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Wed Jul 29, 2015, 10:53 PM

Why we must resist the bullying of Will Pitt and others here.

Let's take a look at the account in Christopher Hedges' new book on REBELLION of the persecution of exemplary patriot Thomas Paine for his honest criticisms of government and those who govern.


Paine ... understood that despotic regimes -- and here the corporate state serves as a contemporary example -- make war on reason and rational thought. They circumscribe free speech and free assembly. They marginalize and silence critics. They seek to subjugate all institutions to despotism-- or in our case, corporate power. They use propaganda to rob people of the language to describe their daily reality and discredit those who seek radical change. The goal is to render a population politically alienated. Those who live under despotic regimes, Paine noted, are denied the ability to communicate and discuss in a national forum [the Internet?] their most basic concerns and grievances. And this suppression, Paine understood, has consequences. Said Paine: "Let men communicate their thoughts with freedom, and their indignation fly off like a fire spread on the surface; like gunpowder scattered, they kindle, they communicate, but the explosion is neither loud nor dangerous -- keep them under restraint, it is subterranean fire, whose agitation is unseen until it bursts into earthquake or volcano. Finally, Paine understood that war is always the preferred activity of despotic states, for war is "the art of conquering at home."

Paine paid for his honesty. When he returned to England where he wrote The Rights of Man, he was relentlessly persecuted by the state, as he would later be persecuted in France and in America upon his final return. John Keane, in his biography Tom Paine: A Political Life, describes some of what Paine endured as a radical in late-eighteenth-century England:

Government spies tailed him constantly on London's streets, sending back a stream of reports to the Home Secretary's office. Those parts of the press that functioned as government mouthpieces pelted him with abuse. "It is earnestly recommended to Mad Tom" snarled the Times, "that he should embark for France, and there be naturalized into the regular confusion of democracy." Broadsheets containing "intercepted correspondence from Satan to Citizen Paine" pictured him as a three-hearted, fire-breathing monster, named "Tom Stich". Open letters, often identically worded but signed with different pen names, were circulated through taverns and alehouses. "Brother Weavers and Artificers," thundered "a gentleman" to the inhabitants of Manchester and Salford, "Do not let us be humbugged by Mr. Paine, who tells us a great many Truths in his book, in order to shove of his Lies." Dozens of sermons and satires directed at Paine were published, many of them written anonymously for commoners by upper-class foes masquerading as commoners."
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THIS is why we must resist the bullying of any member of DU and especially of those who speak for liberty, democracy, and good governance.

If we would have defended Thomas Paine then, we must defend Will Pitt now.

Yes, I know that flying monkeys and hooting hyenas will arrive to mock a comparison between Pitt and Paine. I am not equating the importance of the two writers in American literature or their impact on our history.

I AM saying that the ACT OF DEFENDING THEIR SPEECH AND SAFETY IS EQUALLY IMPORTANT.

If we would have defended Thomas Paine then, we must defend Will Pitt now.

Paine: My poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars, the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive, the rational world is my friend because I am a friend of happiness--when these things can be said, then may that country boast of its constitution and its government.

*Inspired by WAGES OF REBELLION: THE MORAL IMPERATIVE OF REVOLT by Christopher Hedges, Pulitzer Prize winner. 2015 Nation Books

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 10:57 PM

1. This should go well

 

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:49 AM

80. Well, based on replies it's going better than Madonna's new song "Bitch I'm Madonna"

 

disclaimer- True Madonna fan here, but girl---

after 71+ million views-
likes-573,346 dislikes-253,565

WTF!

no mid life crises for you!

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:43 AM

152. You are one of the

 

ones that stirred this up, so I'm sure you are basking in it.

Eat your popcorn.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #152)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:23 AM

186. Huh?

 

Me?

What'd I do?

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #186)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:35 AM

192. Obviously you lack the proper amount of genuflection. You should work on that.

 


[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.
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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:46 AM

155. Oh look who decided to throw their 2 cents in...

 

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:57 AM

161. Hear that? You are now ordered to "eat your popcorn".. lol We wouldn't even be having this

conversation if the OP of "the 24 business hour thread" wasn't trying to defend the guy who is supposedly being "bullied" now. But, it's all your fault.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7013022

Did those who were scorned because they didn't buy the big scoop that "dick cheney will be indicted" ever get an apology?

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 10:57 PM

2. Defend him how?

 

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Response to pipoman (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:11 PM

16. with our own words

that's all we have -- and many, many DUers have done so. I merely say that resistance to bullying of truth tellers is as important now as it was in Paine's day.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:15 PM

20. Even in Paine's day, journalists were not immune from criticism.

Pitt can write whatever he wants. People have the right to disagree with him.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:16 PM

22. see post 19 nt

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:30 PM

30. Nor were they immune from flaws. nt

 

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:42 PM

276. You hit the nail on the head. I honestly thought, before I opened this thread, that it was about

the way the named former poster and a few of his acolytes bullied people who didn't agree with HIM! And I have seen that happen....!


Why we must resist the bullying of Will Pitt and others here.

Ah, the English language!!!

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Response to MADem (Reply #276)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:37 PM

355. I had a similar thought when I first read it.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:39 PM

34. I agree with that.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:11 AM

51. Certainly with not his...

but please proceed. I didn't see any statement about him being bullied, by himself.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 10:57 PM

3. The person who coined POSUCS with impunity was bullied? Um, no. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:05 PM

9. ^^^This!^^^

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:06 PM

11. Thank you.....Pitt wasn't bullied. He was enabled. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:12 PM

17. "Pitt wasn't bullied. He was enabled."

That is the truth. I have it bookmarked.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:07 AM

47. This...

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:16 AM

231. +1.

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:45 AM

239. Nailed it...

Real bullies (and their enablers) are known to claim victim status when confronted with their behavior.

This thread should serve as exhibit A.

Mob behavior is fascinating...

Then again, some people have the self-awareness of a doorknob.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:18 PM

23. You've served on MIRT, right?

He has had a particularly odious troll spew death threats over and over throughout the years using hundreds of accounts.

That said, it wasn't that that drove him away, but somebody making fun of a disastrously wrong stance he doubled down on 9 years ago...

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Response to Recursion (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:28 AM

133. I think you're confusing two different trolls.

The "Will Pitt troll" didn't last long (about 20 accounts). The long-lived troll you're talking about is still at it, but isn't specific to WP.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:46 AM

240. DTG hit lots of posters..... the WP troll..... the one specific to him I don't think it's been

 

Around for a very long time.......


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Response to msanthrope (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:19 AM

58. Like a broken record...

people just want to smash to bits.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:20 AM

130. Yeah, actually, a continual campaign of harassment

 

Precisely because he called a politician a mean name.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #130)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:50 AM

242. no my argument with mr. pitt over that particular OP is the factually incorrect

 

Healthcare information contained within that was never corrected. Nor did he ever update and admit that his wife got exactly what she needed. the former is inexcusable in a journalist. the latter is inexcusable in a person.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #242)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:54 AM

244. Well said...

I feel the same.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #244)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:40 PM

275. thank nou......nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #242)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:35 PM

300. Yep. It appears they are happy, healthy and thriving where they would have been denied coverage just

 

A few years ago. Not denying coverage for pre-existing is huge- and a major reason why everyone's coverage is not much cheaper than it is now. We know single payer could not happen with this congress- Obamacare barely squeaked through. We should admit it is a win, and fight for better.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:52 AM

170. So true. Talk about a non-victim.

The way the OP is written, at first it appeared to be about we need to resist Will Pitt's bullying. If anyone did the bullying, it was him.

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Response to treestar (Reply #170)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:21 AM

185. ....

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:16 PM

271. Exactly

Pitt is far from "being" bullied. To claim he was is just pure BS from his followers. I get so tired of those playing the "victim" card these days.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:00 PM

4. Calling out a professional journalist for a botched "scoop" is now "bullying"? (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:14 PM

18. ONE "mis-step", HOW long ago now?

 

Yes, it would be bullying to keep harping on that endlessly, while
conveniently ignoring 99.99% of Pitt's good work.


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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:31 PM

31. One?

Last one I read was pretty recent.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:23 AM

64. How recent was your last mis-step? nt

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #64)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:28 AM

66. What mis-step are you talking about?

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #66)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:41 AM

73. Pardon me...

I did not realize you were infallible, oh perfect one.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #73)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:47 AM

78. Link to where I said I was perfect and infallible please.

TIA.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #78)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:06 AM

93. You denied any mis-steps. (nt)

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #93)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:10 AM

95. Yes I do.

Care to point them out to me.

Links and comments if you please.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #95)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:24 AM

104. Nah...

you're too perfect for me.

All hail the glorious "sheshe2".

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #104)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:28 AM

105. Not surprised ....

all that stuff got not one, yet several hides.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #105)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:43 AM

111. All I can say at this point is...

whoosh.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #66)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:23 AM

131. Maybe he means this garbage:

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #131)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:03 AM

162. Ha! No perfection here! nt

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #131)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:16 PM

259. ^^^this^^^

 

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #64)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:54 AM

171. Come on, that was a pretty huge mis-step

And why shouldn't he be called out on that? Too funny. You wouldn't give anyone else a break.

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Response to treestar (Reply #171)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:55 AM

222. I'm missing something here ...

 


I recall several instances where his prognostications were, not just off; but, flat out wrong. I keep reading about the "mis-step" but must have missed, both, the "mis-step", and the thread calling out the "mis-step." It must have been a big'un, if it led to his exit.


I feel SOOOOO behind the curve!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #222)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:16 AM

230. Remember in 2006 when Jason Leopold reported

that Rove was going to be indicted? It was Truthout's big scoop. Will Pitt was on DU claiming that and that's we'd soon see Rove frogmarched. That turned out to be wrong. Randomly 9 years later, someone made a thread recalling that. This apparently was bullying Pitt which caused him to leave DU (again). At least the OP so claims. And that's it's what happened to Thomas Paine. You know those bullies that caused Paine to quit writing (or in real comparison, caused Paine to quit making his opinions known at the local tavern).



