Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:31 AM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
Why does Team Hillary ALWAYS take the low road
When asked about concern at Team Clinton about Sanders' surge, McCaskill responds:
"No, I think the media is giving Bernie a pass right now. I very rarely read in any coverage of Bernie that he's a socialist." She is using the term "Socialist" in the same manner as the right wing.......as a slur. Reminds me of her campaign against President Obama.
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virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | OP |
BeyondGeography | Jun 2015 | #1 | |
rufus dog | Jun 2015 | #2 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #17 | |
fadedrose | Jun 2015 | #149 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #3 | |
truebrit71 | Jun 2015 | #66 | |
erronis | Jun 2015 | #78 | |
frylock | Jun 2015 | #82 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #91 | |
frylock | Jun 2015 | #92 | |
RoccoR5955 | Jun 2015 | #126 | |
MisterP | Jun 2015 | #119 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #121 | |
Sheepshank | Jun 2015 | #4 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #5 | |
Sheepshank | Jun 2015 | #7 | |
Robbins | Jun 2015 | #9 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #11 | |
Sheepshank | Jun 2015 | #18 | |
frylock | Jun 2015 | #83 | |
Sheepshank | Jun 2015 | #95 | |
frylock | Jun 2015 | #134 | |
7962 | Jun 2015 | #99 | |
Sheepshank | Jun 2015 | #103 | |
7962 | Jun 2015 | #106 | |
Sheepshank | Jun 2015 | #110 | |
7962 | Jun 2015 | #114 | |
hedda_foil | Jun 2015 | #118 | |
Sheepshank | Jun 2015 | #122 | |
hedda_foil | Jun 2015 | #124 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Jun 2015 | #136 | |
SCantiGOP | Jun 2015 | #64 | |
QC | Jun 2015 | #6 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Jun 2015 | #8 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #12 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Jun 2015 | #27 | |
jtuck004 | Jun 2015 | #70 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Jun 2015 | #80 | |
jtuck004 | Jun 2015 | #129 | |
Hekate | Jun 2015 | #10 | |
aspirant | Jun 2015 | #112 | |
Hekate | Jun 2015 | #127 | |
aspirant | Jun 2015 | #131 | |
backscatter712 | Jun 2015 | #13 | |
Marr | Jun 2015 | #24 | |
HooptieWagon | Jun 2015 | #26 | |
dsc | Jun 2015 | #14 | |
PeaceNikki | Jun 2015 | #15 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #19 | |
dsc | Jun 2015 | #25 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #28 | |
dsc | Jun 2015 | #34 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #38 | |
frylock | Jun 2015 | #86 | |
frylock | Jun 2015 | #135 | |
Aerows | Jun 2015 | #143 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Jun 2015 | #39 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #41 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Jun 2015 | #44 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #45 | |
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virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #57 | |
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virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #59 | |
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virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #63 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Jun 2015 | #85 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #90 | |
Cha | Jun 2015 | #137 | |
7962 | Jun 2015 | #104 | |
Ichingcarpenter | Jun 2015 | #61 | |
leftynyc | Jun 2015 | #20 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Jun 2015 | #31 | |
Rex | Jun 2015 | #33 | |
dsc | Jun 2015 | #35 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Jun 2015 | #42 | |
misterhighwasted | Jun 2015 | #48 | |
hrmjustin | Jun 2015 | #74 | |
mmonk | Jun 2015 | #16 | |
HappyMe | Jun 2015 | #21 | |
bunnies | Jun 2015 | #22 | |
tokenlib | Jun 2015 | #23 | |
misterhighwasted | Jun 2015 | #50 | |
Snotcicles | Jun 2015 | #56 | |
misterhighwasted | Jun 2015 | #93 | |
Snotcicles | Jun 2015 | #94 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #96 | |
Snotcicles | Jun 2015 | #115 | |
frylock | Jun 2015 | #88 | |
99Forever | Jun 2015 | #29 | |
randys1 | Jun 2015 | #30 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #43 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Jun 2015 | #51 | |
SidDithers | Jun 2015 | #54 | |
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nolabear | Jun 2015 | #32 | |
hughee99 | Jun 2015 | #36 | |
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Thinkingabout | Jun 2015 | #107 | |
virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #109 | |
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virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #141 | |
Fumesucker | Jun 2015 | #108 | |
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virtualobserver | Jun 2015 | #142 | |
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:41 AM
BeyondGeography (36,528 posts)
1. It's called politics
Fight back. Ask her what established forms of socialism she's against in this country, e.g. Here's a good list:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/29/1078852/-75-Ways-Socialism-Has-Improved-America# |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #1)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:47 AM
rufus dog (8,419 posts)
2. i think you are helping th OP make the point
Which was why take the low road. Why promote the repub point of view and ask Sanders to defend it? Why not take the high road and promote the positive?
