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betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 12:13 AM Jun 2015

Obama accepts the legitimacy of corporate lobbyists. The NRA benefits from that.

That is the "New Normal." Unless he repudiates the legitimacy of corporate power, it is impossible to deal with certain problems. He is part of the problem. That is the reason we can't deal with gun problem or the environmental problem.

Hillary can take a technically stronger position on guns than Bernie but she can not deliver because she accepts the legitimacy of corporate lobbying too.

The nra benefits form k-street power, and dlc/new democrats are in denial about it. They halucinate that their silicon valley/wallstreet donors can be separated neatly from big oil, and the nra, but it isn't true. If you empower corporate power, you empower big oil and the nra, as well as wall street and silicon valley. Then they are also in denial about the damage wall street and silicon valley do to ordinary Americans,.

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Obama accepts the legitimacy of corporate lobbyists. The NRA benefits from that. (Original Post) betterdemsonly Jun 2015 OP
The NRA benefits from millions of gun loving yahoos who buy gunz. I applaud Clinton for Hoyt Jun 2015 #1
Even the conservative justices on the SCOTUS have recognized the legitimacy of gun control betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #2
I don't think Clinton has supported Citizen United. I think a SC that would welcome tough gun laws, Hoyt Jun 2015 #3
Bernie voted against the Brady Bill after the NRA contributed $18,000 to defeat Bernie's opponent. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #4
Do you have a link? Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #5
Here: Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #6
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. The NRA benefits from millions of gun loving yahoos who buy gunz. I applaud Clinton for
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 12:23 AM
Jun 2015

saying "screw you" to them. Whether she can get laws passed is hard to say. She can sure nominate Justices with intellect who might. Even if Sanders had shown guts to say no to gunners in past, I don't think he'd have any chance of pushing gun restrictions through.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
2. Even the conservative justices on the SCOTUS have recognized the legitimacy of gun control
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 12:30 AM
Jun 2015

laws so this is not a Supreme Court issue, like abortion. The reason we don't have gun control is because the legislature no longer passes gun control laws for them to review.

As for the courts, Bernie will most certainly appoint justices that defend abortion rights. He will also appoint justices that don't believe corporations are citizens, which is not a sure thing with Hillary.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. I don't think Clinton has supported Citizen United. I think a SC that would welcome tough gun laws,
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 12:37 AM
Jun 2015

and interprete the 2nd Amendment as written, would help. If f Sanders wins nomination, I'll support him. Heck if he shows he could win GE, I might even vote for him in primary. I ain't there yet.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. Bernie voted against the Brady Bill after the NRA contributed $18,000 to defeat Bernie's opponent.
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 12:39 AM
Jun 2015

Yes, he listens to lobbyists.

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