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SUPERIOR, Wis. - It's not unusual for a divorce to end in anger.
But a woman who lives in Superior, Wisconsin took things to a new level this week with a traffic-stopping gesture that was carried out at the expense of her ex-husband.
The angry former spouse put all her ex-mate's belongings out on the front lawn with signs reading "Free" and "X-Husband Sale."
As if that wasn't enough, she flatted the tires of the man's SUV and spray painted the truck with the word "Cheater" in block letters.
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http://www.kare11.com/news/article/976434/391/Angry-ex-wife-puts-hate-for-husband-on-display--
Hope she gets some therapy
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)CatWoman
(79,295 posts)her actions were her "therapy"
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Many people think this is emotionally beneficial for the person venting, but studies have shown this type of behavior actually escalates the hard feelings.
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)it also seems that she didn't want to work it out. I think the "cheater" statement was her bottom line.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)if you are at the end of a relationship, and clearly this one is at the end - I know, I had one where I did something similar - it is cathartic to end it.
No vacillating. No "I'll take you back, if..." when it is clear it is time for it to end. That happens the second a partner cheats for me. You might be different, or you might be a cheater, I don't know you and won't assume.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)In one of my college classes, the professor called it "practicing anger." If you don't learn to control your anger, there is a good chance your anger will control you. (not just you, all of us)
Here is one study on the effects of "ruminating" about a person one is angry with...
http://illinois.edu/lb/files/2009/03/26/9293.pdf
Well, I vented, and I felt a hell of a lot better, and I'm still proud of myself to this day.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)I know from experience a therapist would tell her (or him, if this was a man), this is not only NOT unhealthy, but is a positive thing to do, as long as this is "it."
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Here is one...
http://illinois.edu/lb/files/2009/03/26/9293.pdf
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)As well as several divorced men and women, including myself.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I would especially like it if some of my old professors were present for the purpose of debate. That would be really, really fun for me.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)proud of myself to this day. That's not a study, that's empirical evidence.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)and definitely, so she can move on. In her mind. she took a little dignity with her, possibly.
My concern, however, is that she'll end up paying for it financially. She didn't have a right to get rid of his personal belongings, or even his SUV, even if it was the community property SUV. He'll be able to get compensation for all that stuff.
I destroyed property of ex many years ago...property that had been paid for with my hard working dollars. I felt it gave me an outlet for anger, instead of internalizing it so much, which I still did. This happens when the ex doesn't allow you to vent to him personally. And it was only right that he didn't get to keep the property that I had paid for while he was a deadbeat.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)And odds are excellent this is what will help her heal and move on.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)If peer-reviewed studies don't influence your opinions, then don't bother.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Catharsis theory predicts that rumination works best, but empirical
evidence is lacking. In this study, angered participants hit a
punching bag and thought about the person who had angered
them (rumination group) or thought about becoming physically
fit (distraction group). After hitting the punching bag, they
reported how angry they felt. Next, they were given the chance to
administer loud blasts of noise to the person who had angered
them. There also was a no punching bag control group. People in
the rumination group felt angrier than did people in the distraction
or control groups. People in the rumination group were also
most aggressive, followed respectively by people in the distraction
and control groups. Rumination increased rather than
decreased anger and aggression. Doing nothing at all was more
effective than venting anger. These results directly contradict
catharsis theory.
mythology
(9,527 posts)This is utterly juvenile behavior and indicates that she might want to take a look in the mirror to see what she can change about herself. Cheating is a horrid thing to do, but so is being consumed with hatred.
Darth_Kitten
(14,192 posts)Funny how no one seems to see that maybe those on the RECEIVING end of abuse/neglect/bad treatment don't need to be reminded what they need to do to change.
So many countless jerks out there cause untold grief to people and next to nobody tells them how they need to change.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)so if she wants to spray paint her own car, she can.
(My ex beat up my car with me and our baby in it and he couldn't be charged with vandalism because the car was considered marital property. They did, however, pop him for domestic violence in the presence of a child.)