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Response to rufus dog (Reply #2)
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #1)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:33 AM
fadedrose (10,044 posts)
149. 75 is right
Looked up the link, didn't thoroughly read it, but I was doubtful that there were so many socialistic programs in the US already.
Thanks for posting. |
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 10:59 AM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
3. it gets even worse from McCaskill
"Rand Paul's father, Ron Paul, got massive crowds. Pat Buchanan got massive crowds. It's not unusual for someone who has an extreme message to have a following."
Who needs Republicans when Democrats label Bernie's message is extreme. |
Response to virtualobserver (Reply #3)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:31 PM
truebrit71 (20,805 posts)
66. Yup. McCaskill can go pound sand with rhetoric like that...
Fucking DINO...
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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #66)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:53 PM
erronis (9,191 posts)
78. And this person will be high up in Hillary's administration
So if we don't like him now, we will be even more upset when/if she wins.
With this message, I'll be changing my tagline to "Liberal, Progressive, Socialist, and intelligent" or some such. We need to get these terms out from under the slime mass that the repug PR machine has generated. |
Response to virtualobserver (Reply #3)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:58 PM
frylock (34,825 posts)
82. yeah, equating Sanders' popularity to Ron Paul's ran it's course here on DU..
this would appear to confirm that it's a talking point that originated from the Clinton camp.
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Response to frylock (Reply #82)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:14 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
91. as his numbers inch ever upward
their panic will grow.
They have been through this before, and they didn't like it. They will soon be shouting the S-word from the rooftops. |
Response to virtualobserver (Reply #91)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:15 PM
frylock (34,825 posts)
92. Clinton's internal polling is spurring this, I'm sure.
Response to virtualobserver (Reply #91)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:39 PM
RoccoR5955 (12,471 posts)
126. Wait till the PUMAs come out of hiding. n/t
Response to virtualobserver (Reply #3)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:01 PM
MisterP (23,730 posts)
119. 2015: too many crowds = unrepresentative exremism
2016: too high turnout = erosion of democracy
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Response to MisterP (Reply #119)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:07 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
121. Bernie is probably organizing mobs to enforce his extreme views
when his mob is large enough, there is a danger that he might take over this county through democratic means
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:02 AM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
4. "always"...in caps none the less
haa haa haa
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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #4)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:06 AM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
5. I keep hoping she won't, but she ALWAYS does......
the minute that she senses DANGER.
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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #5)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:08 AM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
7. McCaskill was the one talking according to your post
...but Clinton "ALWAYS"? yeah, whatev.
btw. do you have a link? |
Response to Sheepshank (Reply #7)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:11 AM
Robbins (5,066 posts)
9. She's surrogate for her campaign
She was sent to bash Bernie.it's 2007/2008 all over again.
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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #7)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:14 AM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
11. she is a Clinton surrogate
and these are talking points
http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/mccaskill--bernie-is-too-liberal-to-win-471130691652 |
Response to virtualobserver (Reply #11)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:22 AM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
18. ahhhh...so every "surrogate" every single time
and ALWAYS said exactly what the candidate intends and an the tone and manner the candidate intended. Got it. ALWAYS.
I think I will wait to hear this directly from Clinton, thanks. |
Response to Sheepshank (Reply #18)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:00 PM
frylock (34,825 posts)
83. Clinton doesn't say much, so don't hold your breath.
Response to frylock (Reply #83)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:24 PM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
95. old, used up talking point. But it suits the narrative for some.
Response to Sheepshank (Reply #95)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:21 PM
frylock (34,825 posts)
134. It suits the reality..
I encourage Clinton to speak out more often. It's not going to happen though, because it's too much of a liability.
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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #18)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:36 PM
7962 (11,841 posts)
99. Unless the clinton campaign dismisses the comment, its accepted by them.
Thats how politics works. How many times have we seen a comment or act by someone on the right and then the party say "that doesnt represent us/me"? Same thing here.
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Response to 7962 (Reply #99)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:41 PM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
103. ohhh, no that's not how it works.
