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Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
Wed May 16, 2012, 02:19 AM May 2012

The Abortion That Mitt Doesn't Talk About Any More..

http://www.salon.com/2011/08/08/mitt_romney_abortion_ann_keenan/singleton/

In a 1994 Senate debate with Ted Kennedy, Mitt Romney revealed a startling chapter from his past: A close relative had died many years earlier in a botched illegal abortion, shaping Romney’s stance in favor of safe and legal access to abortion for all women. But in the many years since that revelation, even as Romney flipped his position and became an ardent opponent of legal abortion, the details of his young relative’s story, including even her name, have never been reported.

The relative he was referring to back in ’94, Salon has learned, was a Detroit woman named Ann Keenan. She was the sister of Romney’s brother-in-law and died at the age of 21 in 1963, a full decade before Roe v. Wade. While much of what happened remains murky, an investigation by Salon has uncovered never-reported details about her life and death, including: how she died (an infection); that her grief-stricken parents asked for memorial donations to be made to Planned Parenthood; and that the family apparently wanted to keep the death quiet because Romney’s politically ambitious father, George, was then governor of Michigan.

With access to abortion increasingly restricted in many states and the possibility that a Republican victory in 2012 — potentially by Romney — will tilt the balance of the Supreme Court against Roe v. Wade, Romney’s account of how a back-alley abortion touched his own family is more relevant than ever. The episode is a window into an era when obtaining an abortion meant the real risk of serious injury or death. It also represents a key part of Romney’s political journey on the issue of abortion, which has more than any other tarred him as a flip-flopper.

The outlines of the story first became public when Romney — unprompted — brought it up in that 1994 debate with Kennedy, whom he was trying to unseat. At the time, Romney, who was making his first bid for office, was struggling to prove his pro-choice bona fides to liberal Massachusetts voters. In the debate, he insisted that he separated his personal beliefs — opposition to abortion — from his policy position that abortion “should be safe and legal in this country.” Accused by Kennedy of being “multiple-choice,” Romney angrily fired back:

“On the idea of ‘multiple-choice,’ I have to respond. I have my own beliefs, and those beliefs are very dear to me. One of them is that I do not impose my beliefs on other people. Many, many years ago, I had a dear, close family relative that was very close to me who passed away from an illegal abortion. It is since that time that my mother and my family have been committed to the belief that we can believe as we want, but we will not force our beliefs on others on that matter. And you will not see me wavering on that.”


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The Abortion That Mitt Doesn't Talk About Any More.. (Original Post) Fumesucker May 2012 OP
He didn't just waver, he collapsed completely. Liberty Belle May 2012 #1
"And you will not see me wavering on that.” pinboy3niner May 2012 #2
"...until I do." calimary May 2012 #3
I hope everyone reads, recs and kicks this one to the top. Control-Z May 2012 #4
Wow. Rhiannon12866 May 2012 #6
How kind of you, Rhiannon12866. Control-Z May 2012 #22
And thank you so much for the kind words. Rhiannon12866 May 2012 #34
Sorry about that and thanks for sharing -- n/t mazzarro May 2012 #13
Thank you, mazzarro. Control-Z May 2012 #24
K & R for this post alone. Lochloosa May 2012 #17
Thank you. -eom Control-Z May 2012 #41
I'm so sorry about that Control-Z, TBF May 2012 #26
Thanks, TBF. Control-Z May 2012 #43
hey, sweetie. Every time I see a thread similar to this ... Duppers May 2012 #33
You know what, Duppers? Control-Z May 2012 #45
K & R mahina May 2012 #5
He's a pig. Nt xchrom May 2012 #7
+1000 nt TBF May 2012 #27
K&R. n/t DLevine May 2012 #8
there's something deeply wrong with him. cali May 2012 #9
The LDS doctrine of "free agency" ... TahitiNut May 2012 #10
I don't think it's ever been. cali May 2012 #11
I apologize ... I answered my own question and completely revised my post. TahitiNut May 2012 #12
Another bit of proof that rox63 May 2012 #14
I'm shocked there was really a relative who had an abortion. SmileyRose May 2012 #15
This one's going on Facebook. LuvNewcastle May 2012 #16
K&R n/t Lugnut May 2012 #18
bump RT Atlanta May 2012 #19
Republicans, looking out for number one only. Screw the rest. The party of self-interest. R Money. Gregorian May 2012 #20
Wow he sounded so sane felix_numinous May 2012 #21
hahahahahaha! fascisthunter May 2012 #23
Mitt to the late Ann Keenan gratuitous May 2012 #25
He's the biggest scum bag ever to run for president Doctor_J May 2012 #28
And THAT... Is Saying A Bunch... WillyT May 2012 #30
Gingrich has a perverse kind of integrity. Rmoney has NONE. TahitiNut May 2012 #35
K & R !!! WillyT May 2012 #29
I do not rec threads Tansy_Gold May 2012 #31
"No limits, no questions. NONE." Control-Z May 2012 #46
K&R: Romney exploits a family tragedy . . . caseymoz May 2012 #32
What a complete sleaze... 3catwoman3 May 2012 #36
Welcome to DU, 3c3! ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #38
Welcome. caseymoz May 2012 #40
Welcome, 3c3. Control-Z May 2012 #47
K & R. nt Guy Whitey Corngood May 2012 #37
Wow! This guy really has no convictions of any kind that ... Ganja Ninja May 2012 #39
"I stand by what I said, whatever it was." Bolo Boffin May 2012 #42
Here is something I found: treestar May 2012 #44
K & R Scurrilous May 2012 #48
k&r uppityperson May 2012 #49
VagVamp #3 Bort336 Jul 2012 #50
this is such a sad, sad OP, the replies here Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #51