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Their divorce is already finalized, which means that if she still has possession of the SUV or anything else, it must be her property exclusively. So essentially she's just destroying or giving away her own property in some sort of attempt to get back at her ex. Seems more than a bit screwy to me.
Darth_Kitten
(14,192 posts)You matter, too. Sad that your baby had to witness it, of course.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)this isn't therapy and it's not healthy behavior.
demosincebirth
(12,536 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)She didn't hurt herself, she didn't hurt him physically. I can't remember which movie (although I think it was Angela Bassett) where her husband left her - she emptied out his closets, dumped everything into his fancy car and set it on fire. Loved that and see nothing wrong here either.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)She did something similar in her boyfriend (NFL player Andre Rison) and starting fires didn't work out so well for her.
You can't actually ask her, though, since she died in a car accident a few years later.
As for the lady in the OP, it looks like she's giving away stuff she ended up with after the divorce, which is her's to give away.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)My ex went to jail on a DV for bashing a hole in a door. He didn't hurt himself and he didn't hurt me physically. That doesn't make it okay.
If he had taken her stuff and given it away, or vandalized it, would it be OK? Healthy behavior? Spite and vindictiveness are not healthy, good-for-you emotions.
Incidentally, it was "Waiting to Exhale" and I didn't like it in the movie ads either. Deliberately skipped the movie for that reason. Someone else watched the movie and landed in jail. Not healthy.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)Her divorce has just been finalized.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)the language suggested that it was still his stuff. So that was how I read it. Could be wrong.
Even if it wasn't, it still falls under the "laptop shooting" category of unhealthy emotional reactions.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)The women all felt better for it. Sort of a purging and cleansing of the soul along with the junk.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)My SIL's husband was caught cheating recently (phone bill text messages...keep an eye out) and it was with a married woman with two young kids.
Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)And the cheating POS deserved it.
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)Get a divorce first and then go fuck around.
Get a divorce and fuck around as much as you want.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)The spectacle triggered enough buzz that it became a must-see stop for motorists to check it out, and even stop for pictures. It created enough of a traffic hazard that Superior police decided to tow the GMC Yukon away.
Superior Police Sgt. William Lear told the newspaper there's no law against spray painting a vehicle in one's own yard.
"If it's a running vehicle and someone wants to paint their own car, they can do it," he said.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I threw my ex-es shit to the curb, too. She was female, and I drained out bank account since a lot of the money came from me.
I hope she is happy now, because there is one thing I don't put up with, and I didn't make any bones about it. I don't put up with lovers that cheat.
EDIT: And I'm female, too. I will not put up with someone cheating, and there will be consequences. changed locks, shit on the street, and bank account closed.
And you know what? I'm worth it.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)Even dogs don't shit where they sleep--they know better.
I have not one iota of sympathy for a cheater that gets caught in his/her own mess.
I made a front yard bonfire with one exes crap--even his fishing gear--the next day when I discovered that I left some of his clothes in the washing machine--I burnt them too. The cop that was dispatched to my house laughed and threw a shoe in the fire that I dropped. It felt really good.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Nice.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)and I put up with abuse...but wasn't going to put up with cheating.
The cops took him in the backyard and beat the crap out of him once for what he did to me--so they were familiar with him.
And probably secretly glad that I finally got away from him.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)We hashed it out, but that wasn't nearly as weird as what happened later.
She had the nerve to try to get me involved with a threesome on her birthday with the woman she took up with after I consented to come to herbirthday party out of goodwill. I looked at both of them like they were out of their fucking minds (which they would have to be to ask ME for such a thing), got in my car, and haven't spoken to her since.
They aren't together now, of course, since I've heard through the grapevine that they broke up, and that is hardly surprising. Sick freaking people.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I think I've been blessed even though it was painful. That was SO NOT RIGHT.
