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(3,160 posts)
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 06:07 PM Jul 2015

The Mess that Nuland Made -- Robert Parry

Exclusive: Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s “regime change” in early 2014 without weighing the likely chaos and consequences. Now, as neo-Nazis turn their guns on the government, it’s hard to see how anyone can clean up the mess that Nuland made, writes Robert Parry.


Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs “Toria” Nuland was the “mastermind” behind the Feb. 22, 2014 “regime change” in Ukraine, plotting the overthrow of the democratically elected government of President Viktor Yanukovych while convincing the ever-gullible U.S. mainstream media that the coup wasn’t really a coup but a victory for “democracy.”


So, for nearly a year and a half, the West’s mainstream media, especially The New York Times and The Washington Post, twisted their reporting into all kinds of contortions to avoid telling their readers that the new regime in Kiev was permeated by and dependent on neo-Nazi fighters and Ukrainian ultra-nationalists who wanted a pure-blood Ukraine, without ethnic Russians.


Any mention of that sordid reality was deemed “Russian propaganda” and anyone who spoke this inconvenient truth was a “stooge of Moscow.” It wasn’t until July 7 that the Times admitted the importance of the neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists in waging war against ethnic Russian rebels in the east. The Times also reported that these far-right forces had been joined by Islamic militants. Some of those jihadists have been called “brothers” of the hyper-brutal Islamic State.


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The Mess that Nuland Made -- Robert Parry (Original Post) FlatBaroque Jul 2015 OP
Parry. LOL...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #1
Looks like one of the Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #2
We never left, the force of rational thought is strong- snooper2 Jul 2015 #18
What do you think of the job Nuland and USAID did? Wilms Jul 2015 #6
U.S. mainstream media. LOL...nt ljm2002 Jul 2015 #9
Its You LOL bahrbearian Jul 2015 #15
All but one of the usual suspects is back. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #22
Pay checks must be back Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #27
That's a poor riposte n/t Scootaloo Jul 2015 #30
Well, we can't all be legendary wordsmiths. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #37
Ah. Igel Jul 2015 #38
Oh Lord. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #3
What I wish to know is FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #4
A damned good question. n/t Wilms Jul 2015 #7
Apparently Obama loves her neo con husband nationalize the fed Jul 2015 #16
what we need are some tough-minded Democrat best and brightest and we wouldn't be in this MisterP Jul 2015 #33
Kick for Robert Parry and truth in reporting. nt grasswire Jul 2015 #5
Rambo Sylvia Plath ain't seveneyes Jul 2015 #8
She was able to mastermind that? treestar Jul 2015 #10
The cookies were *really* good. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #12
Yep Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #19
Parry knows PNAC Octafish Jul 2015 #11
I had no idea about Fred and Kim. Wilms Jul 2015 #13
Thank you yet again annabanana Jul 2015 #35
K&R JEB Jul 2015 #14
I love the implication that non-Americans are provincial sheep incapable of acting on their own Recursion Jul 2015 #17
As I wrote from day one malaise Jul 2015 #20
And what exactly would Nuland be charged with? NuclearDem Jul 2015 #21
Nuland is an American. Think that makes a difference? elias49 Jul 2015 #23
That and there's no evidence Nuland committed a crime. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #26
Surely you guys have something you'd want her charged with. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #31
Are you fine with Putin Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #28
+1000 malaise. nt. polly7 Jul 2015 #44
Hi there polly7 malaise Jul 2015 #45
Hey! polly7 Jul 2015 #51
I've needed this explained to me libodem Jul 2015 #24
Lol, yes Nuland and her cookies killed Buckwheat too. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #25
Nuland was on the grassy knoll! Adrahil Jul 2015 #29
Kick. Thank you for posting. eom Purveyor Jul 2015 #32
...! KoKo Jul 2015 #34
REAL "Islamofascists"? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #36
I feel sorry about Yanukovych too. Throd Jul 2015 #39
Perhas that was the strategy... n/t FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #46
Parry?????? MohRokTah Jul 2015 #40
Parry again? Isn't this guy tired of being wrong about damn near everything? Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #41
She is a PNAC neocon betterdemsonly Jul 2015 #42
Kick for Parry and truth. polly7 Jul 2015 #43
Victoria Nuland needs to be unceremoniously removed from her position. seafan Jul 2015 #47
Damned informative post. Thank you n/t FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #48
Now THAT is journalism. A real lesson in history, too. Octafish Jul 2015 #49
+1000. nt. polly7 Jul 2015 #50


(30,151 posts)
18. We never left, the force of rational thought is strong-
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:28 PM
Jul 2015


If you watch =3 on YouTube-
don't do this-----



(26,795 posts)
6. What do you think of the job Nuland and USAID did?
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 06:19 PM
Jul 2015

Did I forget to mention Chevron?