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Response to treestar (Reply #230)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:41 AM

236. Really? That's it? ...

 

"Bullying" means something completely different in my neighborhood.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #236)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:31 PM

294. I know!

And surely as a journalist/author/pundit he can handle that at DU - it could come from another pundit and be far worse!

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Response to treestar (Reply #230)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:00 PM

245. Leopold reported that Rove HAD BEEN indicted. Past tense...

And that Rove had been give 24 hours to get his affairs in order.

Then, when Rove wasn't frog-marched, 24 hours became "24 business hours".

Pitt responded to skepticism with the self-deleted but preserved at Kos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/05/15/210390/-Breakin-Will-Pitt-Home-From-Pub-Wilson-Leopold-Source



The martyr status being ascribed to Mr. Pitt is pretty unbelievable.



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #245)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:32 PM

296. Amen.

That was quite a weekend at DU.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #245)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:15 PM

330. not to mention getting tombstoned for getting drunk and saying he'd punch supposedly homeless DUer

bobbolink in the face...

...or that other time he got drunk and threated to gut a DUer and leave them to bleed out in a roadside ditch.

for most people here, just one threat of violence like that would be cause for a permanent banning...

vhat? vas you shaying shumthing, about being a martyr.. to meeee?

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Response to treestar (Reply #230)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:13 PM

284. "Randomly 9 years later"

 

LOL! You shouldn't lie like that, your nose will grow.

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Response to Rex (Reply #284)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:33 PM

297. Are you asserting that it is a plot of some kind?

Someone didn't just happen to bring it up?

Maybe it was the BFEE.

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Response to treestar (Reply #297)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:34 PM

299. Yes I know how you love the BFEE and like to pretend people are making stuff up about Bush etc..

 

Next.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #222)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:16 PM

285. It's nothing really, concern trolls wanted to piss off Pitt and they did.

 

The drama around all this is funny and amusing coming from the people that hate him the most (oddly enough the same group started all this drama).

It was just a slow day in GD and everyone was being polite, so the concern trolls thought they would shit stir in GD and they did. Same shit, different day, different target.

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Response to treestar (Reply #171)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:29 PM

293. STRAWMAN. No one is being critical of calling someone on their mistakes. Bullying comes

 

in when multiple people start to post over and over with ridicule and mockery, based on self-righteousness.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #293)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:35 PM

301. Waste of time, this little group is giddy about Pitt and his leaving.

 

The fact that they got caught bullying him and now they are crybabying about it in this thread - shows how small and shallow they are.

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Response to Rex (Reply #301)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:45 PM

314. As I said in another thread, those that hate Will because they think he seeks attention,

 

sure give him a lot of attention. I'm willing to bet that if he returns, he will do so because of the haters and not for adulation.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:15 PM

21. "Bullying" has been expanded to such a degree that it's a meaningless term.

I was watching some toons and a commercial came on about bullying. What was the identified 'bullying' behaviour? Preferring to sit with your friends instead of a stranger.

That's a far stretch from getting the shit kicked out of you on a regular basis.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:37 PM

33. And, the OP of that thread was defending him. yes, poor will.. he's not the "bully".. it's everybody

else who was scorned.. and owed an apology for not buying into the scoop that "dick cheney will be indicted".

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Response to Cha (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:30 AM

70. Let us not forget...

the nastiness you spewed against Hillary Clinton in her last campaign for the Presidency.

Do you really want to bring up old threads? Yours are not all that pretty.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #70)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:46 AM

77. So? You trying to threaten me because I said members that were scorned who didn't buy into the"dick

cheney indictment" were owed an apology?

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Response to Cha (Reply #77)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:03 AM

90. I don't think so.

Keep trying.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #90)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:05 AM

92. Good.

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Response to Cha (Reply #92)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:20 AM

103. Well OK.

I guess we can lay to rest Will Pitt's past posts.

If Cha gets a clean slate, we all get a clean slate. Amirite?

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #103)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:13 AM

127. I don't need "a clean slate".. I was against Hillary in 2008 and now I am for her. If you want to

bring up posts from then.. be my guest.

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Response to Cha (Reply #127)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:05 AM

163. So you were against he til you were for her.

 

How arrogant.

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Response to elias49 (Reply #163)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:54 AM

168. "How arrogant"?

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Response to elias49 (Reply #163)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:01 AM

175. Things can change

Are you saying it is arrogant to change one's views? Then you expect no one to ever change their views? You would not if you found out more information about something?

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Response to elias49 (Reply #163)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:59 AM

201. You're comparing Cha changing an opinion to WilliamPitt never admitting he was wrong?

 

How are these two things remotely the same?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.
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Response to elias49 (Reply #163)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:52 AM

210. A lot of people who were against her

will, in all probability, be for her a year from now. Either than or they will be facilitating the GOP's electoral chances.

I was against Clinton in 2008 too. Different time, different election, different candidates.

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Response to Cha (Reply #127)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:57 AM

211. Is a group of turkeys a 'gaggle'?

 

They're all coming together! Woohoo!

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Response to elias49 (Reply #211)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:44 PM

313. What? you can't handle the replies to your pronouncement of me that I'm "arrogant"?

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Response to Cha (Reply #313)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:18 PM

331. Nope. Not a gaggle. It's called a 'rafter'!

 

Part of the rafter showed up. Some decided to hide this one out.

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Response to elias49 (Reply #331)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:20 PM

333. You poor thing.. posters reading this thread pushed back at you.. and you think it's a conspiracy.

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Response to Cha (Reply #333)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:54 PM

349. This isn't my thread. Wake up

 

and go throw some flowers around.

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Response to elias49 (Reply #349)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:39 AM

372. You "wake up".. no one said it was "your" thread.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:49 PM

35. Yes it is bullying. And it's a tactic that is used by a certain small group here, it's stalking and

it's childish. I can't imagine wasting time digging back years to find something to try to USE against another person.

What was the purpose, was there a goal, was there something important to accomplish? I didn't see the mess, whatever it was, I DID the attempt to bully and thankfully a majority of DUers responded and let the bullies know what they think of them.

If this is how DU is supposed to work, where small groups dig into people's years old comments then stalk them with them. HEY we can ALL do that, probably far better.

I'm game, let's make that a community standard. Everyone go digging for comments and statements of people they are jealous of or disagree with or dislike for one reason or another and let's turn DU into what these stalkers whoever they are, want it to be. Maybe they won't like it so much when the tables are turned.

What fun. Wait, I'm SURE there is nothing they have ever said or done that anyone could possibly dig up and throw at them.

I do think we all should do it for a week, let's see what DU looks like if we emulate the small group who spends their time on something so petty.

On second thought, let's not. What a waste of intelligence and time and effort.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #35)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:55 PM

39. I'm quite familiar with that certain group. +1

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #39)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:59 PM

45. Everyone is familiar with them. Didn't see the thread or threads, but bet I could name them as

could we all.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #45)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:14 AM

54. Damn skippy, my dear sabrina1.

As could we all.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #35)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:55 PM

40. Lorde got bullied but she made it! Via the Intertubes!

 

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #35)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:26 AM

65. I 100% AGREE WITH YOU!!!!!

Yes it is bullying. And it's a tactic that is used by a certain small group here, it's stalking and it's childish.


Yet I don't believe we are talking about the same peeps! Oh, wait let me change that small to large.

Night night.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #65)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:47 AM

114. Again...

whoosh.

Yet I think you understand perfectly.

This is starting to be fun. Yes? No?

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #114)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:57 AM

119. You.

Again.

Whoosh indeed.

Have a wonderful life.

Bye.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #35)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:28 AM

67. And that indeed is the goal...chaos.

Because nothing shuts people up like it...and runs them off.
And when they have run people off and there is nothing left that is allowed to be discussed they will have won control of the message.

But don't think doing it to them will have any effect on their behavior at all...all can be rationalized and turned around to accuse you...the method is well tested and practiced.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #67)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:57 AM

83. True, but it isn't working. They are still a minority and a most unpopular one, and you can't

influence anything, when all you do is turn people off.

There is no self awareness, I agree, so no doubt they think they are accomplishing something, blind to the reality that most people either have them on ignore or just pass them by, or as you say, leave, since they make DU seem like a children's playground and would prefer to spend their time with adults.

Not sure what the goal is, and don't really care much to be honest. It's not my problem, thankfully

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #83)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:10 AM

98. You are right...there are plenty of adults here to converse with.

No need to waste your time with them.
But I admit I have in the past, and it has been a learning experience for me.

It hurts when some of them leave, but we have not depleted the stock by a long shot...so yes they have failed.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #98)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:48 AM

115. Mostly I ignore them, what they have to say is always so boringly predictable and I like a challenge

But I have played with them sometimes, if I want to use them to help kick a good thread eg. Mostly though, I find myself attracted to more intelligent conversation and barely notice them.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #83)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:51 AM

141. Here is what woo me with science said about that:

Their goal is not to convince anyone of anything.

It is to thoroughly hijack, pollute and therefore eliminate public spaces where real discussion and organization can occur. Occupy is disbanded with clubs and pepper spray. Dissent and organization online are disrupted with surveillance and propaganda.

It is no accident that propaganda brigades post new threads on discussion boards far out of proportion to their presence in the community, and that they nearly *always* demand the last word in any interchange.

The goal is to disrupt the important public space for liberal thought, discussion, and organization that these boards offer, and to keep the participants busy instead batting off the corporate lies and talking points.

woo me with science Sun Jul 28, 2013


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Response to bvar22 (Reply #141)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:02 AM

144. As always, Woo gets it right. I know they are not interested in rational discussion.

Whatever their goals are they are NOT to discuss issues. I realized a long time ago that even if you provided absolute proof of something to them, the responses will be the same.

They are best ignored. Don't know what really happened re Will Pitt, but I knew when I saw who posted the phony 'appreciation thread' pretty much what was going on.

I miss woo me with science!

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Response to zeemike (Reply #67)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:00 AM

174. And yet you are still here.

After all that "bullying." Like people supporting Democrats and disagreeing that they are all disappointing corporate suck ups. I guess this very post is bullying you. I suppose you are going to leave now.