OOPS: See you responded to the other poster. In any case, it is the same thing with me, glad I got out.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Each who gets out is a symbol of hope to those trapped!
Julie
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Nobody needs to live that way with a partner that doesn't respect themself, and has no ability to respect others due to that weakness.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)I'm not even generous enough to call it a weakness.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)because I got out of it before it could be worse. I won't lie - it hurt, but not nearly as badly as it would have if I would have stayed in it. Six years was too long.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)A huge wall went up but I can attest it will never happen to me again.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'm sorry if he hit you, but when are we ever going to realize that emotional abuse is far worse.
I'd rather take a beating physically than be disrespected.
Cheating is abuse. It makes you feel like shit much longer than a bruise or even a broken bone.
(Not that I'm excusing or inviting physical abuse. I'm simply pointing out that cheating is emotional abuse that lasts far longer).
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I don't put up with that crap, and anyone that sympathizes with oathbreakers - and that is what they are, people that break their oaths of loyalty, faithfulness and love - needs to examine their own behavior.
If you don't like the relationship you are in, get out of it, and pursue the new one. Don't toy with people.
Stop being a coward and make a choice to leave. It saves everyone hurt in the future if you are honest.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Your argument is invalid.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)If some *guy* did this . . .
I'm a female . . . .
Aerows
(39,961 posts)If you don't understand why, you don't even understand the dynamics of the argument, why there was one to begin with, and the fact that it has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with power/possession issues.
Seriously. This has so little to do with which sex is doing it that it isn't funny. I know a guy that threw his girlfriends shit on the lawn for about the same reasons. Result? He didn't go to jail, she didn't go to jail, they just grew up.
You are most mistaken if you think that people can't freak out and wave their fists, saying "tomorrow is another day" while changing the locks.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)MattBaggins
(7,903 posts)if they are really really mad.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)if some guy jumped in to explain what things are like for women in this country, he'd be accused of "mansplaining" at best. Probably worse.
But no, go on and tell me, from your vast experience not being a man, what it's like to be a man.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)I feel pretty confident in that.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I don't see anything illegal here. And I also don't think anyone here would condone cheating no matter which gender is involved.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Imagine if she were just mad at the neighbor and slashed his tires. Crime? Obviously.
It doesn't magically become legal simply because it is within a relationship and the guy is a jerk.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I already mentioned that upthread.
Now, if she'd slashed the neighbor's tires, then it would be a crime because she doesn't own or co-own that property.
Marital property is co-owned. She's free to paint a car she co-owns (even if her name isn't on the title - if it existed during the marriage, it's marital property in many states - maybe all, I'm not sure) and she's free to throw out clothes that are marital property.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I get the feeling that if she would do this to her own property, then she probably has anger issues that might have caused her husband to seek the attention of a more understanding woman.
Darth_Kitten
(14,192 posts)n/t
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)I must have read over that.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)likely he'd be labeled an abusive asshole.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and you are against getting a taste of revenge against a lover that takes the most sacred part of your life together and smears it with another?
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)murder the entire family of the one who wronged him/her?
No?
So you're pro-cheating?!?!?!
See how absurd that argument is?
Cheating is wrong. Vandalism is wrong. Both people in a fight can be wrong. Not so?
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)how did things go wrong? It's a mystery best left unsolved.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Reading between the lines.
JHB
(37,158 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)"Wade through the junk on the lawn, people!!"
I'm laughing because I THREW all the junk on the lawn when I caught mine. And I didn't stick around, and that's to be expected. I'm better than that.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)It isn't a God given right, and in fact, it is a God sealed thing that you won't.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)I can tell you this from a first-person perspective.
Judges take a very dim view on the willful destruction of community property.
She just might have taken a big financial hit in any potential settlement on this one.
After my ex destroyed a vehicle held in my name, she petitioned the court to keep the one that wasn't destroyed to use until the divorce was finalized.
The judge saw otherwise.
She got the use of car that she had vandalized.
TBF
(32,047 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Who was adjudicated to be the final owner of that property?
