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Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:12 PM

Is this who you want for President, or any of the clown car?

This is them in a nutshell.

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Are you going to vote for a Democratic Candidate if yours loses the primary? I am. No way in hell will I jeopardize, my and others like me our end of life. Nor will I screw the lives of my dear wee ones. Not happening. I don't want that for mine and I don't want that for yours.

I will vote and I will vote on the Democratic ticket.

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Reply Is this who you want for President, or any of the clown car? (Original post)
sheshe2 Jul 2015 OP
1000words Jul 2015 #1
TheNutcracker Jul 2015 #2
sheshe2 Jul 2015 #5
sheshe2 Jul 2015 #4
1000words Jul 2015 #10
sheshe2 Jul 2015 #12
1000words Jul 2015 #13
sheshe2 Jul 2015 #14
1000words Jul 2015 #15
hay rick Jul 2015 #6
1000words Jul 2015 #11
Scootaloo Jul 2015 #3
catnhatnh Jul 2015 #7
sheshe2 Jul 2015 #9
sheshe2 Jul 2015 #8
ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #16
sheshe2 Jul 2015 #18
Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #25
Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #31
Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #35
DonViejo Jul 2015 #34
Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #36
Scootaloo Jul 2015 #17
sheshe2 Jul 2015 #19
Scootaloo Jul 2015 #20
sheshe2 Jul 2015 #22
Scootaloo Jul 2015 #24
quickesst Jul 2015 #30
1000words Jul 2015 #23
Scootaloo Jul 2015 #26
MisterP Jul 2015 #21
lovemydog Jul 2015 #27
madokie Jul 2015 #28
Gothmog Jul 2015 #29
cwydro Jul 2015 #32
raouldukelives Jul 2015 #33

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Response to 1000words (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:17 PM

2. Finally we have someone. Bernie makes me *want* to vote!

 

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Response to TheNutcracker (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:28 PM

5. So the question was...

Will you vote Dem if your candidate loses? Will you?

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Response to 1000words (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:25 PM

4. Got it.

You will not vote Dem. Sure hope you are not old and I sure as hell hope there are no kids, or whether they be yours or nieces or nephews in your life. 'Cause you are selling them down the river.

Sad you want more lifetime appointments of conservative judges. The like that gave us citizens united. Yea You! Screw everyone else, I stand by my principles. That is so sad.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 10:08 PM

12. Kudos.

I will no longer be manipulated by fear. The jig is up.


Since you refuse to vote for a Dem candidate in the general if yours looses. then are you planning to leave DU when the general election starts? You do know you can not trash Dems here when that happens.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 10:17 PM

14. Good that you know TOS.

Hope you stick to it.

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Response to 1000words (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:35 PM

6. Disciplined voting is nonsense.

If you refuse to vote for the "lesser evil" you allow other people to choose the greater evil on your behalf. If you are dissatisfied with the options our political system has to offer (I know I am) I suggest you get involved in helping a good candidate win a primary.

Non-participation is not a strategy, it's surrender.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:20 PM

3. I dunno Sheshe2, WILL you vote for a Democratic candidate other than your own?

 

I don't think you will, and your post history has only increased my certainty.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:43 PM

7. Yep

This is one more version of pledging allegiance to the flag followed by the loyalty oath...

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Response to catnhatnh (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:49 PM

9. Read the Op.

Scoot didn't and neither did you.

Will you or will you not vote for the Democratic candidate if yours loses? I said that I will. Will you or do you prefer the alternative?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:44 PM

8. Read the OP, Scoot! Reading skills help.

From my OP!

"Are you going to vote for a Democratic Candidate if yours loses the primary? I am. No way in hell will I jeopardize, my and others like me our end of life. Nor will I screw the lives of my dear wee ones. Not happening. I don't want that for mine and I don't want that for yours."


Do I get an apology now!?????????????! For all I have posted here, all I have fought for you believe I would that I would sit it out? I made it CLEAR in my OP I would be voting Dem. How could you have possibly missed that? How could you miss what I posted in black and white?

