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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWould the nation be better off if the south would go away?
I borrowed this OP title from a 2012 OP:
Would the nation be better off if the south would go away?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002235609#post222
Actually, I don't believe the OP was suggesting it should,
as the thread suggests it was a way to illuminate the problem
of South bashing, or at least that was my take on it.
What's interesting is that while a few couldn't help themselves,
most of the posts were against region bashing the South.
You see, South bashing, or region bashing, has been a thing
here for awhile. This was three years ago, so I'm pretty sure
it wasn't "all about the flag". Apparently, I'm not the only Southerner
offended by the bashing, and I noticed that far more DU members
were offended by region bashing in the past.
I guess all things change, and DU has to.
You can decide if it's for the better.
I'm done being angry today. I will turn this off, enjoy
some music, and celebrate this great day in American history!
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Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)
uppityperson
(116,020 posts)The nation would be better if bigotry would go away.
Arkansas Granny
(32,265 posts)Paladin
(32,354 posts)
Jamastiene
(38,206 posts)
Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts) 
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)We are one country.
raccoon
(32,390 posts)Jamastiene
(38,206 posts)No reason to throw the rest of us away down here. Some of us are against all this neo-Confederate crap down here.
You can live in Michelle Bachmann's old District.
demmiblue
(39,719 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)It would be better off if the South, Plains states, and intermountain West (save Colorado) would join us here in the 21st century. 
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)They have a history of slavery, segregation, oppression, etc. Of course the North has a history too, but not on the same scale as the South.
The South fought a war because people wanted to take away their slaves.
If they become their own country, I fear for the human rights of some people there.
Blacks and gays would be under siege.
We can't abandon them.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I live here.
FYI, I have no "heritage" because I am first generation American with British parents. But I was raised here.
My neighbors, co-workers, and many friends are black.
Most posts I see from you folks elsewhere (all the Minnesota (et al) anecdotes) is how someone "had an experience" where a black person was shunned in a store. Do you really live in such a lily-white area that seeing a black person is noteworthy? I don't even notice color as I go about my day, but it seems many "liberal" DUers sure do notice that color distinction.
Seriously, that blows my mind. We all live together down here. Next door neighbors, co-workers, in the same restaurants etc...We sit next to each other at Little League games, softball games, we work together, play together, we are one community, town, state, whatever....gah! I am really beginning to think many of the posters on here never even MET a black individual.
The south is not about to "become their own country." The only Civil War still being fought is on DU. Hilarious.
I was in South Carolina all week. Drove down from NC where I live. I saw NOT ONE confederate flag. I saw AMERICAN flags at half mast even at private homes to mourn the victims.
I am so sick of these south-bashing threads. Usually I just trash them.
Hey, read your own post. You want to talk about what the white settlers did to this country? Nah, it is easier to pick on the south.
"Blacks and gays would be under siege." OMG. Did you really take the OP seriously?
I am gay, and I am NOT under siege. My ex girlfriend, who is black, is NOT under siege. We don't need your condescending pity.
If you really fear for the human rights of folks here darlin', do some damn research...look up how many city governments down here are run by black mayors, council folks etc.
The small town where my family owns property is as country as country comes in NC...and there is a BLACK MAYOR who is even a convicted felon. He has been re-elected. The city where I live has a black police chief and many black commissioners. The last mayor was black. So take your condescending (and what I think is extremely ignorant) views elsewhere.
mentalsolstice
(4,654 posts)And I don't doubt that the person you're responding to, and others on DU, thinks we're still under siege of dogs and firehoses. Our congresswoman is black, as is our mayor (and has been for 30+ years) and city councilors/county commissioners. And on my own block I can count 5 or 6 houses owned by persons who are LGBT. Like you, my mind doesn't even register color or sexual orientation when I see people. We're not perfect by a long shot, however, in my many travels across the USA, I have yet to come across a city or town that is totally immune to racism and homophobia.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)of reason.