Liberty Belle

(9,534 posts)
1. He didn't just waver, he collapsed completely.
Wed May 16, 2012, 02:25 AM
May 2012

Excellent find. I hope Obama hangs this around his neck during debates.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
4. I hope everyone reads, recs and kicks this one to the top.
Wed May 16, 2012, 02:52 AM
May 2012

Wow. I am almost speechless.

I could never turn my back on my loved one the way Romney has. (My mother, the lovely woman in my sigline, died the same way.) If this story is true, he is worse than I had ever imagined. (And I have imagined the real Romney to be far worse than he appears.) I can't even come up with a name low enough for him in this light.

Wow. He's really touched a nerve with me on this one.

Rhiannon12866

(205,208 posts)
6. Wow.
Wed May 16, 2012, 04:48 AM
May 2012

I am so sorry. And you said that better and for more reasons than I ever could have. Your mother is lovely. I also lost my mother, though quite recently. She fell down the stairs during the blackout caused by Hurricane Irene, so this was my first Mother's Day without her. You've put things into better perspective for me. Thank you and you have my sympathies.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
22. How kind of you, Rhiannon12866.
Wed May 16, 2012, 07:04 PM
May 2012

Thank you.

I can only imagine how painful that must have been to lose your mother the way you did. This first Mother's day without her had to be difficult. I remember my first like it was yesterday. And I still miss my mom every single day.

I can't tell you how sorry I am for you.

Rhiannon12866

(205,208 posts)
34. And thank you so much for the kind words.
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:21 AM
May 2012

Because it was such a bizarre accident, it still doesn't seem entirely real to me. I had no idea it would hit me this hard.

And I am so sorry for your pain. But it does help to know that others understand. This thread on Sunday helped me a lot. At least I knew I wasn't alone. DU is pretty wonderful like that... And DUers are really the best.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1018&pid=114857

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
24. Thank you, mazzarro.
Wed May 16, 2012, 07:14 PM
May 2012

I think it might be time that all of us with this kind of story, pull them out and tell them. A Mitt Romney presidency would devastate women. We need to stand our ground and prevent that from happening in every way we can.

TBF

(32,047 posts)
26. I'm so sorry about that Control-Z,
Wed May 16, 2012, 07:47 PM
May 2012

your mom was a beautiful lady. Domestic abuse and abortion are issues that have touched so many women in this country regardless of economic status. When I posted about Obama's stance on reproductive rights on Facebook one of my most conservative friends responded that she agreed 100% with him on that issue (probably the only issue) and I was surprised. I think Romney is further behind in this election than he realizes. And again I am sorry for your loss on a personal level.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
43. Thanks, TBF.
Sun May 20, 2012, 07:26 AM
May 2012

And you are so right. "Domestic abuse and abortion are issues that have touched so many women in this country regardless of economic status."

