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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Wed May 16, 2012, 09:39 AM May 2012

"...Romney is operating from the assumption that voters are stupid."

A peek into an alternate reality

By Steve Benen

Mitt Romney delivered a curious speech in Iowa yesterday, presenting his thoughts on the budget deficit, the debt and debt reduction, which is worth reading if you missed it. We often talk about the problem of the left and right working from entirely different sets of facts, and how the discourse breaks down when there's no shared foundation of reality, and the Republican's remarks offered a timely peek into an alternate reality where facts have no meaning....In other words, the guy who intends to add trillions to the debt gave a speech yesterday on the dangers of adding trillions to the debt.

More importantly, though, Romney presented a vision of the last few years that bears absolutely no resemblance to reality at any level. Jon Chait had a good piece on the remarks.

Mitt Romney delivered a speech today about the budget deficit. It’s hard to wrap your arms around Romney’s argument, because it’s an amalgamation of free-floating conservative rage and anxiety, completely untethered to any facts, as agreed upon by the relevant experts.

In the real world, the following things are true: The budget deficit was projected to top $1 trillion even before President Obama took office, and that was when forecasters were still radically underestimating the depth of the 2008 crash. Obama did propose temporary deficit-increasing measures, an economic approach endorsed in its general contours, if not its particulars, by Romney’s economists. These measures contributed a relatively small proportion to the deficit, and their effect is short-lived. Obama instead focused on longer-term measures to reduce the deficit, including comprehensive health-care reform projected to reduce deficits by a trillion dollars in its second decade. Obama put forward a budget plan that would stabilize the debt as a percentage of the economy. Obama has hoped to achieve deeper long-term deficit reduction by striking bipartisan deals with Congress, and he has tried to achieve this goal by openly endorsing a bipartisan deficit plan in the Senate and privately agreeing to a more conservative plan with John Boehner, both of which were killed by Republican opposition to any higher revenue.

The story told by Romney is one in which all of these things are either untrue or could not possibly be true.

I don't think Mitt Romney is stupid. I do think Romney is operating from the assumption that voters are stupid.

In Romney's speech, the deficit is responsible for a tepid economic recovery. That doesn't make any sense -- and I suspect the former governor knows that -- but he's counting on you not knowing the difference...In Romney's speech, the deficit can be dramatically reduced magically, even while cutting taxes on the wealthy and increasing spending on defense...In Romney's speech, "spending" has created a "financial crisis" (that's gibberish). In Romney's speech, the size of government has exploded to new heights (the opposite is true). In Romney's speech, the deficit is growing (it's actually shrinking). In Romney's speech, President Obama doesn't care about fiscal responsibility (Obama offered Republicans an overly-generous $4 trillion debt-reduction package, which the GOP rejected). In Romney's speech, Bush-era policies have absolutely nothing to do with Obama-era deficits (ahem).

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http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/16/11731503-a-peek-into-an-alternate-reality
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"...Romney is operating from the assumption that voters are stupid." (Original Post) ProSense May 2012 OP
K & R. n/t FSogol May 2012 #1
Many voters are uninformed and like it that way, it seems. WI_DEM May 2012 #2
The media helps. ProSense May 2012 #6
Do you have a favorable or unfavorable impression on free ice cream? Old and In the Way May 2012 #8
I believe the term is "willfully ignorant". louis-t May 2012 #11
I thought that was a basic tenet of the Republican Party. bluedigger May 2012 #3
Newt said it. He plans to lie his way to Thrill May 2012 #4
Unfortunately, jehop61 May 2012 #5
In fairness to Mitt.... Old and In the Way May 2012 #7
better hope he's more than half wrong... robbob May 2012 #26
That's not a bad strategy lame54 May 2012 #9
It's worked many times before... kentuck May 2012 #10
um...with some exceptions... ejbr May 2012 #12
And Republican voters are venal. xtraxritical May 2012 #14
This is so like after you get caught stealing, cognitive dissonance is your only friend L. Coyote May 2012 #13
It Wasn't Just The Words Romney Said In Iowa DallasNE May 2012 #15
Not everyone has the chemistry.... kentuck May 2012 #16
Please someone post a link RitchieRich May 2012 #17
Here you go. EOTE May 2012 #31
On the GOP side they are. Iliyah May 2012 #18
These lies and absurd nonsense could not be stated if... kentuck May 2012 #19
Romney flip flops ProSense May 2012 #20
Its a good assumption iandhr May 2012 #21
K & R Scurrilous May 2012 #22
Romney may not be that far off..... jerseyjack May 2012 #23
They forgot the word "Completely" before the word stupid uponit7771 May 2012 #24
For the most part BigD_95 May 2012 #25
In fact, he's counting on it. Let's prove him wrong, shall we? MineralMan May 2012 #27
I'm waiting for him to pull out the "Awwww gee..." hucksterism that gave us 4 more years of Bush. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #28
People that I have talk to that have an R on their voter registration card Pakid May 2012 #29
K & R Quantess May 2012 #30
Unfortunately he is on the right track too quinnox May 2012 #32
Yep. GoCubsGo May 2012 #33

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. The media helps.
Wed May 16, 2012, 09:50 AM
May 2012

Check out this question from the ABC/WaPo poll:

Q: Do you have a favorable or unfavorable impression of Mitt Romney's proposal to cut federal income tax rates by 20 percent?

