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d_r

(6,907 posts)
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:02 PM Jun 2015

My Southern Heritage

I tapped this out on my phone earlier in reply to the thread here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026890054

I was asked to repost as a thread, and since I am never asked that I had to jump on it. I will try to edit and fix it some from my poor phone-taps.
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The whole "My great grandpappy never owned slaves and fought to protect his home from invaders" thing drives me nuts.

First of all, the Confederates started it.

Second of all, that great grandpappy was duped by aristocrats to fight their war for them. To keep them getting richer. Off the backs of slaves. Great grandpappy was used. Not to mention the conscription. That flag represents great grandpappy being sent to hell to fight for rich people. And a lot of men being killed for it. Because he was too stupid to know better. If the folks who say this had any sense they would hate that flag more than anyone. I could understand some one born rich, because they inherited the wealth built by slave labor, of feeling fond of that flag. However, the whole "my people never owned slaves" thing is pure stupidity. It is just an attempt to bolster a claim that the flag doesn't represent racism. And it is a very weak excuse.

This is the thing i want to say to those people: I had ancestors in the 1st Tennessee Infantry, that was a Union regiment, and the 2nd and 8th Kentucky Cavalry, also Union regiments. They kicked your backwards great grandpappy's ass then went to the plantation house and brought back the silver flatware that we still bring out at Thanksgiving. Your great grandpappy didn't have to fight for the confederacy, well unless he was conscripted. And he probably was. He probably wanted to run and hide in the mountains. He probably cried himself to sleep at night. He probably saw things that none of us should ever see and did things none of us should ever do. Because he was foolish enough to believe the propaganda of rich plantation owners.

So what makes your "southern heritage" more valid than mine? How dare you disparage my ancestors who fought to defend their home and nation by seeking out loyal Union regiments, and my family and ancestors that fought in two world wars, Vietnam and Korea and the civil rights movement by flying a flag of treason? You don't get to own the definition of southern.

I made this picture five years ago and I'll dust it off today:

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My Southern Heritage (Original Post) d_r Jun 2015 OP
A'F*ing Amen. TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #1
Absolutely get the red out Jun 2015 #3
off to greatest with you. niyad Jun 2015 #2
K&R octoberlib Jun 2015 #4
Stealing this quote! ncjustice80 Jun 2015 #5
You may think you're joking with that pogglethrope Jun 2015 #8
Do you have the stats for that? Sissyk Jun 2015 #31
No statistics, pogglethrope Jun 2015 #40
I shouldn't laugh about the flatware... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2015 #6
Yes! I know! d_r Jun 2015 #10
I really don't know. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2015 #21
As someone who is descended from plantation owners, I agree. Coventina Jun 2015 #7
Thank you d_r Jun 2015 #9
Oh, and you know what? d_r Jun 2015 #13
Haha! As Monty Python says: Always Look on the Bright Side! Coventina Jun 2015 #16
possible quote of the night DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #14
K&R Sedona Jun 2015 #11
Terrifically well said. zentrum Jun 2015 #12
please DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #15
Oh god, you stole the family silver. My late MIL always talked about these japple Jun 2015 #17
can you describe it? d_r Jun 2015 #20
Well, I never saw it because the Yankees stole it before I was japple Jun 2015 #26
Oh this isn't it then d_r Jun 2015 #42
Somebody Needs to Design a New Heritage Flag - I Suggest Stolen Silverware TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #32
Great design. My late MIL would vote for this one, although she would japple Jun 2015 #35
So Would My Late Ex-GMIL. TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #37
BRAVO! Raster Jun 2015 #18
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2015 #19
What a great post. Also.. hedda_foil Jun 2015 #22
No I'm sorry d_r Jun 2015 #25
Thanks, d_r. I'll try those. Again, your post is wonderful. hedda_foil Jun 2015 #27
Font: Ravie? scarletwoman Jun 2015 #29
"McCrory wants to pull Confederate battle flag off NC specialty plates" WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2015 #23
Awesome post passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #24
Fucking Brilliant. Old and In the Way Jun 2015 #28
I will be in Fredricksburg in October TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #38
Now ther question is, when is Virginia and other SOuthern States going to fire up the wrecking balls ncjustice80 Jun 2015 #41
Really? Both sides lost countless people. Old and In the Way Jun 2015 #43
If they want to build statues of loyal Union soldiers trampling COnfederate soldiers thats fine. ncjustice80 Jun 2015 #44
Righteous! calimary Jun 2015 #30
Damn Skippy! nt MrScorpio Jun 2015 #33
I love what you said here. Truth. n/t susanna Jun 2015 #34
Most people with the imagined glory of one officer or another in their lineage Warpy Jun 2015 #36
Awesome, Awesome, AWESOME Post! Moonwalk Jun 2015 #39
Well said, d_r Wounded Bear Jun 2015 #45
Kick, kick, kick! Heidi Jun 2015 #46
K & R Surya Gayatri Jun 2015 #47