McCaskill is not on Clinton's payroll. Clinton is not running against McCaskill for any office. Why should Clinton infringe on her 1st A opinions. Is Bernie setting everyone straight when they talk about his racism? No...that's not how it works.
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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #103)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:44 PM
7962 (11,841 posts)
106. Bernie's racism? Good lord.
Response to 7962 (Reply #106)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:50 PM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
110. it was bullshit...right?
so why didn't he dignify the idiots with a response?
My thoughts are he doesn't want to feed the idiocy. So why is Hillary being required to respond to this idiocy too? I was being told that her silence is agreement. I simply tried to raise a similar situation when silence on a matter does NOT in any way shape or form imply agreement. |
Response to Sheepshank (Reply #110)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:55 PM
7962 (11,841 posts)
114. No, I meant that I'd missed that one. i thought you were kidding!! That happened?
I dont follow everything all the time, so i guess i missed that story!
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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #103)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:00 PM
hedda_foil (15,051 posts)
118. Did you intend for this post to be unintelligible?
Because it is. Maybe you're overtired and need a nap.
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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #118)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:10 PM
Sheepshank (12,504 posts)
122. perhpas its the reading comprehension that is the issue?
maybe glasses will help, or access to a good teacher?
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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #122)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:21 PM
hedda_foil (15,051 posts)
124. Nah, it's the writer's writing. nt
Response to Sheepshank (Reply #18)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:23 AM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
136. Plausible deniability
the 08 primaries all over again
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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #4)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:30 PM
SCantiGOP (11,010 posts)
64. OP reminds me of campaign against Obama
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:07 AM
QC (26,371 posts)
6. That's what conservatives do. n/t
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:10 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (95,935 posts)
8. 77% of sitting Democratic senators have endorsed HRC. Is she responsible for everything they say?
She's not their mom!
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #8)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:16 AM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
12. no, she's a Clinton surrogate, doin' the talk show rounds
and saying that Bernie is "too liberal"
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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #12)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:28 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (95,935 posts)
27. I separate myself from her comments but I don't separate that she is responsible...
I separate myself from her comments but I don't separate myself from the observation that HRC is not responsible for everything her supporters say.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #8)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:41 PM
jtuck004 (15,882 posts)
70. Exactly. Just like 100% of Lemmings endorse the cliff they jump off of, it's not
someone else's responsibility when they leap to their death.
That is their personal responsibility. |
Response to jtuck004 (Reply #70)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:56 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (95,935 posts)
80. I wish I was vain enough to dismiss everybody who disagrees with me as a nincompoop.
My parents should have done a better job at raising my self esteem and self confidence.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #80)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:58 PM
jtuck004 (15,882 posts)
129. Well, those are your words and thoughts, and I presume you have a reason. Not my meaning
but if it comforts you, so be it.
I suspect your vainometer is broken, however. |
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:12 AM
Hekate (66,172 posts)
10. They don't.In this case, the media IS giving Bernie a pass.The moment he's the frontrunner the media
...will do to nice old avuncular Bernie exactly what they have been doing to Hillary all along.
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Response to Hekate (Reply #10)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:53 PM
aspirant (3,533 posts)
112. So you think Bernie is
a nice OLD uncle?
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Response to aspirant (Reply #112)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:46 PM
Hekate (66,172 posts)
127. figure of speech, as I'm sure you know. What I know about you is that you will bop around...
....any thread tossing off insulting one-liners as though you think they are sophisticated bon mots. Keep trying.
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Response to Hekate (Reply #127)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 03:04 PM
aspirant (3,533 posts)
131. "I'm sure you know"
How do you know what I think?
Can you predict the future too? Is calling someone an "old uncle" a "insulting" "figure of speech"? Do you "bop around" too or stay on the same thread for a week? |
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:17 AM
backscatter712 (26,300 posts)
13. Shit like this is why Team Hillary lost in 2008.
She played dirty against Obama, playing the Muslim card, and had the Jeremiah Wright "God damn America!" tape loop playing on cable news 24/7, and came out of that race wondering why so many Democrats turned against her and distrusted her.
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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #13)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:26 AM
Marr (20,317 posts)
24. +1, yep. It's very weird. I usually want to see both sides as
more or less equal when it comes to things like this, but there is already a distinctive flavor to the comments of Hillary's surrogates and supporters-- and it's identical to 2008's.