Most of the south bashers here have NO idea of what they speak.
mentalsolstice
(4,654 posts)We were in Asheville 2 weeks ago, have been going up there for years to visit friends. After this last time, we've put ourselves on a timeline to put our house on the market and move on up. 
cwydro
(51,308 posts)If you move there, dang it - I want to visit! 
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Look at who they elect to Congress and who they elect to their state houses and governorships.
They overwhelmingly elect Republicans who are bigoted against gays and blacks.
If they became their own country, they would be electing these same people.
That's why I would fear for some folks in the South...the ones who aren't straight, white and male.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Seriously???
And hon (just as an aside {{{whispering here}}} - uh, I do not think you read the OP correctly. Read it again.
I'm not straight or male. I'm perfectly happy here, as are the black friends and co-workers I have...because you know what??? I am pretty DAMN sure they would move if they did not like it here. Most are from the north...moved down here voluntarily.
You crack me up. Go on with your bad and oh-so-superior self.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)But the South tends to elect Republicans in greater numbers.
Add that to their history of resisting integration and instituting Jim Crow, and I would worry about some folks there if they became their own country.
It doesn't really matter at this point because it would never happen. The South already lost one war and odds are pretty small that they'd start another. Some folks in Texas keep squawking about leaving the union, but they're all bark and no bite.
It doesn't really matter anyways. Sure there will be some folks whining over the fact that the confederate flag is disappearing, but these are the same folks who whined in the past about integration and interracial marriage.
It's best to ignore them and move forward.
appalachiablue
(44,022 posts)
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)Oh, the hyprocisy.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)for making my point.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)And the general need to feel superior to a group of people even if gross overgeneralizations must be employed to do so. It's a shame and it's flat out ridiculous. I ignore them, they're just showing their own nature is to be prejudiced.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)They replaced it with "white trash"... The need to denigrate *some* group was amazingly strong in that poster.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)In the words of the great philosopher, Eddie Vedder: "Oh, can't escape from the common rule.....if you hate something, don't you do it too!"
Haha 
LuvNewcastle
(17,821 posts)I thought it was kind of, um, 'trashy' to make fun of poor people like that.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)You did well with that. And thank you.
I don't think "white trash" is much better, but we all know that is allowed.
Personally, I don't think we should categorize ANY group/race/nationality with "trash" appended to it.
But hey, that's just me.
Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts)
PRB
(139 posts)to secede. Texass is always running it's mouth. States like North Carolina and Virginia aren't as bad as Texas, Louisiana, and others, but it's a mentality of the region. Victimization. I say if they want to go, then good riddance. I can see the other point of view, but I'm not going to beg them to stay. I am tired of seeing all red on the election map. Frankly, I think the whole region makes us a joke to the world.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)It's "Texasperated." Just needed to correct that
Oh, and this, too, with regards to "all the 'red' on the map"
Nice map. What is the source?
kentauros
(29,414 posts)By Hunter Walker | 11/13/12 6:15pm
Software engineer and illustrator Chris Howard created this map of the presidential election results adjusted by population density to produce a map that shows a far different picture of the country than we normally see in the simple red and blue electoral map. Mr. Howard posted his map on Facebook this weekend with a note explaining that “most of the country is some shade of purple, a varied blend of Democrat blue and Republican.”
“America really looks like this,” wrote Mr. Howard. “What really stands out is how red the nation seems to be when you do not take the voting population into account; when you do so many of those vast red mid-west blocks fade into pale pink and lavender (very low population).”
Though people have long been creating purple variations of the electoral map, Mr. Howard said he was inspired to create his map by another series of maps made by Mark Newman, a physics professor at the University of Michigan’s Department of Physics and Center for the Study of Complex Systems. Mr. Newman’s maps used the electoral maps to create cartograms showing the size of different states based on population rather than land area. To create his map, Mr. Howard said he used “the actual numbers of votes for each party overlaid with population maps from Texas Tech University and other sources.”
View a larger image of Mr. Howard’s map compared with the electoral map, a map showing results by county and a third map that displays a shade indicating the percentage won by either party rather than simple red or blue below.