TheOther95Percent

(1,035 posts)
1. A'F*ing Amen.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:09 PM
Jun 2015

About 300,000 men from the border states and the South fight for the Union. I've heard several times in lectures that about 20,000 men from Mississippi fought for the Union side. That damn state flag does not honor their service either.

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
3. Absolutely
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:25 PM
Jun 2015

My family tree had those who fought on both sides. Can't help that half my ancestors were idiots; but I sure don't claim that as "heritage".

ncjustice80

(948 posts)
5. Stealing this quote!
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:36 PM
Jun 2015

"hey kicked your backwards great grandpappy's ass then went to the plantation house and brought back the silver flatware that we still bring out at Thanksgiving"

Rub it in their inbred faces

 

pogglethrope

(60 posts)
8. You may think you're joking with that
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:56 PM
Jun 2015
inbred bit, but it's a lot more common than you might think in the states that made up the Confederacy. It happens a lot more than you're likely to believe -- especially in rural families. Too much involvement with breeding farm animals, maybe? ... Decided not to elaborate for fear of getting banned.

 

pogglethrope

(60 posts)
40. No statistics,
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:17 AM
Jun 2015

just my personal observation from living in the South (and Appalachia) my entire life. What happened within families couldn't always be covered up. Of course, some might have been exaggeration.

I'm also aware of extensive wife-swapping (the term used) within one fundamentalist church. The pastor's wife was my wife's best friend. They told us during a visit about how difficult the problem with their congregation was for them to deal with. To say they were a prim and proper couple would be an understatement.

The guy I mentioned told me about standing on a stump to ... indulge in bestiality on his father's farm. I had no reason at all not to believe he was serious.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
6. I shouldn't laugh about the flatware...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:42 PM
Jun 2015

but I am.

I've been thinking about the whole "my heritage" argument a lot today. What? Your heritage is that your poor white ancestors were used as cannon fodder so that wealthy white landowners could own slaves? Fuck that. You think they'd hate that flag. I'm told over and over it represents "a way of life." What way of life is that, exactly?

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
21. I really don't know.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:45 PM
Jun 2015

But think I'll go watch "Cold Mountain" again to gain some insight. Plus, Jude Law is hot.

Esco Swanger: What exactly do you think you're going to be fighting for?

Acton Swanger: The South!

Esco Swanger: Last I checked, "the South" was a direction.



Coventina

(27,119 posts)
7. As someone who is descended from plantation owners, I agree.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:56 PM
Jun 2015

(My paternal grandmother's grandfather was the owner of a plantation with a number of slaves. He fought in the Confederate army)

Anyone who think that flying the Stars & Bars is showing pride is just showing stupidity at best and evil at worst.

Those ancestors from that quarter of my heritage lost everything in that war, and I'm not one bit resentful about it. If you have my family's silverware, use it in good health. Your ancestor earned it.


The South started it. The North finished it.

It's OVER, already.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
13. Oh, and you know what?
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:06 PM
Jun 2015

You got out of your Mom making you polish that stuff when you were a kid.

Coventina

(27,119 posts)
16. Haha! As Monty Python says: Always Look on the Bright Side!
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:14 PM
Jun 2015


But seriously, I am glad that the family lost everything.
I wouldn't WANT wealth I inherited from the practice of slavery.
Not even if it came in the form of family heirlooms.

I grew up in extreme poverty, homeless at times.

I won't say it's Karma, since I don't know if I believe that the universe punishes future generations for the sins of the fathers, BUT, my hard childhood taught me the importance of justice, and freedom, and community, and love.