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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #13)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:28 AM
HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)
26. Exactly.
And she'll do it again. It's all she knows...unable to learn from mistakes.
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:19 AM
dsc (49,265 posts)
14. So is Bernie responsible for everything Cornell West has said or will say?
or does that only work if the candidate doesn't have a penis.
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Response to dsc (Reply #14)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:24 AM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
19. he is not a surrogate for Bernie's campaign n/t
Response to virtualobserver (Reply #19)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:26 AM
dsc (49,265 posts)
25. why is she one if he isn't
She isn't employed by the campaign she has merely endorsed her, just like West did him.
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Response to dsc (Reply #25)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:29 AM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
28. get back with me when Cornell West does the news show circuit spouting Team Bernie talking points.
...then we'll talk.
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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #28)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:33 AM
dsc (49,265 posts)
34. my point is how do you know they are team Clinton talking points?
You're saying she supports Clinton, she says x, x are Clinton talking points. Why can't we say West supports Sanders, West says y, y are Sanders talking points? Either candidates are to blame for what people who endorse them say or they are not to blame for what people who endorse them say. I think the candidate is responsible for what the candidate says. You seem to think if the candidate has a penis then they are not responsible for what their endorsers say but if the candidate lacks a penis then she is.
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Response to dsc (Reply #34)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:38 AM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
38. Because this ain't my first time at the Rodeo
When a sitting Democratic Senator goes on major news talk programs as a supporter of a candidate, they do not go off-message.
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Response to dsc (Reply #34)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:03 PM
frylock (34,825 posts)
86. I'm sure it's merely a coincidence that the exact talking point wormed it's way through DU this week
Response to dsc (Reply #34)
frylock This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to dsc (Reply #34)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:37 AM
Aerows (39,961 posts)
143. And here come the accusations
of sexism.
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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #28)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:38 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (95,935 posts)
39. I am sure FOX will have Corny West on to crap on the president...
Google Cornel West/Sean Hannity
What FOX host said "we love Bernie" ? Sean Hannity Megyn Kelley Bill O'Reilly Greta Van Susteren |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #39)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:42 AM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
41. so not only is he "too liberal"....
as Claire McCaskill stated....
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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #41)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:47 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (95,935 posts)
44. You are confused
Corny crapped on the pres and has been a guest on Hannity. Billo said "we love Bernie."
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #44)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:52 AM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
45. What part of what I said was untrue? n/t
Response to virtualobserver (Reply #45)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:54 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (95,935 posts)
47. I didn't say you were being untruthful. I said you were confused. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Corny called the pres the n word and an emasculated man and has been a guest on Hannity. Billo said "we love Bernie".
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #47)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:06 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
57. speaking the truth is not usually described as an attribute of "confusion"
Cornell West can defend himself.
He started out as a big supporter of Obama, and he had high expectations. When I have lived his life, I will judge his words. His feelings are his own, but one thing that I do know, he was not cynically trying to win votes with his words |
Response to virtualobserver (Reply #57)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:11 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (95,935 posts)
58. I didn't live Dylann Roof's life but I can dismiss him as a cretinous homocidal racist...
See how that works.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #58)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:15 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
59. Really? making a comparison between understanding Cornell West and understanding Dylan Roof?
Jeez!
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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #59)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:19 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (95,935 posts)
60. The suggestion that we can dismiss everything a person says
The suggestion that we can dismiss everything a person says or does because we don't have the same experiences while appropriate in some instances is not a universal rule... Lots of African Americans have had the same experience as Cornel West and don't consider President Obama emasculated or n-------ed.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #60)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:25 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
63. I am not African-American
So I do not judge him or his words. That is just me. I am not qualified to do so.
I will leave that criticism to the "lots of African Americans" of whom you speak. I do not question their judgment either. It would be presumptuous of me. |
Response to virtualobserver (Reply #63)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:00 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (95,935 posts)
85. Isn't that a rather parochial view, that we can only judge people of our own group?
eom
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #85)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:08 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
90. not in this case....
but if you feel qualified to do so, be my guest.....just don't ask me to do it.