Thanks for the source. Usually this stuff is around 60-40 or less. I still maintain that the "Reagan Landslide" was no landslide at all.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)I'd like to see the same kind of map from the 2014 election to see what's changed, if any. I don't know if Chris Howard has done any other maps.
PRB
(139 posts)certain areas are getting more blue/purple. Places like New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, Montana, North Carolina, and Virginia.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)notice that there's a light-blue path running through the very middle of the South. Things are finally changing
Yupster
(14,308 posts)are light blue or light pink.
That means either Romney or Obama won them by votes of about 18-16. Cool dinosaur fossils down there though.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)is that far too many DUers continue to base their opinions on regions and states solely by the electoral maps, which designate strictly by solid red or blue. And that's hardly representative of the country as a whole.
Orrex
(67,111 posts)Whoa.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)
irisblue
(37,511 posts)It's not limited to the South. And I'm not giving New Orleans to those twits, the food is just too good.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)And you can't "give" New Orleans" to the south.
It is already here. 
irisblue
(37,511 posts)the food is just that damn good, the music is amazing and the people are charming, and this ill bred yankee dyke will be moving there as soon as I can. and Café du Monde coffee is a blessing from the stars.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)
nolabear
(43,850 posts)All this bullshit about the South would be laughable if the ignorance behind it wasn't so sad. Of course the government and what I truly believe is a desperate and vocalminority do egregious things, but look at where change is happening. It ain't Boise.
Imagine no jazz, no blues, no joyous celebrations of French, African American, Cajun and Creole cultures. Imagine the loss of literature, the rich language born of all those cultures. Hell, up here in Seattle I seek out the rare black folks because they seem like home!
Some people are all mouth and no clue.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The nation would be better if the south changed faster. The nation would be better if the south did a better job of cleaning its own back yard. The nation would be better if members of the south, along with their old mentality, hadn't planted themselves in every corner of this nation.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Because it is only Southerners who are racist or homophobic or anti-immigrant.
Sure.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)And how do we go about getting those people to stop voting for bigots and racists?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)All the Tea Partiers from many other states other than the south? Go look and add them up darlin'.
Or is that too difficult?
Prejudice is easy.
We'uns down here in the south, wayull, we jest too durn stoopid to tie our own shoelaces. We dumb folks down hyer shure dew need yore guidance. Kin yew send that Christie character down hyer? Mebbe that Romney feller? The Palin critter? Or the wide stance feller? Yew had that great Giuliani feller too. Wut waz that feller's name in Chicago back in the day? Hmm. Durn, we jest so stoopid down here and need a bit of hep from yew superior northern folk. We's so glad yew folks up thar kin hep us with this conundrum.
(My southern slang put here to simply illustrate the utter idiocy of the south prejudice on this board. No doubt that is how you think we talk...or think...or live. NO one here talks like that or thinks like that.)
I hear that many northern cities are much better off than the southern cities...Oh wait, I did NOT hear that.
Somehow, we have elected numerous black mayors and governors (hint here - do a bit of research) all over the south. I so hate ignorance. Please do some research into Charlotte, Atlanta, myriad other southern cities....you actually will learn, my dear, that there are more black political leaders in the south than in the north.
Peace.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)and I asked if you had any idea what could be done about it. Your snark back at me was not necessary.
Just fucking forget it.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)You must realize that this southern bashing thing gets old for us, right?
I didn't mean to be snarky, though I was irritable (happy to admit), but come on, shall we sit down and see where so many of the stupid tea-baggers come from?
What we can do about it??? Ha. What can we do about the racists all over the fucking country? Are you aware that Idaho is practically a white enclave? It is not the south we have to worry about. Oh no, the racists have moved on.
Hey, listen, I like your posts...tired here and ready for an early night. But I am just sick and tired of the south bashing. I defy ANYONE to come here and visit in NC or SC and show me incidences of daily racism.
Seriously.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)I worded it that way because I don't know the law on it, only that I'd like to see that method of redistricting so easily opposed in the courts (and won against) that the jerks doing it wouldn't attempt to do it again.
