Suggestion, perhaps Dennis Kucinich run in senate or house primaries in Washington state?

[cascadiance]

He actually was looking at moving there and doing so earlier, when redistricting lead to his losing his seat in Ohio back in 2011.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/politics/24kucinich.html

Dennis, maybe the time is now, when there are so many pols in Washington that NEED to be primaried after they were part of the corruption process that the TPA did to these bodies...

Either run for the Senate against Patty Murray or in the House run for the seat of one of those 28 Democratic Party turncoats that voted for TPA as well:

Suzan DelBene
Derek Kilmer
Rick Larsen

If he wanted to move to Oregon, I'd gladly help him run against Suzanne Bonamici in my district too. We could use you back in congress now!

Washingtonians, wouldn't you like someone like this representing you more?

[Tarheel_Dem]

1. Why would he run against something that most Democrats support?

[cascadiance]

2. You are confusing trade with what TPP and TPA are really!

ISDS courts are about corporate power, not facilitating trade that helps most Americans, just the few at the top. Why do you like being a sucker for the rich? I challenge you to find a poll that shows Democrats wanting to just be suckers for the rich. They haven't ever before and they don't now!

If most Democrats "support" this crap, why didn't most of them support this bill in congress? Reason? Because they realize this POS is not going to be something that helps Americans and Democrats and they would rather get reelected than just be lackies for a Republican in the oval office that has been masquerading as a Democrat for too long.

[pnwmom]

3. Dennis? No, thanks. We Washingtonians don't need to be saved by any Ohioans. n/t

[cascadiance]

4. I though that he had some ties up there that had him wanting to move there earlier...

Certainly if you can find better people to represent you and not vote for TPP/TPA crap, then more power to you! I know I'll be looking locally here in Oregon to try to find the answer to that equation too.

[pnwmom]

6. I've never heard of any. And the reason for the votes here is that

Washington state has had a net gain in jobs as a result of trade agreements. So our representatives are torn between representing the interests of their districts vs. the country as a whole.

[JI7]

7. what kind of jobs were gained ?

[pnwmom]

8. Boeing-related and tech jobs is what I understand. Some port connected jobs, too.

According to this, about 40% of Washington's jobs are tied to international trade.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/patty-murray-labor-trade-senate-exporters-119262.html

[cascadiance]

13. I wonder how many of those new local jobs are using H-1B Visas too...

... which then aren't really new local jobs for Americans. I guess they need to finally pass the bill that Hatch and Schumer want to raise the H-1B visa quotas then though. Watch that coming soon so that they can say how many "local jobs" they've created by doing this.

[pnwmom]

15. Good question. There is a lot of pressure here for those Visas, but I don't know

how many jobs are involved.

Anyway, the article makes it clear why otherwise liberal members of Congress are torn on these issues. Washington state's economy is much more dependent on trade than Ohio's, for example.

[JI7]

5. why ? he would lose

And if people are really that upset to elect someone else there would be people in the state itself that would run.

[cascadiance]

10. I was only offering someone that had once looked to move here...

... and who has had experience in congress and a name that might help him get nominated. Certainly if you have local people to fit that bill to help get them nominated over the traitors, then do so. I also believe in fighting the fight locally too. Was just offering another possible choice to consider.

I'd actually be interested in hearing people talk about who they want to have run in primaries here. The more we can hear about who's running in different places, the more we can work together to help them get nominated. I'm hoping I can see someone tomorrow night at a meeting that might help us get a new congress person for our district here in Oregon where we had too many traitors.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. I'd happily vote for him in my district.

[aspirant]

11. Move Dennis Move

No more of the status quo nonsense

[cascadiance]

12. Yes, too bad he didn't move up there earlier...

If he had been living there already, then I think it would be a lot easier to get locals to accept him as a good primary challenger to represent them there, with both good experience, notoriety, and understanding of what is important to locals up there too.

Had he done that, now would even be a more perfect time to run in a primary there somewhere. And in a more Democratic state, he wouldn't have to worry about the redistricting Republicans screwing with his district boundaries like he did in Ohio.

[pnwmom]

16. This is really kind of condescending to the "locals." If we want to replace

one of our Senators or Representatives, we actually have lots of home-grown politicians who are familiar with the state. We don't have to import them. And last I checked, Washington was a good deal more progressive overall than Ohio.

[sabrina 1]

20. Too bad they weren't there today to vote for the people's best interests.

Was it condescending to NYers, which is a pretty big state with lots of good progressives also, when Hillary came to NY to run for the Senate?

[pnwmom]

21. Did you read the article? 40% of Washington state's economy depends on international trade.

So any of our representatives, even the most liberal, are conflicted on this issue. What might be best for our local economy and our workers -- i.e., the people who elect them to office -- might not be best for the U.S. overall.

With regard to Hillary, what would be condescending would be residents of OTHER states informing New Yorkers that they needed Hillary to represent them. As it is, New York Democrats seemed to welcome her with open arms.