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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #57)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:07 AM
Cha (268,136 posts)
137. Who gives a shite if President Obama didn't meet Cornel's expectations.
"Cornel West: Obama Is First 'Niggerized' Black President"
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/06/cornel-west-obama-first-niggerized-black “Calling Obama a ‘global George Zimmerman’?No. No.”: Michael Eric Dyson sounds off on Cornel West, Obama & his critics The Georgetown University scholar and author reflects on his very public break with his mentor turned tormentor snip// When African-American friends defended the president, he went in on them. West called MSNBC’s Perry “a liar and a fraud,” claimed Sharpton was the “bona fide house negro of the Obama plantation,” and attacked “the Michael Dysons and others who’ve really prostituted themselves intellectually in a very, very ugly and vicious way.” It’s true that as Dyson’s TNR piece bemoans the nasty ad hominem nature of West’s attacks on Obama, as well as on him and his colleagues, he gave almost as good as he got, first praising West as “the most exciting black scholar ever,” then charting his intellectual decline. “His greatest opponent isn’t Obama, Sharpton, Harris-Perry, or me,” the Georgetown scholar’s article concludes. “It is the ghost of a self that spits at him from his own mirror.” http://www.salon.com/2015/04/22/calling_obama_a_global_george_zimmerman_no_no_michael_eric_dyson_sounds_off_on_cornel_west_obama_his_critics/ |
Response to virtualobserver (Reply #41)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:42 PM
7962 (11,841 posts)
104. O'Reilly said that because bernie didnt spin his answers.
I watched most of the interview. Sanders didnt do the typical pol-speak nonsense, he answered the questions and gave his opinion. O'Reilly said he was a straight shooter, which he is. Sanders even seemed to enjoy the interview. Sanders hasnt pandered to anyone as far as I've seen.
It's quite an accomplishment to be both too liberal AND a Fox News fav!! If Bernie can do that, maybe HE'S the guy to achieve peace in the ME!! |
Response to dsc (Reply #25)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:20 PM
Ichingcarpenter (36,988 posts)
61. she has merely endorsed her, just like West did him.
show me '''just like west did'' like this
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Response to dsc (Reply #14)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:30 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (95,935 posts)
31. At least McCAskill didn't call Bernie an emasculated man and the n word the way Corny called Obama
eom
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Response to dsc (Reply #14)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:31 AM
Rex (65,616 posts)
33. Cornell West officially working for the Bernie Sanders campaign?
Yeah...didn't think so...not even a nice try...
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Response to Rex (Reply #33)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:34 AM
dsc (49,265 posts)
35. is McCaskell employed by Clinton
last I checked she was employed by the US Government.
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Response to Rex (Reply #33)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:43 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (95,935 posts)
42. Claire McCaskill officially working for the Hillary Clinton campaign?
Yeah...didn't think so...not even a nice try... |
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:22 AM
mmonk (52,589 posts)
16. Doesn't matter. Bernie has the high road.
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:25 AM
HappyMe (20,277 posts)
21. Your concern is noted, McCaskill.
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:25 AM
bunnies (15,859 posts)
22. Doesnt she have some more corporations to help sell us out to?
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:26 AM
tokenlib (4,186 posts)
23. Who's next on the list of Hillary's surrogates to increase contributions for Bernie????
First Luis Gutierrez pissed off enough people to get out the checkbooks for Bernie, and now Claire McCaskill....
Foolish surrogates who insult and belittle Bernie and his supporters need to learn they will not help Hillary in the long run. |
Response to tokenlib (Reply #23)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:57 AM
misterhighwasted (9,148 posts)
50. Hillary isn't worried about Bernie.
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Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #50)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:06 PM
Snotcicles (9,089 posts)
56. Thats why she wants to get right at those extra debates. Bernie requested. nt
Response to Snotcicles (Reply #56)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:16 PM
misterhighwasted (9,148 posts)
93. Yup. Amxious to hear his Brady Bill defense
Bernie Sanders is a cozy soft pillow next to the past 25 years of dealing with thr RW nasty Kkkarl Rove MSM lies & hate.
She's handled them & is still on top in the game. She can debate Bernie. He's an easy one compared to the RW I doubt anyone on Team Hillary is too concerned. |
Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #93)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:24 PM
Snotcicles (9,089 posts)
94. When was that Brady Bill going through congress 1992-1993? nt
Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #93)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:32 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
96. he didn't like the 5 day waiting period
he felt that the one size fits all nature of the bill didn't work for rural areas
howard dean- very similar views he was in favor of instant background checks |
Response to virtualobserver (Reply #96)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:56 PM
Snotcicles (9,089 posts)
115. Hillary will never go there on guns if she is smart. nt
Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #50)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:05 PM
frylock (34,825 posts)
88. Nah, it's just her surrogates that are worried.
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:29 AM
99Forever (14,524 posts)
29. Because they are Team Hillary.
It's how they roll.
