ISIS drowning people slowly in cages, blowing them up, increasing barbarity

[Liberal_in_LA]

Throwing gay men off buildings. Beheadings


Doesn't seem to be big news anymore

Sick bastards.

[randys1]

1. ISIS are Middle East conservatives.

[RKP5637]

2. Given the chance, some in this country would do the same if not held in check. There is

a hell of a lot of hatred in America against all sorts of people.

[randys1]

3. The cons I know wouldnt kill Gay people, but they sure as hell would discriminate

against them in every way possible, which is still legal in most places.

Conservatism is a disease

And their ultimate desire is to make them 2nd class citizens or make them disappear

[Hassin Bin Sober]

26. Don't kid yourself. It only takes a handful and somebody who is handy with tools....

.... to get the ball Rollin'. The rest will follow.

What did George Carlin say about individuals versus groups? Individuals are OK but with groups you get patches and flags and uniforms and 3 am knocks on your door. Or something like that.

[Smarmie Doofus]

32. Group membership affords the chance to operate with a sense of .....

.... reduced responsibility.

I think the psychologists call it "diffusion of responsibility" or something close.


People will behave in APPALLING ways in groups ; when it would NEVER occur to them to do so as individuals.

I didn't know Carlin took this on. I'd love to see it if you have a link.

[kairos12]

25. Total agreement.

[Uncle Joe]

4. Asswipes, they will be the source of their own undoing.

Thanks for the thread, Liberal_in_LA.

[Cleita]

5. So Bush/Cheney's wars for oil and MIC profits, that they said was to bring

democracy to the ME, in fact has blown those nations back to the Middle Ages and the era of the Spanish Inquisition.

[malaise]

14. Not to mention torture by Bushco

That is the precedent

[Cleita]

15. You are so right. Whatever credibility we might have had to pressure

them not to do this comes across as hypocrisy on our part.

[NuclearDem]

17. Because torture wasn't a thing in the Middle East until the US brought it there.

In 2003.

[riderinthestorm]

6. It's torture porn. Not many can stomach watching it over and over and over

these folks are pure scum!

[Liberal_in_LA]

7. not advocating watching. something has to be done!

[hifiguy]

19. Let the Saudis do it.

We have sold then enough arms to start their own world war.

Oh, but then I suppose the Saudi shitheels wouldn't want to attack their ideological bedmates. Never mind.

This is a disaster that is unfixable by any outsiders.

[riderinthestorm]

21. We can't do it though. It's obvious our meddling is only making the situation worse

beyond that, we don't really understand the shifting alliances there.

It's got to be the regional players doing the heavy work - KSA, Qatar, the Kurds, Iran etc.

Not us.

[Bonx]

8. Same with the drug cartel folks chopping people up

There's new videos out all the time of people being chopped up alive with machetes.

[Liberal_in_LA]

9. ugh

[yardwork]

28. Yes. All kinds of horrible brutality all over the world.

[yallerdawg]

10. This is "Mad Max/Road Warrior" reality.

This ISIL-thing started with an extended drought in Syria, food and water shortages, and a government that couldn't or wouldn't do anything about it for its people.

A little revolution, a lot of indiscriminate death, and here we are - shedding the vestiges of civilization, barbarity for personal survival, "religious" exploitation in justification, a reality of end-times apocalyptic vision.

I remember when Obama asked if maybe we should do something? And we said no...

Meanwhile, back in the USA, the west is running out of water, the government is rationing, impending crop disasters, diseases effecting our food chains...

And all we want to do is frack!

[Cleita]

11. Well, I did suggest back then that we should send in water, food and

medical assistance with troops to protect the Red Cross or whoever did the on the ground aid to get the Syrians and other nations through this, but it seems either we bomb or do nothing. Humanitarian solutions just don't seem to be in our wheel house.

[rtracey]

12. time

Time to cut off their propaganda heads, by destroying their internet access. Taking out the communications centers are always the first on the hit parade.... we have the technology to do it, but do we have the will to do it...

[moondust]

18. Internet Police?

Maybe the Internet needs a giant jury system similar to DU?

[rtracey]

23. maybe

Maybe the civilized world should come together on this issue and actually come up with a solution. As the spread of ISIS propaganda bullshit continues, more and more lives will be lost, young impressionable minds will be captured into these barbaric murderers beliefs, and more of our countries treasury will be depleted fighting in wars we do not belong in.

