Is the administration pushing for a coup in Greece, at the behest of neocon Vicky Nuland?

[betterdemsonly]

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From Naked Capitalism

A putsch in Athens to save allied Greece from enemy Russia is in preparation by the US and Germany, with backing from the non-taxpayers of Greece – the Greek oligarchs, Anglo-Greek shipowners, and the Greek Church. At the highest and lowest level of Greek government, and from Thessaloniki to Milvorni, all Greeks understand what is happening. Yesterday they voted overwhelmingly to resist. According to a high political figure in Athens, a 40-year veteran, “what is actually happening is a slow process of regime change.”

Until Sunday afternoon it was a close-run thing. The Yes and No votes were equally balanced, and the margin between them razor thin. At the start of the morning, Rupert Murdoch’s London Times claimed “Greek security forces have drawn up a secret plan to deploy the army alongside special riot police to contain possible civil unrest after today’s referendum on the country’s future in Europe. Codenamed Nemesis, it makes provision for troops to patrol large cities if there is widespread and prolonged public disorder. Details of the plan emerged as polls showed the ‘yes’ and ‘no’ camps neck and neck.” Greek officers don’t speak to the Murdoch press; British and US government agents do............

The Kremlin understands too. So when the State Department’s Victoria Nuland (nee Nudelman; lead image, right) visited Athens to issue an ultimatum against breaking the anti-Russian sanctions regime, and the Anglo-American think-tanks followed with warnings the Russian Navy is about to sail into Piraeus, the object of the game has been clear. The line for Operation Nemesis has been that Greece must be saved, not from itself or from its creditors, but from the enemy in Moscow. The Russian line has been to do nothing to give credence to that propaganda; to wait and to watch.

As the head of State’s Bureau of European and Eurasian affairs, Nuland is the official in charge of warmaking in Europe. Her record in the Ukraine has been documented here. Almost unnoticed, she was in Athens on March 17 to deliver two ultimatums. The communique released by the US Embassy in Athens was headlined, “we want to see prosperity and growth in Greece.”..............

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/07/nulands-nemesis-will-greece-be-destroyed-to-save-her-from-russia-like-ukraine.html

and yes this is a huge difference between Bernie Sanders and establishment democrats such as Clinton and Obama . Bernie will respect democracies that elect lefty governments and won't try to overthrow them because wallstreet and the neocons don't like them.

Bernie has praised the Greek people and the referendum results.

[SidDithers]

1. ...

Sid

[betterdemsonly]

4. Do you think coups are funny? n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. Personally, I'm laughing at the evidence-free conspiracy theory

A long article, that boils down to "the American government has not said much about Greece - just a few noncommittal 'we hope it turns out OK' noises; therefore it is plotting a coup against Syriza".

What worries me is that 'Yves Smith' reprinted it. She's not normally so unhinged as this.

[RobertEarl]

15. Russian ships in Greek ports?

Ya think that Obama ignores that prospect?

[muriel_volestrangler]

29. "Russian ships in Greek ports" comes from Kaplan's WSJ editorial

It's behind a firewall, but someone has copied it all to this forum: http://discuss.morningstar.com/NewSocialize/forums/p/350552/3657788.aspx

That's not the Obama administration saying that; and neither it is contemplating a coup (though it does regard Syriza as 'hard left'). It has a lot of painting of Russia as a bogeyman, but its conclusion is:

The EU, as frustrating as its policies can be, represents the ultimate triumph of American power emerging from the bloodshed of World War II. If Greece does leave the eurozone, whatever the country’s sins, it is demonstrably in Europe’s and America’s interest to nurse it back to health to keep, for example, Russian warships away from Greek ports. Greece, whether with the euro or the drachma, is in need of nation-building. Europe, after all, to be true to its own values, must give hope and succor to its periphery.

[RobertEarl]

39. So

The EU has to kiss Greece's ass. So why are is the EU being such jackals and wanting to make Greece suffer?

But then, hey, Europe was the scene of the last world war, what with their petty politics, and banksters starving poor people.

[betterdemsonly]

14. The claims come from a former Carter administration official.

and this administration has done coups. Honduras and the Ukraine come to mind. Their supporters are openly supporting a coup against the elected Venezulan government.

[SidDithers]

16. I think Yves Smith is funny...

the fringe left media is a fucking hoot.

Sid

[betterdemsonly]

18. Any opportunity to name call

Coming from a guy who biases indicate he isn't even a member of the left period.

[SidDithers]

21. You forgot yo mention Nuland's cookies...

No good conspiracy theory is complete without talking about Nuland's cookies.

Or, maybe, she's got a recipe for baklava?



Sid

[betterdemsonly]

23. You pretend there is no history

The Ukraine and Honduras are good examples, of coups this administration supported. Heck half the belittlers here openly supported the Ukrainian coup, so why the pretense?

[SidDithers]

25. And the CTers supported Pootie-Poot...

And his annexation of Crimea.

Right?

Sid

[betterdemsonly]

27. The crimean people voted for it

They are historically, and culturally Russian, so yeah i support them. Putin is besides the point.


