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bravenak
(34,648 posts)And to all those crybabies who whine that their guy/gal marched with Dr. king or marched in a protest or blah blah blahed, read my sigline.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)The man has a track record. You can ignore it if you wish, but you're not going to bury history.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We are living, breathing civil right protests in human form. Every day of our lives is a fight against racism, we do it all day everyday, just by being in this skin. When people do that lecturing, it's a fucking turn off to black folks, so I would say stop that shit if you want to grow support in our community.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)because I can't unless I'm you.
But I hope you believe I empathize.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I was just about to do a paranoid edit when I saw you understood. 
freshwest
(53,661 posts)
mmonk
(52,589 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)You are being paternalistic and patronizing to me.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Where has it been that Sanders is not sympathetic? He mentions the very issue in his speeches. I get disruption to further a just cause. That is something you deny me that which is part of my being and claim I wouldn't understand as justification which contains patronization and lecturing in itself. I nor Sanders are the enemy nor are we tone deaf.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Martin O'Malley got heckled too and he still met with the group face to face. Bernie could not be bothered. He goes in the pile with Hillary in my mind. That is my do or die issue. I did not like how he handled it at all. Even worse is the Miss Millie syndrome from his supporters.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)I understand that is your do or die issue. I understand why since police power is out of control due to institutional racism and a dark history. But in creating a bridge to fix the issue, don't burn it first. We cannot be divided through assumptions at this time in history. We, unlike the corporations and the right, do not benefit through division to achieve our goals. Have a nice rest of the weekend.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It is his job as a candidate to make us feel included and like our voices matter. That did not help. It took me aback and changed my mind. It's up to him to bring me in, not the other way around. He is not the oppressed, we are. He was supposed to empathize and listen and invite them in to the fold. He turned his back and walked away.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)OMG, that was tone deaf to the moment.
I have to say that's the first time I'm genuinely disappointed in Bernie and think he missed an important opportunity. His advisers/handlers also messed up here.
I've been a huge Bernie supporter (seeing no other viable options). It's going to be hard to figure out where to go if all the white candidates persist in being obtuse.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am hoping that he sees how terrible this can be and tries to reach out. Now with BernieSoBlack he finally got noticed by black people but not in a good way at all.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)Hope an intern noticed that. 
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's funny and kinda mean and it's black twitter, so... Yeah. Not good. I posted an op in GD.
One was funny, BernieSoBlack that Hillary fakes HIS accent. You have to see for yourself. I admit, I laughed and laughed. But I'm the type to watch World Star Videos...
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)Still trying to find out if Bernie is doing anything to show he's catching up on this movement.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's sunday, nothing gonna happen today. I hope he takes time to reflect and make plans.
marym625
(17,997 posts)He didn't cancel. He had always had his rep going because he had a huge rally in just a few hours. His rep did go to the meeting.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)still_one
(98,883 posts)personnel experiences, just as you are expressing your opinion based on your personal experiences.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was explaining the sentiments behind my sigline.
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sheshe2
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bravenak
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cui bono
(19,926 posts)The vitriol on here towards Sanders is unbelievable. Of all the candidates he's probably the one who's fought for racial equality the most.
I sure don't hear much complaining about HRC's race baiting campaign history. Why is she getting a pass?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Hillary isn't 'getting a pass' either here or there. If she'd been at NN, she would have had to deal with the same protestors as the other two candidates who did show up.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Why did you write guy/gal then say "read my sigline" which is about Sanders? If you're going to insult people at least do it honestly. We all know you are talking about Bernie supporters.
No one is being a crybaby or whining when they bring up Sanders' track record. That is what a supporter does, talk about their candidate's record. He has a stellar record of working for social justice yet on DU one would think he was the one who ran the racist campaign in 2008. Funny, that doesn't keep getting brought up by the same people so concerned about Bernie. Nor did those same people bring up how white Hillary's crowds were in the same states where Bernie's were. In the sarcastic copy cat OP about it people were rightfully explaining it as the state's demographic make up, which is the same reason it was like that for Bernie. And yet it's non-stop about Bernie on here, but not a peep about it when the same thing happens with HRC.
I'm sure you will agree that PoC are not a monolith. There is disagreement here on DU between PoC about this issue but there seems to be a loud group who are really attacking Sanders about this. If it were a genuine concern and not a talking point it would be brought up differently and wouldn't have to have OPs that are lies written about it. But the way it is being brought up seems to be with the intent of making him look like he is at worst a racist (Not Enough, Bernie) and and at best tone deaf (the OP that lied about him saying racism was over). He is neither and his record reflects that. The fact that his record is being completely ignored when these concerns are brought up is why you hear people stating it so often. In fact, it is not only being ignored, it is being dismissed. As if because someone got arrested in the 60's for fighting for civil rights means nothing because it was so long ago. On the contrary, it means so much more because it shows just how dedicated Sanders is to social justice that he would do that at that time and continue the fight for so many decades. But here on DU it gets dismissed as, friggin' decades ago.
It would be one thing if people were just saying the messaging could be better since they know he has the track record, but that's not what's being said at all. And now you are even complaining that people bring up that track record. Then I guess we should just not talk about any of the candidates at all.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Because people keep on lecturing us black folks on who marched with Dr King and shit like we give a fuck. We don't. It's paternalistic and fucking rude, like Miss Millie from the color purple. We have enough to deal with without rude and unnecessary admonishments from white people that we should support who they like just because that person marched with Dr. King or voted for Obama or whatever it is. It's annoying, rude, infantilizing, patronizing and paternalistic. It has gotten to the point today that I decided to unsupport Bernie and just not give a fuck about the Primaries.
This is how I feel in times like this. Like Sofia.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-AFGJu44JthY42/the_color_purple_1985_mrs_millie_is_hysterical/
Now, the crybabies are the one running around here with their hair on fire screaming invectives at the very idea that BLM would heckle Bernie after ALL HE'S DONE FOR THOSE PEOPLE. It seriously has made me sick to me stomach. Reading GD as a black person is literally hell right now. Hell. Not a shread of empathy for us in here.
We do not give a care about fifty years aho when we are dying and in orison right niw. Best way to handle it would be to acknowkedge the pain of the orotestor and to engage with them and ask what one can do to help, to invite them in, make friends out of them. I feel totally hurt by the way the BLM protestors have been excoriated by white liberals today. I have taken it personally and am done.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)He hasn't stopped.
You are allowing your feelings about anonymous internet posters to affect a decision that they should not have the power to affect. Support who you want, but when you dismiss 50 years of Sanders having working for social justice as you just did you are going to get push back.
As to the Netroots issue, I haven't really looked into it so I can't address it. I know Code Pink gets a lot of flak for doing the same thing, so it seems there are going to be those who agree and who disagree with that tactic.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The fact that he canceled the meeting with Black Lives Matter is why he lost my vote. I am not ignoring his record which is why I was supporting him until today. In fact I feel sorry that I will not be supporting him at this time.
Here is what I have to say about the issue of his record. It is being used as a cudgel AGAINST black posters on this site by some Bernie supporters. Their use of it has the opposite effect than it should be intended to have. They keep calling black voters 'low information', act abusively, and I have even had some pretend that my words are incomprehensible. If Bernie wants black support then he has to go ask for it directly, not just rely on his record. We are funny like that.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)on the campaign trail now as well. People have to keep bringing up his record because it is being completely ignored by those who seem to really want to paint him as ignoring PoC. Just as you said above that you don't care what he did 50 years ago... why the hell not? And by saying it as you did you dismissed everything else he's done since then as if he ONLY did something 50 years ago. Bernie supporters feel the need to correct that. We're funny like that.
I agree that Bernie could be more vocal about the issues and speak more directly to your demographic, but that's not how the concern is being expressed here. Here there seems to be a concerted effort to paint him as a racist (Not Enough, Bernie) or as tone deaf (the OP that lied about him having said racism is over). When OPs like that are posted and left standing and rec'd do you really think his supporters aren't going to point out the truth and use facts like his record to prove it?
Way past my bed time... so I cannot continue this tonight... sleep well bravenak, I understand you are frustrated, but please understand it goes both ways. And by that I am not equating the racism that runs rampant in this country to the smears against Bernie, but just meaning it in terms of the frustration of the discussions here on DU.
jfern
(5,204 posts)With people that just shouted him down and didn't listen to what he said and attacked him.
Cha
(316,394 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Bernie is historic, read your posts since he's become a candidate .
bravenak
(34,648 posts)My comments about Bernie since he has become a candidate have been fair and honest. I have said over and over and over that he needs to get black people on his campaign and to talk to us face to face and that his message is falling flat.
My anger for Bernie is historic? What does that even mean?
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jwirr
(39,215 posts)is a mixed race family - yet I am white so I must not care and I must not support the protestors. What is happening here is that the racists behind the hate are winning the war because our forces have just been divided.