And we can't do anything about it now until the next census. Fortunately, Latino immigration is ruining those predominantly republican districts in ways they didn't plan
appalachiablue
(44,022 posts)2nd generation Polish people I've met in NY, Asian cab drivers in DC and NY who won't pick up black business people, Ronald Reagan from Illinois or Italians who ridiculed black solders in Italy during WWII. Silly, everyone knows this.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I can tell you that answer.
I have lived in the south all my life. NO ONE talks about that war.
Only on DU do I see this war fought again and again.
Sorry dink.
Come down to the Carolinas anytime.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Glad to see you all over this thread
The implication I get from many such posts is that because we started that war, that we should then be perpetually punished for it, like an ex-con.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)DU is better at shaming people rather than fixing problems.
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)The cancer of conservatism isn't limited to the South, but it surely originates from there.
If you aren't a hateful conservative/Libertarian/Republican yourself, there's no reason to be offended by the bashing of the South.
As for the question, no I actually don't think the nation would be better without the South. The nation would be better if the South turned into a bastion of progressive ideas, rather than cancerous conservative ones. Maybe it's an impossible dream, but I'd prefer to keep dreaming than to write off the South entirely.
By the way, I live in the Deep South. You'll find few people more willing to bash the South than me, precisely because of the conservative hatred and deceit I see on a daily basis.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)could go one day, especially today, without this nastiness.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Like I said in another one of your threads: Fuck the Dixie swastika and the neo-Confederates shitheads who fetishize it.
The rest of you are pretty awesome.
Iggo
(49,927 posts) 
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)It's just the bigots who have been fostered in the region.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Sadly, it is NEVER that easy. It is a monumental uphill battle for every inch of ground gained.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Jamastiene
(38,206 posts)I don't know why no one has pointed out to the bigots that if they don't like America, they can always move. Love it or leave it. The Confederacy is gone. Those who want it back (and yes, there are some in the midwest, northeast, and other areas too) should move out of America and go find a place that suits them better. They are free to go. By staying and trying to resurrect the Confederacy they are committing treason against our country. They need to be tried for that shit. It needs to continue until they finally stop all this shit. One thing to learn and never forget about "surrender" from Confederates is that they cannot be taken at their word. They didn't really surrender. They just got the Union to quit fighting them so they can continue their bullshit.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Investing in the irrelevant, petulant and unrealistic criticism of others (e.g., south bashing) is a waste of time and effort. Note who does it, and simply visualize patting them on the head and telling them, "bless your little half-witted and under-educated heart-- aren't you a special kind of stupid..."
Because in the short and long run, that's about all that type of irrational thought is worth.
LostOne4Ever
(9,752 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Don't punish southern liberals for the crimes of our neighbors! We are fighting them right along with you![/font]
FlaGatorJD
(364 posts)Well, with a few less expletives
Love Wins! 
randys1
(16,286 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)But in those states, mostly south and midwest, how do we get people to stop voting those people into office?
still_one
(98,883 posts)
pampango
(24,692 posts)except for the far right in Western Europe, they realize that "we are all in this together" and "my neighbors' problems are my problems because we are neighbors and problems have a way of not respecting borders in the long run anyway".
The South "going away" would not solve any problems.
abakan
(1,996 posts)The white southern attitude does.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)but you have no idea what you are talking about dear.
abakan
(1,996 posts)You may assume anything you want. I have no desire to prove anything to you. welcome to ignore.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)It means they cannot handle an opinion refuting theirs.
I've been here for almost ten years, and I have not ever put anyone on ignore.
So funny. Mwah.
abakan
(1,996 posts)I can handle you having a difference of opinion. I have no problem with that.
I refuse to put up with condescending snarky bs.
Procede to differ all you want, I have better things to do than to argue with you.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)You must have forgotten to put me on ignore.
abakan
(1,996 posts)I didn't have you on ignore because I've had no time to do it. I will accomplish it as soon as I find out how to do so, I've never had to ignore anyone before.
I can assure you this is the last I will say to you.