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Response to treestar (Reply #174)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:49 AM

198. Not at all, bullying makes me stronger and more determined.

I rather enjoy standing up to bullies...becaise basically they are cowards who prey on those among us that have the sense and good nature not to fight...and I respect those peaceful souls more than I do myself.

But no that post is not bullying...you asked questions I was happy to answer.

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Response to treestar (Reply #174)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:51 PM

358. Are you suggesting that zeemlike doesn't support Democrats and if so, prove it. Sick to death of

nasty attack on people who have done more to get Democrats elected in this country since they were old enough to vote, than all those USING the false accusation put together.

THAT is another form of bullying. And that kind of passive aggressive bullying 'you don't belong to OUR club' must be challenged every time it appears on this site.

So either prove your claim, or those reading can determine that a false claim with no backup was made and that is exactly what it is.

Many Dems are 'corporate sucks' to use your phrase AND we can prove that. I will be more than happy to do so.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #358)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:07 AM

389. You don't support Democrats either

Find a post to where you ever said anything positive about a Democrat.

And don't call it bullying.

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Response to treestar (Reply #174)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:11 PM

405. I doubt you can "push" him out. But sadly many good people have been bullied out. It's a

 

game to some. One told me it was merely "house cleaning".

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #35)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:01 AM

88. I agree it was nasty and unnecessary

and I have no idea what prompted it. I certainly didn't join in any of it. However, I think someone who is so aggressive in his criticism of others should be prepared to take some himself. He publishes under his own name on a news site. That constitutes being in the public eye of sorts. That means he is going to get criticism. There are people here who have taken far worse, far more nasty personal attacks and haven't left or generated this degree of sympathy.

I certainly do not agree with the OP's comparison with Thomas Paine. That is over the top.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #88)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:38 AM

109. Critisim is fine, bullying is something entirely different, and digging up garbage from

years ago in order to do so, which has no significance to anything that is relevant today, which is what I understand was what happened, is just plain stupid to be honest.

How about using that energy to go after the MSM 'journalists' who LIED this country into a devastating war that is still ongoing? What someone said on a blog that is unknown to the rest of the world years ago? THAT will do WHAT to contribute to anything, other than satisfy some personal grudge.

When it gets personal, it has nothing to do with honest criticism, and when something that is insignificant is dragged up over and over and over again, something NO ONE cares about except for those who are holding on to some kind of personal grudge against another person, no matter whether or not that person is the nicest person in the world, it just reminds me of the far right attacks on Clinton. There was an agenda that was not going to do this country any good and in the end it was the attackers who thoroughly disgusted a majority of Americans. When there is an agenda other than offering constructive criticism, it is simply bullying and no decent person wants anything to do with it.

Good for you for not participating, most people apparently did not. Most people were simply disgusted.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #109)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:51 AM

116. I didn't even know what that thread was about

until someone explained it to me.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #116)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:11 AM

125. I didn't see the thread, but from comments from other people, I got the gist of it and wondered why

anyone would be dragging up something from a decade ago other than to use it for some personal vendetta.

I do not know WP on a personal level, but I despise bullying and despise even more, passive aggressive dishonesty and deception from people whose own 'records' leave an awful lot to be desired, to say the least and in fact should cause them to mind their own business since someone might decide to raise their own past history.

The hypocrisy was so stunning it was THAT rather than to defend WP that got so many people involved at all

Criticize constructively all someone may want, no one will object to that. That is not what happened here.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #125)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:13 AM

128. I saw you say you could name the people without even reading the thread

I think that unfair, to whomever you had in mind. I know that I didn't recognize the OP. You may, but I wasn't familiar with him. Seems to me it's not right to make such assumptions without looking at the thread.
Also, you're characterizing a thread you didn't even read. I don't know how you can be so sure it's bullying without having actually read it.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #128)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:25 AM

132. I've been here a long time, I know who drags this stuff over and over again.

Things get boringly consistent after a while, I have no desire to read stuff repeatedly every time it is dragged up by the same people. If I'm wrong, which I doubt, no harm is done since I have not named them.

As for the OP, he is well known and is fortunate that most of us are not interested in doing what was done to WP unless he chooses to set himself up as a judge of other people.

I'm wondering if that is the only way to stop this as it appears some people are obsessed enough that they simply cannot stop. Same thing with the Cave, same old stuff re WP. They too are obsessed with it, but we are not them, and it should not be happening here. The place is becoming like that place and who wants to spend time obsessing over DUers personal blogging history as they do?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #132)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:39 AM

137. Someone just told me that OP was defending Will

Perhaps there had been an ongoing discussion in the middle of a thread somewhere?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #128)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:28 AM

134. the OP who posted "The thread" was defending him.. some got on to say they never did get an

apology for being scorned for not buying into the scoop that "dick cheney will be indicted".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7013022

We wouldn't be having this conversation if a defender of the old report hadn't brought it to everyone's attention.

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Response to Cha (Reply #134)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:37 AM

135. Really? See, I don't even understand it

I just know the summary I got and how it related to an old thing about Rove.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #135)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:41 AM

138. Yeah, ironic isn't it? Something that I haven't seen anyone bring up but this voice in the

wilderness.

"24 business hours" [View all]

I strongly suspect that Karl Rove to be indicted from TruthOut was due to an insider to deceive and give the impression it was about to happen to ridicule them for not turning to be accurate. I have a feeling anyway."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7013022

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #109)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:08 AM

122. As eloquently as you stated that...

I think there is a small percentage here on DU that will forever hold on to their pretend offense.

They damned sure don't like being called out on their own offenses.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #122)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:06 PM

257. Which makes you wonder, is the real offense what is dragged up from the past

or simply the fact that there are people in the world who just don't agree with them, on politics or whatever.

We all drag up old posts and years old events but when you have a real issue, that is not what you do, you address it, try to resolve it, if you do fine, if not you do NOT hang on to grudges for years and years.

Unless there is something else going on.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #257)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:20 PM

286. The concern trolls got caught yanking Pitt's chain and he yanked back.

 

Seriously, they are the most pathetic and petty group of people I've ever seen on this website. They are ALL in here right now, crybabying all over the place about how Pitt is getting treated too well...as if they have an honest bone in their body. So YES, it is something else...GD was slow and everyone was getting along.

You know how the swarm hates it when GD is polite and people are having a good time. At least their drama show blew up in their faces and now everyone and their dog knows who they are and what their agenda is.

It is getting harder from them to shit stir and not get yelled at by most of the forum, something they are not use to.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #257)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:53 PM

409. This ^^^

It reminds of a child who was just told "NO".

I have dealt with those tantrums (from both children and grand-children) more times than I care to remember.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #88)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:02 AM

176. +1

Well put.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #88)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:37 PM

250. I did not liken Pitt to Paine..

...as I explained in the OP, except to say that they were both hounded by those who would shut them up and that those of us who stand for liberty and democracy and good governance should not tolerate attacks on Pitt now if we would not have tolerated attacks on Paine then.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #250)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:53 PM

266. Yet why is criticism of Pitt so much worse than other attacks?

Such as those I discuss here? http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7025821

Having been the target of a number of those, I fail to see why he is so much more equal than the rest of us. That is, in fact, an ongoing struggle I have understanding the views of some on this site. How is it that some members, some public figures, some politicians, and some citizens are so much more valuable than, superior to, others?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #266)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:44 PM

339. notice my subject line in the head

"and others here"

Not edited, that is the original subject line.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #339)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:14 AM

390. Not convincing

You didn't post threads insisting people defend members in those situations, that I have seen anyway. You did so because Will got grief for an article he wrote 9 years ago. How about Bobolink? Did you post a thread for her? Because really, stuff like that, death and rape threats and continual, continual insults, strike me as worse than criticism for an old article. Not that I see much point of resurrecting something that old. I don't. I agree it was uncalled for and mean-spirited, but this portrait of a martyr being painted in this thread is extreme, particularly in comparison to much worse, more dangerous sorts of comments others have been subjected to.

Not only that, you don't even express concern about any of what I mentioned. An off handed comment that they are included in the term "others." No, I don't believe they are. I see running throughout the comments in this thread a hierarchy of intrinsic human worth equated to sameness of thought, life experiences, and adherence to political orthodoxy.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #35)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:58 AM

173. Unbelievable

Un fucking believable! A high profile journalist is bullied if called out on a major mistake! What a double standard! Such hypocrisy! Then no more comments about Hillary and Goldwater or what Obama disappointed you on way back on 2009!

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Response to treestar (Reply #173)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:26 PM

261. Are you telling ME 'no more comments about Hillaryu and Goldwater or what

Obama disappointed you on the way back on 2009?'

Not to worry, I focus on issues. And if you're comparing an online journalist to the President of the US, and calling it a double standard to point out POLICIES, such as the TPP or the Pipeline on which these politicians have enormous power to influence, I can see why you are using all those little roly poly guys. It IS laughable.

Bullying is bullying and doing what the cavers do eg, obsessing over a DUer and dragging up decade old material to try use as a weapon, IS just that.

If I want to see obsession with DUer Will Pitt and read over and over again about a decade old, out of ALL the work he has done, irrelevant issue, I can just go that dark, dank, hatefilled place where most normal people do not go.

I don't expect to see that garbage here.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #261)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:35 PM

302. Why is a President of the US not allowed to make errors and a journalist can?

I think journalists would hold themselves to a high standard too. Everyone makes errors and mistakes. Have you not done your share of criticism of others? If it's bullying for one then it is for the people you criticized too.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #35)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:00 AM

202. You're assuming that one thread was the brainchild of a group?

 

I'm sure you'd make the further assumption that I was part of the group but I'm here to tell you I am never invited to those meetings.
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Response to randome (Reply #202)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:46 AM

205. Note that she said she hasn't read the thread. nt

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #205)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:00 AM

213. Right. But it has that distinctive 'air' about it, I suppose.

 

IOW, it's something she doesn't like.
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Response to BainsBane (Reply #205)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:51 PM

320. Note that 'she' explained why no one who's been here for a long time, needs to read

that old familiar, boring, redundent nonsense to take a wild guess as to who is dragging it all up, AGAIN, and again, and again.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #320)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:05 PM

327. You're making assumptions

casting aspersions based on your preexisting views of members rather than evidence. It turns out that thread was actually--at least ostensibly--in defense of Will. I also commented on what is denounced as bullying around here and what isn't. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7025821
I would never accuse you of being a bully. While I nearly always disagree with you, I appreciate the fact you pretty much stick to the subject matter, at least when interacting directly with someone. The same can't be said for others who agree with you on a host of issues, however.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #327)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:45 PM

357. Bernie's website had a map of the country showing where people were

holding house events last night. I honestly thought this area would have nothing, but when I put the zip code in, I was amazed at how many there were within an hour or two from where we are.