Funny, you missed that and never answered the question either. Hmmmmm~

So, should I expect an apology AND an answer to the question?! Oh, please include my post history saying I will not vote for the Dem candidate in the general. TIA.

I await your response Scoot!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 10:42 PM

16. You know what's funny?

I already did all that stomp my feet and hold my breathe 'not voting' shit. Didn't vote for Clinton. Voted Socialist, or wrote someone in (didn't vote for Perot ether) It got me George W. Bush, is what it got me. I get tired seeing it rehashed like its a new and radical idea. It's not--it's the same useless old shit.

Now, I'm always going to vote Democratic--and you were perfectly clear that you are as well Sheshe2, no need to elaborate or convince.



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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:04 PM

18. Hey ism.

thanks~ sigh.

I am older than you. My family has a history of longevity. Trust me when I say I don't want to live as long as they did. I want quality not quantity.

You are probably my niece and nephews age. Ya, he did a Nader vote. In Mass it did not mean all that much. Yet, if so many here say they refuse to vote DEM, we will be on the losing team. I am voting for my wee great niece and nephews. Hey, voting also for your adorable ones that dress themselves and are so beautiful to behold. Super women. I so loved that picture. They are our future.

You.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #16)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:38 AM

25. I vote for the Dem. Nominee every presidential election like clockwork, have since Dukakis.

Of course not voting for Bill Clinton wouldn't have got you GWB directly, not voting for Gore OTOH, for sure.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #25)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 06:15 AM

31. Not Good Enough, Warren....

Sure, you say that you will vote for the nominee, whoever it is, but how can we (we being concerned citizens of DU who demand to know how everyone will vote and warn of the TOS and everything. I'm the night-shift) take you at yr word? How do we know yr not a sleeper agent from the vast army of Bernies clogging up DU announcing every post that they won't vote for Hillary Clinton NO MATTER WHAT?

There's only one solution to this terrible problem. We've compiled a list, and on election day a crack unit of the 15 remaining Hillary Supporters at DU will be squeezing into the voting booth with you and anyone else on our list to find out once and for all what yr intentions are. And once we know, we're coming back here, wresting the nuke button off Skinner, and we're going to set off those nukes and it's going to make Hiroshima look like a tiny firecracker by comparison.

And then in four years time we're going to do it all over again. Be warned, Bernies!

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #31)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 03:24 PM

35. Yeah, I just basically figure if there's a list, I'm already on it. Doesn't matter what it's for.

It's liberating, after a fashion, to simply no longer give a shit.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #25)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 08:58 AM

34. I too vote for the Dem...

came close to not voting for Carter in 1980, temporarily wooed by the defeat of Ted Kennedy that year and John Anderson but, in the final analysis, didn't want to go down as someone who contributed to Reagan's victory and went with Carter. I had every good reason to NOT vote for Dukakis in 1988 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026877380) but did so. Will vote for the Dem in this election, too.

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #34)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 03:25 PM

36. I hear ya. And thanks for that link. Unbelievable.

Thank God things have changed for the better in this country.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 10:59 PM

17. And how many times have your demands for loyalty oaths been answered?

 

If you don't trust others to hold to their word, why the fuck should we trust you?

especially given 2008?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:14 PM

19. Would you please give me a link?

I have no clue what you are talking about. Put it up or shut it down. You are making accusations here. Wild accusations.

What loyalty oaths.Loyalty oaths?????????????????? As for 2008??????????????....I was not here. I got here in 10/12.

Clarify your point then answer the gawd damn OP!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:45 PM

20. "Clarify your point then answer the gawd damn OP!"

 

Does that attitude work for you elsewhere, Sheshe2? I'm sorry, but your presumption of entitlement over me is deeply flawed.

Have you really been missing the demands - always from Clinton supporters to the rest of DU - to promise to vote for "whoever the Democratic candidate is?" really, are you that unaware? Your post is far from the first.

And really? Did you just sit politics out until joining in 2012 or something? 'Cause "Party Unity My Ass" wasn't, to the best of my knowledge a DU-only phenomena. Well, maybe you did. so let me explain.