Only proves that Obama doesn't respect the democratic will, when it conflicts with his foreign or economic objectives.

And it proves him and his supporters support coups.

How is that a conspiracy theory?

[stevenleser]

28. A vote to become part of an invading and occupying power while under control of that occupying

powers troops is no vote at all.

Unless you intend to recognize the puppet governments the Nazis set up in occupied Europe?

[betterdemsonly]

31. The idea that he invaded a place he already had for 200 years is a

villiager conspiracy theory. No evidence what so ever.

[stevenleser]

32. Then why a vote at all?

[hifiguy]

22. I will bet you think the Pinochet coup in Chile

and the subsequent tens of thousands of deaths and disappearances, courtesy of HRC BFF war criminal Henry Kissinger. were a real hoot, too.

[Tarheel_Dem]

2. Aw Jeez. Poor Vicky Nuland, the scourge of RT & its propaganda machine.

[betterdemsonly]

3. Naked Capitalism isn't RT

She is married to PNAC's Robert Kagan, and she married him for his political views, that support regime change. Obama evidently had no problem with this.

[lpbk2713]

5. I once had a coupe.

And the only way to get it anywhere was to push it.

[randome]

26. I once owned a jeep.

Now I have a Mustang that people compliment me on.
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[leveymg]

6. I used to push my coupe. Problems with the starter solenoid.

In the case of Greece, there was the Colonel's Junta of 1967-74 that most Americans learned to ignore. I doubt the Greeks are quite as forgetful.

[betterdemsonly]

7. Americans are good people, but our media and political esablishment

are bigoted against non-Americans and non-Corporatists.

They can't pay attention to what they aren't told about.

[tularetom]

8. How did a nut like this Nuland get into the Obama state department in the first place?

I think I know the answer, but i'd like to get my suspicions confirmed.

[betterdemsonly]

9. They say Clinton wanted her.

What are your suspicions?

Obama has praised Robert Kagan too, and she couldn't get a job if he didn't approve of it. He has always been dishonest about his real foreign policy views. His mentor was Joseph Lieberman. He basically gave up the ball on Iraq to push on the rest of the PNAC agenda.

[tularetom]

11. Bingo!

That was precisely what I suspected.

I don't think Obama has a strong interest in foreign policy, at least the military aspects of it. He seems awfully comfortable with taking the word of his appointees on those matters, even when it has come back to bite him in the ass.

[betterdemsonly]

12. I suspect he doesn't have any strong opinions on anything but his own personal advancement

He pretty much goes along with the DC flow.

[geek tragedy]

10. .

This is industrial grade crazy.

[betterdemsonly]

24. and if happens you'll support it just like you supported the Ukrainian coup n/t

[stevenleser]

36. Careful, Nulands cookies are gonna get ya!

[betterdemsonly]

41. You must learn euphemisms from Scalia

Nuland's cookies makes about as much sense as "apple sauce"

Have no clue what your implying.

Sounds like your saying she is just an old lady, which is kind of sexist and agest. She has got a long history in Washington as a neoconservative, a member of the PNAC, a supporter of the Iraq war and Regime Change. She is the Secretary State, and the fact that the Democrats appointed her has terrible implications about their foreign policy preferences.

[stevenleser]

43. Did Scalia hand out Nuland's cookies too? OhMiGawrsh!

[Nye Bevan]

17. Oh no! It's

[hifiguy]

19. It would come as no surprise at all if a few Syriza leaders

are mysteriously found to have committed suicide by shooting themselves in the back over the next few weeks. Remember Salvador Allende.

[Lisa D]

20. No.

[stevenleser]

30. LMAO!

[betterdemsonly]

34. I am not the one claiming something like a Hitler invasion of Poland that the media missed out on

but I am not going to laugh. I think you sad people. Name calling because your side is so damn wrong.

[stevenleser]

35. I'm not the one downplaying an unprovoked war of aggression to complain about Nulands cookies

but please continue!!!!

[Cali_Democrat]

33. Watch out for Victoria Nuland's cookies

The Greeks don't stand a chance against chocolate chip macadamia nut.

[SidDithers]

37. Nuland's spanakopita made Greeks not pay their taxes...nt

Sid

[stevenleser]

38. Yes! Yes! Beware Nulands cookies!!! ROFLMAO

[Bluenorthwest]

40. You know what is a fully toxic stinker in the midst of this rant? "Victoria Nuland (nee Nudelman)"

First off, nee refers to a name a person formerly had, Nuland's father was fairly well known and he used the name Nuland, married under that name and so he is Nuland nee Nudelman, but she is simply not.
Secondly the only reason to point to her father's original name is to point out that it is a Jewish name, and that is a toxic stinker of seriously gassy proportions. It's slimy and bigoted.

[SidDithers]

42. +1...nt

Sid

[Bluenorthwest]

44. There's just no other reason to do this. Her politics are not my own but this crap is bigoted and

therefore entirely suspect.

[betterdemsonly]

45. I have yet to see a women referred too as Jane Doe nee "insert maiden name here" in a

way that seemed relevant but it grasping to say it has something to do with being Jewish.

[azurnoir]

46. Locking as CT per Host consensus