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:29 AM
randys1 (16,286 posts)
30. Why does HIllary seem to take more shit at Democratic Underground than most rightwing
sites?
Asks this Bernie supporter. |
Response to randys1 (Reply #30)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:47 AM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
43. I can't speak for everyone else
.....but I want to trust Hillary.
When she uses tactics that diminish progressive ideas it disturbs me. |
Response to virtualobserver (Reply #43)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:58 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (95,935 posts)
51. I can't speak for everyone else
.....but I like Bernie... I hope he disassociates himself from someone who says Obama is an emasculated man and n-------ed. |
Response to randys1 (Reply #30)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:00 PM
SidDithers (44,052 posts)
54. +1...nt
Sid
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Response to randys1 (Reply #30)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:47 PM
ieoeja (9,748 posts)
73. Because she is a major factor in the erosion of women's rights.
Working class Whites are largely racist, misogynistic and homophobic. Democrats used to win that demographic anyway because, while we strongly supported social justice, we also supported economic justice. As long as we supported economic justice, they were willing to accept the social justice. The result was steady progress on social issues. When a DLC founder got elected President, Democrats were persuaded to go along with giving up economic justice. To counter that, the DLC started backing Democrats willing to compromise on social justice to appeal to working class Whites. On many occasions backing from third way Democrats helped a compromised Democrat edge out a liberal Democrat in the primary. And Hillary Clinton was the president of the DLC backing Democrats weak on social justice. While she never does anything directly against social justice, she has helped others opposed to social justice achieve the power to undo the advances we have made. The result has been varied. Gays have achieved a lot of equality. But for women and African-Americans, the country has been back-sliding. I do not get why anyone at DU would let her slide on this. |
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:30 AM
nolabear (37,551 posts)
32. Note responses on this thread and find me the high road there.
And he IS a Socialist. He should be proud of it and run as he believes.
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:34 AM
hughee99 (16,109 posts)
36. So Candidate Hillary can take the high one. n/t
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:38 AM
bunnies (15,859 posts)
37. So. Its obvious Hillary wont even try for single payer.
"too extreme". Great.
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:41 AM
Orsino (37,416 posts)
40. Why are they always generalizing? n/t
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:53 AM
Snotcicles (9,089 posts)
46. It's all boilerplate DLC, right out of the DLC playbook. Oh hey thats right the Clinton foundation
bought the historical records and website of the DLC back in 2011. Who next will be ripping on Bernie Sanders, Harold Ford?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council |
Response to Snotcicles (Reply #46)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:56 AM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
49. exactly, Bernie's porridge is too cold, the Republican porridge is too hot
My porridge is just right.
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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #49)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 11:59 AM
Snotcicles (9,089 posts)
52. Talk about a third party, kind of shimmied some where in between, so we can drift with the wind. nt
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:00 PM
Buns_of_Fire (13,953 posts)
53. McCaskill is on Team McCaskill. I won't hang this on Team Hillary.
If they had any involvement at all, it might be just for McCaskill to casually toss it out there and see what (if any) response it gets, so they can note whether to let the term slip in occasionally or avoid it at all costs. Just a guess.
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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #53)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:33 PM
tkmorris (11,138 posts)
67. You've described it fairly accurately
McCaskill clearly was sent out to attack Bernie, so as to keep the attack a certain distance from the Hillary campaign itself. That is the essence of dirty politics and I have no doubt whatsoever it came directly from Hillary's campaign thinktank. I find it distasteful. YMMV.
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Response to tkmorris (Reply #67)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:17 PM
Buns_of_Fire (13,953 posts)
123. Thank you. I manage to occasionally hit something within the foul lines.
I find it distasteful, too -- but I keep reminding myself that this is the realm of the hardest of hardball politics, and any chink (or perceived chink) in someone's armor is to be exploited. 'Tis the nature of the profession.
On a good day, such things are noted and then ignored. But they ARE noted. ![]() |
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:01 PM
Zorra (27,670 posts)
55. It's the third way of doing things, which many have adopted.
It stems from the laissez faire capitalist based ethical tradition of
"Let The Buyer Beware" |
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:23 PM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)
62. McCaskill
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:30 PM
ChiciB1 (15,435 posts)
65. Claire McCaskill Is A Follower, NOT A Leader...
She's pledged herself to Hillary for her own personal gains, NOT because it may be best for the country! AND, she will do what she needs to, and Hillary has been the only game in town... since FOREVER!