We are no longer fighting the real enemy we are fighting ourselves.
What I am hearing from you is that you do not want my support because it started with Dr. King.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It really is a struggle to be me. I never said you did not care about the protestors. I was referring to posters who pissed me off yesterday and gave me a full dose of paternalistic patronizing that I have never experienced in my life.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)this world I love the most are POC and I for one am damned glad they are. My world would be empty without them.
As to not having it as hard as you - I completely agree. I can take advantage of being white by just walking away from my family.
But on one issue we are both having the same trouble. When my grandchildren and great grandchildren walk out the door I fear for them. Police violence effects my family also. So far none of mine have been killed but several have been in jail and one committed suicide rather than go to jail.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)This isn't an issue that should divide us Hillary from Sanders from O'Malley.
What I want to see, what I hope to see, is a commitment, a promise a plan from all three candidates with one united, undivided purpose to set out to truly achieve equal justice for all. I want it to become a centerpiece of this election season that we will stand for the unjustified oppression, incarceration and murder of our black brothers and sisters no more. Not any more. I want the Democratic party to stand for this without trying to outshine each other with "I want equality more than you do" bullshit distractions.
That's what I want.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I want to see them all make a commitment too. I think they will.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)bravenak
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lostnfound
(17,380 posts)People haven't even heard of him yet. and when the first thing they hear is that BLM movement is pissed at him, they will be turned off.
That's fine. You've decided to unsupport him. I personally haven't sent in a donation yet but was considering it. On the other hand, the hopelessness of the American political scene is so massive that I am now thinking I should just keep that money in my own hands, better yet in the stock market, where it can grow rapidly when the next corporatist president gets elected.
It's just easier to stop caring.
It's kind of hard to stop caring about all of these black people getting killed by cops though. Each time I feel so angry and sick to my stomach. Better for my health to stop watching / reading the news, too.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I will take the candidate that truly address this issue.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
Romulox
(25,960 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Not. You are not black. You cannot own the black civil rights movement more than I. I am a living breathing civil rightps movement in my own right. Every day in my skin is a battle against the forces of white supremacy. Ever car ride is taking a chance for me. i own it more than you. Period.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Romulox
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boston bean
(36,839 posts)And they wonder why you may have reconsidered support?
I have no issue with Bernie supporters and can even understand why they support him.
But the absolute privilege they show in their writings, makes me want to scream.
Take care, and best of luck, no matter who you end up supporting.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
I mean, why is he so mean to me? Thank you for the best wishes. I'll decide carefully from here on out.
boston bean
(36,839 posts)For real, to talk to someone like he did to you, shows a bias deep down inside.. you know the kind of thing you want addressed.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Something is seriously wrong. Next he'll tell women they don't own the women's rights movement. Men do. I do not understand this place sometimes.
boston bean
(36,839 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)boston bean
(36,839 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)boston bean
(36,839 posts)No, I'm not hurt about it.
You want me to be hurt about it?
Romulox
(25,960 posts)based on hurt feelings in another thread of yours that was locked minutes earlier (you just forgot!). 
boston bean
(36,839 posts)It was nothing new.
And your type of posting to me is par for the course.
So, no my feelings were not hurt. It's part of my daily life here on DU.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)boston bean
(36,839 posts)whatever floats your boat, I guess.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)boston bean
(36,839 posts)That's the truth of my feelings.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Oh, and "You seem to be weirdly pre-occupied with me."
boston bean
(36,839 posts)(if that's ok with you) to respond.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)boston bean
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brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Public figures campaigning for President, such as O'Malley and Sanders, risk being heckled in public (as they both were the other day).
Anonymous internet posters hiding in their comfortable anonymous locations are not "heckled". They suffer no real consequences in the real world for the stupid things they post -- such as advocating violent race riots over the democratic process.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)And I don't care if that addition gets me a hide.
The racism is thick and heavy on DU lately, with all the White crybabies feeling personally attacked when systemic racism is pointed out, and when people try to inform about Black issues and concerns. It's downright nauseating to see how many so-called liberals, progressives, and lefties are more concerned with the words and tone Black Americans are using when they literally shout for their very lives, than they care about the fact that, you know, Black Americans are being murdered by the nation's cops. It's downright contemptible, and it makes me disgusted.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Romulox
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zappaman
(20,627 posts)Wish I could REC a response.
JustAnotherGen
(37,475 posts)
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Unreal!
JustAnotherGen
(37,475 posts)Not ALL people who are angry with this BLM movement are in this 'group' but -
Search the most vocal in their anger. Just go back 5 days.
See if you can find a post by them to a Sandra Bland thread.
Understand -
This action by a group of black young people (I really look at them like an OWS - influence the conversation but no results will be tied to them) is far worse - MUCH worse -
Than that woman's death. See, if you don't say or write something -It appears you don't care. It's not a 'given' that any of these folks care about that loss of life.
And so that is the mindset you are dealing with. I read and responded to a post yesterday by a woman at DU who was proud of sending a message to the BLM leadership stating why they were wrong. That's all - why they were wrong.
I'd bet - she hasn't signed Steve leser's petition.
She hasn't given five bucks to a funeral fund for Sandra.
She has not reached out to the justice department, FBI, or Federal Marshalls on Sandra's behalf.
She has not - hell - sent a tweet or email to Sandra's family . .
If she did - she's not proud of it - right? I'm gonna say - she didn't.
And that's the mentality we are dealing with.
Protest that will go the way of OWS - disruption at NRN (which has always appeared very free and flowing to me) - of two candidates -
Was the absolute WORST thing that happened to an American last week. The worst! That is the REAL wrong! It's like - one step short of assassination.
^^^^^^ Okay - waaaaaaaaaay over the top^^^^^^ 
- but a lot of these responses have been over the top. TM99(sp?) is one of the few people that nails it - she's torn over this. I think she is the right person to reach out to BLM and ask the question. See her posts down thread - I'm not being snarky there.
I think someone calm, level headed and that 'looks like them' can broach the subject - "So what do you guys do now? Because another black woman just died in custody last week."
Lilith Rising
(184 posts)I mean are you seriously saying that?
Talk about patronizing...
Romulox
(25,960 posts)
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Sorry Bravenak had to deal with that.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Where precisely, was possession directly implied? Or was your translation (predicated on faulty inference) made merely for the sake of ethical convenience on your part so as to allow yourself the leturn to lecture others?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)of us went.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The point is, pointing out that a person marched with Dr King does not help with black voters today, especially when it is used as a weapon AGAINST black people by white people. It's paternalistic, like saying 'look all all he's done for you people!'
It is insulting to be told over and over that you should support this person 'he marched for your rights!' I wish it would stop. It is talking down to us and it makes us feel like people think we owe something because a guy marched with King. We have enough burdens. We don't need to be lectured and beat up with that stuff. We fight for our own right everyday. Everyday is a struggle, rich or poor. Get stopped by the wrong cop: dead.
Bernie needs to hire some black people to tell him how to increase his support. He needs to go to black churches and talk to black people directly.
The way you just came at me made me feel like your support is contingent upon me behaving myself to your standards or something. Like an 'after all i've done for you people'. Hurtful. Like people think we are biting the hand that feeds us, like stray dogs.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Much of what was won back then is being lost now. Even the voting rights. For me when I mention Bernie's civil rights issues I know that it has continued throughout his history. But mostly I mention it in contrast to Hillary. To me her history is all tied up in what is happening today in the black community - the mass incarceration of black people and POC stems from legislation she supported, the war on drugs etc. It baffles me why anyone would support her.
I think you are right regarding the need to visit a black church and hire a black staff member like Hillary did. But isn't that in itself patronizing? It always infuriates me when a candidate visits a reservation. To hell with a visit to ONE reservation - tell us what you are going to do for us.
Somewhere on another post I said that the BLM protests in Ferguson MO were handled perfectly - non-violence like it was supposed to be done. In the same post I talked about the protest last night. It looks to me that the group is working to keep the issue in the public. And that is good. But I just do not think this was a good way. We are supporters not enemies. I am not sure how to keep the issue front and center but unfortunately it resulted in the war we see going on here now. It is not the misbehaving that I object to - misbehaving has always been the main part of a protest. What I am trying to say is that this particular event did not work as it was planned.
BTW Bravenack I hear your anger and your hurt. I am sorry.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I think how things turn out depends on how the candidate handles this situation in the aftermath. And I don't really think hiring black staffer will be considered patronizing, it is necessary to do in order to hear issues from a black perspective. And it makes us feel better to know that opportunities are given to people of color. If a candidate is talking about black unemplyment, it might be a good idea to show that it's not just words by actually offering emplyment to black people. Also; a black staffer could have warned him about this weeks ago, it was nevef a secret on black twitter that BLM would be at netroots, any reasonably intelligent black staffer would hafe advised him to meet with them before hand and let him know what to expect.