But please continue to show us what a bully you are.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I truly doubt I would be called a bully.
I don't curse or call names, nor do I generalize about people based on where they live.
You're new here. Sit back and get acquainted.
I feel honored to be the first on your ignore list. Goodness gracious though, you are liable to have a long one at this rate lol!
Take care darlin'!
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)states shows that there are MORE hate groups in the north than in the south, right?
TN: 29, NC: 24, SC: 19, GA: 28, AL: 18, & MS: 22 = 140
http://www.splcenter.org/hate-map
Now, to save argument, I *could* add FL, with its 50 groups and that would put the south ahead by 10, but I could also add ME, with 13 groups, IL with 21 & WI with 10 and the north would be back ahead. The reason that I *didn't add FL is the fact that I was born in Miami, and have lived all over South Florida. I consider Fl more like a "melting pot Nation" of its own, the same as I regard CA. So many different cultures and Nationalities blended together, it's like a world of its own. I've also never accepted Texas as a "Southern" State. It could be considered "Southern" geographically, but I've always considered it a "Western" State... geographically. Both are correct, geographically, as it IS in the South West.
For all intents and purposes, when I see the term "Deep South", I automatically think of TN, NC, SC, GA, AL & MS, while my first thoughts of "The North" are NY, NJ, PA, OH & MI.
Peace,
Ghost
abakan
(1,996 posts)Rebel flag waving, KKK leaning, people who embrace people like Roof.
I have lived in parts of the south for much of my life, and I find the majority of the folks there, kind and inviting.
Anyone who has lived or lives in the south, know the groups I am referring to and would, I hope, agree, they need an attitude adjustment, as do all hate groups.
Having never lived in any of the northern states I was not familiar with the hate groups there, except for the republicans, of course.
Thanks
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)for most of my life, including South Florida, SC, NC, GA and TN, but have also spent some time in Michigan and Ohio, and traveled through Indiana quite a few times. Honestly? I saw more "rebel flags" in Indiana than I've ever seen in TN. I saw quite a few in Michigan and Ohio, too, about equal to what I saw while living in a Suburb west of Atlanta...
Hatred is a product that destroys the vessel in which it is contained...
Peace,
Ghost
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)to region bashing than I was when I first joined DU. After all, my home state is Idaho and we fit an alarming amount of the stereotypes tossed around.
I love DU with all its inner conflicts. I have learned to be more thoughtful and empathetic by listening to the long term members who have seen it all.
This is a great day in American history! And I know I'm really going to miss this President...so proud right now.
Skittles
(171,710 posts)and I have lived in the south for decades so DO NOT LECTURE ME
BigDemVoter
(4,700 posts)And I'll be the first one to tell you that yes, we have some nice and enlightened people. . . . However, the majority are ignorant, fundamentalist, right-wing assholes, and I KNOW, as I grew up here.
Feron
(2,063 posts)But a lot of that is frustration that progress seemingly moves at the speed of molasses.
And a hearty 'Fuck You' to Bobby Jindal and Buddy Caldwell.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)I'm a liberal and I live in Texas - something I wouldn't recommend to the faint of heart. I've also been a member here for well over a decade. Sure every now and then the narrow-minded bullshit that seeps from mouths of some southerners is assigned to all of us - you know, a blanket effect - happens when people get upset. Even though some of us aren't like that at all.
It's really nothing to get angry about, it's human nature.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)That is, the need in some to get that thought out to the world now, because, you know, The Internet. If they'd just take the time to parse their thoughts and words, then they might just avoid any unintended region bashing.
Some others, however, do it intentionally. Because they're assholes. And the best thing to do with them is to actively ignore them, or put them on automatic ignore. You'll never change their minds.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The south as a region is solidly conservative and will remain so for a while. The conservatives garner consistent and large majorities at the polls. That skews our national politics firmly to the right, which is bad for our nation. If the old confederate states were removed from the union, the conservative states remaining would not have nearly the reactionary effect on progress.