Go to Bernie's website and look at the menu, volunteers eg, I don't have it right next to me at the moment, but I think you can find who is in your area from there.

If not, look on google for groups who are supporting him in your state or city.

There are now literally thousands across the country so there should be some near you.

The map might still be available somewhere, that was a great way to contact people holding house parties etc.

I have to run, but I'll try to get more info for you later.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #357)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:09 PM

362. You responded to the wrong post, Sabrina. nt

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Response to randome (Reply #202)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:37 AM

235. And, I suspect my name popped into her mind, too ...

 

but until I read through some links here, I had no idea what was going on.

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Response to randome (Reply #202)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:43 PM

252. Wrong randome, I would not have assumed that. Believe it or not I would not put

you in that category. We have disagreed but you have never been mean spirited or nasty about it. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me especially when they do it civilly, as you have done.

Even though you are wrong and I am right most of the time

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #252)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:23 PM

288. ...

 

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #35)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:03 AM

227. And who might that small childish stalking group be? ...

 

I doubt that the membership of your group matches the group I have identified.

And I suspect, other DUers would identify different posters, as well.

PM me, if you wish.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #227)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:07 PM

404. How clever. You know if she identifies them she will get the hammer. I guess that's one

 

way to deal with those you don't agree with. Alert, lock, hide, ban.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #404)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:32 PM

406. How clever of you NOT to read the last line of my post ...

 

You know ... the:

PM me, if you wish.


part.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #406)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:50 PM

408. Oh I see, trust you not to devulge what she tells you.

 

I believe she is referring to a small number of non-progressives that think they need to control the discussion via alerting, locking, hiding, and banning.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #408)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:36 PM

410. I got that from her post. n/t

 

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #35)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:40 PM

307. It's worse than just digging up something from the past, the bullying comes in when

 

they get the usual suspects together and bombard a thread with post after post of ridicule and mockery. The justification is that the victim "deserves it". And isn't that always the justification?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #307)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:48 PM

317. Well, maybe we should all do the same thing, because we think someone 'deserves it'???

They might get a shock to find out, if this becomes the norm here, how many people think the same thing about THEM.

I'm of the opinion that those handing it out would not be too good at taking it. As a matter of fact considering the pushback they are getting from the community, it's obvious they are not great at handling what the community thinks of THEM.

It's always the same with bullying.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #317)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:38 PM

337. Some problems. One is some spend their time bullying because they don't have any

 

contribution for real issues. There might be a pet issue or two that they will comment but other than that they have a lot of free time. I believe the best response to a bully is to ignore them if you can. Sometimes it isn't possible. They love to drag you into their world of ridicule, harassment and mockery. And they are most likely better and for sure willing to spend more time on it. If one does feel it necessary to confront a bully, do so calmly and with intelligence. They hate that. And move on. They will try to drag you down. If one lashes back, one loses. I offer this advice for free and it's worth every cent. I don't always follow said advice but I try.

Also, there is the old saying that one should never wrestle a pig in mud, yatta, yatta, yatta....

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #337)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:43 PM

338. Good post, and advice. Talking about issues seems to be avoided you are right.

There are probably reasons for that.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:54 PM

37. If it's 9 years old - I call it vindictive.

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #37)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:37 PM

303. No no no...just random, yep yep.

 

It is funny watching them crybaby so much about getting caught bullying someone.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:00 PM

325. If you mention he threatened a homeless woman

You are simply de clase.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:01 PM

6. Remember his irredeemable fuckwit gif

which he would use in response to posters he disagreed with? Never hidden either. Pitt rules. He was a spoiled bully.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:05 PM

8. First, cast the first stone.

Irony!

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:14 AM

129. No, I'm glad I missed that.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:04 PM

7. I predict

 

This thread will bring out the bullies and you will see them by their fruits.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:06 PM

12. yep

as predicted

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Response to grasswire (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:54 AM

82. They are~



Just not the ones YOU were referring to, but ya the are here.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #82)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:11 AM

126. Hah (nt)

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:16 AM

57. let's call them what they really are: FUCKING COWARDS

*THAT* is what bullies really are

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Response to Skittles (Reply #57)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:22 AM

62. you left out TWISTED SADISTIC AUTHORITARIAN

before the FUCKING COWARDS part, otherwise amen, sister!

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Response to carolinayellowdog (Reply #62)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:30 AM

69. I WILL KICK TWISTED SADISTIC AUTHORITARIAN ASS

YES INDEED

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Response to Skittles (Reply #69)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:11 AM

204. There's a hell of a lot of name calling going on in this thread

What brought it all on? Was there an OP with name calling in?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #204)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:26 AM

217. Yes. I'm tired of the OMG-yer-an-authoritarian-bully-third-way-anti-progressive-strawman-poster-

jealous-stalker-swarming-corporatist-Rove-and-TPP-lover-conservative-blah-blah-blah-insults hurled about. Is it too much to ask that the name-callers think of new words to insult us now and again?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #204)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:26 PM

289. And you are right in the middle of it, as usual.

 

No dog in this hunt right? Concern trolls disrupt GD and you are defending them, my I am shocked.

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Response to Rex (Reply #289)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:38 PM

305. I'm not 'defending concern trolls'; I'm against them

In this thread, I'm criticising the name-calling that is disrupting GD.

I have also criticised someone telling a DUer they are 'too emotionally involved'; said that we don't know why Pitt has said he was leaving; and said that this is not something to worry about, and it will sort itself out.

I'm saying people are getting all concerned over nothing.

No, I don't have a dog in this hunt. I'm not a strong supporter of Hillary or Bernie. I don't have strong opinions for or against Will Pitt.

If you want to talk about it, you can PM me and tell me who you think are 'concern trolls' that I'm defending.

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Response to Corruption Inc (Reply #221)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:12 PM

283. when I say "them"

I am going far past the folk who trash Bernie

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Response to Skittles (Reply #57)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:23 PM

278. Jury: 5-2

to "leave it."

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #278)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:11 PM

282. well

it's to see cowards being struck down

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Response to Skittles (Reply #282)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:01 AM

370. I'm confident

that you know how I voted. And not just because I think so highly of you, either.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #370)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:46 AM

388. WOOT!

aw man wouldn't it fun to be a fly on the IM walls - so much SH** to land on

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #278)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:27 PM

290. That's because the jury knows she is right about this.

 

Cowards getting into a group to disrupt GD, sadly same shit - different day.

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Response to Rex (Reply #290)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:02 AM

371. I agree.

It's no surprise what cluster of people it is.

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Response to Rex (Reply #290)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:43 AM

386. and I will ALWAYS KICK COWARD ASS

yes INDEED

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:29 AM

68. I predict some more cool videos Mr. Earl of DU

 




RIP Tupac!

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:05 PM

10. thread #18 +100 posts over under 40 points

 

FYI-

somebody has a GBCW post on a random message board doesn't = the greatness of Thomas Paine LOL



They used to express opinions to each other with the spoken word, not the intertubes

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:07 PM

13. thank you for fulfilling my prediction. nt

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Response to grasswire (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:08 PM

15. no problem, are you in on the bacon thread?

 

it is yummy!

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:08 PM

14. Supporting his freedom of speech...

does not mean that he should be immune to criticism, and I don't equate criticism with bullying. I for one am not prepared to put William Pitt on a pedestal.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:14 PM

19. you are correct

bullying and criticism are not the same. But "criticism" is generally not characterized by the tactics of repression or propaganda. Paine was bullied. And Pitt is bullied. The method of communication is different. The intent is the same, to shut him up.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:18 PM

25. I generally don't click on any OPs by Pitt.

Last edited Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:57 AM - Edit history (1)

I don't like him or his style. Since I usually stay away from his OPs and almost always refrain from even replying to him, I probably haven't seen as many of his interactions as you have. I will say, though, that I've never seen any instances of him being bullied. In my experience, he's more bully than victim, and I don't feel the need to support someone like him.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:12 AM

53. I agree completely.

I did read his OPs from time to time. But I never replied to him. He reminded me of an entitled high school athlete.

We have other thoughtful, interesting writers who post great OPs. People like McCamy Taylor and H20 Man come to mind. NanceGreggs rants, but she doesn't rant at her fellow DUers. She gets us to think. I learn from Omaha Steve.

I would rather interact with any of those people.

Pitt will come back. He has done this before.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #53)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:29 PM

292. This^

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:15 AM

56. I don't either he became full of himself.........

some people defending him haven't been here for the long haul or more that 10 yrs....we have seen & read.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #56)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:36 AM

71. I've always gotten the impression he thought he was a celebrity...

and that he thought we should all be grateful he chose to post here.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #71)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:12 AM

164. We all make mistakes.

 

'Impressions' are just that: impressions.
Dig deeper.

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Response to elias49 (Reply #164)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:40 PM

356. Reasonable people can disagree.

My impression hasn't changed.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:45 AM

154. I agree.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:07 AM

94. Repression and propaganda?

Seriously? That thread seemed to be an out of nowhere resurrection of a past mistake, but it does't rise to the level of repression or propaganda. Mocking, yes.

Your analogies and descriptions are way over the top.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:59 AM

120. I don't really know him on a personal level, and no one belongs on any pedestal. But when

someone is being being attacked, even if I don't like that person, I will do what I can to support that person and stop the bullies.

After that I can go back to disagreeing with the person, or ignoring them or whatever.

The problem for those who decide to chose to be nasty to other people is that EVEN IF they originally have a point, that point gets lost when THEIR behavior is worse than whatever they were upset about in the beginning.

A perfect example is how the Far Right loonies went after Clinton using his weakness wrt to women to do so. They became so vicious and nasty that even those who didn't like Clinton, ended up despising THEM more.