In 2008, Clinton was falling behind Obama a little more every day, since the results of the initial primaries. And as she got further and further behind, her supporters got more and more, well, hateful. Like literally rabies-level hatred against barack obama. You think Birtherism got started by Sarah Palin? Donald Trump? nope, it got started on a Hillary Clinton mailing list and was thrown around in Democratic circles before the republicans picked it up and ran with it. There were no shortage of accusations that he was only ahead because of his skin (including the inevitable "race loyalty" garbage against black voters). Geraldine Ferraro was the most memorable of these for me, but i'm certain she wasn't alone.

Then, after the convention, clinton lost the nomination. And then Obama named Biden as his running mate. Well, that sort of made hell break loose. A "movement" sprung up screaming "Party Unity, My Ass!" to oppose obama's nomination, vowign to vote third party or mccain, so on. This progressed into an actual PAC calling itself "People United Means Action."

Now, before you mention it, yes, it was only a minority of Clinton voters. Buuut we didn't know who they were until they basically self-exposed. And then we could see how much of the hatred and froth and rage agaisnt a black candidate was coming from these quarters, and those who had supported the PUMA movement, but ended up sticking with the democrats in the end anyway.

So now I see you, and you have nothing to offer except frothing rage and hatred against sanders and any who support him. You sound just like that noisy minority did - except at the time, their target was actually ahead of Clinton, so it could be rationalized at some level, as a desperate fandom clutching at straws to reverse an inevitable trend.

Basically, no one has any reason to trust a Clinton supporter's loyalty, particularly one like you who seems vastly more interested in shitbagging and spreading hate against any competitors than actually supporting 'your candidate." The group's near-obsessive demand vor blood oaths of undying loyalty no matter what is just adding a sad stink of desperation to the mess.

As for your "gawd damned OP!" I've answered the question enough times that I'm more than a little sick of having an answer demanded of me by presumptious jerks on the internet. Previously, I have been solid in statingthat I would vote for Hillary if she is the nominee, and that 2020 will be my "loyalty test."

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #20)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:44 AM

22. Let's get the story straight here Scoot

Your first response to me is saying I will not vote for the candidate in the general. Correct if I am wrong with what you stated.

Scootaloo (19,094 posts)
3. I dunno Sheshe2, WILL you vote for a Democratic candidate other than your own?

I don't think you will, and your post history has only increased my certainty.


How about your attitude above^^^^and your presumption that I will not vote.Your presumption of entitlement over ME is indeed deeply flawed. Does that attitude work for you all over DU Scoot. LOL!

Does that attitude work for you elsewhere, Sheshe2? I'm sorry, but your presumption of entitlement over me is deeply flawed.



Wait! What! Have you missed all the Berns that are REFUSING to vote Dem if your guy loses?????? Wake up. Lol, you turn that into a loyalty pledge. Have you read the posts and polls from the Bernies asking if we will vote for him if he wins, and the answer has been unanimously yes. Your team, not so much.

Have you really been missing the demands - always from Clinton supporters to the rest of DU - to promise to vote for "whoever the Democratic candidate is?" really, are you that unaware? Your post is far from the first.


I don't have much time or patience with the rest of your rant. Where was I before 2012...

Sooooooo. One can only embrace politics on DU It is impossible to be aware unless on DU? EFu. I have been politically aware my entire life.

And really? Did you just sit politics out until joining in 2012 or something?

'Cause "Party Unity My Ass" wasn't, to the best of my knowledge a DU-only phenomena. Well, maybe you did. so let me explain.

In 2008, Clinton was falling behind Obama a little more every day, since the results of the initial primaries. And as she got further and further behind, her supporters got more and more, well, hateful. Like literally rabies-level hatred against barack obama. You think Birtherism got started by Sarah Palin? Donald Trump? nope, it got started on a Hillary Clinton mailing list and was thrown around in Democratic circles before the republicans picked it up and ran with it. There were no shortage of accusations that he was only ahead because of his skin (including the inevitable "race loyalty" garbage against black voters). Geraldine Ferraro was the most memorable of these for me, but i'm certain she wasn't alone.