In reality, however, we could not abandon the progressive people in the southern states to the tyranny of the conservative majority there. We have to find a way to get majorities in the south to embrace progress. Demographics is working in our favor in several southern states. Patience is required.
olddots
(10,237 posts)
Aerows
(39,961 posts)the strides every American today has made, including those of us in the Deep South!?
Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)They will get over it when they grow the fuck up ...
Initech
(108,783 posts)
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)He's a songwriter and guitarist for the Drive-By Truckers (and the son of the bassist of the legendary Muscle Shoals studio), and has spent the last couple decades chronicling the ills and the triumphs of the South. I think he offers a fair and nuanced perspective about how a lot of the negative stereotypes about the South are not unique to the region, but do tend to be more intense. And this being a political site, he has a great observation about how the product of Southern political culture makes the whole area look bad:
http://bittersoutherner.com/patterson-hood-the-newer-south/#.VY5J-kaJIYE
But in the occasional event that I turn my TV on and actually watch the news, I remain mortified that the most idiotic people in Washington usually seem to have one of our Southern accents. In fact, thanks to Republican redistricting, my beloved Athens is represented in Congress by the worst of the worst. Rep. Paul Broun never met a stupid statement he didn't embrace. He's a “birther,” and even though he was once a practicing medical doctor, he calls evolution “lies from the pit of hell.” I hear he's going to run for the Senate. He'll probably win. Southerners love electing dumbasses, and then we complain when comedians take the “easy way” and make fun of us for being backwoods and stupid.
It's a long essay, but should be of interest to some people in these threads.
MADem
(135,425 posts)responding to a tragedy. They were united and focused as a community.
I didn't see anyone in the coverage of that funeral acting like a butt-scratching, hateful ass.
I lived in Charleston when it wasn't such an easy place to be in, before the passage of the Civil Rights act. I think the city conducted themselves with some genuninely amazing grace....
csziggy
(34,189 posts)The DUer posting those comments would stand a chance of being banned.
Using just some of the message subject lines from this thread (including yours FlaGatorJD since I have seen that sentiment posted as a serious suggestion) - if anyone posted these as messages, they would be censured and either temporarily or permanently banned:
Would the nation be better off if the Jews would go away?
I don't trust the Jews to do the right thing.
It would be better off if the Jews stops voting against their own interests
It's Jews who infect everyone, the world with racism against blacks
Or how about:
I don't trust the Muslims to do the right thing.
It would be better off if the Muslims stops voting against their own interests
It's Muslims who infect everyone, the world with racism against blacks
THOSE examples are totally unacceptable here - but saying the same things and bashing "the South" and broad brushing all Southerners seems to be fine.
There are some posters in this thread I have respected for a very long time but because of their comments here I am very ready to add them to my ignore list. I've got a choice to make - start alerting on every single South bashing thread and message, add many long time DUers to my ignore list, or finally lose my cool and post messages that will get me banned.
Frankly, I am getting so disgusted I'm not sure it would make a difference to me if that last choice was how I said goodby to this place.
Fuck all you Yankees, for getting me so pissed.
phylny
(8,818 posts)and the most racist place I've ever lived, where I heard the "n" word the most, was Indiana. Northwest Indiana, in fact, in Chicagoland.
Here in Virginia, I've never heard it, and we live, Black and White, in the same community, working toward the same goals. And this is a VERY RED county, too.
FlaGatorJD
(364 posts)
The responses in large part have been positive, and it appears that
while South bashing is not likely to vanish anytime soon, I hope
we've shined some light on the subject.
I did some venting on this and another thread on this topic,
and it helped immensely, I hope it did the same for a few others.
While neither racism nor bigotry of all types is likely to vanish
soon either, look how much progress we've made this week!
Thanks extra to those who showed admirable calm & stoicism,
while I flailed away in full rant mode. I'm usually the calm one
Yupster
(14,308 posts)Should there be some mechanism for a state to leave the union peacefully?
It doesn't seem right that you should join any group and then be told you are in it for life regardless whether the group changes dramatically or not. Sounds like the mafia.