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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLet's not forget Trump's quote was not only about McCain.
"I like people who weren't captured."
While he was directing his comment in context towards McCain, his comment stung towards anyone who may have been captured on the battlefield.
So regardless of what one might think about John McCain or the GOP, it's just a completely shitty thing to say.
It fits Trump's M.O. though. He's always talking about "winners" and "losers."
He'll happily identify himself as a "winner" despite having multiple business failures over his career. I guess being able to insulate his own personal wealth while thousands of his employees lost their jobs makes him a "winner" in his own mind.
And anyone who dares to cross his path will inevitably be identified as a "loser" by Trump on his rambling Twitter feed.
So in Trump's idiotic, feeble little mind, servicemen who manage to avoid capture might be the winners. Those who are captured and held as POWs, however, are the losers.
Donald Trump is a horrible, horrible human being.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,264 posts)According to his Selective Service records, first obtained by the website The Smoking Gun through a Freedom of Information Act request, Trump received four student deferments between 1964 and 1968 while in college and an additional medical deferment after graduating.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-vietnam-draft-records-secret-documents-deferments/story?id=13492639
He's a man who thinks 'service' is something that other people have to do, for him, whether routine or life-threatening. He could be the worst person possible to be put forward as a presidential candidate. I think I'd even credit Sarah Palin with a better sense of duty than him.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)to see how many people actually think he's wonderful and would love to have him as president. Helps me understand why this country is so totally fucked up...there are just simply lots of abysmally stupid people here.
catbyte
(34,328 posts)passing day, and that is terrifying.
AverageGuy
(80 posts)I am a Vietnam era veteran who is not a supporter of Donald Trump, but I do not like the way the other Republican candidates are piling on him because of his comments about Senator McCain. I will now give my viewpoint.
Senator McCain is a hero, but is no more so then the 1000's of nameless American servicemen who were also captured, and did not have a four-star admiral as a father. They did not get the hype and come home to a hero's welcome the way McCain did. They, and countless wounded Vietnam veterans, came home anonymously with no celebration, and little or no care for their wounds, both physical and mental. Too many ended up homeless in the streets, they did not end up going to the United States Senate. Rather then using his position in the Senate, making sure those Vietnam veterans got the care they earned, as you think he would, he was meeting with federal regulators to discuss and influence the government's investigation of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,148 posts)Read the quote again.
It was contemptible, inexcusable verbal diarrhea from Donald Trump.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)what he in particular, but all members of Congress should have done in supporting wounded and traumatized veterans (not the least of which being that they should stop trying to make more of them). Of course, Trump doesn't really give a ratfuck about veterans either, it's just a convenient talking point for him, but frankly it does resonate with some people who think McCain has milked his veteran/POW status for far more credit and political currency than it merits.
Renew Deal
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I think your post is correct. I don't know how much of his shtick he believes and how much is just rambling. He likes to personally counterpunch any attacker, even if they are not a direct competitor. Remember, McCain isn't running for anything.
vankuria
(904 posts)also, how many other groups he can offend this week? Perhaps the elderly, the disabled, the poor or anyone who isn't a millionaire?
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,148 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)He's become the "Howard Stern" of this election cycle: a "ShockPol" who keeps saying outrageous things to keep him at the forefront of the race. For us on the left, he's the gift that keeps giving. A heartfelt thanks Donald: how many more voters can you alienate?
sarge43
(28,940 posts)an amoeba this thread. He can't think in any meaningful way; he merely reacts.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)"Reaction" - in general - would be too generous a word to describe Trump's modus operandi.
dmosh42
(2,217 posts)dpatbrown
(368 posts)McCain isn't much better. As an anti-war student back in the 60's, I didn't see anyone who was fighting in the war as a hero. McCain dropped bombs(before being captured) on many, many innocent people. People like David Harris ( who elected to go to prison instead of fighting in an illegal war), he was a hero.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I think it is more about the hypocrisy of people like Trump- people who want war but did everything to avoid going themselves
dpatbrown
(368 posts)more than ever. Rich people start wars, poor people fight them.
ananda
(28,833 posts)Trump and his supporters on this are truly insane.
LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)evaders as winners. Those ho didn't have the money or influence to buy their way out of the draft are losers in their mindset. Just as those kids who come out of college with massive debts are losers to them also.
I liked how some of the very rich men from my hometown treated their boys when they got out of public high school (in the 60's). These were oil men who made it themselves. Before their kids got any money, trust fund, college money they had to go and do roughneck work for the summer. I did not know why as a kid, but I believe it was to teach them humility and how the other people had to work. Not much of that is done any more.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,939 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,006 posts)Actually, he probably wouldn't last one week in ancient Sparta.
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HFRN
(1,469 posts)the comment on McCain (a guy I'm not fond of, but I do respect veterans as a group) crossed the line from extremist to just plain troll
it cannot be more clear to the GOP that Trump is nothing more than a blowhard who is busting up his own party out of spite