agree, but I don't want to picture anybody eating dead things. We're all Democrats even when we disagree, and EWWWW.
I love you as a person more than that, even in the most heated of arguments!
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)That really means a lot to me...
Because I feel some of my adversaries on this board envision worth fates befalling me.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)We support Democratic candidates. Ill-wishing on each other is nearly as bad as electing Republicans.
We support Democratic candidates because we are human beings that care about other human beings - that's why I'm a Democrat, and probably why you are, too.
We can't forget what forges us together as Democrats in the heat of the primary, my friend.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)The Democratic party and Democratic politicians.
That's why I'm here.
Paka
(2,760 posts)Rat was often on the menu when I was a Peace Corps volenteer in Ivory Coast. With the right sauce, it can be quite tasty.
arikara
(5,562 posts)Live rats on the other hand... Wasn't there an old sci fi show where the lizard people ate live rats?
The name of it escapes me.
Johnny Noshoes
(2,003 posts)nt.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts) Keep trying. 
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)The GOP will control all the branches of our government. Sorry, he is unelectable in the General.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)DhhD
(4,695 posts)the new Bills that he is introducing in Congress. Nov 2016, one third of the seats in Congress are up for a vote after Town Hall meetings, primaries, and the Executive Debates. Sanders wants to add more debates to the election process. Issues and voting records, debate questions, and accusations can be made from a study of voting records and/or the Republican Platform. Here is a Texas example of issues:
http://www.tfn.org/site/PageServer?pagename=issues_religious_right_watch_TXGOP_Platform
We the People could set up debates in Town Halls, community colleges, and state Universities. If Republicans do not want to come, Texans can have, Roots, speeches themselves.
tjl148
(185 posts)I would have to disagree.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)At least not for the Democratic Party.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)SHE IS THE RIGHT CANDIDATE FOR ME, FOR THE SEVENTY SEVEN PERCENT OF DEMOCRATS, FOR THE NINETY PERCENT OF AFRICAN AMERICAN DEMOCRATS, AND THE EIGHTY ONE PERCENT OF LATINO DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE A FAVORABLE OPINION OF HER:
cui bono, I see you like Latin...Do you know who will benefit from a Clinton administration? Plebeians like myself and not groups of disaffected intellectuals or folks who like to fancy themselves as such on a random internet board.
Martin Eden
(15,628 posts)If voters were more fully informed of Hillary Clinton's cozy relationship with the titans of finance whose schemes crashed our economy, those opinion polls would very likely change.
Basing your vote on which candidate is ahead in the polls is, in my opinion, not a very smart method very deciding who will best represent the interests of the majority of the American people.
I think it's accurate to say Hillary Clinton is a hawkish Wall Street Dem, based on her actual record.
If that's the kind of president you want, then she has earned your vote.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But that only applies for those that hold favorable opinions of the candidate I don't support. Those with favorable opinions of the candidate I support are fully informed, rational thinkers.
Huh?
Martin Eden
(15,628 posts)If you think the American voting public is, as a whole, very well informed, and that opinion polls reflect a knowledgeable electorate with well developed critical thinking skills, my answer to you is:
LOL
The two sentence paragraph you wrote is 100% strawman containing zero meaning or text from my post.
Beyond that, it boils down to actual facts and analysis -- neither of which you addressed regarding Hillary being a hawkish Wall Street Dem. When you start building strawmen and posting nonsense to defend a candidate, you really should reconsider your positio.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)How could seventy seven seven percent of Democrats, ninety percent of African American Democrats, and eighty one percent of Latino Democrats and plebeians like myself ever be as prescient as the denizens of this board?
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_61615.pdf
PAGE 37
Martin Eden
(15,628 posts)As in every slice of society, there are varying degrees of prescience (though that's not really an accurate word to describe being well informed and applying critical thought when engaging in the democratic process). However, I would say the average DUer is much better informed than the average Teapartier.
I'm not sure why you would respond to the content of my post with yet another opinion poll, this time about the leading Republican candidates. Given the point you were trying to make with the poll about Democratic candidates (that favorability ratings reflect the opinions of well informed voters), you apparently think people would vote for the likes of Rubio, Bush, and Walker based on a thorough knowledge of the candidates and the effects of their policies.
That's pretty much contrary to my understanding of most Republican voters who are not wealthy. For the most part they have been fooled into voting against their own interests by constant exposure to Fox News and other rightwing sources. Rather than being well informed they have been misinformed and are lacking in critical thinking skills.
However, since you posted both polls to support your line of reasoning, you apparently think Rubio, Bush, and Walker would all make a pretty good president -- after all, opinion polls couldn't be wrong about something like that, right?
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_61615.pdf
PAGE 37
What information is on pg 37. ?