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:33 PM
leftofcool (19,460 posts)
68. Good! She spoke the truth.
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:38 PM
George II (59,815 posts)
69. Claire McCaskill is NOT part of "Team Hillary"
Response to George II (Reply #69)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:46 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
72. then again, maybe she is...
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:46 PM
hifiguy (33,688 posts)
71. Team Clinton has a long-established record
of saying and doing whatever is necessary, truthful or not, to gain an advantage.
Some of us recall all too vividly HRC's dog-whistling in 2008. Standard Operational Bullshit. |
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:49 PM
EndElectoral (4,213 posts)
75. Neither do I hear the media refer to the fact McCaskill is a DINO.
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:51 PM
Ino (3,366 posts)
76. Errr.... McCaskill endorsed Obama
She campaigned against Hilary in 2008.
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Response to Ino (Reply #76)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:56 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
81. True, and now she is campaigning for Hillary
and doing a bang-up job.
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:52 PM
Historic NY (33,856 posts)
77. Wow the outrage she pledge herself to Hillary Pac 2 yrs ago....
Bernies never going to make it if you bash all the super delegates.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/19/us/politics/mccaskill-lends-support-to-group-urging-2016-clinton-run.html Just yesterday this was put out......remember its sauce for the goose. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6898719 |
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:54 PM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
79. Because they saw it work for Republicans in the 90s....
You remember the 90s....
Newt came out with his "word list" and got a bunch of unqualified ASSHOLES into congress using negative campaigns and wedge issues. That was also back when we had the lowest voter turnout in history because Republicans and Democrats had the exact same positions on every issue they cared about. The Red State Dems ran on the "I'm as good as a Republican" platform. Hillary's people are running a generic formulaic campaign from the 20th Century. |
Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #79)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:05 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
87. Language: A Key Mechanism of Control
Who could forget that classic work from the Newt
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm Maybe we can ditch the Rebel flag and the 3rd way in the same election cycle. |
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:00 PM
still_one (76,076 posts)
84. McCaskill is an idiot. Actually, the media should be exposing O'Malley more. They seem to be doing
fine with their coverage of Hillary and Bernie, but it appears to me they are not covering O'Malley events as much
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:07 PM
LittleBlue (10,362 posts)
89. Because they have absolutely nothing except a cult of personality
built on a myth and fueled by corporate money.
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:33 PM
7962 (11,841 posts)
97. Whats different for the past 25 yrs? Thats standard operating procedure for them
And really most politicians. But the clintons do usually take it to another level
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:35 PM
tularetom (23,664 posts)
98. You can almost see the disdain dripping off the word "socialist"
And yet they've raised whining to an art form when they are criticized.
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Response to tularetom (Reply #98)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:40 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
101. When Bernie proves that it isn't a dirty word.....
Hillary will evolve INTO a socialist, at least on TV.
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:37 PM
Doctor_J (36,392 posts)
100. They are now playing the race card every day as well
The simple explanation is that they are republicans.
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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #100)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:44 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
105. what are you referring to?
please elaborate
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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #100)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:56 PM
LondonReign2 (5,213 posts)
116. Yup. It's sad that Clinton supporters are perfectly fine with such skeevy tactics
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:40 PM
CanadaexPat (496 posts)
102. She's just highlighting Hillary and Bernie's common affection for Saul Alinsky.
Response to CanadaexPat (Reply #102)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:58 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
117. which team are you on'? n/t
Response to virtualobserver (Reply #117)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:04 PM
CanadaexPat (496 posts)
120. Just pointing out that Hillary's has taken heat for being radical before...it's a bit disingenuous
for them to turn around and do it to someone else.
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:45 PM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
107. If this is a slur, why is Bernie calling himself a socialists? He is slurring himself.
Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #107)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:50 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
109. the difference is.......
she said that the media are giving Bernie "a pass" by not mentioning that he is a socialist.
Someone isn't given a pass for a good thing. You are only given a pass for bad things. " |
Response to virtualobserver (Reply #109)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 03:33 PM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
132. If it isn't a problem for Bernie to hold on to his socialists positions, then it isn't a problem
For him. I pointed this out before he declared his candidacy, I was told it wasn't a problem. When he wanted to promote his stand on the issue of being a socialists, it was good, it is not a selling point to many, it is his position.