Or is this not a place for serious discussion.


(35,092 posts)
38. Ah.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 09:16 PM
Jul 2015

Another ode from the Parry to reveal us his true light.

Another Parrody of odious delightenment.


(3,160 posts)
4. What I wish to know is
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 06:17 PM
Jul 2015

what is it about this heinous person that inspired both SOS' Clinton and Kerry to promote her?

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
16. Apparently Obama loves her neo con husband
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:24 PM
Jul 2015

Neo-Con Artist Robert Kagan

Robert Kagan (born September 26, 1958 in Athens, Greece) is an American historian, author, columnist, and foreign-policy commentator. Kagan is often characterized as a leading neoconservative, but prefers to call himself a "liberal interventionist". (ROFL)

...Kagan's essay "Not Fade Away: The Myth of American Decline" (The New Republic, February 2, 2012)[31] was very positively received by President Obama. Josh Rogin reported in Foreign Policy that the president "spent more than 10 minutes talking about it...going over its arguments paragraph by paragraph."[32] That essay was excerpted from his book, The World America Made (2012).

Everyone should remember that Obama himself said his policies are "republican from the '80s"


(23,730 posts)
33. what we need are some tough-minded Democrat best and brightest and we wouldn't be in this
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jul 2015

quagmire and be getting all this blowback!

60s, 80s, 10s ...


(55,745 posts)
11. Parry knows PNAC
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 06:34 PM
Jul 2015

The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies fronts for Money Trumps Peace Inc.

The Buy Partisan PNAC crypto-fascist corporate interests are hell bent on fracking Ukraine and making money off war four days from Super Tuesday:

What about apologizing to Ukraine, Mrs. Nuland?

Fri, Feb 7, 2014

Yesterday’s leak of the flagrant telephone talk between the US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey R. Pyatt has already hit the international media headlines. In short, it turned out that the US officials were coordinating their actions on how to install a puppet government in Ukraine. They agreed to nominate Bat’kyvshchina Party leader Arseniy Yatseniuk as Deputy Prime Minister, to bench Udar Party leader Vitaly Klitschko from the game for a while and to discredit neo-Nazi Svoboda party chief Oleh Tiahnybok as “Yanukovych’s project”. Then Mrs. Nuland informed the US Ambassador that the UN Secretary General, Under-Secretary for Political Affairs Jeffrey Feltman had already instructed Ban Ki-moon to send his special envoy to Kyiv this week “to glue things together”. Referring to the European role in managing Ukraine’s political crisis, she was matchlessly elegant: “Fuck the EU”.

In a short while, after nervious attempts to blame Russians in fabricating (!) the tape (State Department: “this is a new low in Russian tradecraft”), Mrs. Nuland made her apologies to the EU officials. Does it mean that the Washington’s repeatedly leaked genuine attitude towards the “strategic Transatlantic partnership” is more worthy of an apology than the direct and clear interference into the internal affairs of a sovereign state and violation of the US-Russia-UK agreement (1994 Budapest memorandum) on security assurances for Ukraine? Meanwhile this document inter alia reads as follows:

The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.

Back to the latest Mrs. Nuland’s diplomatic collapse which was made public, it was unlikely an unfortunate misspelling. Andrey Akulov from Strategic Culture Foundation has published a brilliant report (Bride at every wedding, Part I and Part II) a couple of days ago describing Mrs.Nuland’s blatant lack of professionalism and personal integrity. He described in details her involvement in misinforming the US President and nation on the circumstances of the assasination of the US Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens in Benghazi in September 2012 and her support of the unlawful US funding of a number of the Russian “independent” NGOs seeking to bring a color revolution to Russia.