Again I'm just a helpless plebeian and nowhere near as smart as the denizens of this board or some of the denizens of this board but thank God I am smart enough to read and even make inferences from what I read and what I infer from the data on Page 37 of the poll I cited is that rank and file Democrats like her, rank and file Latino Democrats really like her and African American Democrats really, really like her.
Martin Eden
(15,628 posts)I'll take that for what it's worth, which is not very much regarding the actual qualities that Democratic voters ostensibly want in a president.
Do you think rank and file Democrats "really really" like Hillary Clinton because she's a hawk on foreign policy (having voted for the Iraq war) and has close ties to wall Street?
I think the results of that poll have a lot more to do with name recognition and the presidency of Bill Clinton. Until recently Bernie Sanders has had very little exposure in the mainstream media, and most of that has tried to paint him as a fringe candidate with extreme views and no chance of winning. It's way too early to gauge how that can change before the big primaries roll around.
But what interests me the most are the actual qualifications of the candidates and what kind of policies they will likely try to implement. To me that's the most important part of any discussion about who we should support as a candidate.
And that's what you've avoided discussing. Instead, you just offer up opinion polls.
If you really, really like presidential candidates who thought invading Iraq was a good idea and who is very cozy with the big shots on Wall Street, then by all means you should vote for a candidate like that.
Personally, I think those are HUGE reasons for rank and file Democrats to support someone who would better represent their interests and change the terrible course this country has been on.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)She has been in the public eye for some forty five years... She is universally known. She is a fixed quantity. It's not as if rank and file Democrats are going to wake up and conclude they don't like her any more...There are reams of data that suggest how fixed people's opinions are and how hard it is to move them.
Hillary Clinton is hugely popular because she talks about issues that rank and file Democrats are interested in like immigration reform, criminal justice reform, voting rights, glbtq rights, making health care available to everyone independent of ability to pay, a liveable wage, et cetera.
Maybe the circles I travel in are just not that rarefied. When I talk to my friends it's about how they can get documented, whether their same sex marriage will be recognized at the federal level, and how they can get access to medical care...I rarely hear discussions about banksters, corporatists and the 1%-99% divide.
Martin Eden
(15,628 posts)That indicates a blind spot that needs to be rectified, because the financial manipulations on Wall Street have had a huge negative impact on the people in the circles you travel (and on the vast majority of Americans). The economic crash of 2007-2008 was almost entirely caused by schemes on Wall Street that were made possible by the repeal of Glass-Steagall (signed by Bill Clinton). To avoid a repeat of that disaster will require an overhaul of financial regulations that are opposed by Hillary Clinton's big donors on Wall Street.
Do the voters who really, really like Hillary Clinton know this? If not, then I submit she may be universally recognized but is not universally "known."
The Iraq war Hillary Clinton voted for will cost $3trillion or more when all is said and done. The resulting budget deficits have put the squeeze on every program that helps Americans in need, as well as investments in education and infrastructure needed for our children's future. You mentioned some things Hillary has talked about, and this should include her words on foreign policy which show every indication she is still a hawk.
Every issue you mentioned as a positive for Hillary is also a positive for Bernie Sanders, and every difference between them that I can think of (except recognition in these early opinion polls) greatly favors Bernie in terms of his record on the issues and as a president who will be a true champion for the people you and I both care about.
Very well said.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts) Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)HedgeFund Management is the way to go in life. Not only Live it, but Marry into it. That spelled it out completely what the Clinton's were all about a long while ago. That and Pres. Bill Clinton's speech about us having to get used to a more reduced quality of life while pushing NAFTA at us all.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Some demand to live as modern royalty, even if that means royally screwing the rest of us, forever.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)As to the rest, you are completely wrong. Wall Street and big business is who will benefit from an HRC admin, just like the did from a BC admin. Not to mention, Hillary can't garner any crossover votes as she is too polarizing and has too much baggage. She is "the establishment" and represents the status quo. Bernie can win the general because he is bringing a fresh approach of authenticity and giving voice to the people's concerns and thereby appealing to disaffected voters and Republicans.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)I am a huge fan of spontaneous moral outrage and the mistreatment of Hillary Clinton and her supporters on this board is outrageous.
Hillary can't garner any crossover votes as she is too polarizing and has too much baggage. She is "the establishment" and represents the status quo. Bernie can win the general because he is bringing a fresh approach of authenticity and giving voice to the people's concerns and thereby appealing to disaffected voters and Republicans.
Your value laden analysis is belied by the empirical evidence:
Clinton leads Jeb Bush and Chris Christie each by 4 at 45/41, Scott Walker by 4 as well
at 46/42, has a 5 point advantage over Mike Huckabee at 47/42, is up 6 on Carly Fiorina
and Ted Cruz at 46/40 and 48/42 respectively, and has a 7 point edge over Rand Paul at
47/40. Clinton's 3 to 7 point lead range is comparable to our April poll when she led by 3
to 9 points, but down from February when we found her leading the GOP hopefuls by 7
to 10 points.