If her ex still owned that property, and was in the process of removing it within the time frame set by the court, she will be charged.
You do not have the right to unilaterally destroy anyone's belongings, no matter how much they have wronged you.
It shows a petty, vindictive personality.
That story left out more facts than it told.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"It shows a petty, vindictive personality. "
It also shows a consequence of cheating on one's wife.
I suppose we see what we want to see...
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)It may be used as the reason, but the court is only concerned with how are the children (if any) to be cared for, and how are assets and liabilities divided.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)and could prove the cheating. I got everything.
I realize "I" might be anecdotal, but I think not. I believe it's because most people file no-fault divorce now days. I did not and it was taken very seriously.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)You almost always even get temporary alimony, along with other settlements. My cousin also sued for alienation of affection, and was awarded $7,500 by the court against the women her husband cheated with.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Had given up a career. I got instant child support and alimony.
I believe you because I went through it, too.
I didn't file for alienation of affection, though. I can't get blood out of a 'ho turnip (for the record, she also broke up her first cousin's marriage by cheating with HIM, causing HIS divorce and he had a wife and three children).
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)It does refer to him as the owner:
"As if that wasn't enough, she flatted the tires of the man's SUV"
It's far more likely that the vehicle belonged to him by decree of the recent divorce settlement, and she decided to destroy it and all of his other possessions before he was able to retrieve them. Given the obvious bitterness, nothing else makes much sense.
I hope he files charges against her.
sinkingfeeling
(51,444 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)bluedeminredstate
(3,322 posts)This was before I met him so there was no cheating involved, but she took all his stuff including his naval flight logs, childhood photos, tools and everything he hadn't gotten out of the house (since he wasn't allowed to go retrieve it) and gave away the tools and equipment and burned the rest.
Of all the stuff that was lost, his flight logs were the most upsetting for him. This happened 25 years ago and he's still upset about it. I don't think it did much to improve her outlook - she's still nasty and mean.
It was just unnecessary and destructive.
Darth_Kitten
(14,192 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Response to n2doc (Original post)
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jp11
(2,104 posts)Since it was on their property and they (police) towed it away.
Also hope the woman has to pay for this or at least have whatever assets are split/alimony paid out to her reduced by the cost of all the damage she did.
Then there is the aspect of the man having possible emotional distress from having this scene played out at his home that alone should have some bearing on her claims of distress for him cheating on her in the divorce.
davsand
(13,421 posts)For those who don't do YouTube here are the lyrics to the song I linked to:
"Before He Cheats"
Right now he's probably slow dancing with a bleached-blond tramp,
and she's probably getting frisky...
right now, he's probably buying her some fruity little drink
'cause she can't shoot whiskey...
Right now, he's probably up behind her with a pool-stick,
showing her how to shoot a combo...
And he don't know...
That I dug my key into the side of his
pretty little souped up 4 wheel drive,
carved my name into his leather seats...
I took a Louisville slugger to both headlights,
slashed a hole in all 4 tires...
Maybe next time he'll think before he cheats.
Right now, she's probably up singing some
white-trash version of Shania karaoke..
Right now, she's probably saying "I'm drunk"
and he's a thinking that he's gonna get lucky,
Right now, he's probably dabbing on
3 dollars worth of that bathroom polo...
And he don't know...
That I dug my key into the side of his
pretty little souped up 4 wheel drive,
carved my name into his leather seats,
I took a Louisville slugger to both headlights,
slashed a hole in all 4 tires...
Maybe next time he'll think before he cheats.
I might've saved a little trouble for the next girl,
'cause the next time that he cheats...
Oh, you know it won't be on me!
No...not on me
'Cause I dug my key into the side of his
pretty little souped up 4 wheel drive,
carved my name into his leather seats...
I took a Louisville slugger to both headlights,
slashed a hole in all 4 tires...
Maybe next time he'll think before he cheats.
Oh.. Maybe next time he'll think before he cheats...
