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sasha031

(6,700 posts)
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:32 AM May 2012

Boehner Threatens To Take The Debt Limit Hostage Again

Last August, the nation narrowly avoided hitting its debt limit thanks to a last minute deal cut by Congress. House Republicans had threatened to push the country into a default unless Democrats agreed to spending cuts that were larger than the amount of the debt limit increase.
The episode is widely regarded as an embarrassment for good governance and a blow for the economy. Standard & Poor’s, even with the deal, downgraded America’s credit rating, citing the GOP’s complete intransigence regarding revenue increases. But it seems Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) is ready to write the sequel, as he will reportedly demand today that the next increase in the debt limit follow the same GOP criteria:

In a speech Tuesday, House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) plans to address the issue of national debt, which will once again be nearing its legal limit in January, just as the tax hikes and spending cuts are due to hit.
According to advance remarks provided to The Post, Boehner will insist that any increase in the debt limit be accompanied by spending “cuts and reforms greater than the debt limit increase” — the same demand that pushed the Treasury to the brink of default during last summer’s debt-limit standoff.

According to the Economic Policy Institute, the cuts demanded by the GOP in exchange for raising the debt limit will cost the economy 1.8 million jobs this year. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner already pushed back on Boehner’s remarks, saying, “this commitment to meet the obligations of the nation, this commitment to protect the creditworthiness of the country, is a fundamental commitment that you can never call into question or violate.”
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/05/15/484255/boehner-debt-limit-sequel/

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Boehner Threatens To Take The Debt Limit Hostage Again (Original Post) sasha031 May 2012 OP
And refuse to take responsibility for tanking the economy by claiming no_hypocrisy May 2012 #1
All Help In Expelling Republicans from Congress Is Appreciated, Sir The Magistrate May 2012 #2
how I hope your right sasha031 May 2012 #3
And Damned Few People Liked It, Sir, and All Of them Knew It was Boehner And His Crew To Blame The Magistrate May 2012 #4
People around me blamed Obama. NS2012 May 2012 #29
If the President still does not use his 14th amendment perogatvie we're doomed. xtraxritical May 2012 #34
How foolish they are, right before the election...n/t monmouth May 2012 #5
Foolish? Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #7
And that's why I say the repubs are foolish... monmouth May 2012 #8
Well Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #9
I'd buy nails for that coffin..LOL..n/t monmouth May 2012 #13
I'd be happy to help drive them in. hifiguy May 2012 #42
Kind of like waiting for the public to wake up to how the nixon&RAYgun ESCALATED Drug War has supraTruth May 2012 #12
Boehner's Plan SoutherDem May 2012 #6
If the president rebuffs him Fearless May 2012 #19
I agree but Boehner doesn't. SoutherDem May 2012 #22
+1 All the better! Fearless May 2012 #23
Actually we lost. obxhead May 2012 #31
It led to a shift towards Democratic candidates and away from Republican ones. Fearless May 2012 #38
Do it Flatpicker May 2012 #10
I wish I shared your optimism, NS2012 May 2012 #30
Fuck the Republicans. Woody Woodpecker May 2012 #11
Ahh, another austerity addict.....speaks again.... MindMover May 2012 #14
Are we going to have to do this again? hughee99 May 2012 #15
I think the general public will ask that same question. GoCubsGo May 2012 #33
The President should call out John Boehner by name... kentuck May 2012 #16
President Obama should exercise his executive power under the 14th amendment before November sixth. xtraxritical May 2012 #35
Because taking the government down worked out so well HillWilliam May 2012 #17
LOL @ "selfservatives" - Love it! n/t Beartracks May 2012 #27
My partner came up with that one HillWilliam May 2012 #40
Let him. Fearless May 2012 #18
Yet another artificial crisis to be manufactured by the GOP Cali_Democrat May 2012 #20
If President Obama receives a second term the republiCON agenda is still to trash him. xtraxritical May 2012 #36
hey johnny boy, where are the fucking jobs you promised? spanone May 2012 #21
Dear Speaker Bonehead: Brigid May 2012 #24
It got Clinton reelected and it got us a Dem controlled Legislature last time. YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #25
he is such a whiny fucking little brat Skittles May 2012 #26
Well, that strategy has certainly been successful in the past Major Nikon May 2012 #28
Because a Republican wants HillWilliam May 2012 #41
Prepare the big coins Lefty Thinker May 2012 #32
Their stated agenda is to make Obama a one term President. lpbk2713 May 2012 #37
definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results Johonny May 2012 #39
Was there ever any doubt that this wouldn't happen? blkmusclmachine May 2012 #43

no_hypocrisy

(46,088 posts)
1. And refuse to take responsibility for tanking the economy by claiming
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:33 AM
May 2012

"The President forced our hand . . . . . "

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
2. All Help In Expelling Republicans from Congress Is Appreciated, Sir
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:36 AM
May 2012

Mr. Boehner seems set on being a valuable ally to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee....

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
4. And Damned Few People Liked It, Sir, and All Of them Knew It was Boehner And His Crew To Blame
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:49 AM
May 2012

There is a reason Congressional approval is at historic lows.

 

NS2012

(74 posts)
29. People around me blamed Obama.
Wed May 16, 2012, 07:31 AM
May 2012

If you don't follow politics you don't blame Congress, you blame the President.

Obama has been blamed for the S&P downgrade and people have agreed.

Ignorance is an ally to Republicans when a Democratic President is in office.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
7. Foolish?
Tue May 15, 2012, 12:03 PM
May 2012

Foolish like a fox, says I! And President Obama can pop up and tell the nation that they worked out a deal in good faith last year that allows him to raise the debt ceiling through to 2013 (Congress was supposed to just be able to register "disapproval" if I remember correctly) and mandated specific spending cuts if the fiscal "Supercommittee" couldn't get the job done (which it didn't). Republicans, of course, are trying to squeeze out of that deal with the Ryan Budget v.2.0. Hopefully, voters can see who's clearly behind this fiscal insanity and vote accordingly.