There are some protections in place now for victims of domestic violence that weren't there for my mother, yet women are still dying at the hands of their spouses and SOs. And even with Roe a woman's right to a safe and legal abortion is limited if not impossible for many. We still have a ways to go.

I have to be honest, I didn't expect Obama to do much, if anything, for women. But he has earned my respect and support with his stance on women's issues. From equal pay and contraception for every woman to his support for Planned Parenthood and Sandra Fluke, he has spoken out like no other president I can recall.

A man like Romney, in this political crazy climate, could be the worst thing that has happened to women since Roe.

Thanks again, TBF. (I would have responded sooner but I've had connection issues for the past week.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
45. You know what, Duppers?
Sun May 20, 2012, 08:45 AM
May 2012

Every time I see a thread like this, I think of my mom.. And then I think of you; how kind you've been to me starting with your very first reply. And the way you've gotten my back when discussions about her have come up here on DU, alerting me to them.

I don't think I've ever told you how much your posts to me have meant. So much.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
9. there's something deeply wrong with him.
Wed May 16, 2012, 05:34 AM
May 2012

And it's sickening. Everything is fodder for his ambition. No position is rooted in anything but that.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
10. The LDS doctrine of "free agency" ...
Wed May 16, 2012, 06:09 AM
May 2012

.. separates the rightness of a choice from the freedom to make a choice. In this respect, I wholeheartedly agree with the LDS stance. As a liberal, I am steadfastly opposed to any restriction (e.g. "prior restraint&quot on an individual's freedom to either (a) sin or (b) commit a felony. Thus, any adherent of a religion who, for alleged religious reasons, advocates legal restrictions on such choices is one of the worst kinds of human beings: a hypocrite. Further, if such an individual proclaims themselves an advocate for "freedom" and/or "liberty," they are then doubly a hypocrite. Even further, if such an individual proclaims themselves an advocate for "smaller government," then thay are triply a hypocrite.

Thus, Rmoney is not only a hypocrite of the third order, he is an unmitigated whore, virtually free of any character of note and essentially absent any integrity whatsoever..


 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. I don't think it's ever been.
Wed May 16, 2012, 06:21 AM
May 2012

He's your brother-in-law because he married into your family. Just as his parents are parents-in-law to the person their son married- not all their siblings.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
12. I apologize ... I answered my own question and completely revised my post.
Wed May 16, 2012, 06:32 AM
May 2012

The answer to "when is the sister of your brother-in-law NOT a sister-in-law" is "when she's the sister-in-law of your sister," which she was. (The "in-law" relationship is not transitive. I.e. the relationship to YOU of THEIR natural relatives is zilch unless otherwise linked.)


SmileyRose

(4,854 posts)
15. I'm shocked there was really a relative who had an abortion.
Wed May 16, 2012, 07:20 AM
May 2012

He makes up so much shit that I would hear that story and assume he made it up.

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
16. This one's going on Facebook.
Wed May 16, 2012, 07:45 AM
May 2012

Is there any principle this guy won't compromise to be President? It makes me wonder why he even wants the job -- is it all just a big game to him?

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
20. Republicans, looking out for number one only. Screw the rest. The party of self-interest. R Money.
Wed May 16, 2012, 12:02 PM
May 2012

That bullshit talk about "compassion" is nothing more than a smokescreen.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
21. Wow he sounded so sane
Wed May 16, 2012, 04:09 PM
May 2012

--like most mainstream religious people I knew used to sound, before the RW took over. I saw this as the American way.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
25. Mitt to the late Ann Keenan
Wed May 16, 2012, 07:19 PM
May 2012

"Sorry about your agonizing, unnecessary, premature death, but I've got an election I'm trying to win, and pandering to a hard core of misogynistic nutjobs is more important to me than you or your memory."

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
28. He's the biggest scum bag ever to run for president
Wed May 16, 2012, 07:59 PM
May 2012

I think he's sleazier than Gingrinch. What a miserable piece of shit.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
35. Gingrich has a perverse kind of integrity. Rmoney has NONE.
Thu May 17, 2012, 08:06 AM
May 2012

Rmoney hasn't a principled bone in his carcass. Obama's pubic hairs have more integrity and character than Rmoney has in his entire bag of wasted protoplasm. Rmoney is a bully, coward, and soulless sell-out.