The same thing didn't happen when Dennis took his grand tour around here. Yes, there are people who love him here - but not enough to get him elected. That's why he took a look and then went back to Ohio.

Or maybe he didn't like the rain.

[sabrina 1]

22. Well, that is what we were told. That she would be able to win whereas we didn't really have

anyone here who could beat the Republicans. That wasn't true of course, but at the time, I was fine with it. Now I would not be since I know a lot more about her policies than I did then.

Dennis otoh, would be welcome here as I do know his stand on the most important issues.

The fact that a state needs foreign trade has little to do with THIS Secret deal, which clearly the people of Washington have no clue about.

It's very difficult for intelligent people to be excited about something they now nothing about. Especially considering the leaks we HAVE seen do not bode well for the American working class, for our environmental issues or for net neutrality and as Democrats who have proven themselves to be trustworthy and voted AGAINST this mysterious agreement, have told that 'if the people knew what is in it, they would oppose it'.

We were told, eg, that there would be no job losses, yet they contradicted themselves when they added a bill to HELP THOSE WHO WOULD BE DISPLACED.

I don't know about you, but when I feel people are HIDING things from me, I know there is a reason for that. And when they tell me one thing, then prove it wasn't true THEMSELVES, frankly I don't trust a word they tell me after that.

So how is this secret deal going to help the people of Washington?

[pnwmom]

24. You should read the article. Our representatives have been getting plenty of feedback

from constituents on both sides of the divide. I sent emails and left phone messages, too, asking them to vote no on fast track.

I think this was one of the hardest votes any of our Reps has ever had to make -- and I wish it had gone the other way. But I understand the kind of pressure all of them are under because, despite what you say, this Pacific trade deal could have a positive impact on our LOCAL economy.

[sabrina 1]

25. So constituents KNOW what is in this secret deal? How could that be? And isn't the job of

representatives to KNOW themselves what they are supporting? Since Congress was prevented from participating in the writing of this legislation, which in itself is a HUGE issue, what are they telling their Constituents? Are they making stuff up, just repeating what can only be called 'corporate propaganda'?

I don't understand what point you are trying to make. If people have no idea what they are supporting, then they need someone to look out for them, to inform them. Not to sugar coat a Corporate written secret deal to try to get support for Corporations, of course they CAN do that, but it would be wrong.

So what you really are saying is that an UNINFORMED constituency is supporting something they know nothing about. How bad is that and how angry they are going to be when they find out what they supported.

[pnwmom]

26. You do realize that our representatives were barred by law from sharing specifics about

what is written in the trade deal? So they couldn't inform their constituents.

Bernie Sanders had access to the whole document. Why didn't HE share the details with his constituents?

Same reason.

But the little state of Vermont isn't very dependent on international trade, so voting against it was an easy decision for Bernie. Lucky for him.

[sabrina 1]

28. You just made my point, do you realize that? You stated that constituents were calling their Reps

to support this secret deal. I asked you how they could support something they knew nothing about, because I know that UNBELIEVABLY our Reps were under a GAG ORDER, are you seriously NOT seeing the problem here, to NOT talk to the American people about what was being done without their KNOWLEDGE.

I asked how on earth constituents could possible be supporting something they KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

You just confirmed that what you assumed was favorable to this terrible assault on our RIGHTS as citizens of this country, was no such thing.

Because INCREDIBLY our Reps were NOT ALLOWED TO REPRESENT US.

Do you seriously NOT have a problem with this?

WE DID HAVE A PROBLEM with it when Bush tried it back in 2007. Do you remember what happened to HIS attempt to Fast Track HIS Trade Bill?

There seems to have been an attack of amnesia here regarding the last time this was tried, and the OUTRAGE over Bush DARING to try to Fast Track a Bill without the people's Reps being able to change it, add amendments etc.

Am I the only one who not only remembers what was at the time a HUGE issue on Dem forums, but remembers the ARGUMENTS put forth by Dems who succeeded in stopping him??

How sad, and I was naive enough to think at that time that we opposed Bush's attempt to do this because it was simply WRONG. Now I see that our party was not taking a principled stand against what was certainly wrong, but for some, it was simply partisan political situational ethics. What a learning process this has been. I was so naive to believe that we really were the good guys.

[pnwmom]

31. Some of their constituents are Republicans, believe it or not.And some are Democrats or Independents

who have been influenced by their employers or by the local media to support the trade agreement -- even without knowing the details. Or maybe they just trust the judgment of their various representatives or Senators -- who are very popular, by the way.

Unlike you, I am not shocked that there are other people in my state who support things that I don't support. And some of them are even Dems. That does NOT mean I, personally, am happy that the trade agreement might end up passing. It just means that I understand that my state's representatives had a very difficult decision to make.

Because I, and people who think like I do, are not the ONLY people they represent.

[Nye Bevan]

14. Really..... you'd vote for a Fox News guy? (nt)

[sabrina 1]

19. One of the best Democrats we had, he stood up to the Bush regime and of course was hated by the far

Right and the Corps because he spoke the truth. I will be very happy to support him and I know dozens of other Dems who be thrilled to get him back in Congress. Right wingers were responsible for getting him out.