The reason I have been repeating myself lately saying he needs to hire black peopke is because I could feel this coming a mile off. There has been talk in the black media of Bernie not coming face to face with black people enough and not being empathetic. I think there is a chance for him to excell and earn black votes, but he has to go to them, they won't come to him. Barack Obama had a similar, yet different problem getting black support. It's hard. There is a lack of trust.
I accept your apology, thank you.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)visit to a reservation. A lot different. My grand daughter works for President Obama as an advisor on Indian Health issues. What you are suggesting is not any different.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and have been saying so all day.
I've also been saying "I really think Team Bernie needs to bone up on the cops murdering
blacks epidemic, and address it forcefully and passionately, just as he is doing
with economic justice. It doesn't fly to just talk about jobs & 1%."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=26507
This goes for O'Malley and Clinton too, but I'm not supporting them. Never-the-less,
I think Democratic candidates should ALL have a strong policy position, with specifics,
as to how we are going to address this epidemic of killer-cops murdering black people,
These cops must be called out and prosecuted as murderers, plain and simple.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)We need real reform in the DOJ, they all have plans but really at this point they need to say her name, they need to address these specific incidents.
And I get it, these aren't even probably happening "more frequently" but social media has SURE changed our awareness and the way react/respond to them.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Please, Bernie people (those formally working for him) - LISTEN!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I look forward to Bernie continuing to call attention to, and address, the
cops killing blacks epidemic. I'm so impressed that Bernie took the heat
of those awkward moments when he was unexpectedly shouted down by
BLM peeps, and within 24 hours acknowledged in a substantial way that
he heard them, and is going to be that kind of President, one who really
listens and acts, when elected POTUS.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)That's better than most of "them."
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)I'm getting two different stories about whether Bernie acknowledged and followed up or whether he blew them off...
If it's the latter, it will be the first time I'm disappointed with Bernie, and I'm planning to write a letter to tell him so after confirming that's what happened.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)cannot find it, and my search skills are pretty good, they have to... nature of the job.
malaise
(292,125 posts)That simple
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Has she addressed the issue other than "all lives matter"?
When Bernie talks about better education and job opportunities for black youth, and reform of police departments all over the country so black people can walk the streets in safety; is Hillary going to talk about "hard working white people"?
I get it that BLM is angry...much of the country is angry. But they don't help their cause by disrupting and shouting down willing allies. If they can't have constructive dialog, then the country is going to tune them out no matter how loud they are.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Is patronizing.
They don't have time to talk, watch the videos...
No talking just shooting.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)They decided to disrupt the forum instead. Are they really seeking a solution, or just wanting to be on camera?
It seems a NRN employee knew in advance of the planned disruption, if not set it up. That's low class behavior, though both candidates handled the trainwreck diplomatically.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)and again...
Shall I get you a shovel so you can keep digging? I mean come on?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I'll leave it up.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)What about the people who were there to hear the candidates? Think BLM scored any points from them?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Either way "low class" is probably not how I'd describe it.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Knew ahead of time about the planned disruption, and bragged about it in advance on Twitter
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251456257
Basically, it was an ambush and a fraud.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Thanks for the link.
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1. Pinned Tweet Elon James White @elonjames Mar 13 Why "Black on Black" crime is nonsense and you should never use it to argue about police brutality. ?t=4m56s … #TWIBnation 11:14 AM - 13 Mar 2015 · Details Elon James White @elonjames now19 seconds ago Elon James White retweeted Cultured State Your facts are inconvenient. https://twitter.com/culturedstate/status/622651276699025408 … Elon James White added, Cultured State @culturedstate @elonjames But what if he's not elected? Then what do we wait for? That's why that fails. Elon James White @elonjames now51 seconds ago Elon James White retweeted beth hurley Well @BernieSanders asked to meet with me today. And then didn't show up. So there's that. https://twitter.com/sdbeth/status/622651204359712768 … Elon James White added, beth hurley @sdbeth @elonjames he seems to need some advisors on this issue. I wonder if he'd meet with you? Elon James White @elonjames 2m2 minutes ago Elon James White retweeted Chance I like that it's Black folks fault if a Republican wins, and not the democrats for failing to win our vote. https://twitter.com/chanceencounter/status/622651105827291137 … Elon James White added, Chance @ChanceEncounter @elonjames Well have fun with that attitude when yet another Bush is sitting in the White House. Black lives mean less than nothing to him. Elon James White @elonjames 5m5 minutes ago Elon James White retweeted Cole2028 Then maybe democratic candidates should, I dunno, #EarnThisDamnVoteOrLose. https://twitter.com/oldcaesarcole/status/622650919436455937 … Elon James White added, Cole2028 @OldCaesarCole @elonjames dividing on things like this will lead to a nut job like Trump in office. 1. Elon James White @elonjames 19m19 minutes ago Elon James White retweeted Kimberly Skipper Yeah. It's Black folks fault that Sanders is handling this baldy and that his supporters are being dicks. https://twitter.com/kdskipper/status/622649016925290496 … Elon James White added, Kimberly Skipper @kdskipper @elonjames Our people are very passionate which can be good. But sometimes it impedes progress. Sanders could be a future ally if allowed in 3. Elon James White retweeted Weeping Angel @redforkhippie 12m12 minutes ago @elonjames "Future ally" -- is that one of those things people say when they're too polite to use the phrase "useless as tits on a boar"? 11:14 PM - 18 Jul 2015 · Details 6. Txnewsprincess @txnewsprincess 7m7 minutes ago @redforkhippie @elonjames present ally = candidate willing to stand up now. Future ally = a little cowardly Elon James White @elonjames 6m6 minutes ago Elon James White retweeted Alameda Mark Be open to the fact that he needs to address what's being asked about. #EarnThisDamnVoteOrLose https://twitter.com/alamedamark/status/622650617060659200 … Elon James White added, Alameda Mark @alamedamark @elonjames Be open to his ideas, his policies will help people of color tremendously, he's looking to disrupt the system that's biased. Elon James White @elonjames 8m8 minutes ago Elon James White retweeted Kimberly Skipper Keep making excuses. https://twitter.com/kdskipper/status/622650442221105152 … Elon James White added, Kimberly Skipper @kdskipper @elonjames No. Just saying he prob is the only candidate right now that could be a real ally in office. We have to see long term picture. 11. Elon James White retweeted MB @SugarcubeDog 14m14 minutes ago @elonjames I don't get these people! Wait until he's elected? Um, no. That protest was great. Elon James White @elonjames 12m12 minutes ago Elon James White retweeted Cole2028 Yes it does. https://twitter.com/oldcaesarcole/status/622650127728033792 … Elon James White added, Cole2028 @OldCaesarCole @elonjames yes, black rights are important and need addressed, but a "weak" stance on that doesn't negate his boisterous one on many others Elon James White @elonjames 13m13 minutes ago Elon James White retweeted Cole2028 #EarnThisDamnVoteOrLose #NN15 https://twitter.com/oldcaesarcole/status/622649790308810753 … Elon James White added, Cole2028 @OldCaesarCole @elonjames Bernie is easily the best candidate in 2016. Opposing his candidacy for not being vocal enough on one issue? Elon James White @elonjames 13m13 minutes ago Elon James White retweeted Kimberly Skipper How about "No." https://twitter.com/kdskipper/status/622649708045996036 … Elon James White added, Kimberly Skipper @kdskipper @elonjames But he can't help BLM agendas much if he's not elected. It took PBO late into 2nd term to address BLM issues. Ease up #NN15 Elon James White @elonjames 14m14 minutes ago Elon James White retweeted Drew Emmick #TWIBnation https://twitter.com/drewmellow/status/622649473613692928 … Elon James White added, Drew Emmick @drewmellow @elonjames your segment on #twib discussing sanders prepared me for today. thank you for always keeping me informed and my eyes open. Elon James White @elonjames 14m14 minutes ago Elon James White retweeted Cyril Black I'm currently at the Downtown Sheraton Lounge. I will accept all donations. #NN15 https://twitter.com/sportssexsneaks/status/622649451782475776 … Elon James White added, Cyril Black @SportsSexSneaks Has anyone given @elonjames Scotch? Go get the man some damn scotch then! Lol Elon James White @elonjames 17m17 minutes ago Elon James White retweeted Kimberly Skipper Yeah. It's Black folks fault that Sanders is handling this baldy and that his supporters are being dicks. https://twitter.com/kdskipper/status/622649016925290496 … Elon James White added, Kimberly Skipper @kdskipper @elonjames Our people are very passionate which can be good. But sometimes it impedes progress. Sanders could be a future ally if allowed in Elon James White @elonjames 18m18 minutes ago Elon James White retweeted CynnyB #EarnThisDamnVoteOrLose #NN15 https://twitter.com/cynnyb/status/622648784074334208 … Elon James White added, CynnyB @CynnyB @elonjames Bernie Sanders doesn't want to lose any support from white folks but doesn't realize he can't win without black folks vote Elon James White @elonjames 21m21 minutes ago Elon James White retweeted JonathanDanielBrown No really. You're a fucking idiot. https://twitter.com/jonathandbrown/status/622647745359187970 … Elon James White added, JonathanDanielBrown @JonathanDBrown @elonjames And you don't like Jews. It's okay. Just be honest about it. 29. Elon James White retweeted stand4racialjustice @ssartmom 24m24 minutes ago stand4racialjustice retweeted Elon James White #BlackLivesMatter a gazillion more times than fragile white feelings. https://twitter.com/elonjames/status/622594962647990272 … stand4racialjustice added, Elon James White @elonjames If calling out bullshit makes White Progressives Republicans, then how progressive were there really? https://twitter.com/wallachang/status/622533962049683458 … 31. Elon James White retweeted Stronger Math @Sneffleupagus 25m25 minutes ago @Marmel @elonjames NyTimes too, but the characterization of "hecklers" though... I can't with these people. 33. Elon James White retweeted Empress Sudol @EmpressSudol 25m25 minutes ago @elonjames Uuuuuugh!!! I'm the grandchild of a holocaust survivor and child of an immigrant too! And guess what? I DON'T USE THEM AS EXCUSES Elon James White @elonjames 24m24 minutes ago Elon James White retweeted 360 Richardson But we sleep doe... #NN15 https://twitter.com/sankaraguitara/status/622647481998807045 … Elon James White added, 360 Richardson @SankaraGuitara #ironyalert "he marched with MLK & ...activists" but he walked away from the #BlackLivesMatter activists. OK.