[Comrade Grumpy]

13. Diminishing shock value returns.

Once you've seen one head chopped off...

[Retrograde]

16. Covering ISIS would cut into the day's important Trump non-news

4 dozen people were shot on a beach in Tunisia on Friday and not one mention. A mosque was blown up in another country at the same time -not a mention. But footage of a bloviating publicity whore? That deserves half a news show (yeah, I'm looking at you, Maddow and O'Donnell). It's not important until it happens to Americans.

[AngryAmish]

20. There should be a ban on discussing IS on DU.

It cannot be discussed intelligently.

IS is winning. They have the support of millions. And all their enemies suck also.

Who should win this war? Hell if I know. Every side is horrible. Oh, but the Kurds you say? They are trying to carve out an ethno state a la Isreal. And when they take over a town the non Kurds are made to become refugees. But among the lot they are the most ok.

SAA will fight forever. Because a peace without them on top is genocide.

IS has a coherent ideology, runs fairly efficiently and has mass support.

Nusra is al quida.

FSA is slowly merging with nusra.

This fight will go on a minimum of 5 years, upper bound 15 more.

[leftynyc]

34. Why on earth should there be a ban

(that's a very silly idea)? That both (speaking about Saudi Arabia and Syria mostly) sides suck doesn't make it a topic that cannot be discussed.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

22. All categories of international response to ISIS can be placed in one of two categories.

:-Those involving large numbers of Western ground troops.
:-Those not involving large numbers of Western ground troops.

I think that it is likely that any strategy in the former category will involve the West being drawn into a protracted, bloody, region-wide war with no end in sight.

I think it is likely that any strategy in the latter category will fail to contain ISIS, resulting in them growing, spreading, getting richer, more powerful and better armed, and committing more and worse atrocities.

Choose your poison :-s

[ProfessorGAC]

24. Gangsters

Cloaked in a religion The religion doesn't mean squat to these guys. They just mobsters acquiring power and wealth.

[Renew Deal]

27. It got press last week.

[Yupster]

29. It seems like there's a consensus on DU

to do nothing and blame Bush.

On this thread at least.

Personally I think Napoleon's slogan of artillery destroys. Infantry just occupies fits here.

The Iraqi Army is not strong enough to destroy, but they would be strong enough to occupy after the USand helpers helicopters and planes destroy. It would take 1,000 sorties a day though, not the six or seven we're current;y doing.

It just depends on how much a people who believe in human rights are willing to tolerate.

[ladjf]

30. In their value system life itself has a negative value.

That faulty mindset is proof of mass sociopathic brain disorders. They are criminally insane and they are totally out of control.

[CJCRANE]

31. Another more stable group will come along and replace them eventually.

Their form of society is unsustainable in the long run.

[GreatGazoo]

33. Many of the stories on ISIS' barbarity turned out to be untrue

Not saying they haven't beheaded people (they are Saudi Sunni extremists after all) but the most sensationalistic stuff got pushed the hardest and some of THAT stuff...

Female genital mutilation in Iraq -- untrue
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/07/24/3463683/no-isis-isnt-ordering-female-genital-mutilation-in-iraq/

Burned churches in Mosul -- untrue
ISIS has camp in Mexico -- total BS
ISIS recruited British emo teen -- hoax

Many others:
http://fair.org/blog/2015/02/20/top-10-bogus-isis-stories/

We are being sold on our extended involvement in Syria, Iraq and the region. They are using memes that play well in social media but at the end of the day ISIS is still a Saudi and Qatari-backed militia of Sunni extremists helping advance the goals of Saudi Arabia and her allies (including the USA).

Again, ISIS is controlled by the Saudis, our allies. This is now well documented:

He does not doubt that substantial and sustained funding from private donors in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, to which the authorities may have turned a blind eye, has played a central role in the Isis surge into Sunni areas of Iraq. He said: "Such things simply do not happen spontaneously." This sounds realistic since the tribal and communal leadership in Sunni majority provinces is much beholden to Saudi and Gulf paymasters, and would be unlikely to cooperate with Isis without their consent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/iraq-crisis-how-saudi-arabia-helped-isis-take-over-the-north-of-the-country-9602312.html

[ronnie624]

35. Well, by all means, let's intervene some more, in the Middle East. n/t