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malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 11:25 AM Jun 2015

I wonder how long this wave of anti-Confederate revulsion will last.

I'm basically a cynical bastard, so I expect it will all blow over sooner rather than later. But it's nice to see people doing something together for a change.

-- Mal

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I wonder how long this wave of anti-Confederate revulsion will last. (Original Post) malthaussen Jun 2015 OP
I've wondered about this, too. On the GOP side this is all about getting a Republican octoberlib Jun 2015 #1
Someone yesterday suggested they are hoping to keep the majority in both houses. jwirr Jun 2015 #4
Until something more repulsive comes along. In_The_Wind Jun 2015 #2
It will slow down to a crawl very soon because we have already started to call their bluff. They are jwirr Jun 2015 #3
Reminds one of the purging of the extreme right wingers packman Jun 2015 #5
Here is a graphical biological representation of DU Fumesucker Jun 2015 #6
Like everything else, the big talk will stop soon, but... TreasonousBastard Jun 2015 #7
When Mississippi dumps their confederate state flag I will believe it is real. yellowcanine Jun 2015 #8
+1 DashOneBravo Jun 2015 #27
I hope it ends to edhopper Jun 2015 #9
The Battle Flag is an issue where progress is possible maxsolomon Jun 2015 #10
+1 octoberlib Jun 2015 #13
Until everyone forgets there were nine people murdered. Iggo Jun 2015 #11
I wonder how long this wave of anti-Confederate revulsion will last Hayduke Bomgarte Jun 2015 #12
Funny that this blowback is easier than blowback against sensible gun law changes. Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #14
I think that is why the Republicans are jumping on the anti-flag wagon csziggy Jun 2015 #23
I think that is the heart of the matter. Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #25
Its an easily identifiable "other" and solutions to the problems are relatively easy. Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #15
As soon as the media finds a new tragedy or scandal to exploit and sensationalize. tymorial Jun 2015 #16
I hope the voices against racism continue... Spazito Jun 2015 #17
As I said, I am a cynical bastard. malthaussen Jun 2015 #18
I see even tiny steps toward change as progress... Spazito Jun 2015 #19
I think we have reached a tipping point... Phentex Jun 2015 #20
Taking the flag down at southern capitols is huge. Nitram Jun 2015 #21
So long as they don't erect them again in a week. malthaussen Jun 2015 #22
The Confederacy consisted of states that seceded from the Union. pogglethrope Jun 2015 #24
Long enough for someone to get rich NashuaDW Jun 2015 #26
They'll give you removal of a few flags as long as you don't go there on gun laws KeepItReal Jun 2015 #28
Maybe a while HassleCat Jun 2015 #29
Until the last of the Unreconstructed lackwits realizes SwankyXomb Jun 2015 #30
James Lee Burke wrote about that... malthaussen Jun 2015 #31

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
1. I've wondered about this, too. On the GOP side this is all about getting a Republican
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jun 2015

elected to the Presidency. Nothing else.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
3. It will slow down to a crawl very soon because we have already started to call their bluff. They are
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jun 2015

hoping that the grandstanding will last them until the election in 2016.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
5. Reminds one of the purging of the extreme right wingers
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jun 2015

most political parties do when in power. They fear the nut cases when they get into power. Hold them close to your bosom until they become a threat to you.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
7. Like everything else, the big talk will stop soon, but...
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jun 2015

I suspect this revulsion has been just under the surface for a while and the shooting was the catalyst for it to rise.

There are a lot of basically decent people down South who have always been embarrassed and uncomfortable with the rednecks parading their hate and ignorance. Looks like that group is growing and now is the time for its voice to be heard.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
8. When Mississippi dumps their confederate state flag I will believe it is real.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:07 PM
Jun 2015

Until then it is all just band aids.

edhopper

(33,570 posts)
9. I hope it ends to
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:10 PM
Jun 2015

"heritage not racism" and "not about slavery" bullshit.

Just like segregation is an extremist fringe issue. (at least overtly)

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
10. The Battle Flag is an issue where progress is possible
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jun 2015

Racism is entrenched.
Mass Firearm Killings are entrenched.

The GOP is caving on this one to protect the other two.

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
12. I wonder how long this wave of anti-Confederate revulsion will last
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:16 PM
Jun 2015

As long as it is politically expediant and not one millisecond longer.

Signed;

Another cynical bastard

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
23. I think that is why the Republicans are jumping on the anti-flag wagon
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:00 PM
Jun 2015

The Confederate flag does not have a wealthy lobby to advocate for it the way the gun lobby has bottomless pockets to influence Republican congress critter votes.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
25. I think that is the heart of the matter.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:09 PM
Jun 2015

I don't think that we could regulate our way out of our horrendously high gun death rate but we could do more as a culture to change the perception of the role of guns in a civilized country, but that would reduce gun and ammo sales.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
15. Its an easily identifiable "other" and solutions to the problems are relatively easy.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:32 PM
Jun 2015

Not saying they aren't necessary, the Confederate battle flag and all monuments belong, at best, in museums, not put in places that glorify that sad chapter in American history when traitors tried to preserve their "peculiar institution".