https://twitter.com/elonjames/status/622645244186656768 …
https://twitter.com/elonjames
Sorry about no paragraphing to separate each tweet. I cut all of the 'block' messages and other such stuff that a copy and paste brings into documents on my old model desktop.
The numbers set by twitter's text program are what I cut out, but not any of the tweets. The closest thing to anything suggesting planning was one that said they were inspired by him. Not instructed, not told to make a disruption, or anything like that.
There are some uncalled slurs made to him, such as he hates Jews, wants a GOP POTUS, is dividing us, etc.
He's not doing anything IMO to protest at NN, and was not the instigator, and I don't think it was any harm for BLM to interrupt. It's time to end business as usual with POC.
The feed and the description of being ignored reminds me of the Ferguson city council meet up with the people from the community who didn't listen even when they'd waited in line patiently to speak. Some of the council was reading text messages, etc. as if there was no one there talking.
Other than Elon has a twitter account and people have read his tweets and responding, I find the charge it was a set up unlikely. Just being a member or a fan of BLM or discussing it on a twitter feed does not prove he is a disruptor. And as I said above, the 'business as usual' and 'wait your turn isn't working for POC. Their lives matter more than RROO, and they are sick of being shut out of the democratic process of this country, and only being allowed to yell since no one is listening. And told to shut up.
Now that is by 'progressives' who aren't doing what I believe a progressive or liberal does, listen to all sides with respect. If one believes that all people are created equal, one doesn't do that. Information and facts are supposed to be our strength.
But some 'progressives' are well off and don't have the difficulty getting heard POC do, so they can sit back and during this horror story that is black lives being taken, that has gone on in this country for century. It's time to make a proper forum for them to get their words out.
boston bean
(36,839 posts)And that is was BS and MO that should have been better prepared.
Read that somewhere over in GDP..
George II
(67,782 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)"White Progressives are gonna learn today. #SayHerName #NN15"
Tweeted in advance. He knew. It was a setup.
George II
(67,782 posts)....to learn about the positions of the candidates? You're reading a LOT into that one-liner.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)They brought the candidates in under the pretext of a "town hall meeting". It was a set up to give media attention to the protesters. OK, they got their 15 minutes of "fame"...but not all the attention is positive, they're driving a wedge between political allies, candidates will think twice before coming again, and NN has a black eye. Mission accomplished, I guess...
George II
(67,782 posts)...totally devoid of facts or evidence.
Maybe you've been talking with the person who "knows more than I do" and "it'll come out soon enough"?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)He knew there was a hijack coming. Your denial is just being silly and argumentative.
George II
(67,782 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Even me and I like him. Maybe Sanders needs to hire some black people to explain it to him. Read back through what you wrote and ask yourself if it is helpful to the debate and if you are turning potential black voters away with your attitude.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)What is gained? BLM had a one-on-one meeting scheduled with Sanders. They had the ear of a presidential candidate who's also a sitting senator, not to mention a willing ally. An ideal situation to discuss the problem and how to solve it, right? Bring it into the campaign debate on their terms. But no, they had to go and act like idiots. I hope more responsible and competent leadership for the cause is found.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I ask it everyday on DU.
And here we go again with the patronizing, geez dad.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We want the candafates to address racism through the lens of race not poverty. If he is an ally he will say Black lives Matter. If not he will bitch and moan about how much he has done for us people.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)You care to try your luck with republicans? I agree with BLMs cause 1000%, but am completely turned off by their tactics displayed at the forum. Even more disgusting is the complicity of NRNs Media Director. I can't take NRN seriously now.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)How is that helpful? Democrats are supposed to be the ones who give a shit. If black lives matter they matter no matter what, we do not see candidates saying enough about racism and the structural systematic abuse and white supremacy in this nation and it's systems. It don't matter whether we are rich or poor, smart or stupid, strong or weak, we are abused by this nation daily and jobs for youths won't do a damn thing to fix it. You're upset by this? Imagine how upset millions of black people are on a daily basis that their lives are worthless to America. Imagine that load on your shoulders and looking at your child knowing that they WILL be abused. If they are killed it will be their fault. That you even have to come up with a phrase like 'black lives matter' to try to convince your fellow man that you are human, not an animal. Of course your minor inconvenience of dealing with this terrible trauma of speech interruptions must be more significantly damaging to your psyche than the actual racism is to those protesters.
I'm feeling so bad for you right now. Tearing up.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...for some reason, then the only alternative is republicans. Good luck with them.
But back to Democrats. Apparently the Media Director of NRN knew in advance of the protest, and bragged in advance on Twitter that "white progressives are going to get what they deserve"...that's not a direct quote, but a paraphrase.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251456257
Now, "white progressives" are not responsible for a single black shooting, and are the most likely to sympathize with BLMs cause. Explain why they deserve anything? Between the 20 something candidates in the two parties, Sanders and O'Malley are the most progressive, the most willing to listen and understand, and the most willing to help. Why disrupt their events? I don't see the logic in BLMs tactics. Maybe they've just jumped the shark, and marginalized themselves into ridiculousness. That would be too bad.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This is your response? Like talking to a damn machine.
Read this post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6987658
The above mentioned post is the proper response to what I said to you.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I just think their tactics were disgusting and self-defeating. Comprende?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Probably not, huh? I bet you can guess very easily why I think that is.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I actually frown on all disruptions, but can understand although not quite justify, protesting at an orator you disagree with. That was simply not the case at Netrroots. Sanders is sympathetic with BLMs cause, he even spoke at length about police on black violence at his evening rally in Phoenix. BLM was just being rude, not productive.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Everybody is using the phrase Black lives Matter over and over. They brought alot of attention to the movement. Did Bernie cancel his meeting with them? I think he did. Dumb move if he did. If he cares about black folks and their votes he best be listening to what they have to say and incirporating it into his message. Else he will lose.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)They were screaming at the choir. And while their antics spurred a lively discussion on DU, I'd guess about 75% of the posters disapproved. I've not seen a single mention on my FB feed. All they accomplished was alienating their allies. Stupid move.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Cause my feed is going off the chain about it.
Here on DU there are probably fewer than 30 black folks and only about 15 that post regularly. Maybe that's why you see agreement with yourself everywhere.
Maybe they already feel alienated by the people they were yelling at because of the way tgey frame issues and don't really include their voice. Maybe it's up the caididate to be THEIR ally, not the other way around.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)<crickets>
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Mine has more than 10% white folks ( about half white and half non white) and I'm black. Maybe you need to branch out. I even have a few white conservatives that I never agree with.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)So it's on par. I'm probably a bit over on Latinos, as I've got a lot of friends in Carribean and South America. Probably a bit over on LBGT also.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I have FB friends I have never met in person. Since it's online. Maybe try reading Lipstick alley so you can get a feel for what black people are talking about and why I am saying what I am saying. I figured this would happen when all the black chat rooms were discussing the lack of black people around Bernie in this presidential campaign. Asking where he at? Why doesn't he come down and talk to black folks face to face instead of just talking police brutality and unemployment? Nobody seems to care about marches from 50 years ago or his voting record. They want to know why he doesn't come and speak to them like equals. He needs to do it or this will not stop happening. That's why Hillary takes herself to black churches and calls her black homegirls up to see what's going on. We knew in advance that BLM would be there. And we know what they do. Protest. Why didn't Bernie know? No black folks on his staff to tell him. That's a problem.