If they really thought that a president engaging in sexual activity with an intern was unacceptable, there were civil ways to handle that. Instead they revealed more about themselves than about him and ended up being despised by a majority of the people.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:18 PM

24. 'If we would have defended Thomas Paine then, we must defend Will Pitt now'

 

you're really comparing a guy on a messageboard to Thomas Paine?

really?

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Response to HFRN (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:21 AM

61. Thats funny because 6 people showed up to send off old Paine in the end..

I'm really taken back by the drama. Pitt will find his way back from some Boston bar stool in the not to distant future.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #61)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:00 AM

85. Alcoholism is a serious, often fatal disease

 

Have a nice day

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Response to HFRN (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:13 AM

99. go back and read the thread. nt

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Response to HFRN (Reply #24)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:02 PM

403. You totally missed the message. You are implying that Thomas Paine was more

 

important than Will and therefore the need to "defend" changes. That type of rational hasn't helped the race issue one bit.

And there is a big difference in defending someone and putting them on a pedestal. Pretending to not know that is absurd. Personally I can take Will or leave him. I disagree with some of what he says and does, but I will defend him, as others here, that get attacked by those thinking their self-righteousness gives them that right.

Self-righteousness is the devil's masterpiece to make us think well of ourselves." Thomas Adams

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:21 PM

26. Where was he being bullied? I haven't noticed people attacking him. n/t

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:21 PM

27. here's a more accurate comparison, than Thomas Paine

 

'Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close up'

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Response to HFRN (Reply #27)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:26 PM

28. Lol!

 

DRAMA!!!!!

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Response to HFRN (Reply #27)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:54 PM

38. I asked you before, but you didn't respond. Since you are a new poster, but seem to be

oddly focused on WP, do you know him personally? Because you do seem to have a deep connection to someone you don't know, assuming a month on a forum is your only knowledge of him. Where did you meet, how did you get to know each other? Not on DU obviously.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #38)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:44 AM

158. Over 800 posts in a month

They've been here before...




 

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #38)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:10 AM

179. whats's with the stalking, sabrina?

 

can't you just tug your ear, and get the answer yourself?

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Response to HFRN (Reply #179)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:30 PM

248. What's with not answering a simple question? I feel like WE have met before,

somewhere. Your use of the word 'stalking' and the pics, yes, I think we have. Maybe on another forum??

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #248)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:04 PM

268. 'Maybe on another forum??'

 

maybe you have me confused with a warlock you met at a caldron?



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Response to HFRN (Reply #268)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:09 PM

269. Keep going, it gets more familiar with each response.

A couple more and I'll probably be certain.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #269)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:15 PM

270. OH NO!!!!!

 

I've given myself away!!!! lol

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Response to HFRN (Reply #270)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:22 PM

272. A long time ago!

Btw, thanks for kicking the thread!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #272)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:25 PM

273. tell me, who am I then?

 

Enquiring mind wants to know

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #248)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:31 PM

295. I agree with your observations. nm

 

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:27 PM

29. He was not bullied. He gave as good as he got and THEN SOME.

 

Will Pitt is certainly NOT a VICTIM.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:38 AM

72. No offense...

You give as good as you get.

You certainly are not a victim, but like Will Pitt, you play the part well.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #72)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:45 AM

76. I am definately NEVER a victim. I am a strong woman and I do not need to play a role.

 

I say what I mean, I mean what I say, and artifice is not in my nature. I know I give as good as I get, I'm PROUD of that fact. I do not shrink, I find the humor in life, and I always look to the future and find solutions.
Many people have a problem with my bluntness. Too bad. Many had a problem with his. Too bad. He was NOT a VICTIM. He gave as good as he got and then some. I said that because it is the same way I feel about myself. Although unlike him, I have never threatened to beat another member to death, have not been banned for any reason, and do not call our Democratic president a piece of shit anything.

Oh, and I know when someone starts out with 'No offense' they intend to offend me in the worst way possible, on purpose, to try to hurt me.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #76)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:00 AM

86. Come on bravenak...

you know you are one of my favorite posters on DU.

You don't cry victim but people just jump to defend you as though you are.

Just like people jump to defend Will Pitt, even though he doesn't cry victim.

I love your bluntness. It is the very reason that this was my first reply to you since you said you were sick of hearing from Bernie Sanders supporters.

Pardon my bluntness.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #86)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:47 AM

139. Awesome. I'm glad.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #76)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:10 AM

96. Yes, you are a strong woman.. and if people push back against those attacking you.. it doesn't mean

they think you're a "victim". They are speaking out against the egregiousness of the racists attacks.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #76)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:07 AM

121. OMG. You should create course to teach a class of students this.

It is the definition of integrity and abiding strength. The world needs much more of this.



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Response to freshwest (Reply #121)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:07 AM

146. I wish I could.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:54 AM

81. I know.. and, then if you speak up and say he's not the victim.. they try to turn it on us.

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Response to Cha (Reply #81)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:43 AM

113. On Animal Farm, not all speech is equal. n/t

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Response to Cha (Reply #81)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:06 AM

145. I think people are overly upset and forget that most folks who leave just leave.

 

They usually don't do gbcw posts. He will come back when he feels like it. They should be happy he told them and they can find him easily at Truth-out. They act like he died.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #145)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:25 AM

150. Yeah, it's just a YAGE*. No need to start turning it on us like it's our fault.

*Yet Another Grand Exit~

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:31 PM

32. When will this be over? Pitt roughed me up when I meekly started

Posting in 2004. Let him go. Nobody bullied him. He's a professional writer. If one can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. That's what he did. Nobody is indispensable.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:52 PM

36. Fine with defending speech and safety. But.....

Did anyone threaten Will Pitt's safety? If so, they deserve a visit from their local constabulary. And--Tom Paine's uncomfortable words caused him to be hounded from country to country. DU is just an internet board, and the man, perfectly capable of making his own decisions (and I am ALWAYS pro-choice) chose to bow out--a decision I went on his thread and disagreed with, by the way.

It is worth noting that Paine, by the way, wanted "jails [that] are empty of prisoners," and a country where "the taxes are not oppressive," two things that do not seem to jive with the presiding sentiment on DU these days. Of course we need jails--where should we be putting rogue killer cops, frackers who poison cities and CEOs who get rich off of pollution, "accidental" firearm deaths and shady offshore deals that allow them to pay zero taxes? And who decides what level of taxation is oppressive and what is not? That is a moving target no one has managed to hit yet--nowhere, ever. My man in Geneva (CH, not NY) yells and screams about his marginal bracket being being bumped up to 25% when he hit a six figure income. I tell him he's living in a tax paradise and he tells me, no, I'm the one that's living in a tax hell (Germany).

Like Paine, I am a friend of happiness--as in life, liberty and the pursuit thereof. I like to think I have attained a reasonable degree of it. I am also relatively confident this puts me in the minority.

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Response to DFW (Reply #36)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:28 AM

106. Seriously. A number of us have had our safety threatened

Most of us women. That isn't the situation here.

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Response to DFW (Reply #36)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:01 AM

224. "Did anyone threaten Will Pitt's safety?"

 

Nope.

Ironically, or hypocritically, whichever the case may be, the same cannot be said about Pitt threatening the safety of a homeless woman on DU.

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Response to JTFrog (Reply #224)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:31 AM

233. If so, that went completely past me

I never saw anything like that.

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Response to DFW (Reply #233)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:52 PM

264. yes. will pitt threatened a homeless womn with violence

he was banned from DU and then allowed back for some reason. He is a poor writer and a mean drunk whose trust fund keeps him from having to work for a living.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:57 PM

41. I Love How Those That Resist Criticism... Want To Define "Acceptible Criticism"... Hey Folks...

 

As a journalist in the age of "muckraking journalism", Dunne was aware of the power of institutions, including his own. Writing as Dooley, Dunne once wrote the following passage mocking hypocrisy and self-importance in the newspapers themselves:

"Th newspaper does ivrything f'r us. It runs th' polis foorce an' th' banks, commands th' milishy, controls th' ligislachure, baptizes th' young, marries th' foolish, comforts th' afflicted, afflicts th' comfortable, buries th' dead an' roasts thim aftherward".


Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finley_Peter_Dunne

Many times referenced by H.L. Menken.

It's our job.




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Response to WillyT (Reply #41)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:28 AM

232. H.L. Mencken was an anti democratic elitist who literally opposed representative democracy

 

He was also a rather enormous racist and anti Semite. I understand that many of you hear a quote or two and think Mencken was like Will Rogers or something but he was not. Here is a passage from H.L. Mencken on African Americans:
"I admit freely enough that, by careful breeding, supervision of environment and education, extending over many generations, it might be possible to make an appreciable improvement in the stock of the American negro, for example, but I must maintain that this enterprise would be a ridiculous waste of energy, for there is a high-caste white stock ready at hand, and it is inconceivable that the negro stock, however carefully it might be nurtured, could ever even remotely approach it. The educated negro of today is a failure, not because he meets insuperable difficulties in life, but because he is a negro. He is, in brief, a low-caste man, to the manner born, and he will remain inert and inefficient until fifty generations of him have lived in civilization. And even then, the superior white race will be fifty generations ahead of him."
From his diary, 1943: "...it is impossible to talk anything resembling discretion or judgment to a colored woman. They are all essentially child-like, and even hard experience does not teach them anything."

He cut this portion from later editions, but here he is in 1930 on the Jews:
"The Jews could be put down very plausibly as the most unpleasant race ever heard of. As commonly encountered, they lack many of the qualities that mark the civilized man: courage, dignity, incorruptibility, ease, confidence. They have vanity without pride, voluptuousness without taste, and learning without wisdom. Their fortitude, such as it is, is wasted upon puerile objects, and their charity is mainly a form of display."
People need to read up on Mencken and actually read his works prior to claiming him as their own.