Hey Scoot~ I have been an Obama girl from day one. Voted for him twice, supported him for 7 years now, always supported him. Never left his side. Now I am for Hillary, they became a fabulous team. They overcame their differences, and that to me is huge.

Hillary 2016~


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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #22)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:32 AM

24. Yes, let's

 

How about your attitude above^^^^and your presumption that I will not vote.Your presumption of entitlement over ME is indeed deeply flawed. Does that attitude work for you all over DU Scoot. LOL!


Your OP here is you sticking your finger in everyone else's face and making the same accusation. What the fuck is wrong with you, that you think you have the privilege to do it to others and be spared it yourself? You're damn right I'm entitled to throw your shit back at you, Sheshe2. if you don't want to take it, don't fucking dish it out.

And I never presumed that you wouldn't vote...


Wait! What! Have you missed all the Berns that are REFUSING to vote Dem if your guy loses?????? Wake up. Lol, you turn that into a loyalty pledge. Have you read the posts and polls from the Bernies asking if we will vote for him if he wins, and the answer has been unanimously yes. Your team, not so much.


I've seen like, three. I've seen vastly, vastly more saying they'll vote Democratic. it's hard to miss, with the plethora of desperate Hillary supporters begging for unconditional loyalty from the same people they tell to get fucked with every other post.

I don't have much time or patience with the rest of your rant. Where was I before 2012...

Sooooooo. One can only embrace politics on DU It is impossible to be aware unless on DU? EFu. I have been politically aware my entire life.


You want to talk shit about reading skills, Sheshe2? You really shouldn't, if this is what you deliver up. No, I asked if you had just been politically unaware prior to joining DU, becuase it's hard to imagine any other way you could be unaware of the grotesqueries of the Clinton campaign in 2008 and its aftermath unless that were the case.

Fuck me? That the best you got, really?

Hey Scoot~ I have been an Obama girl from day one. Voted for him twice, supported him for 7 years now, always supported him. Never left his side. Now I am for Hillary, they became a fabulous team. They overcame their differences, and that to me is huge.


Good for you. This doesn't change that you've been exceedingly nasty and hateful towards Sanders and his supporters, on a level that I honestly cannot tell the difference between you and the crazies from back in the day of the PUMAs.

And that beign the case, I have no reason to trust you when you talk about your voting habits. Sorry.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #19)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 06:02 AM

30. Frankly sheshe2.....

.... I wouldn't waste my time addressing anyone who believes self righteousness is a virtue. I myself have already pledged my loyalty. That loyalty being to everyone who has children and grandchildren. I think I would rather hear them say "You did the right thing. Thank you.." Rather than, "What the fuck were you thinking?"

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Response to 1000words (Reply #23)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:47 AM

26. It's quite the defining post, isn't it? n/t

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:59 PM

21. the question, of course, has never been if DUers will vote for the eventual nominee

but if the nominee is attractive enough to the other 99.966667% of America, the non-wonks that actually determine elections' outcomes--if the nominee will refrain from pushing all the stuff we damn their opponent for pushing

but I suspect you knew that already

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:49 AM

27. Absolutely I will.

It's the least I do as a citizen.

Have a good weekend.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 03:33 AM

28. I'm a true blue 100% democratic party animal

and I WILL vote for our parties NOMINEE
I don't do RepubliCONs at all. I barely can stand to be around one let alone help to get one elected to office

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 03:59 AM

29. This is great

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 06:37 AM

32. I can't imagine anyone on this board wants any of those.

Surely everyone here will vote for the Democratic candidate.

I'm a longtime Hillary supporter, but I'm open to all candidates to convince me otherwise.

However, whoever is the candidate gets my vote.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 07:05 AM

33. Next to not supporting Wall St it is the best way to create change.

There are those that jeopardize our lives and the lives of every child that ever will be for money and there are those unattached to profits through misery.

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