Even though I support his candidacy, his avoidance of face to face communications with regular black people is noticeable at this point. We don't want to be a throway line in a campain speech so that the speaker can get back to what matters to white folks. Too much fucked up shit is hapoening to black people to not go in deep if you want support. He could steal the support Hillary has by simply stopping and sitting down and making an effort to conciously reach out to people of color and having plenty of us around him. We-black people- still feel nervous in a room filled with white folks, we search out others who resemble us and try to sit near them. White people never really have to be anywhere where they are the minority. It is very uncomfortable for us.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Sanders had scheduled a meeting with them. They blew it. He'll find others to talk to.... I doubt BLM will.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)BLM will have plenty of people to talk to and Bernie will lose without black people. Period. Bank on that. Shooing BLM away like pesky flies will have all types of folks pissed off. But I guess black votes don't mattef and more black people support BLM than not, so getting in good with them would have been a come up for him. Talking with you has made me decide I'm undecided again. Thanks for that.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Sanders will talk to other AA activist groups about the issue. Take it to the bank. He just won't talk to those particular protesters. They may find someone else to talk to, but they won't get another chance to go face to face with a presidential candidate or sitting senator. Who would risk it?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And if he shuns these people others may shun him. Might be better to talk to the ones there and prove ge gas the chops to handle it. Or he can let his ego get in the way and shun them.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I point this out... but my feed is quite a bit multi cultural, black, white, gay straight, mexican, Mexican American, (there is a difference), we even have a few Puerto Ricans, and republican, democrat, green, independent, native american, specifically Kumeyaii. And you know how many mentions of this have been on my FB feed? A big fast ZERO.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Was there anyone unaware we were at war with Iraq? Are we fully out? Were Bush, Cheney, Rummy, and Condi ever prosecuted? CP accomplished nothing with their tactics. Same with BLM. They jumped the shark.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I think that the shift in sentiment in this nation in the intervening years has shown that fewer folks approve of that war, and I think it was in part, things like Code Pink shouting at Condi. I know it make me think.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)They thought that WMD's were found in Iraq. I know of several people who still believe it.
jfern
(5,204 posts)How can you possibly say he didn't give a shit? That's ridiculous. But I guess BLM would rather have a President who doesn't give a shit about them.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Response to bravenak (Reply #23)
nadinbrzezinski This message was self-deleted by its author.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--is so much better. (I know you haven't made up your mind yet.) And yes, sanders does need to hire more people of color.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)1939
(1,683 posts)Just like the core group in President Obama's campaign (and administration) were Chicagoans (both black and white), the core group in Sen Sanders' campaign staff are Vermonters (a state which has not been popular as a destination for A-A to live).
eridani
(51,907 posts)Name a time Sanders has ever used a dog whistle about race or anything else.
1939
(1,683 posts)Generally, a candidate's closest advisers and operatives are those who have been with him through the rise of his political career. Demographics would explain that Sen Sanders would not have a lot of minorities in his in group. Would you expect the maine legislature to have a lot of A-A members? Does the dearth of A-A members in the Maine or North Dakota legislatures a sign of racism or is more likely to be caused by demographics of the constituency?
Where have I accused the senator of "dog whistling"?
eridani
(51,907 posts)I find the candidate who has never done a dog whistle to be more trustworthy.
PatrickforO
(15,328 posts)That was NOT helpful to the debate. Yes those videos are sick. Yes, I'm angry too. Yes, black lives definitely matter.
My point is that to shout down someone who is an ally before they can even speak after lying to them about how the event would unfold isn't going to help. I guess, bottom line, is that I wouldn't do you that way. You want to talk about what the issues are and try and get me to help with solutions, fine. But you know, I sent an email to Netroot. They can count on me to:
NEVER give them a dime
NEVER support them in any way
Because they suck.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Or I bet there's lots who would volunteer.
I really think/hope this is fixable.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)As we are. One can hope.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Too many people on here are either allowing posts by DUers determine who they are supporting or just claiming that that is happening to diss the supporters. Anyone who allows anonymous internet posters determine who they will support is not using the proper criteria to pick a candidate.
Honestly - and if you search my posts for the terms "racism" and "white privilege" you will see my position/feelings on that - this vocal group on DU that keeps trying to 'smear' Sanders position on social justice by ignoring his vast record and pointing to a mostly white audience when he happens to be in a state with a mostly white demographic is alienating me. When one ignores the entirety of candidate's record on social justice because of optics one is simply being disingenuous to score political points.
Now before anyone flames away, I am totally on the side that there is white privilege and a hell of a lot of horrendous racism going on in this country. I get it. Like I said, search my posts. But that doesn't mean that I can't speak up and defend my candidate against these disingenuous attacks on his character and policy/stances/record. It's not just white people defending Bernie and thinking this is all talking points you know.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)That person does it all the way down too. Get's to the point where they start going on about how the protestors lost this big wonderful chance with Bernie, an opportunity to speak with his great and wonderful self by heckling him. I guess black lives matters is pretty much over now. After this opportunity was lost, they simply may not be able to go on.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And as I mentioned elsewhere, Code Pink gets that criticism all the time, a lot of it, on here. So BLM is getting some too. So what? People are going to disagree with how others should protest. When this sort of thing happened to Obama a lot of people though it was wrong.
It doesn't mean that people think that BLM isn't a worthy cause or that they are not bringing up valid points.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)view of her. I hated her surrogates and her supporters for their race baiting bullshit. I still cannot stand Hillary from the last campaign. Supporters can ruin a campaign if they are rude and patronizing. 'Vote for my guy or else you're an idiot!' is not a workable slogan. That's the vibe I get and it turns me off. I don't like to kick it with assholes for fun.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)is inextricably linked with social justice. What I'm getting here is that while I take for granted the ways in which I think his vision for America helps PoC, not everyone takes his point. I do think it is on him to correct that. I think he will. Mostly, I think he needs to better and more vividly support his thesis. Going forward as a Sander's supporter, I'm going to work to understand the ways in which anti-poverty policy makes social justice possible. I know this. I love what Bernie is saying. It speaks to me. I think it should speak to others, but perhaps I am living in my own white-bread world. A poster here in another thread said "They are the group most affected by economic inequality, but it's not what they are most affected by." I think these words need to be considered.
I think the perceived disconnect here is that Bernie recognizes that there is a divide, he is trying to refocus and redefine the perceived divide from where those with power desperately want it to be - a divide between ethnicities - to a divide that is more all encompassing between regular people and those who wall themselves off in gated communities while shipping opportunity offshore and away from regular Americans. I think Bernie sees class divide as a more appropriate framework than he sees ethnic divide. At the end of the day, I believe regular black folks want what regular white folks want - equality of opportunity, clean water and air, a voice in all matters political, safe communities, good schools, the freedom to practice our religious and cultural traditions, etc. I think he truly believes the fight is not with one another, but against those who pit us against each other in order to maintain their money, power, and influence.
I think that cultural and ethnic division is the only way they maintain their power and advantages. I think Bernie likely believes that once we acknowledge we are all on the same team, all people will rise up together against social injustices. I don't feel that Bernie doesn't speak AA issues, I think he thinks African American issues are a product of our failure to recognize who really stands to gain by perpetuating ethnic division. I think Bernie is hoping to strike at the root cause of the issue, and that cause is cynical rich and powerful people clinging to power at the expense of everybody else.
I hope you give Bernie and his supporters another chance and work to help him to understand that the way you see it, if I understand you correctly, that AA issues need some triage first so that everyone has their hierarchy of needs addressed. I think that is a legit perspective and I hope it is recognized and rectified so that we can group up and take this fight to the real oppressors.
Hopefully this isn't tldr material. I hope you give this Sanders supporter another chance.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Talk to them and listen to their message. They want assurances that we will dismantle this fucked up system and replace it with a fair system. They want prosecutors to not be mostly white, judges too, better help with legal aid, ending militarized police; things that Bernie supports. But he has to have black faces around him or people will not feel comfortable. He needs to hire those protestors to help or people like them to help his campaign.
I'm not really mad at all Sanders supporters, just the ones who went all Miss Millie on us and started pissing me off. Nobody can expect me to take all of that paternalistic patronizing. It's not natural for me. I'd get ulcers if I just sat there and took that.
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jfern
(5,204 posts)Is to have a circular firing squad going on with BLM and progressives.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Who's "wondering"?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)second....
I know who you are talking about. Check this out...