If you've time, there's great video at the link, too.

Neocons and Liberals Together, Again

The neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC) has signaled its intention to continue shaping the government's national security...

Tom Barry, last updated: February 02, 2005

The neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC) has signaled its intention to continue shaping the government's national security strategy with a new public letter stating that the "U.S. military is too small for the responsibilities we are asking it to assume." Rather than reining in the imperial scope of U.S. national security strategy as set forth by the first Bush administration, PNAC and the letter's signatories call for increasing the size of America's global fighting machine.


Liberal Hawks Fly with the Neocons

The recent PNAC letter to Congress was not the first time that PNAC or its associated front groups, such as the Coalition for the Liberation of Iraq, have included hawkish Democrats.

Two PNAC letters in March 2003 played to those Democrats who believed that the invasion was justified at least as much by humanitarian concerns as it was by the purported presence of weapons of mass destruction. PNAC and the neocon camp had managed to translate their military agenda of preemptive and preventive strikes into national security policy. With the invasion underway, they sought to preempt those hardliners and military officials who opted for a quick exit strategy in Iraq. In their March 19th letter, PNAC stated that Washington should plan to stay in Iraq for the long haul: "Everyone-those who have joined the coalition, those who have stood aside, those who opposed military action, and, most of all, the Iraqi people and their neighbors-must understand that we are committed to the rebuilding of Iraq and will provide the necessary resources and will remain for as long as it takes."

Along with such neocon stalwarts as Robert Kagan, Bruce Jackson, Joshua Muravchik, James Woolsey, and Eliot Cohen, a half-dozen Democrats were among the 23 individuals who signed PNAC's first letter on post-war Iraq. Among the Democrats were Ivo Daalder of the Brookings Institution and a member of Clinton's National Security Council staff; Martin Indyk, Clinton's ambassador to Israel; Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute and Democratic Leadership Council; Dennis Ross, Clinton's top adviser on the Israel-Palestinian negotiations; and James Steinberg, Clinton's deputy national security adviser and head of foreign policy studies at Brookings. A second post-Iraq war letter by PNAC on March 28 called for broader international support for reconstruction, including the involvement of NATO, and brought together the same Democrats with the prominent addition of another Brookings' foreign policy scholar, Michael O'Hanlon.



That's from Rightweb. They're full of facts, for those who take the time to read and learn. One name to pay attention to is Victoria Nuland, our woman in Ukraine, who is married to PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan. Robert Kagan's brother is Frederick Kagan. Frederick Kagan's spouse is Kimberly Kagan.

Brilliant people, big ideas, etc. The thing is, that's a lot of PNAC and the PNAC approach to international relations means more wars without end for profits without cease, among other things detrimental to democracy, peace and justice.

After Tehran, it's on to Moscow. They really need the money. And PNAC members don't care who dies in stealing it.


(56,582 posts)
17. I love the implication that non-Americans are provincial sheep incapable of acting on their own
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:27 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:28 PM - Edit history (1)

I guess it makes some people feel better to see a US plot behind every world event; if we start admitting to ourselves the rest of the world has agency, things get complicated.


(266,750 posts)
20. As I wrote from day one
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:37 PM
Jul 2015

Truth will out. I faced lots of attacks for exposing the neo-Nazi fascists who killed those people in the Trade Union Building.

Nuland should be charged for war crimes



(16,184 posts)
21. And what exactly would Nuland be charged with?
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:55 PM
Jul 2015

Though, I guess if you're concerned about prosecution for war crimes, you'd be fine with throwing Putin in The Hague for what he did to Grozny and is continuing to do to Georgia and Ukraine.

Somehow I don't think the same standards will apply.


geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
26. That and there's no evidence Nuland committed a crime.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:42 PM
Jul 2015

Parry's tinfoil gibberish notwithstanding.



(16,184 posts)
31. Surely you guys have something you'd want her charged with.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:46 PM
Jul 2015

Something that fits as a war crime under international law.

And no, saying not-nice things about the EU is not a war crime.



(16,974 posts)
28. Are you fine with Putin
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:46 PM
Jul 2015

Moving the border markers two more kilometers into the sovereign country of Georgia?