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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #109)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:18 AM
BainsBane (46,056 posts)
139. Have you ever followed a US election before?
Good things become bad things. Kerry's Vietnam war service was swiftboated. Obama's multi-cultural background was cast as his not even being American. Racism, sexism, any and every foul attack is part and parcel of politics in this country and has been since the early Republic. Politics in America is dirty business, and no Democrat, even the most slimy like Terry MacAullife, can compete with the GOP. Politics is Hardball.
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Response to BainsBane (Reply #139)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:14 AM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
141. This kind of "hardball" is a sign of weakness
It means that you can't make a legitimate case for yourself.
I'm not worried about this damaging Bernie. He knows how to handle this, and if Hillary doesn't watch out, this will be her undoing. |
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:46 PM
Fumesucker (45,851 posts)
108. Because they aren't on their way to Scotland...
Response to Fumesucker (Reply #108)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:51 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
111. I've always wanted to go to Scotland.....
on edit- misread
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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #111)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:54 PM
Fumesucker (45,851 posts)
113. As long as you don't mind getting there before Hillary n/t
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:29 PM
LanternWaste (36,770 posts)
125. same reason that Democrats are compelled to debate personalities rather than policies...
Possibly for the same reason that many Democrats on DU are compelled to debate personalities rather than policies in the primaries, illustrating a distinct and dramatic lack of substance and objectivity.
They are using the term "ALWAYS" as though it has meaning. They are using the term Team Hillary in the same manner as right wing slur. Reminds me of my second grade campaign class president against Lisa Beurlini. (distinction lacking a difference below to maintain fiction of objectivity...) |
Response to LanternWaste (Reply #125)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:48 PM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
128. I used always because she ALWAYS sinks to this level eventually
and does so against Democrats and I am tired of it.
I am criticizing tactics, not personality......unless you are asserting that using this kind of attack is an integral part of her personality... then I defer to your deeper understanding of her. I used TEAM HILLARY because it was done through one of her surrogates. It is a group effort. |
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 03:03 PM
BrotherIvan (9,126 posts)
130. And yet, on this very thread, are the people who are most
CONCERNED that Bernie supporters are too mean. You can't make this shit up.
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:01 PM
CTBlueboy (154 posts)
133. Deja vu
Keep talking surrogates its really helped Hillary in 08'
Those surrogates have diarrhea mouth let them expose themselves |
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:16 AM
BainsBane (46,056 posts)
138. The fact is for most Americans, at least of a certain age,
it is a dirty word. The Cold War ensured that. This should come as a surprise to no one. You can't wish away the last 60 years of American history and propaganda because you suddenly find it inconvenient.
If Sanders starts to become a serious contender, you will see much, much more of it. If he wins the nomination, the GOP will engage in all out nuclear war. Sanders will be cast as Joseph Stalin, and Cold War rhetoric will be given new life through growing tensions with Russia. This ain't nothing. If you're complaining now, you're not ready for the main event. |
Response to BainsBane (Reply #138)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 07:19 AM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
142. and so was liberal, to a lesser degree
but to quote Bob Dylan
"The times they are a changin' " |
Response to BainsBane (Reply #138)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:17 AM
treestar (78,084 posts)
146. Exactly. Wait till the OP sees how low the Republicans can get. eom
Response to treestar (Reply #146)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:33 AM
virtualobserver (8,760 posts)
148. the republicans are children
they have only been successful because of Democrats adopting the same strategy and also falling for those strategies (Oooh, I am not nearly as liberal as you say I am, look at all the conservative things I've done)
These techniques only work on cowards, and those who are poll testing their positions. |
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:45 AM
4_TN_TITANS (2,977 posts)
140. Bernie just declared as a Dem for this
election cycle, of course establishment Dems will be against him. That said, ignoring his message will be their downfall.
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:11 AM
Exilednight (9,359 posts)
144. In the short run, it's easy to run downhill. What they forget
Is that there is an equally, yet grueling, upward slope once they hit the lowest point.
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Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:14 AM
lame54 (29,064 posts)
145. they are giving him a pass...
as in passing right by him
but they can't ignore him forever |
Response to virtualobserver (Original post)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 08:20 AM
Betty Karlson (7,231 posts)
147. Ms. McCaskill took the low road indeed.
But have you seen the Clinton video in support of marriage equality? That is the high road.
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