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magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
Tue May 15, 2012, 07:22 PM May 2012

US Army General Warns of Impending Fukushima Doom

Ok, who is this US Army General and what are his info sources? Because some of what he claims is pretty apocalyptic...(I'm on dialup so can't view the video)

http://news.yahoo.com/us-army-general-warns-impending-fukushima-doom-071128698.html

The Woodlands, Texas (PRWEB) May 14, 2012
Maj. Gen. Albert N. Stubblebine III (US Army Ret.), President of the Natural Solutions Foundation, an international NGO (non-governmental organization), released a 27 minute public service Estimate of Situation about Fukushima, Japan focusing on the immediate threat to the Northern Hemisphere emanating from the highly radioactive ruins of the 5 Fukushima nuclear reactors. The video is available without charge at http://www.GeneralBert.com.

Gen. Stubblebine’s prognosis is dire: “When the highly radioactive Spent Fuel Rods are exposed to air, there will be massive explosions releasing many times the amount or radiation released thus far. Bizarrely, they are stored three stories above ground in open concrete storage pools. Whether through evaporation of the water in the pools, or due to the inevitable further collapse of the structure, there is a severe risk. ....


The US Government's statistics document an excess death rate of 20,000 US residents, mostly healthy infants, in the first 9 months following the multiple nuclear events at Fukushima. .

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US Army General Warns of Impending Fukushima Doom (Original Post) magical thyme May 2012 OP
here is a paragraph from wikipedia that I found amusing notadmblnd May 2012 #1
Thank you. Post of the day. cthulu2016 May 2012 #2
oh. my. magical thyme May 2012 #4
Where was he on the moon bombing? Warren DeMontague May 2012 #5
Most of the military people who took part in the US Army's remote viewing experiments went... LongTomH May 2012 #12
He was also promoting a bizarre alien abduction theory starroute May 2012 #14
Ah, General Stubblebine jberryhill May 2012 #3
woo hoo, emphasis on the woo dionysus May 2012 #6
Please, can we talk about fukushima -a serious situation- without referencing rampant kookery? Warren DeMontague May 2012 #7
the "wackadoo" led the Electronic Research and Development and the Intelligence and Security Command magical thyme May 2012 #9
There are many people who were sane in 1970 who are not sane now jberryhill May 2012 #10
There has been a flurry of talk lately. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #11
+1,000 Scuba May 2012 #21
Stubblebine is a 911 Truther. Some industrial strength woo in his background. nt hack89 May 2012 #8
He is this guy- James48 May 2012 #13
Sadly, even if this guy is a certified wacka-doodle, he is absolutely correct about the situation Pachamama May 2012 #15
Don't load your babies with iodine right now caraher May 2012 #16
^^This. Maynar May 2012 #17
The guy's an expert on stuff most people can't even imagine. Octafish May 2012 #18
Military Intelligence Hall of Fame. US Army Intelligence, commander. HiPointDem May 2012 #19
Every crazy "free energy" scheme... jberryhill May 2012 #20

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
1. here is a paragraph from wikipedia that I found amusing
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:02 PM
May 2012

A proponent of psychic warfare, Stubblebine was involved in a U.S. Military project to create "a breed of 'super soldier'" who would "have the ability to become invisible at will and to walk through walls". Stubblebine reportedly attempted to walk through walls himself, without success.[3] He features prominently in Jon Ronson's book The Men Who Stare at Goats.[6][7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
4. oh. my.
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:13 PM
May 2012

Until that 'graph, he seemed reasonable enough.

"Stubblebine graduated from the United States Military Academy and received a master's degree in chemical engineering from Columbia University.[1] His active duty career spanned 32 years, and he is credited with redesigning the U.S. Army intelligence architecture during his command of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984.
Other U.S. Army commands that he led included the Electronic Research and Development Command (ERADCOM) and the Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM).[2] Stubblebine was a key person in the U.S. military invasions of Panama and Grenada and was, according to a report published by the Daily Mail, "at the heart of America's military machine".[3] He is a member of the Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.[4]"

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
5. Where was he on the moon bombing?
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:15 PM
May 2012

Concerned scientists want to know. Was he part of the targeted psychokinetic action that saved the star folks lunar colony?