 

supraTruth

(496 posts)
12. Kind of like waiting for the public to wake up to how the nixon&RAYgun ESCALATED Drug War has
Tue May 15, 2012, 01:09 PM
May 2012

BANKRUPTED our states & Federal Government.

SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
6. Boehner's Plan
Tue May 15, 2012, 12:00 PM
May 2012

Demand cuts to all, program cuts to the poor and tax cut for the rich.

If Obama stands firm and the economy is hurt he feel this will hurt Obama.

If Obama gives in he makes the 99% mad and this will hurt Obama.

This goes hand and hand with the #1 Republican goal for America. Make Obama a one term president.

The Republicans are so afraid of loosing this fall they would do ANYTHING to prevent Obama from being reelected.

All I can say is hold on tight the next 6 months is going to be a bumpy ride.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
19. If the president rebuffs him
Tue May 15, 2012, 05:31 PM
May 2012

He will not be hurt by it. Even if the economy tanks because of it. Remember last time Republicans tried this... they lost.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
31. Actually we lost.
Wed May 16, 2012, 08:55 AM
May 2012

The politicians on both sides got to make a bunch of noise, but the only people that lost were the voters.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
38. It led to a shift towards Democratic candidates and away from Republican ones.
Wed May 16, 2012, 03:48 PM
May 2012

That is a victory in an election year.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
10. Do it
Tue May 15, 2012, 12:49 PM
May 2012

The American people have seen through this sham before.

Every move the Rethugs make just ensures that they will be a minority party for generations to come.

 

Woody Woodpecker

(562 posts)
11. Fuck the Republicans.
Tue May 15, 2012, 01:04 PM
May 2012

It's time to let them face the consequences of ignoring the will of the people, not the corporations or Koch Brothers.

The will of the people are loudly saying - END THE MIC INFLUENCE.

That means cutting off the heads of the GOP.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
15. Are we going to have to do this again?
Tue May 15, 2012, 04:37 PM
May 2012

Politicians have to do something (raise the debt limit again) but need to look like they're doing something about the problem rather than just kicking it down the road. They come up with an agreement that NO ONE likes, but doesn't get implemented for some time. Just before the time runs out, people start bitching about the deal they made, it gets thrown out and the process is repeated. This is just a giant game of smoke and mirrors for the public and the negotiations are nothing more than a place to score political points since no agreement that comes out of it will ever be honored.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
33. I think the general public will ask that same question.
Wed May 16, 2012, 09:21 AM
May 2012

I keep hearing and reading about how this could hurt the President if Boehner gets his way. But, nobody is saying is that it's Boehner picking a fight that nobody else wants. Everyone remembers the last time we had this fight, and nobody liked it. Congress wound up with an approval rating around 10% because of it, and it was the GOP that dragged that number down the most. Now the republicans want to drag us through that again? They are either stupid or suicidal if they think they're going to win here. I am beginning to think that this is Boehner's Last Stand.

kentuck

(111,085 posts)
16. The President should call out John Boehner by name...
Tue May 15, 2012, 04:40 PM
May 2012

Tell the people to call him, write him, or email him and let him know you are tired of his crap.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
35. President Obama should exercise his executive power under the 14th amendment before November sixth.
Wed May 16, 2012, 01:00 PM
May 2012

He should do an "end around" these jerks, save the nation, and be a hero, IMHO.

HillWilliam

(3,310 posts)
17. Because taking the government down worked out so well
Tue May 15, 2012, 04:41 PM
May 2012

for Newt.

I love it when selfservatives lock, load, and blast their own toes off.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
36. If President Obama receives a second term the republiCON agenda is still to trash him.
Wed May 16, 2012, 01:10 PM
May 2012

They will destroy the American credit rating and the economy so that they can blame the Democratic president in the hope that come 2016 this will resonate with the voters and they can win elections by a landslide mandate. IMHO the President should exercise his executive power under the 14th amendment and unilaterally raise the debt ceiling before the November elections. It will take quite a long time to get to the US SC and the President will look like a hero.

Vote a straight Democratic ballot we must reclaim Congress to save this nation.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
24. Dear Speaker Bonehead:
Tue May 15, 2012, 07:49 PM
May 2012

I triple-dog DARE you to try this crap again. Even YOU can't be this stupid. Then again, maybe you can.

YellowRubberDuckie

(19,736 posts)
25. It got Clinton reelected and it got us a Dem controlled Legislature last time.
Tue May 15, 2012, 09:29 PM
May 2012

Bring it, Agent Orange. Bring. It. On.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
28. Well, that strategy has certainly been successful in the past
Wed May 16, 2012, 06:02 AM
May 2012

A normal person who walks up to someone hitting themselves upside the head with a bat will try and get them to stop. Republicans ask them if they have another bat.

Lefty Thinker

(96 posts)
32. Prepare the big coins
Wed May 16, 2012, 09:06 AM
May 2012

President Obama should use the authority given him and the Department of the Treasury to mint a couple of trillion dollar platinum coins...or at least put that as the alternative to lowering the deficit without raising taxes. Who does Boener think he is, demanding cuts but not willing to accept any increase in revenue? The president must show that he has options to end this insanity.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
37. Their stated agenda is to make Obama a one term President.
Wed May 16, 2012, 01:20 PM
May 2012



That's all we need to bear in mind.

They want to make government appear as dysfunctional as they possibly can before November.
If and when they succeed in bogging down the system any more than they already have they
will do what they are best at ... point their fingers and say it wasn't their fault.




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