Ohh... before he cheats...
While Carrie Underwood is singing the song in the video she's walking around with perfect makeup and hair looking totally glamorous. I actually don't dislike the song, but the lyrics REALLY caught my attention the first time I heard it. I have never heard destruction of property sound so gleeful before. Maybe this ex-wife is a big fan of the song...
Laura
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)hear of an angry ex destroying his wife's property. I wonder why.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)A.) Your premise may not be entirely true. Some studies suggest what you said - other suggest women still cheat far less.
B.) Most women are sneakier, imho. They don't get caught as often.
(I'm female, btw)
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)rather two separate reasons.
It was an "either, or" scenario.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)I belong to a divorce support group (where yes, the amount of men/women cheaters is pretty evenly divided) and there seem to be several reasons for this.
1 - the men didn't see it coming as much as the women did. Women hear about cheating men all the time and tend to be more suspicious by nature. Many men didn't know statistics show it's a pretty even split. Women cheaters are not often talked about and so the men were pretty much blindsided, which leads to a kind of shock at first where they are simply paralyzed with disbelief (where the women seemed to get angry right away).
2 - the men whose wives had cheated often had wives who left before they (the men) found out about the cheating, whereas the women caught their husbands cheating while they were still together and often the affair had been going on for months or even years. It seemed, within my group, that women were more likely to leave their husbands over the cheating almost immediately when they started cheating (and often gave a lot of 'warning' signs about being unhappy), while men were more likely to stick with their wives and try to cover it up and pretend everything was great, which led to a deeper anger (when you find out someone's been cheating for YEARS while pretending to love you, well that's sick).
3 - The women seemed to have more support and validation of their anger from friends and family, whereas the men were expected to 'suck it up' and 'move on'. Many of the men started dating again right away (with, yes, many disasterous results).
Just my observations.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)well said.
treestar
(82,383 posts)It's still worse for the woman though, who has less of a chance of finding someone new, the older she is.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)don't have a link.
And I don't really think it's better for the guy.
treestar
(82,383 posts)women's property on a break up. Throwing their clothes out and such things.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)but there don't seem to be nearly as many.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Some statistic?
I don't think women are more likely to do such things than men.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)I don't know if anyone has done a study on "instances of spousal property incineration following extra-marital coitus broken down by gender and property value".
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)When Will moved out on his wife and children, he found his office furniture dumped on his front lawn with a note reading, "Take it somewhere else, buster" (Salon, 2/12/98).
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1156
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)I am glad my ex and I separated congenially.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Petulant, childish and ridiculous. Makes you wonder if this kind of thing is why he strayed to begin with. Some dudes are just scummy horndogs, some dudes are driven to it. This just comes across as petty. I doubt we'll get any perspective.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Never did I state anything of the sort. Just wondered about it. It's not out of the realm of possibility.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Jello Biafra
(439 posts)KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)so they drowned and then blame an imaginary car jacking "black man" like Susan Smith in 1994.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)I hope she gets a proper diagnosis of her mental health issues, and agrees to treatment.
99Forever
(14,524 posts).. is the number of people here that sound almost giddy about this kind of revengeful destruction. Sad, but then there are opposite gender haters on both sides of the gap. Personally, I wish every "ex" in my life well, I don't need the bad Karma or the weight of carrying grudges around.
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Darth_Kitten
(14,192 posts)n/t
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Beyond the break in trust, there's the real prospect of your health being jeopardized. I'd be pretty damn pissed.
Everyone slamming this woman as needing therapy does NOT have the whole story about this relationship. What if he infected her with HIV? What if he were fucking around with the kids in the house or one of the kids was the one who found him?
Sometimes justifiable rage and anger IS the proper response, and part of the process of healing. I wouldn't dare presume.
Bake
(21,977 posts)This kind of crap is not called for, and not necessary. Was he a pig? Probably. Get the f**k over it. Leave him and be done with it. She's just making herself look bad.
Bake