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
12. Most of the military people who took part in the US Army's remote viewing experiments went...
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:34 PM
May 2012

...a little nuts. You could quibble with the 'a little!'

I talked with a friend, an employee of the Army, who talked about the remote viewing studies funded by the government. Fortunately, he didn't take it seriously. We joked about it often.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
14. He was also promoting a bizarre alien abduction theory
Tue May 15, 2012, 09:15 PM
May 2012

When the word about the remote viewing experiments of the early 80s came out around 1995, Stubblebine was among a group of people who claimed that remote viewing had been continued privately after the military gave up on it and that remote viewers had "seen" evil aliens kidnapping humans to use as slave labor on Mars.

The quote below suggests that this might have been disinfo to make the whole remote viewing enterprise seem ridiculous and cover up the fact that the military was still using it to gain actionable intelligence. But that seems unnecessarily convoluted -- and nothing since 1995 has borne it out. I think Stubblebine is just nuts.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/starconundrum_2.html

in 1995, I chanced upon a lecture by Major Ed Dames, who stated he was at the birth of PSI TECH. ... Dames was thus amongst the first to commercialise the remote viewing initiative. He was also the first to move the remote viewing promotion into the extra-terrestrial realm. ... What – if any – relationship they had with the fact that we could all remote view and access another dimension… was never made clear.

Instead, what we got was this: Dames claimed that human abductees were ferried to Mars for use as slave labour, by evil extra-terrestrial creatures. He made various claims about UFOs, extra-terrestrials, etc., and got invited to international conferences, including Germany, where I saw him lecture in 1995. Dames’ mission, or interest, depending on which side of the mirror you were looking at him, was to promote Remote Viewing as a tool that had unravelled the mysteries of the world. ...

Dames’ allies included General Albert Stubblebine, the retired director of Army Intelligence (INSCOM), a co-founder of Psi-Tech. Another co-founder was David Morehouse. Dames and Morehouse were both at the beginning of the waterfall of books that would soon engulf the remote viewing project. In short, here were three people, two freely using their military title, to talk about the remote viewing project, but equally arguing for an extra-terrestrial presence on Earth. Was this true… or disinformation? For even though they spoke freely about remote viewing and thus preparing the public for the revelation that such a project had existed, they were also confirming something else: that the general public, once they heard that people like Dames had been channelling ET, would agree with the government’s official statement that the project had been a waste of time.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
3. Ah, General Stubblebine
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:12 PM
May 2012

He's an interesting sort of guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine

Stubblebine appeared in the 2006 documentary "One Nation Under Siege"[2] in which he states, in relation to the attack on The Pentagon which took place on September 11, 2001: I look at the hole in The Pentagon, and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon, and I said "The plane does not fit in that hole. So what did hit the Pentagon?"

A proponent of psychic warfare, Stubblebine was involved in a U.S. Military project to create "a breed of 'super soldier'" who would "have the ability to become invisible at will and to walk through walls". Stubblebine reportedly attempted to walk through walls himself, without success.[3] He features prominently in Jon Ronson's book The Men Who Stare at Goats.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
7. Please, can we talk about fukushima -a serious situation- without referencing rampant kookery?
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:17 PM
May 2012

The MSM hasnt given it the attention it deserves, but that doesnt make the wackadoos suddenly reputable sources.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
9. the "wackadoo" led the Electronic Research and Development and the Intelligence and Security Command
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:25 PM
May 2012

I had no idea who he was and was rather surprised to see his "woo." But given some of what he was predicting, I suspected all was not right. That is why I asked.

There has been a flurry of articles in recent weeks, especially about Reactor 4's storage pool and vulnerability in the event of another earthquake. And yet, when I google Fukushima, none of it shows up. What is going on?

It's not just that the MSM isn't giving it attention. It's as if the articles I remember reading have disappeared into cyberspace....

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
10. There are many people who were sane in 1970 who are not sane now
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:31 PM
May 2012

People change.

He has not been in the military for ages.

He also believes that the UN's "Agenda 21" is an insidious program to deprive us of freedom and depopulate the world.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
11. There has been a flurry of talk lately.
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:32 PM
May 2012

But ive seen nothing to indicate that there has been a substantial change in the status of the SFP at #4. Is it dangerous? Yes. Moreso than before? I dont know about that.