The Week in Review
Saturday, August 23, 2014
With the police and protester clashes in Ferguson, Missouri, as a backdrop, Sen. Bernie Sanders announced on Wednesday that he will introduce legislation to address the national crisis of black youth unemployment. It was reported on Wednesday that an entire city in the South Pacific is being rebuilt on higher ground because global warming is raising sea levels. Sanders has proposed a tax on carbon, an idea explored in a documentary video launched on Wednesday. And Sanders joined thousands of Vermonters at Friday’s funeral for former Sen. Jim Jeffords, who died on Monday at age 80. Jeffords was a champion for the environment, education and disability rights, the issue that prompted the lifelong moderate Republican to leave the party.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/the-week-in-review-082314
He was the first national pol that actually did something about it. (In the House or Senate, Sorry for that, I needed to edit, was typing too fast)
There is more from that same week...
Police Tactics “When you see the kind of force that’s been used in Ferguson, it really does make it appear that the police department there is an occupying army in a hostile territory and that is absolutely not what we want to see in the United States,” Sen. Bernie Sanders said on Monday. “We’ve got to rethink a lot of this heavy equipment that police departments around the country are utilizing.” The senator was interviewed on MSNBC about the police response to protests in the St. Louis suburb since Aug. 9, when an unarmed black teenager, Michael Brown, was shot to death by a white police officer. Watch
Again, he was among the first, if not the first politician to address militarization of the police.
No, I am not a supporter or booster. I care for facts.
And that is just that week. Sanders has been at the forefront of trying to do something concrete about many of the issues that affect inner cities, black communities, hispanic communities, and issues of poverty, as well as civil rights, for decades.
I think the time for me to slink quietly away is coming. I can see the attacks are starting, and soon they will involve his religion. On the bright side, this means he is becoming a real threat, becuase this is 2008 all over again.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)This is about the lives that were lost, and why the #BLM movement isn't going to just sit and talk.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)are echoing the 1960s, funny thing happened on the way to the forum. Some are indeed talking, while others are taking to the streets. It is the MLK, Malcolm X model. It works.
But yes, it is a candidate. Sorry... I am not the only one to see that.
zappaman
(20,627 posts)It's not about candidates.
Happy to clear that up for you!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I'll be waiting a while, I'm sure.
boston bean
(36,839 posts)What are you trying to do, get this locked up?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)So no she was not trying to get this locked, just trying to disrupt... And take away from the message here that of course the #BLM has every right to be angry.
Go figure.
boston bean
(36,839 posts)for someone to alert and use the rules (as they interpret) to get this locked up.
I don't know..
But you can't depend on hosts for getting it right all the time, that's for sure... so there is a danger the system could be manipulated.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Perhaps you do.
In my view this is GD-P. Of course in yours I don't have a right to an opinion. It's ugly, but it is DU.
I wasn't the only one to think such by the way. Go call them as well. They are lower in the thread.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)And sending SOP alerts is not playing games.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I do not play juries. Capiche?
I do not have a right to my opinion it seems. Ugly. It is DU
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)No one is taking that away, but saying the "system doesn't work" and then refusing to use the system...
Well...
You get it.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)do you understand?
As I said, DU... it is ugly. It is what it is.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)productive use. Disrupting and attacking Democrats who are BLM's natural allies in this fight is simply insane. It is like a gift to the republicans, who are NOT BLM's natural allies.
DinahMoeHum
(23,319 posts)n/t
romanic
(2,841 posts)then I'm not biting. Sanders has done more than "talk"; he's been at the forefront of the civil rights movement for decades.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)then get used to it.
romanic
(2,841 posts)and take the fight to them, cause the GOP are the ones who actively discriminate against black folks and ignore minorities. Sanders has always spoken out for black people and police brutality, this whole meme about how he doesn't "care or hear the voices of black people" irks the living shit out of me. I'm sure Sanders would be open to allying himself with BLM founders and activsts, maybe even invite them on his campaign to be heard on a nationally politically level.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)This shit is still happening, I think their concerns and frustrations with the Democratic party are warranted.
romanic
(2,841 posts)But Obama has his hands tied with politicians who go out of their way to get in his way, he can't just wave a magic wand to get rid of racism.
BLM has to be more organized in reaching out, like someone else said the disruption was verging on "shoot yourself in the foot" territory. I really want BLM to succeed but there's a right way to do things; being angry doesn't mean you can do whatever it takes. That's all I can say.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)He's the one who's been sitting on his hands. Sanders didn't appoint AG Holder, Obama did. Sanders is willing to listen, and help. Why they would want to alienate him is a mystery. If they insist on attacking the Democrats, then I wish them good luck with the republicans.
romanic
(2,841 posts)I'm beginning to doubt they have the guts to do it and that angers me. 
TexasBushwhacker
(21,085 posts)when he didn't bring federal charges against George Zimmerman for violating Trayvon Martin's civil rights. Holder was a HORRIBLE Attorney General. He didn't prosecute any of the CEOs of the big banks either. Of course, now we know why. He wouldn't be able to cruise back to a 7 figure salary at the law firm that represents big banks.
But I don't think the BLM movement will further their cause with protests alone. They should be pushing Obama and Congress for changes in policy and new laws NOW.
1. Demand dash and body cameras on all police NOW. The tapes should be stored by a third party, not the police department.
2. If a law enforcement officer discharges their weapon, at an unarmed person, they should be suspended WITHOUT pay, pending investigation. If they are cleared, they receive their back pay. If it is found they had no valid reason for discharging their weapon, they will be fired, prosecuted and their escrowed salary will be given to the victim or their family.
3. Chokeholds, chest compressions or any other maneuver that could cause asphixiation should be outlawed in all police departments.
4. "Voluntary" cops may not carry a firearm EVER.
5. Police departments should be demilitarized. No tanks, no tear gas.
6. Petty crimes should result in tickets, not arrests. They should not have arrested Eric Garner for selling loose cigarettes or Sandra Bland for a traffic ticket. Furthermore no private citizen should ever be told they cannot film an altercation with police. EVER. Filming these events protects police as much as it protects suspects.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Those are solid proposals.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)That is what a lot of our local leaders are indeed demanding.
let me add a critical one. When one does not exit, a civilian review board must be established. Where one exists, it must be reformed to be effective.
TexasBushwhacker
(21,085 posts)Police departments should not be required to investigate themselves. Most of the time time they will have bias to "protect their own" but there's also the possibility that they'll throw a good cop under the bus just to cover up department wide corruption.
I think it would behoove the BLM movement to start pushing for specific changes NOW. We have 18 months til the next inauguration, and it takes a while for laws to be written and passed. BLM should be writing and calling members of Congress NOW about specific laws and policy changes. Maybe they can prevent some deaths.
I also hope that the Democratic candidates will start talking specifics rather than platitudes. I think Bernie is the best at it, but even he can step it up.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)local leaders are working with members of the state assembly, and testifying before it. I need to get together with a few to get some interviews set.
A lot of these reforms are not even federal, but state.
But most press will not report on this. We do. I have even posted that here. At times I wonder if I should even continue posting on DU. This whole OP belongs in GD-P for example, but I was told I have no right to that opinion. I guess that's ok...
That said, in California the big thing is California Criminal Code 182.5 We have been extensively writing about it and covering the court cases involved in it. Young leaders are working to get that off the books. But if these is precedent established, that will send way too many young men behind bars, even when three strikes is no longer popular.
What happens on DU, I now know is nowhere close to what is really happening.
Here, an example of what I am talking about
http://reportingsandiego.com/2015/05/08/civil-rights-argument-made-in-court-charges-dropped-for-one/
There is a lot more there.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)And would applaud the brave people who did it.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)being disruptive?. There is a difference between "being heard" and being effective. They should learn the difference. If they wanted to have an effect, that is, to make a positive and MEANINGFUL contribution they should have prepared a statement listing the points they believe, if instituted, will address the issues.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Here is the list they should start with...
http://www.buzzfeed.com/nicholasquah/heres-a-timeline-of-unarmed-black-men-killed-by-police-over#.monN3ZP4
Sure expect a lot from people who are literally risk getting killed just by leaving the house, or not using their turn signal correctly, or playing with a toy gun...
My list can go on an on, hopefully you will take the time to read my meaningful contribution.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)With voting rights being chipped away, it is crucial for people to expect the candidates to respect them enough to ask for their vote.
I am so proud of blm, they are the future of this country and they are so committed to our political system. They are the hope of our future. I've seen so many up and coming leaders on this movement. They are learning and while they are learning to create a new dynamic they can teach us. Woe to the party or candidate who cannot listen.
I posted early they are tasked with moving a big inert mass of hate and indifference. That will take energy and passion and for some their lives. Respect it.
I decided I cannot post on any more threads that refuse to acknowledge black lives matter I just can't do it. It hurts my heart.
And honest to god Democrats need to remember the 68 convention. No one is owed a vote that so many have sacrificed for.