Clinton continues to be a far superior general election candidate to any of the other
Democratic hopefuls. Scott Walker would lead Martin O'Malley and Bernie Sanders each
by 8 at 39/31 and 40/32 respectively, Jim Webb by 11 at 39/28, and Lincoln Chafee by
12 at 39/27
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_61615.pdf
cui bono
(19,926 posts)are Bernie and his supporters.
The talking points are not only ridiculous but offensive and they are right out of Karl Rove's playbook. The constant whining that Bernie supporters are mean and childish at the same time an OP in the HRC group calls for tattling to the Sanders campaign by emailing him posts from DU is hypocritical at best.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(101,852 posts)So my observations are a function of what I see here...
I agree with you that some HRC supporters are behaving badly...If you rattle the lion's cage enough he might just break out of it and eat you.
"An eye for an eye leaves us both blind."
marym625
(17,997 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)
L0oniX
(31,493 posts) 
dvduval
(263 posts)If the only person we can elect is a tainted candidate, that means things may not go so smooth in the years ahead. If it came down to me voting for Hillary vs ANY offering by the GOP, I'm 99.9% sure Hillary would be my choice, but I hope we can have more than just Hillary and Bernie. We need a strong field of candidates that will become our future leaders.
marym625
(17,997 posts)
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)KICK
and recommend!
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...is a lot stronger.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)A "D" behind a name doesn't in itself make someone a Democrat. Sad that some here don't realize that.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Some on here don't care about that. They seem to think the economy is fine and moving in the right direction. They are not even the least bit concerned about the TPP. That shows you what we're dealing with.
Thankfully, the general population is not as centrist as a lot of DUers are.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)It's getting more and more amazing daily, how those that support the $ame old, $ame old...want (virtually demand) that everyone else support the same.
I'm over supporting that $ame old, $ame old, just because.
kath
(10,565 posts)No more Trojan Horses!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)He's a strong candidate with executive experience. It isn't Hillary or a Republican - it is the nominee vs. a Republican, and Hillary isn't the nominee yet.
elleng
(141,926 posts)and for those who might be interested in learning somethings:
Martin O'Malley:
1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.
Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk
More:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)elleng
(141,926 posts) Aerows
(39,961 posts)instead of the cardboard corporate politician cutouts we've had for decades on both sides, mouthing pablum to what they think is palatable and then doing the exact opposite.
I'm rather tired of that, isn't everybody else?
I am.
(I'm pretty sure somebody is going to alert on me because I stated my unadulterated opinion, but so it goes).
Autumn
(48,962 posts)
That's what we have with Sanders and O'Malley. It's been a long time since we have had two such great choices. Have we ever? Aerows
(39,961 posts)I hope we continue to have such embarrassments
hootinholler
(26,451 posts)
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Sanders and O'Malley.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)with a strong platform on issues. I'd never be shy in stating that he is a great candidate.
elleng
(141,926 posts) L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
hedda_foil
(16,985 posts)For instance, a Guardian article that shows how Bill got suckered into the repugnant Commodities Futures Modernization Act that dumped Glass Steagall. http://ow.ly/Ovyq1
babylonsister
(172,759 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
Although I'm not one of their fans.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Some people don't give a damn about our future. They only care about Their future.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Watching Obama try to ram the TPP down our throats, has left no doubt in my mind that neoliberals will do almost anything to get theirs, without conscience. That is unacceptable.
SaranchaIsWaiting
(247 posts)when she was caught off camera saying the We Came, We Saw, He Died. That was so horrific, I was completely stunned by that and was reminded of George W. Bushes mocking of Karla Faye Tucker on death row. Both of those responses left me with the same sick feeling and wondering what kind of person is this?
Something so very deep and unsettling about that. I could not support this kind of person.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)She is qualified, she is smart politician, she knows how to play a few
cards on behalf the American people. She has been a loyal dem, if
she was just about money she could have made a lot more money
on Wall St.
Bernie has never accomplished anything, he using the Dem party money
to get on the ballot. He is using the money Hillary and Obama raised
for Dems.
SaranchaIsWaiting
(247 posts)He has been on the right side of issues his enter political career. He supports the American people, not the few that hold all the money bags and hold the anvil over all our heads.
He is waking up the people that Know there is something terribly wrong with our system. The system that pays a known Presidential candidate and her family handsomely for speeches for future return on their investment.
Just stopping the GOP is not enough when business as usual is guaranteed. Bernie can stop the GOP as well, or better, than Clinton. He is the better choice for betterment.
lewebley3
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Its easy to talk, when you have no responsibilities, Bernie has nothing to lose,
Hillary is the only chance the Dem have to stop the GOP.