Mencken was opposed to populism, representative democracy and to the New Deal. You claim to be a big giant populist, when you are not saying civil rights are unimportant, you are all about the populism. You seem to like the New Deal. HL did not. On some days you affect language of racial equality and justice, HL had very different views.
He is often cited on DU by people who want to be seen as very progressive. This is a huge error.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #232)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:44 AM

237. Wow, excellent rebuttal...

Educational as well. I didn't know about Mencken's racist and anti-semitic views, loathsome views.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #237)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:26 AM

397. I have to believe that people who cite him do not know or actualy understand his work.

 

But an elitist opposed to representative democracy, populism and the New Deal being cited for political credibility is something that calls for mention on a website dedicated to democratic principles.
Mencken was clever and so many think he was being coy when he was being very direct.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #397)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:33 AM

398. All too often people go to sites like "BrainyQuotes" to find a quote that fits their view....

without looking further into the bigger picture and context related to the quote and the person they are quoting. I have done it myself in the past and found it is a lazy way to reinforce one's point.

I really had no idea of Mencken's loathsome views until your post so wouldn't have questioned the use of the quote, I appreciate the fuller picture you provided, makes a BIG difference.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:57 PM

42. My goodness and the band plays on.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:57 PM

43. I do not feel your Paine.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:58 PM

44. No one should bully anyone on here.

There's no reason to, not at all. We need to stand strong against the oligarchs so they won't bully us.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #44)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:04 AM

46. It's just a small group. A majority of DUers are mature enough that if they don't like someone

they don't have to interact with them. It's simple, for most mature adults.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #46)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:11 AM

50. Yeah, it's sad. I really like forums like this because they allow you to get your thoughts out.

But some people are really sensitive and I feel bad for them.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #50)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:20 AM

59. Yes, I do feel sorry for people who are that unhappy that they spend their time on such

petty nonsense. It's such an interesting world, so many great things to do and so many real problems to focus on.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #59)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:42 AM

75. OMG Remember the day the World ended? Someone called the President POSUCS! And it just ENDED!

 

First, President Obama caught wind of it and called a suicide hotline, then his DAUGHTERS read about it and ran away from home in total shame, and FLOTUS Michelle Obama threatened him with divorce! Then, to top it all off, nuclear weapons started raining down on the country!

What's that you say? None of that happened? Yeah but it coulda! Heck I myself called the Secret Service to let them know someone needed to be arrested for such a public display of disrespectful speech. Toward the President of all people.

What? A few hundred people at most are even aware it was posted? BS! The whole WORLD reads, lives and dies over what's posted here!

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #75)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:55 AM

142. Lol, is THAT what this all about?

But I was told today that Public figures should EXPECT that kind of thing. Well this was in reference to Will Pitt 'who is a journalist and therefore a public figure so he should expect to be criticized'.

So I guess the President is less of a 'public figure' than WP?

Or is about WHO the public figure is?

Unbelievable, I hope I never get that deeply, personally invested in a politician.

How long ago was that?

And I hope the First Family survived this terrible event by now!





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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #142)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:15 AM

148. Will is also a public figure

A journalist, I guess. He writes on a website anyway. That was my point to you earlier.

He also repeated the POSUCS attack within the last 4-6 weeks.

What do you think would happen if someone called Bernie something like that? I can tell you the post would be hidden the the person would NEVER hear the end of it. You all laugh at support for Obama, but it doesn't approach the kind of politics of personality surrounding Sanders. You will recall that people here called Black Lives Matter a Koch brothers plot. That is now hostile they are to anything that they perceive as critical to Sanders. I say perceive because that demonstration at Netroots was not about Sanders. it was about black lives and ensuring all politicians know that they are expected to do something about the problem. That movement and those lives were all thrown under the bus because some decided that great Bernie Sanders was too important to have to be confronted by protesters.

So you complain about people objecting to pointless name calling of a president, when just recently some of the most egregious behavior has gone on--ostensibly in order to promote Sanders but in reality doing significant damage to his campaign and more importantly relations between white progressives and black activists.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #75)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:40 PM

306. ROFL!

 

Good observation and funny to boot! DU is important and world saving (threatening), unless it goes against some narrative. In that case, DU is a worthless place full of political hacks and shrills and has no impact on even a single atom.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #59)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:38 AM

136. When a group can convince itself of its own self-righteousness,

 

bullying others outside the group can be used as a team-building exercise to strengthen the group's bonds with one another.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #136)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:17 AM

149. Like calling them Third Way

Corporatist, enemies of the people, not real liberals or progressives, essentially implying they aren't even real people but corporate plants, even when they have far less privilege and money than those hurling the insults? Would that be the sort of bullying you mean, as a kind of team building exercise?

Then there are racist attacks, calling someone a "race nagger," "Lee Atwater," addressing them as "Dear black person," misogynist insults, rape threats, insisting a rape victim deserved to be "raped for real," death threats, yet none of that constitutes bullying? As opposed to what exactly? A laughing emoticon? Criticism of a post or a story? It truly is interesting what causes outrage among certain "groups" engaged in "team building exercises."



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Response to BainsBane (Reply #149)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:39 AM

151. Yeah, talk about "self-righteousness"! Good Grief.. the Hypocrisy is off the freakin' charts!

Thank you for a huge sample of what constitutes "a certain group's team building exercises".



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Response to BainsBane (Reply #149)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:48 AM

156. Nailed it.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #149)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:08 AM

177. Amen, geez, they are the bullies

The nerve of them to claim to be victims!

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #149)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:52 AM

208. Hear hear!

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #149)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:58 AM

212. Perfectly stated....

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #149)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:04 AM

229. ^^this^^ n/t

 

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #136)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:35 PM

279. I suppose, but what drives people to invest so much in something so trivial

considering the real issues this country faces? To dig back into the posting history of other DUers just to try to 'score' some kind of point? I would worry about myself if I ever became that invested in something that for one thing, NEVER succeeds, this community continually rejects these tactics as it should, and for another, the work involved, and boring repetitiveness of it all, just comes across as a few people who have some personal issues, jealousies, or whatever, and it looks so bad for them.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #279)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:42 PM

280. Well, in their minds they are 'proving' that they are 'better' than their target.

 

This makes them feel better about themselves.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #280)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:50 PM

281. When it accomplishes the exact opposite! Even with the reaction they get

they still think that? Like I said, I would worry about myself or hope someone who cared about me would try to wake me up.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #280)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:45 AM

387. I suppose they might just opt for the other tactic

of outright telling people they are better than others, including the 93 percent of the American population who doesn't vote as their told and dares to care about something other than restoring the the white upper-middle class back to what it sees as its birthright atop the capitalist world order. You know, all those "corporatists" and "Third Wayers" toiling away as janitors, sale clerks, waitresses, librarians or fire fighters, getting by on a fraction of what the people who actually work for corporations and pull in six figure incomes do, while insulting those same people who have never had and never will have their considerable privilege in life.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:08 AM

48. Um, he was previously banned for threatening to beat a homeless woman to death.

I'll bet Thomas Paine never did that.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #48)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:20 AM

60. And we have a winner!!! nt

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #48)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:00 AM

87. it's considered bullying to bring that up

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Response to JI7 (Reply #87)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:09 AM

123. I got several hides for bringing that up.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #87)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:33 AM

191. Ha!

 

Indeed.



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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #48)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:29 AM

107. Wow

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #48)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:43 AM

112. This

 

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #48)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:54 AM

118. As a newer member of the board, I didn't see that episode. But it sounded very odd.

And he's retired to his farm in the country, likely chopping wood and preparing for a long winter in his own forest, I guess.

I don't think he's doing poorly. Maybe he just decided to live the good life, it's not like he was homeless or anything near that.

Jon Stewart and some other guy people here were worried about decided to take their earnings and get close to nature. They were finally in a position to do so and not living from one month to the other like so many who are anxious about politics. It doesn't matter what goes on outside their own lives, anymore.

Posting online is optional and for most, costs more money than it could ever bring in. Unless one can make a living doing it.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #48)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:40 AM

153. Thank you. The only thing more boring than this useless Pitt-gasm is the folks acting like it's some

sort of litmus test for the decency in a person's soul to see who can wail the loudest over Pitt's most recent GBCW and pretend that someone who regularly used the dumbest, nastiest invective he could think of was some sort of literary giant.

Pitt had his time. And he wore it out, like most of DU these days.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #48)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:09 AM

178. And then got to come back!

That's hardly being bullied.

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Response to treestar (Reply #178)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:38 PM

274. He's always been coddled

here on DU. Why? I have no idea. If I used the type of launguage and outright threatening behavior like he did I'd be out of here in five seconds.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:10 AM

49. when dozens of raging pseudonymous bullies can silence one individual using his/her real name

harassment is dangerously close to terrorism. Seen it with two DUers in particular, Will and Nadin, both relentlessly abused by a rightwing hatemonger anti-DU website and RIGHT HERE ON DU.

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Response to carolinayellowdog (Reply #49)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:41 AM

110. He's not the only one

As nasty as they are, bullies and cavers are not the same as terrorists. No one here is being blown up with bombs or physically harmed in any way. The hyperbole in this thread is off the charts.

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Response to carolinayellowdog (Reply #49)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:51 AM

160. The admins allow it

Don't forget that!



 

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Response to carolinayellowdog (Reply #49)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:11 AM

181. Totally OTT

Two of the biggest bullies on DU. Claiming they are the victims. Incredible.

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Response to carolinayellowdog (Reply #49)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:52 AM

209. This is a great example of Poe's law

 

You can't seriously compare people being tired of Pitt's overwrought posts with actual terrorism. And if one wants to talk about online words potentially leading to real world violence, I'm not sure you should use Pitt as the victim given his history.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:12 AM

52. Well, between comparing Pitt to Paine and persecuted ConsortiumNews

This has been quite the banner week here at DU.

And completely disagree about Pitt being bullied; he tended to go after other posters with abandon.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #52)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:18 AM

101. fyi, NIEMAN FOUNDATION NEWS (7/21): Robert Parry wins I.F. Stone Medal for Journalistic Independence

Scroll down for announcement on the homepage (bottom left):

http://nieman.harvard.edu

NIEMAN NEWS



Robert Parry wins I.F. Stone Medal for Journalistic Independence

The founder of consortiumnews.com, who broke many of the stories related to the Iran-Contra Affair, questions both conventional wisdom and mainstream media.

http://nieman.harvard.edu/news/2015/07/journalist-robert-parry-to-receive-i-f-stone-medal-for-journalistic-independence/

July 21, 2015
Investigative Reporter Robert Parry to receive I.F. Stone Medal for Journalistic Independence


In recognition of a career distinguished by meticulously researched investigations, intrepid questioning and reporting that has challenged both conventional wisdom and mainstream media, the Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard will present journalist Robert Parry with the 2015 I.F. Stone Medal for Journalistic Independence during a ceremony in Cambridge, Mass., on Oct. 22, 2015.