48 percent favorable (33 percent among Democrats)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2012/05/16/National-Politics/Polling/question_4754.xml?uuid=4d-dKJ9GEeGMZlBQ1Bnm9A

No details, just give the impression that everyone is going to get a 20 percent tax cut.

Romney's plan actually raises taxes on low income Americans.



Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
8. Do you have a favorable or unfavorable impression on free ice cream?
Wed May 16, 2012, 10:53 AM
May 2012

Who doesn't like paying less? A better question might be, "do you like free ice cream, knowing your kids and grand kids will have to finance your free ice cream consumption"?

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
5. Unfortunately,
Wed May 16, 2012, 09:46 AM
May 2012

Rmoney has been speaking to the "base" all through the primary season and has forgotten that some of us can actually read and think.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
13. This is so like after you get caught stealing, cognitive dissonance is your only friend
Wed May 16, 2012, 11:08 AM
May 2012

A river in Egypt!

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
15. It Wasn't Just The Words Romney Said In Iowa
Wed May 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
May 2012

But the tone with which he said them. Romney showed a good deal of disrespect, along with the outright lies. He is not someone I would want to have a beer with so no wonder his likeability numbers are in the tank. He is one ruthless mother that will do anything to get his way. No wonder he reminds me so much of Richard Nixon.

kentuck

(111,078 posts)
16. Not everyone has the chemistry....
Wed May 16, 2012, 12:26 PM
May 2012

to be a private equity manager. They must, by definition, be ruthless and cruel and not lose sleep over some poor sucker that loses his job and can't feed his family...

RitchieRich

(292 posts)
17. Please someone post a link
Wed May 16, 2012, 12:26 PM
May 2012

...relating to the statement that the debt and size of government are going down.
This does not reflect the impression I've been left with.

(my doubt of those claims far from constitutes support for Red Team Leader)

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
31. Here you go.
Sat May 19, 2012, 07:07 PM
May 2012

What might be confusing you is the difference between deficit and debt. The debt will continue to grow so long as we run a deficit. However, the deficit (and as a result, the debt) had been growing massively under Bush. It's now on the move downward after some massive increases. As for the size of government, if you read any unbiased sources and ignore the screaming of the far right, you'll see that Obama (perhaps to his detriment) has been shrinking the size of the federal government since he's come to power.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/02/obamas-budget-deficit-getting-a-little-bit-smaller/1#.T7gm01KyOuI

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/05/business/economy/government-is-getting-smaller-in-the-us-off-the-charts.html

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
18. On the GOP side they are.
Wed May 16, 2012, 12:31 PM
May 2012

I remember in 2008 how effing close the Presidential election was and when wacko Palin was nom for VP it was a sure winner for the GOPs. Of course they didn't have Citizens "Destroyer of Democracy" United in placed, but with the ground and social media, I'm pretty sure that Pres O will win and a strong possibility of Dems taking the House and keeping the Senate. Then finally, just finally we can get this country back in the positive when it comes to jobs and the ecomony.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
20. Romney flip flops
Wed May 16, 2012, 05:47 PM
May 2012
Romney Flips Back To Claim That Bain Capital Created 100,000 Jobs | Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney is back to claiming that his former private equity firm, Bain Capital, helped create at least 100,000 jobs, telling conservative radio host Ed Morrisey that “we were able to help create over 100,000 jobs.” The Romney campaign used the 100,000 number at the outset of the campaign, then admitted it was bogus, started using it again, couldn’t answer challenges from reporters, and finally gave the number a massive downgrade to a mere “thousands” earlier this week. There’s still no evidence backing up the claim, other than a right-wing editorial endorsing Romney. An ad from Romney’s 1994 Senate campaign, meanwhile, claimed that the firm created 10,000 jobs — though there’s little evidence to support that either.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/05/16/485560/romney-flips-back-to-claim-that-bain-capital-created-100000-jobs/


Romney Campaign Massively Downgrades The Number Of Jobs It Claims He Created From 100,000 To ‘Thousands’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002686053

Pakid

(478 posts)
29. People that I have talk to that have an R on their voter registration card
Thu May 17, 2012, 08:31 PM
May 2012

are clueless about everything. They may have an opinion but they have no idea of the facts or the truth and lack any desire to learn the truth or to get the facts . So Mitt is right when it comes to his base they are stupid

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
32. Unfortunately he is on the right track too
Sat May 19, 2012, 07:11 PM
May 2012

There are a lot of clueless voters out there, look at the election of 2004 for plenty of evidence.

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