Bernie has no qualifications to be president, he has never managed a government.
The total population in Vermont is 600,000. He has never been responsible for
the American people.
The Clinton Admission was one of the most successfully in history!
We know what we are getting with Hillary! I dint' want another white guy!
SaranchaIsWaiting
(247 posts)wow.
tjl148
(185 posts)By your criteria President Obama was not qualified to run for president. Just curious, who did you support in the Clinton/Obama primary?
I do agree with you that with Hillary we know what we are getting. And I don't like it.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)Considering her mediocre mind, she has accomplished a lot. She is doing her best with what she has.
I don't disagree with your post.
stonecutter357
(13,045 posts) 
rock
(13,218 posts)One would have a heckuva time proving any of this in court.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)was the last president of either party who was not a Wall Street shill. Not putting another one in the White House should be the goal of every democrat, and that choice will be made in the primary.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Stop stealin' my lines.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)of her commitment to social and economic equality for all sounds so good, then there's what is in this post. She cannot be trusted with the economic future of struggling, hardworking and marginalized people, no matter her current stand on gun violence and racial inequality. She is THE corporate and banker tool. I really have to be careful when listening to her promises. There is only one so far that has shown any history of as one said here, "walking the walk".
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The Clintons have an established history of saying whatever it takes to get elected without meaning a word of it. We are neither stupid nor forgetful.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Your post helps the GOP, If you arent' the GOP post this!
heaven05
(18,124 posts)because of someone showing the truth of your candidate. No it won't help the GOP, it will help with using critical thinking skills that will be necessary to pick the best candidate for 'the people' and so far it isn't just Hillary.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)That helps the GOP! Speak up of Sanders don't attack a loyal
Dem.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)her record is something I can comment on without fear of "bashing" her. I will, as many will, speak up about her corporate and banker ties on Wall Street and her claim as a populist. That information in the OP is out there to add to the information critical thinkers need to make the correct decision in choosing the right candidate to represent us in the general election and when they gain the WH. No bashing, just able to read of histories and records of money gained and HOW, of the two front runners in the democratic party race.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Hillary's hard work at raising money for the Dem, is what Bernie is
using to get on the ballot.
Also most Americans have money in the banks, what we need is
more Dem's in the seats of congress.
Bashing a loyal Dem only helps the GOP.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I stand by what I have written.
Yeah ...and your vote for Hillary helps global corporations ...along with the oligarchy 1%. Maybe you are rich too?lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Hillary could be worth triple net, if she was just gaming a system.
She as been a loyal Dem and worked for the party for over 30 years,
she doesn't have anything to prove to anyone who has watched her
career.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)and I have watched her career. Not impressed yet.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)You are ready stand in her way and help the GOP
heaven05
(18,124 posts)she has my vote, I can't in good conscience do anything else, but I will have serious reservations. Period. May the best candidate win.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Most politicians from both major parties are connected to some big business, big money, special interests. Sanders is not because he is a progressive, so that's why I support him. However, let's be careful about painting with a broad brush. Even the worst, most evil politician in the country will draw some lines when it comes to taking money from pedophiles, neo-Nazis, convicted criminals, etc. So you need to look at the contributors and supporters and draw specific conclusions about which specific interests are being served. In the case of Hillary Clinton, its fair to accuse her of "being in the pocket" of the pipeline people, even though she would argue its not true. Its a reasonable accusation founded on specific data. However, it's not fair to generalize that she is a class traitor, serves the interests of the rich and powerful, etc. until you can cite examples that show quid pro quo on a broad spectrum of issues. If half her money comes from advocacy groups, what we call "special interests," which ones are they? Does that include the AFL-CIO? The ACLU? NAACP? Yes, I agree with Sanders that politicians should stay away from special interest money altogether, but I also want to know which particular special interests are giving money to a candidate before I draw any conclusions regarding class warfare.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)there are many of those ...not when it comes to the big money donors. Capitalists are not usually in the habit of passing out free no strings attached money ...for campaigns or other.
PatrickforO
(15,425 posts)Sure, Clinton would be better than any Republican, but at the end of the day, I fear she's far too enmeshed in Wall Street to actually represent the American PEOPLE.
Neoliberal capitalism is a cancer on the face of the earth - these big corporatists are literally killing our planet to turn a profit. We have to draw the line NOW, because if we don't our children and grandchildren will be heartily sorry we didn't.
BeanMusical
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pansypoo53219
(23,034 posts)PANDER. for all you know, hillary is a STEALTH candidate willing too change AFTER being elected. ITS CALLED STRATEGY!!!
ARE YOU TRYING TO ELECT ANOTHER BUSH????