I am not impressed with the dems so far. I admit to supporting Hillary for now because we're 2 old broads who can fight and take a punch and still stay on our feet but none of these candidates sadly are capable of following in the steps if Obama as far as being transformative. Since I am a dem, I will vote for the dem, except for that nutty Webb, then I gotta write in Barbara Lee. But I can't in all good faith tell any of these young folks with so much at stake just vote for the Democrat without pushing and dragging them wailin and gnashin their teeth to saying the name. Say the name damn it. Black lives matter
I'm sorry, I'm tired I can't read anymore about hurting people feelings and rove tactics and minimizing the anguish and hope and fear as some political stunt. I'm done. I'm going to watch kittens and puppies
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)
oasis
(53,292 posts)Being elected president. That's what I remember.
Lancero
(3,257 posts)And still point out that shooting themselves in the foot isn't going to help.
...I know that that probably isn't the best phrase to use, but it is the only one that comes to mind.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Why would you twist something so untrue, to get a meme? It's counter intuitive. Why doesn't BLM go after the current administration who might be able to improve things NOW, why tear down people who listen and have worked for decades to make things better for EVERYONE?!
This doesn't make sense to me unless I view it in a way that it does make sense and I'm not going to get into that. Why does BLM think this is a winning strategy? It needs to be addressed nationally and locally at the same time.
We need to address the disenfranchisement of thousands of people and get out the vote so we have something to work with. We also need to secure the vote to prevent election theft.
I understand the critical need to address the open and all too common violence against POC...NOW...to save lives. However this needs to be dropped in the laps of congress, the senate and the executive. We'll keep working toward our mutual goal from this end at the same time.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)People loosing their lives is spin?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)He's not in charge of the DoJ. He is the most liberal Senator...beats me why they'd be rude to their most logical and willing ally.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I mean literally these people have to fear everyday if they get pulled over, they face dangers you or I may never have to face. Society judges them in a way allies cant even comprehend, and when they get a little loud they get this kind of patronizing response?
I say fuck it, keep disrupting, keep tweeting, until the rest of America gets it because clearly as a nation we don't.
romanic
(2,841 posts)You gotta let somebody speak eventually! It's not patronizing, it's the truth and some BLM apparently don't fucking get it.
romanic
(2,841 posts)JS.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Noted.
This ISN'T about a candidate to me, this about lives.
romanic
(2,841 posts)A mistake on your part. I can already see the spin you'll pulling and it's not working so stop using black people as a crutch for your agenda.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Here is the original post for those who care:
A mistake on your part. I can already see the spin you'll pulling and it's not working so stop pretending you give a damn about black lives.
Yup, cause that's what you get around here.
romanic
(2,841 posts)as ammo. So sue me for trying to censor myself.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Change?
That's what I don't get... how is this post ammo?
romanic
(2,841 posts)You really should have just posted this in the primaries forum if you wanted to play political games. Goodbye.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Isn't the fault of the OP (me).
This OP was meant to be a reminder of what African American's have to face EVERY DAMN DAY.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)nicely
By the way, many of us are very aware of what minorities face every damn day. Some of us ARE minorities as well. But do carry on. I am trashing this whole thread. And yes, it still belongs in GD-P
haikugal
(6,476 posts)See my post below.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)That spin.....where do you get that? Is it because we don't understand the tactic used at Netroots? If so, that's not the same as not understanding why BLM is angry. Get it?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Ask Tamir Rice what he thinks... oh wait.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Goodbye
kcjohn1
(751 posts)Police violence is real against the black community. Overall criminal system is systematically against people of color. This has being an issue for past 80+ years. It is not going to change overnight but spotlight needs to be addressed on it when we have public incidents.
In America the police is used to protect richer communities against the poor. Who are the poor? The vast majority are minorities. Why are minorities poor? Because of lack of jobs/opportunities. One way to break this vicious cycle (in addition to reforming criminal system) is to provide jobs and opportunities. Jobs and income will solve much more problems in the black community than ANYTHING else. Everything else is just trimming on the edges.
Bernie is provides the best messaging on Jobs.
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scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)happened. It's pretty much the only topic I've been reading about over all these hours - I don't know how many different threads, plus a few non-DU news articles and such.
Anyway, it's taken me awhile, but after all that reading it finally hit me that those protestors did exactly the right thing. Yup, they transgressed bigtime - they pushed us nice white progressives totally out of our comfort zone, pissed us off, outraged us, inconvenienced us, messed up our nice candidate speeches, and sent bunches of us typing furiously on our keyboards about it.
Indeed, typing furiously on our keyboards... And therein lies the power of that protest. Instead of having the pleasant experience of cheering for our guy after a well-delivered speech, we were confronted with the stark reality that these sisters and brothers don't just get inconvenienced when their day doesn't turn out so good - they get murdered.
I don't want to be that nice white progressive who feels inconvenienced about a speech being interrupted. I don't want to sit in judgement over what's a "proper" way to protest. My life is generally not at risk just from driving down the road in my car and forgetting to use my turn signal when I change lanes. There a so many things I never have to think about because I was born white. So I bless those protestors for getting all up in our faces like they did - for making me really THINK about the why of their anger.
Yes, it was well done, it was necessary, and they were right to do it. Transgression is powerful. I thank them.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Perfect.
Starry Messenger
(32,379 posts)It's not easy to get up in front of a group of people, and make your case, especially when you know it will be controversial.
I honestly wish even more pols had been in the audience, or interrupted on the stage. All of Congess and the Senate really needs to have a hearing on police violence. And *all* the candidates running for office.
It was perfect in EVERY way. Our moral responsibility has to come before political expediency. If it doesn't, then we're no better than goddamned republicans. This shit is crushing the what's left of the soul of this country and I couldn't give two fucks if some one gets pissed. If they're pissed at this protest, then they are part of the problem.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)
gollygee
(22,336 posts)We need to be taken out of our comfort zone. That's when things start to change.
boston bean
(36,839 posts)Nicely said.
MerryBlooms
(12,131 posts)
Great post, scarletwoman.Lilith Rising
(184 posts) 
Quayblue
(1,045 posts)and thank you!
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)and I'll agree 100% but it seems to me the direction of the righteous anger is not at in all proportion to influence on building on and maintaining the problems among those there is any hope of influencing nor profile to really get front and center.
The situation is evolving but if the pressure versus pass orientation holds, I won't feel much represented or spoken for.
In fact, I will feel like I'm being used as a pawn in a dirty con game to protect the structural status quo decorated with a little fluff and flourish to keep the marks distracted regardless of the asserted to be and seemingly self evident actual intentions because that will be the fruit of it unless it works on the pass folks like shooting a board member to scare the CEO, which doesn't seem to work to much effect on believe in "where else are you going to go?" as a central organizing tenet (and a part of what I fear causes and will continue the hands off approach for certain inferred and always "good enough" plus allies the "we have to work with them" factor).
You simply aren't going to rapture out hundreds of years chattel status with various levels of animalizing that persist to this day out of the existing institutions, laws, and favored majority minds that act as a rudder for policy, control enforcement, motivate prosecutions and passes, and will be a heavy influence on the final check aka jurist.
Add in an adversarial, biased to the state, and money driven legal system pitted against those least likely to be resourced and you find yourself negotiating for rhetoric, window dressing, and in the end even more of the same driven by the same forces plundering off misery while tinkering around the most frayed ends to bring them in line with the tapestry of exploitation, abuse, and as always greed and dominion over others.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)
Prism
(5,815 posts)The protestors reminded us.
Good for them.
Number23
(24,544 posts)
intheflow
(29,965 posts)Freakin' police killing our fellow citizens. Pisses this white woman off that most of my fellow caucasians see skin color over humanity, accept government brutality toward our neighbors as okay because our neighbors don't literally live next door. 
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I for one am livid.
intheflow
(29,965 posts)
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)and I'm kind of pissed off that people don't think I'm pissed off.
TM99
(8,352 posts)And I really don't have a problem with what occurred with one caveat.
Make it count. Let this be the start. If this is truly about taking the message off the internet and into the political arena, then do it. Protest at every major political event - GOP or Dem. Have protesters at the town halls for all candidates. I expect to see them hound Hillary Clinton this way as well as they did Sanders and O'Malley.
And by the gods, there better be a force of protesters at the Democratic Convention.
Why my caveats?
Because otherwise, this is an isolated incident that looks like a setup. Where one candidate was 'lucky' enough to not have this played out for them in the media. Where no matter what, NN looks complicit in this and certainly not very good at facilitating a response once it started.
JustAnotherGen
(37,475 posts)I smell a rat.
If the organizer (as above was pointed out) knew the ambush was coming . . .
If they are using the excuse that Clinton was invited - because she turned down the invite last year . . .
Perhaps NRN should be thrown in the now irrelevant bin?