<>

Nieman tagline: To promote and elevate the standards of journalism

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #52)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:53 AM

117. "And completely disagree about Pitt being bullied; he tended to go after other posters with abandon"

Yes, but that was his right. We have no rights to bring up his failures.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:14 AM

55. I don't think it becomes us as Democrats

To trash one of our own. Those Republican's stick together right or wrong and rarely break ranks.
We throw each other under the bus. And capitulate like a reflex.

Scrutiny is fine. But we should stand up for each other.

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Response to libodem (Reply #55)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:04 AM

91. But how the hell would they divide us if we did that?

Liberals have a flaw. and that is that we can be turned against one another by an appeal to emotionalism...and they milk that cow daily.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #91)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:10 AM

97. Crazy shit like defunding ACORN

And now the madness over Planned Parenthood because of that jackass O'Keefe.

Yeah, the Republicans back Larry Craig and David Vitter and That Folley page texter. But we can't be nice to Will Pitt?

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Response to libodem (Reply #97)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:15 AM

100. Well it is not about them, we know how they are.

But to borrow a famous quote from the Bard...

The fault dear libodem is not in the Republicans but in ourself.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #100)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:33 AM

108. No Doubt

Self examination is under rated.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:23 AM

63. I've thoroughly read and marked that book. Hearing you loud and clear.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #63)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:55 AM

143. thank you

Terrific book.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:41 AM

74. I've noticed the people that claim to be getting bullied the most

 

are in fact those who bully the most.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #74)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:47 AM

79. I know.. it's so touching the way they're trying to rewrite history.

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Response to Cha (Reply #79)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:30 AM

189. It's absolutely ridiculous.

 

Sanders supporters and those on the left (even the far left) are in no way the minority here, and the suggestions from certain posters that the Third Way or corporate agenda dominate DU are absolutely absurd.

Claiming underdog status and persecution allows for some truly vicious personal attacks, plenty of which I was guilty of during the Snowden episode. ProSense suffered some of the most vicious attacks outside of direct death or rape threats that I've ever seen, and my part in that was absolutely shameful.

That some people are pushing back against bullies is not bullying itself.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #189)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:41 PM

308. I know. they can't even get that right.. bernies are in the majority.. they don't get to play

underdog/the persecuted. It's so obviously not the truth.

How dare anyone push back against bullies!

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #74)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:11 AM

182. Ding!

it's like they are a left version of Sean Hannity

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #74)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:13 AM

183. Exactly.

Who do they think they are fooling? They just look more ridiculous.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #74)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:29 AM

188. I'd rather not relive the whole episode where the poster in question

and his minions ganged up on me over a grammar error when I was a newbie here

or the number of times another beloved long time DUer called me a douchebag because he disagreed with me

as a low-count no star poster, you just sit there and take your lumps

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:57 AM

84. Did Thomas Paine run away and hide when people bullied him?

Just asking.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #84)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:42 PM

309. No, but what does that have to do with Will? If you are trying to make some kind of point,

 

you would have better luck to just say it.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:18 AM

102. So it was then; so it is now.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:10 AM

124. How do you bully a bully?

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #124)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:39 AM

194. By refusing to give him your lunch money.

 

He worked hard for that lunch money! He did! He did! {Channeling my inner John Oliver there.}
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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:48 AM

140. It is a rampant phenomenon, not just here. Once was a brief time in history when

 

I posted a series of rather pointed OP's, or poignant ones, which received a modicum of attention. I felt I was "on my way", so to speak. One or two "wrong moves", and suddenly crickets. I presume a number of folks hid me, for various reasons. Whatevs. This ain't my day job, and I'm not here for heaps of praise. I also have no idea about why he left, and I don't care. I am pretty sure he will be just fine. Maybe he will hook up with any of a number of other outlets for his writing. Maybe Nance needs some help. ? We all have our moments. What we rarely find is any allowance for others' opinions. This a good place to come only if you have, after deep reflection, come to exactly the "correct" views.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:15 AM

147. I will defend him in 24 business hours.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #147)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:37 AM

193. Right after you finish your hacked Turbo-Tax returns!

 


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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:33 AM

157. Will Pitt is no Thomas Paine …

… and the comparison is laughingly ridiculous.

What Will Pitt is is an extremely talented writer, with a keenly observant eye and an ability to communicate his opinions with insight, as well as style. And they are just that, his opinions. They are agreed with or not, argued with, debated – and often criticized. But as a professional writer, he is no stranger to harsh criticism – and the fact that he often evokes that harsh criticism is not an insult to his ability as a journalist; quite the opposite, it is a testament to its worth.

We all know that Will can dish it out – and we also know (well, some of us anyway) that he can take it. He’s proven that time and again. He can be sarcastic, rude, downright nasty – he can also be empathetic in the extreme, and as funny as hell. But he is not a victim of bullying, nor would he walk away from DU – or anywhere else – with his tail between his legs. And to even hint at putting him in that light is an insult to his character.

Will and I have had many vitriolic exchanges on this board. We have also exchanged PMs during the same period. Our last PM discussion was about how we absolutely hated what each other posted here – but how our political views had nothing to do with how we viewed each other as people. Will “had my back” here at times when we vehemently disagreed with each other. We never lost sight of the fact that disagreement on political positions and mutual respect were feelings that could easily co-exist.

I don’t know why Will chose to leave DU – but I am certain that “being bullied” had nothing to do with that decision. I suspect it had more to do with the childishness being displayed here on a daily basis, and the attendant lack of serious political discussion. I would think it had more to do with the fact that some posters think it more productive to engage in meaningless personal barbs than to engage in honest debate about issues that matter to us all. I would venture a guess that he grew tired of the mindless game of “DU gotcha”, and prefers to spend his time doing something constructive about his political views rather than being destructive of those who disagree with those views.

Let’s be really honest here, shall we? Will is being put on a pedestal and mourned like a dead hero because he’s an outspoken Sanders supporter. Were he an HRC supporter, the same people on this thread who are praising him now would be posting about his departure along the lines of “good riddance to bad rubbish”. The same people now posting about how he was “bullied” would be calling him the biggest bully in the DU schoolyard. And that’s the truth – a truth more obvious and transparent than any of you would ever have the courage to own up to.

Will Pitt is NOT a martyr to your cause. He is NOT a victim. He is NOT – and never will be – a mewling kid who got “bullied” off a website. And to pretend he is any of those things in order to prop-up some ridiculous theory of your own making is nothing less than insulting to the man himself.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #157)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:22 AM

165. Well said, Nance...

I never saw him claim he was bullied, never saw him running round DU in one of the many swarms that frequent this place, and I got the strong impression he wasn't someone who was cowed by attacks and stuff.

I didn't realise he supports Bernie Sanders. Now I know and after reading through this thread, I think what you pointed out runs both ways. Some of those in this thread and the other threads I've seen are doing the 'good riddance to bad rubbish' and 'he wasn't bullied but me and my friends are bullied!' routine because of what tribe they're in.

This reminds me of pro-sense, another poster who, like Will Pitt, I don't have any strong feelings about one way or the other. I saw post after post from a few DUers who've appeared in this thread insisting she was driven off DU and bullied and stuff, even though I never saw pro-sense claim she was bullied. Sometimes people leave because DU just isn't doing it for them anymore for a wide variety of reasons. Sometimes they come back and sometimes they don't.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #157)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:25 AM

166. Thank you. Well said. nt

 

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #157)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:48 AM

167. If honest debate has died here, Will played a leading role

Mindless anti-Obama sentiment on DU never had a louder and more high-profile bullhorn than the POSUCS post. That was a descent into partisanship from which he never recovered, credibility-wise, with many people here who didn't always agree with him but enjoyed reading his posts anyway.

I think he left/took a timeout at least in part because he had limited freedom of movement after that. He apologized (but not really), said something kind about the President once or twice (Cuba, e.g.) but then came TPP (told ya so!). Followed by crickets on Iran. It got stupid, and I'm pretty sure he realized it at some level. With the 24 business hours post, the door was open and he walked out, leaving as a victim rather than someone who had overplayed his hand.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #167)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:12 PM

329. Honest debate struggles here but thru no fault of Will's. Those that alert, hide, mock, ridicule,

 

and clamor for banning, are the ones that hinder "honest debate". If one says the wrong thing they must fear the self-righteous that are too quick to throw the racist, misogynist, sexist, cards. A small few can hold a lot of power by being persistent. It's easy to get away from a poster like Will if he offends you. Put him on ignore and probably there are a lot that do. But some seem to relish being "offended" and therefore justifying their reactions.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #329)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:52 PM

340. The only thing that offended me about Will was the way he leveraged his status here

He was able to provoke at a level that would have led to many hides if not outright bans for the average poster, and he used that privilege irresponsibly. Did POSUCS make this a better board? Calling people fuckwits, because he could? None of this kept me awake at night, trust me, but when you have an OP saying Pitt was bullied, well, even he should be laughing at that one.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #157)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:24 AM

187. Well said, Nance.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #157)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:57 AM

200. Holy crap yes

thank you

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #157)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:49 AM

206. Interesting post

and a stronger affirmation of his character and ability that those who insist he is a victim.

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Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:03 PM

246. Truth. The endless insipid gotcha games

have some if us not even bothering to look past late breaking or greatest threads on the front page. There used to be a time when that shit got relegated to the lounge. Now it's ubiquitious.

I won't wade through it any more. It's impossible to have a conversation about facts and issues anymore without getting jumped on or outright blocked from forums by power-mad mods.

This site used to be invaluable to me. Now I've made my last donation.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #157)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:13 PM

258. oh, just go back and read the thread for comprehension. nt

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #157)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:42 PM

263. Cannot agree more

Thank you Nance.