The "Old South" did not treasure any of those values.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
14. possible quote of the night
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:06 PM
Jun 2015

"Those ancestors from that quarter of my heritage lost everything in that war, and I'm not one bit resentful about it. If you have my family's silverware, use it in good health. Your ancestor earned it. "

japple

(9,824 posts)
17. Oh god, you stole the family silver. My late MIL always talked about these
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:18 PM
Jun 2015

people who stole/were trying to steal the family silver. Do you still have it? Can I come to your house and pick it up and restore it to the place of honor in our family? I would be happy to pay for the shipping if you could send it back to us. My MIL died many years ago, but two of her sons are still alive and would happy to know the family silver has been returned to the fold.

japple

(9,824 posts)
26. Well, I never saw it because the Yankees stole it before I was
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:56 PM
Jun 2015

born. But I know it's ornate, fancy, and probably has a crest of some sort. I'm sure the family buried it somewhere on the plantation during the war. WIth god as my witness, I'll never eat with silverplate or stainless.

Edit to add lots of sarcasm smilies in case someone doesn't get it.














japple

(9,824 posts)
35. Great design. My late MIL would vote for this one, although she would
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:30 AM
Jun 2015

have preferred very ornate graphics.

TheOther95Percent

(1,035 posts)
37. So Would My Late Ex-GMIL.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:39 AM
Jun 2015

My family had two ancestors who fought for the Union as conscripts from Ireland.

One died at Gettysburg and the other went on to March with Sherman.

I don't think she ever recovered from my father thanking her for the flatware which his great-grandfather used to buy the family farm in Ireland.

hedda_foil

(16,373 posts)
22. What a great post. Also..
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:45 PM
Jun 2015

Do you remember what font you used for the graphic? I've been looking for that exact font and have had no luck.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
25. No I'm sorry
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:54 PM
Jun 2015

I don't think I even have the same computer anymore. Sawasdee and Purisa are similar but not the same. I'm sorry!

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
29. Font: Ravie?
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:03 AM
Jun 2015

This is just a guess. If I were on my work computer with all my font choices I'd be able to say for sure.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
23. "McCrory wants to pull Confederate battle flag off NC specialty plates"
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 11:49 PM
Jun 2015

Thought I'd share this here. Not a fan of ol' Pat, but every now and again he gets one right.

http://www.wral.com/mccrory-wants-to-pull-confederate-flag-off-nc-specialty-plates/14733612/

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
28. Fucking Brilliant.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:03 AM
Jun 2015

Probably the best post I have read here. I lost a great, great uncle on my mother'side at Fredericksburg....that is all I know. No one knew anything about him...but I will give him a pass. He fought to preserve a greater idea than he realized and he died for it.

TheOther95Percent

(1,035 posts)
38. I will be in Fredricksburg in October
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:58 AM
Jun 2015

Plan to walk the battlefield again with some friends who haven't spent time there.

I remember the first time I was there now more than 20 years ago. I was with my dad, a WW II combat veteran.

I remember standing by the Union front line staring up at the Marye's Heights held by General Longstreet's army and thinking that a frontal assault on that position was suicide.

Dad said it reminded him of landing at Iwo Jima. It was the first time he ever mentioned anything serious about his wartime service to me.

I will be thinking of your ancestor when I'm there.

ncjustice80

(948 posts)
41. Now ther question is, when is Virginia and other SOuthern States going to fire up the wrecking balls
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 06:59 AM
Jun 2015

and bulldozers, and get rid of all these nasty monuments?

Statues glorifying traitrous scum all over the South- the Federal govt. should withhold all funds going to the State (highway, law enforcement, etc.), with the exception of poverty assistance programs, until they take down/destroy any monument glorifying the confederacy and confederate officers!

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
43. Really? Both sides lost countless people.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:10 PM
Jun 2015

We should just forget this happened? No, we should remember and hope it serves as a reminder of how fruitless the act of sedition is.

ncjustice80

(948 posts)
44. If they want to build statues of loyal Union soldiers trampling COnfederate soldiers thats fine.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:17 PM
Jun 2015

But the monuments as they stand glorify the confederacy. You don't see Hitler statues in Germany, do you?

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
36. Most people with the imagined glory of one officer or another in their lineage
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:35 AM
Jun 2015

would probably be shocked to find their family's story similar to yours. There were few officers, all drawn from the ranks for the rich and educated. Everybody else came from small landholders, shopkeepers, and crafts people like saddlers, chandlers, builders, and blacksmiths. If they were well enough off to own slaves, it was only one or two and they didn't live a lot better than the slaves did. They were fed a constant diet of "states rights!" and none of those Yankees getting to push them around and they bought it. Then the war started and most of them bought it for good.

The story of the Civil War is the story of a huge con job by the rich on everybody else. Most people there are still buying it, too.

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