Spazito

(50,290 posts)
17. I hope the voices against racism continue...
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:40 PM
Jun 2015

and grow.

Do you see "this wave of anti-confederate revulsion" separate and apart from the growing voices against racism or a part of it?

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
18. As I said, I am a cynical bastard.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:43 PM
Jun 2015

So I see it as opportunism and bandwagonism, mostly. If I am proved wrong, I will be presently surprised.

OTOH, if a few souls are educated to conditions that have existed in the U.S. basically forever, some good may come of it. So long as the lessons stick, and prompt some eyes to open.

-- Mal

Spazito

(50,290 posts)
19. I see even tiny steps toward change as progress...
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:51 PM
Jun 2015

state governments removing the racist flags is a positive step, I'll take it knowing removing the flag doesn't address the real issue of racism but it is one tiny step, the voices against racism must continue to grow to go from tiny steps to real change. I intend to be one of those voices.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
21. Taking the flag down at southern capitols is huge.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jun 2015

An excellent first step in the right direction, which will reverberate for decades.

 

pogglethrope

(60 posts)
24. The Confederacy consisted of states that seceded from the Union.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:09 PM
Jun 2015

Maybe any state that seceded and still makes official use of the Battle Flag of the Confederacy should be expelled from the United States.

Symbols of the Confederacy remain on the license plates of nine states: Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia. That should be enough of an offense for them to be kicked out. Throw Arkansas and Texas in for good measure. The Arkansas flag bears a resemblance to the Confederate flag -- and everyone knows Texans want to go back to having their own country. Let 'em.

All right, maybe expulsion of the entire populace of those states wouldn't be in order. How about a 50% increase in the federal tax rate for anyone who's a descendant of a slaveholder? And a 50% tax on their net worth. All proceeds could be distributed to descendants of slaves. That could be a pretty good start, eh? Especially on the 1% -- I have some other ideas on that.

What I want to do each and every day for the rest of the year is kick the South and Southerners in the teeth. After all, white conservatives from the South are sub-human for all practical purposes. Especially old white men. The faster we're rid of all of them the better off we are. ...

Wait a minute, I'm an old white man myself. Better rethink that. Someone might assume I'm a conservative because of my age and color and want to withhold medical care from me. I'd die within a month without my prescription meds. Ah, well, I've been in the donut hole for a while now -- have no idea how I'm going to come up with money to pay for my prescriptions for the rest of the year.

Damned near killed myself last year when a doctor told me to quit taking any medications that she hadn't put on my list of meds when she discharged me from the hospital. That was after a bout with acute kidney failure. Took only a week without my high blood pressure medication for my blood pressure to skyrocket up to 213|86. I was lucky to get to the emergency room before it got any higher and I had a stroke and died.

Lesson learned: Don't be a fool and follow the instructions of a hospitalist when you're discharged from the hospital. See your own doctor as soon as possible and let her tell you what medications to take. How I unlearned what I had learned from my wife's literally dozens of hospitalizations is beyond me. I knew how many mistakes hospitalists make, yet I forgot when it came to my own medications. The record for discharge medication mistakes with my wife was six. Her cardiologist almost went through the roof when I called him and told him the hospitalist had taken her off a medication he prescribed. Another hospitalist tried to take her off drugs one of the best cancer institutes in the country had put her on.

In case you're unaware of it, doctors' egos can kill you.

NashuaDW

(90 posts)
26. Long enough for someone to get rich
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:12 PM
Jun 2015

If I was an enterprising sort ... I'd open a Stars & Bars store.
I'd sell everything possible with the Confederate flag on it.

Now that the major retailers have left that market ... it is greatly underserved.

I have no expectation that demand will go down, actually it'll probably increase.

What the reactionarys forget is that "As long as there is a demand -- there WILL a supply"

Applies to drugs, sex, gambling, alcohol, ... and everything else.

Nice victory getting Amazon & Walmart to drop the items, but the consumers will simply find a new sorce.

The fastest way to make something desirable is to ban it ...

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
28. They'll give you removal of a few flags as long as you don't go there on gun laws
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jun 2015

See how we're not talking any more about easy access by anyone to any kind of weaponry?

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
29. Maybe a while
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jun 2015

People in the south seem to be realizing they've been making themselves look stupid for the last 50 years.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
30. Until the last of the Unreconstructed lackwits realizes
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:47 PM
Jun 2015

that they've wasted the last 150 years waiting for the Zombie Confederacy to lurch its way out of the dustbin of history.

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