This has really gotten ridiculous.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #157)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:30 PM

335. I never even got the idea that he was an "outspoken Sanders supporter." His support for Sanders seem

weak as hell and seemed more as a genuflect to the masses here at DU than anything genuine. Compare his Sanders "support" to his support for other candidates and it is truly weak.

I think Will was yet another casualty of what I call the DU:GD Effect. Where people get so steeped in the wall to wall, endless ignorance and cluelessness in this forum that they actually start to BELIEVE the shit that gets posted here. His anti-Obama bile and idiocy was becoming second to none. And while these positions would have made little sense in any other liberal forum, on DU with its "liberals" here, he fit in brilliantly. And to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what did him in.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #335)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:19 PM

345. "Genuflecting to the masses here at DU" ...

... was definitely where Will was at. As I said to Will himself many times, he knew which side of the bread was the buttered side.

Once his anti-Obama screeds started racking up the RECs, there was no way he would ever change that position. That's why it's so ironic to see posters here praising his courage in speaking the truth - when in fact, the "truth" was always a matter of "DU truth" and never a matter of "real world truth".

As for the "DU:GD Effect", I couldn't agree more. You'll see countless threads about some "fact" that has been debunked over and over. And two weeks later, you'll see that same "fact" being referred to as Gospel. I find it particularly laughable when someone asks for a link in support of some purported "fact", and what they're given is a link back to a DU thread - in other words, if someone on DU said it, that makes it a fact.

Will is a writer - and writers want/need readers. Will was always keenly aware of what the majority of posters on DU wanted to hear, and was more than happy to oblige.

But to hold him up as a martyr who was "bullied" - well, that just defies reality - but then most of what gets posted here nowadays defies reality, so it's to be expected.

As I've said, had Will been a staunch Obama supporter and/or HRC supporter, the very posters who are praising him now for speaking up for democracy, etc., would be calling for his head. And they seem totally oblivious to how obvious that fact is.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #345)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:30 PM

346. All you really have to do is look at the folks all up in this, and posting "sincere" appreciation

threads for the man to know that what you're saying is true. They have more to say about this than about Sandra Bland (when they're not trashing #BLM and the black posters here) but want so terribly desperately for everyone to know how "liberal" they are.

His greatest defenders now only rallied to his side after they'd polluted this site for years with how horrible and evil Obama was and he finally seemed to relent and agree. Though who knows if he honestly felt that way, was just trying to fit in with the loons or if was the DU:GD effect kicking in.

But one good thing I can say about Pitt is that at least he seemed to own his assholishness to a small degree which is certainly more than you can say about many of his recently converted fans here.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #346)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:14 PM

350. Here was the "tip off" about Will ...

On the afternoon before Obama's 2014 SOTU address, Will posted an OP praising Obama and discussing what he anticipated to be another kick-ass speech by the prez.

I watched that thread all day - because it had so few replies and recs, which was highly unusual for a WillPitt post. It never garnered more than a handful of recs, and pretty much sank like a stone.

After the SOTU speech, Will posted a scathing rant about Obama having "used a wounded soldier as a prop to glorify war". Despite the fact that it made absolutely NO sense (if you're trying to "glorify" war, you trot out a handsome, unscathed, medal-festooned soldier, not one who is visibly wounded and disabled), Will's tirade about Obama being a war-promoting fraud rocketed to the top of the Greatest Page will hundreds of recs and replies.

Will never posted anything but anti-Obama screeds after that. (And the OP singing Obama's praises posted that afternoon? "Self-deleted by author"

As I said, Will always knows which side of the bread is the buttered side - and his "fans" will attest to his Thomas Paine-like courage in speaking the truth - as long as it's the "truth" they want to hear.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #157)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:05 PM

343. Okay that is a good point, they are not the same at all.

 

If a small group of people drummed up a 9 year old post by YOU where you are 'not at your best' I would be saying the same thing to them.

Pitt went away, maybe will come back. Already to move on and stop with the flamefest...GD was pretty nice now that GD-P is active.

IMO.

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Response to Rex (Reply #343)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:09 PM

344. If you Google site search DU for "24 business hours" you get 24,600 hits.

That OP was hardly the first time it's come up since. It'd be so weird if one dumb OP about it ran him off.

I do agree that that GD has generally been much nicer since the other forum was put in place, though.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #344)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:26 PM

353. Almost seems like we need a permanent GD-P forum for when people

 

want to go duke it out over their candidate...at any given time. Keep GD free of that stuff. NG is right, nobody is changing their minds over this etc..

Enough of this, Pitt really lost me when he went off on Obama over the ACA.

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Response to Rex (Reply #353)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:31 PM

354. Yeah, I think Nance nailed her assessment of him above. Yeah, time to move on.

I guess we'll have to get our melodramatic screeds and "scoops" of BS that doesn't pan out elsewhere note that he's left us cretins for good.

But that "24 business hours" thing was hilarious in its absurdity which is why it was and is funny to bring up for a chuckle.

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Response to Rex (Reply #343)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:50 PM

348. And drumming up a nine-year-old post ...

... is exactly what I meant by "the childishness being displayed here on a daily basis".

I myself have referred to Will's POSUCS rant at least a dozen times. Obama is still president, still being discussed here, so that term is still relevant to the current conversation. What WillPitt said nine years ago about a possible Rove indictment is, by no stretch of the imagination, relevant to anything that is going on right now.

Will could dish it - Will could take it. My guess is that it was the fact that someone thought it somehow important to dig up some totally irrelevant post from the past that caused him to "blow his cork" as he put it, rather than the content of that ancient post itself.

But this kind of thing is now par for the course on DU. Not a day goes by that someone isn't digging up what Bernie Sanders said thirty years ago, or what HRC did when she was in college - always looking for that "gotcha!" moment that has absolutely no relevance to anything of import, and is certainly NOT going to change anyone's mind about who they support as their candidate of choice.



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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #348)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:23 PM

352. Yeah Will lost me with the POSUCS and doubling down talk.

 

True way too much of the 'gotcha' stuff going on. Guess I was getting use to GD being a little nicer now that GD-P is it's own forum. Pitt will be fine...matter of fact, enough with this. Your are right, nobody is changing their mind and there are much more important issues to discuss right now.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #157)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:13 AM

374. Prosense is a Sanders supporter

she came back just to post a thread on him when he announced he was going to run for president.

Pitt never showed much support for sanders .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #374)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:17 AM

375. Am I missing something here?

What does prosense have to do with it?

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #375)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:29 AM

377. sorry, i replied to the wrong post

it was in the reply to your post where prosense was mentioned .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #377)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:31 AM

378. oh, that explains it.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #157)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:43 AM

379. Good for you Nance for saying that.

Mr. Pitt is no coward and he would never leave a site because he was being bullied. He is a very political person and maybe his reasons for leaving is silly season and will come back after the primaries.

Hope you and yours are keeping well!

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #157)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:59 PM

407. Oh, you rock! nt

 

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:48 AM

159. Pitt's a bullying victim?

 

I would assume Bobolink would be surprised.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:58 AM

169. Hmmm, I guess I missed that part in History Class

where Thomas Paine took his ball and went home because he was butthurt

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:56 AM

172. "Why we must resist the bullying of Will Pitt and others here."



This is like Xerxes complaining that Leonidas had an unfair advantage in numbers, and was picking on the Persian Empire.😖

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Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:17 AM

184. Here, Here!!!



"Let it go people, it's just some random dude on the internet" - Probably the most intelligent, profound and appropriate thing I've seen posted on DU in weeks!

Feel free to "Drop the Mic" gifted

I propose that we close this thread with gifted's very poignant post

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Response to Post removed (Reply #180)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:33 AM

190. Books by William Rivers Pitt:

War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You to Know
The Greatest Sedition is Silence: Four Years in America
House of Ill Repute: Reflections on War, Lies, and America's Ravaged Reputation.
and co-written with Dahr Jamail,The Mass Destruction of Iraq: Why It Is Happening, and Who Is Responsible

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Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:41 AM

196. And *that*sums you up.

Some of us care about a much bigger picture.

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Response to Lars39 (Reply #196)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:30 AM

218. Indeed it does...

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #180)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:11 AM

203. OMG, this x1000

I've met him personally, I've been around DU since pretty much the beginning. I've seen the tantrums (on and off DU), and
I've seen him plagiarize other people's posts/threads/research.

He's leaving (left)? Again?

BFD.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:46 AM

197. So you know the real reason WiliamPitt left? Or are you just making shit up?

 

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:55 AM

199. I generally enjoy Will's posts...

...in fact, I can't think of one I disagree with. That said, I'm just not with it on this forum bullying thing. Maybe that's just me....old and thick skinned. If it spills into cyber stalking or libel / slander, that's a serious problem and we have legal remedies for that. People are going to hate and spew bullshit. People are going to be assholes. It's been that way since the early days of the inter-webs. I know. I've been around that long. If you agree with my point of view, great. If you don't, whatever. If you want to spew shit on a forum, well, Johnny has my back....

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:51 AM

207. When, exactly, did Paine abandon the rebel patriots in a snit?

 

I missed that part in history class.

The OP makes the bizarre implication that folks on DU are threatening Pitt's "speech and safety", when in reality a great many people find the way he gathered up his toys and left as childish, cliche, silly and amusing.

You've made a paper mache mountain out of a non-existent molehill in the middle of a playground sandbox.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:04 AM

214. He wasn't PPR'd. Will can speak for himself.

 

Having been on the pointy end of actual bullying, in which Will was a minor participant, I'm not all that sympathetic.

But I'm quite certain that if anything will tempt him back, it's comparing him to Thomas Paine.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:13 AM

215. The only bully in this drama

 

is the grown man who threatened to beat a homeless woman to death and who is so coddled, swaddled, lionized and enabled that he was allowed to keep posting to the site after doing so.

A thin skin, POSUCS, "fuckwits", and death threats -- those will be his legacies to those of us not blinded by his popularity.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #215)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:19 AM

216. I think this post should provide the closure that is needed.

 

I'm staying out of the WP threads from this point forward. You and others have said what needed to be said.
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