(20,582 posts)
51. Hey!
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 07:20 PM
Jul 2015

It's kind of funny (not considering all the human misery and destruction this has caused) to know that we 'pootie-lovers!' were right all along (actually, it just took a bit of good old common *'ing sense and knowing a bit about the players and their history - nothing difficult about it, as it's happened over and over so many times).


(7,208 posts)
39. I feel sorry about Yanukovych too.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 09:24 PM
Jul 2015

People's champion he was.

Where does one even start with this pile?



(1,967 posts)
42. She is a PNAC neocon
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:46 AM
Jul 2015

Obama should have never appointed her to anything. She should be retired with the rest of them. They were wrong about the Iraq war, and they are wrong about this.


(20,582 posts)
43. Kick for Parry and truth.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:16 AM
Jul 2015

As sad as it may be for the 'usual suspects' to read. (I dislike that smiley intensely ......... but you know).


'A Pootie-patootie lover'!

Great article! I'm amazed that anyone still denies all of this.


(9,387 posts)
47. Victoria Nuland needs to be unceremoniously removed from her position.
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jul 2015

Thanks for this information on Victoria Nuland, DUer FlatBaroque. She has operated under the mainstream radar for far too long.

NYT Still Pretends No Coup in Ukraine, by Robert Parry, January 6, 2015

Exclusive: The New York Times keeps insisting that last year’s Ukrainian coup wasn’t a coup and anyone who thinks so lives inside “the Russian propaganda bubble.” But a slanted Times “investigation” shows that the newspaper remains lost inside the U.S. government’s “propaganda bubble,” writes Robert Parry.

Yanukovych wanted more time for the EU negotiations, but his decision angered many western Ukrainians who saw their future more attached to Europe than Russia. Tens of thousands of protesters began camping out at Maidan Square in Kiev, with Yanukovych ordering the police to show restraint.

Meanwhile, with Yanukovych shifting back toward Russia, which was offering a more generous $15 billion loan and discounted natural gas, he soon became the target of American neocons and the U.S. media, which portrayed Ukraine’s political unrest as a black-and-white case of a brutal and corrupt Yanukovych opposed by a saintly “pro-democracy” movement.

The Maidan uprising was urged on by American neocons, including Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland, who passed out cookies at the Maidan and told Ukrainian business leaders that the United States had invested $5 billion in their “European aspirations.”

In the weeks before the coup, according to an intercepted phone call, Nuland discussed with U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt who should lead the future regime. Nuland said her choice was Arseniy Yatsenyuk. “Yats is the guy,” she told Pyatt as he pondered how to “midwife this thing.”

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call, BBC, 7 February 2014

Very interesting.

Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt together toured the opposition camp in Kiev in December

With much attention upon Greece right now, this piece over at Naked Capitalism caught my attention, for its similarities with what went down in the Ukraine last year:

Nuland’s Nemesis: Will Greece Be Destroyed to Save Her From Russia, Like Ukraine?

Yves Smith sets up a piece by John Helmer, who is

..... the longest continuously serving foreign correspondent in Russia, and the only western journalist to direct his own bureau independent of single national or commercial ties. Helmer has also been a professor of political science, and an advisor to government heads in Greece, the United States, and Asia. He is the first and only member of a US presidential administration (Jimmy Carter) to establish himself in Russia. Originally published at Dances with Bears


....A putsch in Athens to save allied Greece from enemy Russia is in preparation by the US and Germany, with backing from the non-taxpayers of Greece – the Greek oligarchs, Anglo-Greek shipowners, and the Greek Church. At the highest and lowest level of Greek government, and from Thessaloniki to Milvorni, all Greeks understand what is happening. Yesterday they voted overwhelmingly to resist. According to a high political figure in Athens, a 40-year veteran, “what is actually happening is a slow process of regime change.”

Until Sunday afternoon it was a close-run thing. The Yes and No votes were equally balanced, and the margin between them razor thin. At the start of the morning, Rupert Murdoch’s London Times claimed “Greek security forces have drawn up a secret plan to deploy the army alongside special riot police to contain possible civil unrest after today’s referendum on the country’s future in Europe. Codenamed Nemesis, it makes provision for troops to patrol large cities if there is widespread and prolonged public disorder. Details of the plan emerged as polls showed the ‘yes’ and ‘no’ camps neck and neck.” Greek officers don’t speak to the Murdoch press; British and US government agents do.