Tansy_Gold

(17,855 posts)
31. I do not rec threads
Wed May 16, 2012, 09:40 PM
May 2012

I'm reccing this, for Gerry Santoro and Ann Keenan and for every other woman who had or has to make a choice. That choice, and it is hers and hers alone to make, needs to be there. No limits, no questions. NONE.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
46. "No limits, no questions. NONE."
Sun May 20, 2012, 01:31 PM
May 2012

Exactly. Not rare, or with exceptions.

And democrats need to stop using these terms.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
32. K&R: Romney exploits a family tragedy . . .
Wed May 16, 2012, 10:44 PM
May 2012

. . . to win politically, and then he pretends to forget about it to win politically.

Even Richard Nixon wasn't this sleazy, and at least you could be certain he wasn't going to betray his wife Pat. With Romney he would literally say and do anything to get into power.

3catwoman3

(23,973 posts)
36. What a complete sleaze...
Thu May 17, 2012, 02:24 PM
May 2012

...this poor excuse for a man is. And what a weird collection of mismatched anatomical part - Pinocchio nose for all his lies, gelatinous spine for no firm stance on anything, and brass balls for claiming credit for the auto industry recovery. 2 metaphysical parts are notably absent - a heart and a soul.

I've been reading here for a while. Just joined this morning, and looking forward to getting to know all of you .

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
40. Welcome.
Sun May 20, 2012, 12:19 AM
May 2012

Sorry it took such time for me to say that.

The good news is, I think Romney has no chance of winning. I don't care how much money gets behind him. Some "products" just can't be sold no matter how well they're marketed.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
39. Wow! This guy really has no convictions of any kind that ...
Thu May 17, 2012, 02:34 PM
May 2012

he wouldn't abandon to win over the fanatics. He's not just spineless, he's a boneless shape shifter.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
44. Here is something I found:
Sun May 20, 2012, 07:43 AM
May 2012
The official statement from the Mormon church (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) regarding abortion is as follows: "In today's society, abortion has become a common practice, defended by deceptive arguments. Latter-day prophets have denounced abortion, referring to the Lord's declaration, "Thou shalt not . . . kill, nor do anything like unto it" (D&C 59:6). Their counsel on the matter is clear: Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints must not submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for an abortion. Church members who encourage an abortion in any way may be subject to Church discipline.

Church leaders have said that some exceptional circumstances may justify an abortion, such as when pregnancy is the result of incest or rape, when the life or health of the mother is judged by competent medical authority to be in serious jeopardy, or when the fetus is known by competent medical authority to have severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth. But even these circumstances do not automatically justify an abortion. Those who face such circumstances should consider abortion only after consulting with their local Church leaders and receiving a confirmation through earnest prayer.

When a child is conceived out of wedlock, the best option is for the mother and father of the child to marry and work toward establishing an eternal family relationship. If a successful marriage is unlikely, they should place the child for adoption, preferably through LDS Family Services"

—See True to the Faith (2004), 4–5


http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/sexuality/abortion.html

Sounds more or less like the Catholic Church. So it is inconsistent that the Mittwit could publicly make any pro-choice statement and still be a bishop.
 

Bort336

(33 posts)
50. VagVamp #3
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 10:20 PM
Jul 2012

VagVamp #001 rushbo
VagVamp #002 tony boom-ba
VagVamp #003 willard r money

Some of them hide in the darkness waiting to strike.
Others use wordplay to deceive and cajol.
There are those who have no compassion and simply hate all women.
VagVamp #003 is just a clueless wandering shape-shifter who is forever bending and weaving to gain the adulation and support he needs to satisfy his cold and heartless ends.

In case you don't know what a VagVamp is, here is a definition that my daughter, my wife, and I put together last year, which hits the nail right on the head.

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This is the beginning our list of Vaginal Vampires, feel free to add your most disgusting nominee.

Bluerthanblue

(13,669 posts)
51. this is such a sad, sad OP, the replies here
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 10:41 PM
Jul 2012

make it something quite different.

The compassion and love for others....

Please read through the entire thread.

DU is a good place.



It is too bad Mitt is so afraid to stand firm on things that really matter- his lust for winning has cost him more than he realizes.

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