James48

(4,429 posts)
13. He is this guy-
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:43 PM
May 2012

Had some interesting 911 conspiracy theory stuff.

Watch this video and you'll get a good sense of him from a few years ago.



Would I believe him? I would definitely want a second opinion before trusting what he says. That's my 2 cents, anyway.

Pachamama

(16,886 posts)
15. Sadly, even if this guy is a certified wacka-doodle, he is absolutely correct about the situation
Tue May 15, 2012, 09:29 PM
May 2012

...surrounding the radiation dangers to all of our health from the Fukushima Reactors....

Notice next to nothing in news....yet those paying attention know that the reactors havent been contained in any real manner and continue to leak massive amounts of radiation into the ocean, groundwater and atmosphere. As we speak, the various materials from the tsunami are washing ashore along the west coast....anyone who assumes that what happens there doesnt come here is really wrong....

I make a daily fruit smoothie for the Pachababies...we call it Mama's liquid love....tastes great with lots of yummy organic fruit and yogurt, vitamins etc but also loaded with iodine to protect the Pachababies' thyroids.....

caraher

(6,278 posts)
16. Don't load your babies with iodine right now
Tue May 15, 2012, 10:05 PM
May 2012

That's only expedient for protection shortly after a release from a reactor that has recently been maintaining fission reactions. I-131 has an 8-day half-life, so the amount in a reactor that hasn't run in over a year is diminished by a factor of about 2^50 - that's a millionth of a billionth of the original amount. The biggest danger - burning "spent fuel" - doesn't come in the form of radioactive iodine, which is the only hazard loading the thyroid protects against. Unfortunately, there are plenty of other hazardous isotopes present, chiefly Cs-137 with a 30-year half-life.

Read more on blocking uptake of radioiodine in the CDC's factsheet.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. The guy's an expert on stuff most people can't even imagine.
Tue May 15, 2012, 10:42 PM
May 2012

Regarding what he brought up in the OP: The article makes the general sound as if he's unfamiliar with the Fukushima Daiichi reactor lay-outs. It's a ridiculous, but common, practice to store the spent fuel in the same building as the reactor. It doesn't diminish the fact the guy knows something about radiation. Common sense to believe every general who's served since World War II has has been fully briefed on the dangers of nuclear contamination.

Here's what's scary for experts and laymen alike: Just the plutonium that's been exposed to the atmosphere through the explosion at Fukushima Daiichi Reactor Number 3 is enough to cause illness and death most anywhere in the northern hemisphere. Going from what we know about plutonium, it's probably going to be in the southern hemisphere before too long.



DOE-STD-1128-98

Guide of Good Practices for Occupational Radiological Protection in Plutonium Facilities


EXCERPT...

4.2.3 Characteristics of Plutonium Contamination

There are few characteristics of plutonium contamination that are unique. Plutonium
contamination may be in many physical and chemical forms. (See Section 2.0 for the many
potential sources of plutonium contamination from combustion products of a plutonium fire
to radiolytic products from long-term storage.) [font color="green"]The one characteristic that many believe is
unique to plutonium is its ability to migrate with no apparent motive force. Whether from
alpha recoil or some other mechanism, plutonium contamination, if not contained or
removed, will spread relatively rapidly throughout an area.[/font color]


SOURCE (PDF file format): http://www.hss.doe.gov/nuclearsafety/techstds/docs/standard/DOE-STD-1128-2008.pdf



Believe me, I'd be happy and think it'd be great if what the general was proved wrong. I doubt it, though.
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
19. Military Intelligence Hall of Fame. US Army Intelligence, commander.
Tue May 15, 2012, 10:57 PM
May 2012

proponent of psychic warfare, Stubblebine was involved in a U.S. Military project to create "a breed of 'super soldier'" who would "have the ability to become invisible at will and to walk through walls". Stubblebine reportedly attempted to walk through walls himself, without success.[3] He features prominently in Jon Ronson's book The Men Who Stare at Goats.[6][7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine


One of my rules of thumb is never trust anything someone in the intelligence services says. Most of them freelance after they retire.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
20. Every crazy "free energy" scheme...
Wed May 16, 2012, 12:57 AM
May 2012

...will be accompanied by a testimonial from a retired admiral.

It's almost as if there is some kind of cottage industry in getting them to sign on to goofy shit.

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