Shame on them.
JustAnotherGen
(37,475 posts)She wasn't there.
She wasn't invited.
She was invited last year -but didn't attend.
What we have here is sound bites and news "blips" about Sanders and O'Malley who had enough respect for this progressive and liberal function to show up.
To even be invited . . .
jfern
(5,204 posts)But thanks to the circular firing squad that BLM unleashed, she comes out ahead.
JustAnotherGen
(37,475 posts)If BLM's existence means my brother doesn't get his neck broken or one of my nephews doesn't get shot during a traffic stop - or my niece railroaded, thrown in jail and mysteriously lynched -then I hope they fire away.
Have no doubt - I'm on the side of BLM - because it benefits the people I love an care about. It benefits me. I trust black activists more to look out for me than any - I mean ANY politician in Washington D.C. Fire away folks - we are under attack in this land of bigots.
And now - because they set up O'Malley (the true under dog in this race) - NRN forever goes in my trash pile.
MuseRider
(35,086 posts)to tell other people how to be angry or how to show it or how to deal with it.
I have found the best thing to do is understand that someone or a group of someone's are angry, find out why and learn what they are saying.
I either step out of it and just stand behind them with my support or try to learn how to fight the fight the way they want to fight it. If I am not part of that group I am support and have no business telling those who are a part of it what to do.
You are angry? Jesus, how could you not be? Let us know how we can best support you. You get to make the rules, how could anyone not understand that?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)why they are angry. Many of us here on DU both black and white were here watching and commenting on the protests in Ferguson MO and on every incident of police brutality and murder since then. And we are angry.
Yet suddenly last night we are told that our support and anger does not count.
That is not a good strategy. If you have a war it is not a good idea to alienate your supporters. To tell your friends that it does not matter what they think - they are white and cannot possibly care about others. That is no more true than all the garbage that is thrown at POC.
For God's sake we are on your side and so are many white politicians. There is not a single Democratic candidate this year that is not on your side. But they are candidates - they are not in a position to make the changes that are needed. And neither are we here on DU.
All the talk in the world is not going to change the racism that allows black lives to be lost in such a horrible way with no real cause whatsoever. We often see the phrase "follow the money" here but I think there is a new phrase we need for this situation "follow the power". The current president may have some kind of power that can be used to do something about this. It is that power all of us need to address about this situation. When either Hillary or Bernie become president then they will have the power.
The only protest that will change anything is one addressed to power. In Ferguson MO that is what was happening - unarmed people standing up to corrupt police with tanks and other weapons of war. Standing up to power. The world - people of all colors - supported the protestors. It was like that picture of the single youth that stood in front of the tank. It was a powerful message. As the protests continued more people joined in including white youth.
That is what I remember happening in the Civil Rights movement in the 60s - after the world started to see what was happening others joined in. There are still many others who will join in. But not if they are not wanted.
To assume that Bernie Sanders would not care and is not interested because he does not talk about it all the time is really a stretch. The man is Jewish and his grandparents were killed in the holocaust. Do any of you really think he would not see the similarities? What do you think he was doing in the Civil Rights movement all those years ago?
Yes, I read this OP. Everything in it is true. It is not right and it needs to be changed. But it will not change any of it if the supporters are turned into the enemies by the very people they are trying to help. Show us the way you want to go but do not treat us as if we are the enemy. We are not.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)What happened yesterday at Netroots nation is telling the natural allies to fuck off. Don't be too shocked when many allies do indeed take a breath, sigh and walk away.
I know we won't... we will keep covering this shit, because it needs exposure. Whether I post stuff here on DU, is now a question for me. I have been told that I don't matter. And I am, ironically, treated as a lesser human by the system on three counts. Immigrant (from Mexico), Jew, and woman.
That's ok. If this is the way it is, it is the way it is. I expect the Bernie is a Jew soon. That is when I truly walk away.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)of his heritage it is racism and hatred and the results of those actions.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)for example.
I know, from speaking to people in real life, that what happens on DU is not real life. It is real drama, but not real life.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)we are really their allies by demanding that we listen to them.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)you ask a question then there should be a way to and time to hear the answer. Especially if you are allies. There was none. They never once stopped yelling so that he could answer. Even during the Q&A portion.
Also the night before he was at the dinner in Cedar Rapids Iowa where he got a standing ovation for that very same question. And just after in Arizona he answered the same question again. And these were not the only times he has talked about this. And rather you like it or not what he has been saying about the economy is just as much about POC as it is anyone else. Most of my family need help economically.
What I think was really going on was that BLM is trying to keep their cause in the public eye and this was a good venue to do that. They did not care what answers were given. They wanted the attention - not for themselves - but for their cause. A righteous cause. One that needs to be kept in the public eye.
But it alienated people as you can see if you have been reading DU. Fortunately I think that there is a meeting between them and Bernie in a couple of days when he gets done with his tour in the SW.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)and how they did it. My take is that if you (general "you", not you "you"
felt alienated by BLM's actions, you need to honestly ask yourself just what exactly it was about it that bothered you.
Then weigh that bother against what THEY'VE been dealing with their entire lives.
You're absolutely right about this: "They did not care what answers were given." They were there to be listened TO, and rightfully so. How many years/decades have they already been listening to us white people?
I hope that this is correct: I think that there is a meeting between them and Bernie in a couple of days when he gets done with his tour in the SW. That would be really great.
Anyway, thank you very much for the conversation here, I do appreciate it.
Peace.
romanic
(2,841 posts)"Racist whitey!" over and over. All I saw were fringe black hashtag "activists" harassing white liberals AND black liberals on twitter in response to the hollering. If in-fighting and name-calling online is you're thing then have a ball, but don't sell us this "proving" shit as some kind of ritual of progressiveness.
stranger81
(2,345 posts)I guess someone should tell Elon James White that his Twitter account has been hacked then. Along with the portion of Black Twitter that spent the weekend amusing themselves at the expense of Sanders and his supporters.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Just, carry on...
stranger81
(2,345 posts)I take them at face value.
There are plenty of other issues demanding the time of white progressives with time to spend in the trenches. If BLM is not interested in having "White Progressive (TM)" allies, then let them appeal to the Third Wayers and the Republicans. For all the good that will do their cause.
Edited to add: All this presumes, of course, that what happened this weekend was intended to further a particular cause, and not just a particular candidate.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)I have no interest whatsoever in anything else you have to say and this is my final reply to you.
stranger81
(2,345 posts)Well done, madam. Winning friends and allies everywhere.
Skittles
(169,192 posts)yes indeed
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)or perhaps even care?
Just imagine, always be scared for your family members, scared all the time.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,570 posts)If discussion won't work, what will?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It will happens but right now the discussion isn't even occurring, that's what this type of protest will change.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)still_one
(98,883 posts)effectively prevent a two way dialog from occurring
hughee99
(16,113 posts)it sounds like a whole bunch of people don't understand why #BLM is angry at Bernie Sanders.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Actually, we do in regard to the issue. We also understand protest. We don't live on Mars.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)and have been since. They were specifically calling out Bernie and his supporters. Then others were just piling on. If they weren't mad, they certainly don't think he or his supporters care.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)all and then sift through them all from the opportunists.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)but definitely an important issue that needs to be addressed in this country. He cares rather they want to believe it or not. I plan to bow out of GD Primaries as well. No real dialogue there or an answer to that question. Certainly very little cerebral. I plan this week to limit my posts here to the video and multimedia forum and other ones such as Environment and Energy, science, etc. The main political forum I will attend to will be the Bernie forum until whatever happens, happens. But I wish them the best in achieving awareness of the problem and forcing the hand of government.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Skittles
(169,192 posts)
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)and outside police department Investigators will find out why a non-white unarmed person has been shot.....I hope it plays out for all unarmed victims of police shootings, regardless of race.
99% of cops are very good people who became cops because they want to help keep the peace and stop crimes. They have to weed out the few that seem to enjoy using their guns, fists and feet on unarmed people.
It takes one State to start, and the others won't want to be outdone..
ananda
(34,285 posts)... why aren't I seeing sit-ins and protests in front
of every police station involved in an unnecessary
arrest or killing?
I mean constant, consistent activism until something
actually changes.
One rule of thumb: never go after or attack your allies,
and realize that they are not going to be perfect.
Be good to them. You want them in good shape.
Autumn
(48,715 posts)to step up and control these police who are murdering people. People have been talking about this for a long time now. It is time to hold elected Democrats and republicans accountable, they are in power and have the ability to stop this. Force them to.
JustAnotherGen
(37,475 posts)
I know he's kind of looked down upon by a segment on the Left - but Corey Booker lives in this 'space'. I also think there is room for a reach across the aisle to get more of the IndieTeas in office to engage - the ones who came to it out of the Ron Paul movement.
How they avoid being held accountable is beyond me...