“It was neck to neck until 3 pm,” reports the political veteran in Athens, “then the young started voting. “

The Kremlin understands too. So when the State Department’s Victoria Nuland (nee Nudelman; lead image, right) visited Athens to issue an ultimatum against breaking the anti-Russian sanctions regime, and the Anglo-American think-tanks followed with warnings the Russian Navy is about to sail into Piraeus, the object of the game has been clear. The line for Operation Nemesis has been that Greece must be saved, not from itself or from its creditors, but from the enemy in Moscow. The Russian line has been to do nothing to give credence to that propaganda; to wait and to watch.

As the head of State’s Bureau of European and Eurasian affairs, Nuland is the official in charge of warmaking in Europe. Her record in the Ukraine has been documented here. Almost unnoticed, she was in Athens on March 17 to deliver two ultimatums. The communique released by the US Embassy in Athens was headlined, “we want to see prosperity and growth in Greece.”

She told Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras (right) not to break ranks with the NATO allies against Russia. “Because of the increasing rounds of aggression in eastern Ukraine” she reportedly said the US is “very gratified that we’ve had solidarity between the EU and the U.S., and that Greece has played its role in helping to build consensus.”

Nuland also warned Tsipras not to default on its debts to Germany, the European Central Bank, and the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Tsipras was told “to make a good deal with the institutions”. The referendum Tsipras called on June 27 was a surprise for Nuland. The nemesis in Operation Nemesis is the retribution planned for that display of Greek hubris.

Having thundered for a year on the illegitimacy of the March 2014 referendum in Crimea, saying yes to accession to Russia, the State Department ignored the Greek referendum for forty-eight hours. On June 29, asked what the US government was thinking of doing if the outcome “is a no vote”, Nuland’s spokesman, Mark Toner, said the US would ignore it. “We’re focused on, frankly, the opposite, which is finding a path forward that allows Greece to continue to make reforms, return to growth, and remain in the Eurozone.”

Nuland is probably baking up some more of her cookies.

Parry had another piece on Nuland from several months back, that is quite illuminating:

Victoria Nuland and Robert Kagan: A Family Business of Perpetual War, March 20, 2015

Victoria Nuland and Robert Kagan have a great mom-and-pop business going. From the State Department, she generates wars and – from op-ed pages – he demands Congress buy more weapons. There’s a pay-off, too, as grateful military contractors kick in money to think tanks where other Kagans work, writes Robert Parry.


Neoconservative pundit Robert Kagan and his wife, Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, run a remarkable family business: she has sparked a hot war in Ukraine and helped launch Cold War II with Russia – and he steps in to demand that Congress jack up military spending so America can meet these new security threats.

This extraordinary husband-and-wife duo makes quite a one-two punch for the Military-Industrial Complex, an inside-outside team that creates the need for more military spending, applies political pressure to ensure higher appropriations, and watches as thankful weapons manufacturers lavish grants on like-minded hawkish Washington think tanks.

Not only does the broader community of neoconservatives stand to benefit but so do other members of the Kagan clan, including Robert’s brother Frederick at the American Enterprise Institute and his wife Kimberly, who runs her own shop called the Institute for the Study of War.

Robert Kagan, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution (which doesn’t disclose details on its funders), used his prized perch on the Washington Post’s op-ed page on Friday to bait Republicans into abandoning the sequester caps limiting the Pentagon’s budget, which he calculated at about $523 billion (apparently not counting extra war spending). Kagan called on the GOP legislators to add at least $38 billion and preferably more like $54 billion to $117 billion:

This nest of operatives should have been cleaned out from the administration long ago. As long as this group of people makes it their unyielding mission to perpetuate war throughout the world, there will be neither peace nor justice.


(55,745 posts)
49. Now THAT is journalism. A real lesson in history, too.
Wed Jul 15, 2015, 05:39 PM
Jul 2015

Thank you, seafan! Every word truth.

For those wondering why PNAC is a big deal: Your future. It got mortgaged for wars without end for profits without cease.

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