Btw, what do you think of the DUer here who is also a 'Fox guy'?

Dennis does a great job of educating the morons on Faux, if they had more like him, their audience might not be so ignorant.

[aspirant]

32. Are there any HRC DU posters that are Fox News Guys

[PowerToThePeople]

17. I would be happy if he primaried some of our DINOs. n/t

[sabrina 1]

18. Yes, that would be a great choice. Note how the Corps hated him, which makes him all the more

desirable. We need way more people like Kucinich to fight for the people, as he always did.

I would be very willing to help however possible to get him back into office, preferably in the Senate.

[aspirant]

33. IMO

Dennis should survey the landscape and pick wisely

2016 is going to be a Populist revolution with coattails in every state.

[brooklynite]

23. Dennis Kucinich couldn't get nominated when his district became marginally less liberal...

...and assuming he got re-elected, what influence would he actually have?

[cascadiance]

29. I think you are confused. His district was merged with Marcy Kapturs, another liberal Democrat

Only one of them could win that district and she did since the district that was merged with what was once Dennis's was mostly hers.

I think he would relish a lot more a primary where his opponent is a lot less liberal and more sold out to corporate America than he is. He would give those people in that district a choice to have someone that works for them instead of Korporate Amerika.

One less corporate Democrat in the House is a win everywhere it happens in my book. Wish other Democrats could see that more and understand that we live in a democracy not a corporatocracy (or at least that's what our founders wanted anyway when they were part of acts like the Boston Tea Party then that was them fighting corporate dominance then too).

[aspirant]

34. One vote

In the House 218 yeas, in the Senate 60-37 you can't get any closer than that

[KT2000]

27. Washington's economy is now based

on trade with Asia. Anything that boosts that trade is gold to most politicians. Kilmer will be there for most other issues but any politician who goes against trade is going to be voted out of office.

[cascadiance]

30. TPA isn't about trade, but providing mechanisms bypassing what should be the normal process...

... of instituting *trade* deals. And by bypassing what is supposed to be done for approving treaties and throwing in things like the ISDS court which has LITTLE to do with trade, and EVERYTHING to do with putting corporate power over our own government power, TPA was a bill that shouldn't have passed, whether you think that your state is dependent on good trade deals (which I question as well) or not. The problem is that passing TPA makes it that much harder to stop BAD trade deals like the TPP is (or it wouldn't be secret!) that SCREW Americans, no matter how much an area is dependent on foreign trade.

They say we in Portland and Oregon are dependent on that too, which is why Wyden and three of our four democrats supported it along with the one Republican congressman in our state. But there is a lot of resistance from many of us who see through this corporate propaganda from the likes of Nike. Similarly, the state saw through the press's propaganda (like the Oregonian) and Oregonians of all parties basically threw out the "top two primary" that was what corporate America, billionaires and their servants like the Oregonian wanted and endorsed. We need more grass roots from voters like what happened with that ballot measure for votes like this to tell our government NO, when they are being hoodwinked into screwing us again. I'm guessing that the same propaganda was being spewed by politicians, etc. up in the Northwest before we had the protests in Seattle before NAFTA too, where the protestors were RIGHT to do what they were doing.

[KT2000]

35. I understand this is corporations

over-riding our sovereign powers. Why any politician would vote for it is a mystery to me. But I am pretty sure that Kilmer united with other state politicians to stand behind what they say is trade.
Personally I think the whole thing is a travesty.

Washington is building its economy on the promise of trade. In Kilmer's district the log yards are constantly full, just waiting to be shipped to China. All shorelines in Washington state have been deemed first use for shellfish aquaculture with most of it going to Asia. The rail lines are teeming with coal and oil cars - going to China. What is left of manufacturing in the state sees its future in sales to Asia. Our ex-governor served as Ambassador to China - what do you think he was working on over there? Much the same as he did as governor - increasing trade prospects.

The US is a dying economy and the emerging ones are in Asia. Apparently politicians see the trade possibilities and nothing else.

[DiverDave]

36. We'll take him in Oregon

He can take on blumenauer or wyden, the god damned traitors.

[PeaceNikki]

37. He's a board member of his buddy Ron Paul's libraterian think tank.

[freshwest]

39. Really? Sigh. That explains the appearnce on Infowars and the Faux gig.

Odd, his focus had always been on publicly owned utilities, the Commons, etc.

The Libertarians want that gone and work intrastate to place all of the property and functions of government in private hands in a state of economic apartheid.

Or were you kidding when you posted that?

[PeaceNikki]

40. Not kidding. Not even a little.

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/about-us/

[freshwest]

41. OMFG... Thanks, PeaceNikki. n/t

[ismnotwasm]

42. Wow

That's terrible

[Freddie Stubbs]

38. And leave his cushy job at FoxNews?

[tritsofme]

43. Why doesn't he just run for president? I hear the third time is the charm!

Doesn't he have a gig with Fox News? Maybe he is happy there?