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(3,937 posts)http://www.frost.com/prod/servlet/market-insight-print.pag?docid=JEVS-5N2CZG
Look at how effective GMO crops have been in increasing the use of Roundup and other pesticides:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bethhoffman/2013/07/02/gmo-crops-mean-more-herbicide-not-less/
The pairing is so profitable (thanks to US government subsidies) that Monsanto is now trying to buy the world's biggest pesticide maker, Syngenta:
http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2015/05/monsanto-syngenta-merger-45-billion-pesticides
The GMO crop + Roundup system has raised costs for food production and those additional costs are passed on to the taxpayers who kicked in $8 billion to subsidize GMO crop + pesticide pairings in 2014 alone.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)it's disgusting that GMO's need mORE herbicide
Orrex
(63,443 posts)Major Nikon
(36,859 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)I never even heard of non-synthetic pesticides before.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Gamecock Lefty
(702 posts)Check it out!
https://gmoanswers.com/
johnp3907
(3,753 posts)"GMO Answers is funded by the members of The Council for Biotechnology Information, which includes BASF, Bayer CropScience, Dow AgroSciences, DuPont, Monsanto Company and Syngenta."
tecelote
(5,124 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Non GMO crops are sprayed with Glyphosate
to speed up harvests.
Benefits of using glyphosate:
***
Uneven maturity and green tissue delays harvest. Spraying glyphosate desiccates green foliage & stems. The photograph (below left) shows the uniform dessication of sunflower by the use of glyphosate(Roundup Bioaktiv) applied by helicopter in Hungary (Czepó, 2009a). The photograph (below right) shows complete foliar desiccation of grain maize on the right side 14 days after application of glyphosate (Roundup Bioaktiv) at 0.54kg ae/ ha in 7 0L/ ha applied by helicopter using Reglojet nozzles and including Bandrift Plus at 0.1 % at 34% grain moisture in Hungary, with the untreated visible on the left-hand side.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/11/roundup-dumped-crops-right-harvest.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Anti-GMO posts are fact-free zones.
tecelote
(5,124 posts)This isn't exactly supporting GMO. It just points out the problem is beyond just GMO's.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Farmers get up to three crop harvests
annually with the use of glyphosate.
Winter wheat, followed by soybeans, or corn.
Some plots get a very quick turnover.
When the crop dusters or tractor sprayers
are active we shut the house tight and
hope for the best.
Occasionally, we can taste the chemicals in the air...
meaning we are being sprayed along with the weeds.
It's effing unconscionable what factory farmers do
to their very own families and communities for profits
What can we do besides move? $$$
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Understand than easily-digestible graphics, but I really suggest looking into actual peer-reviewed science. It doesn't have pretty pictures, but it does have actual facts. Here's a hint: glyphosate =/= GMO. Also Monsanto =\= GMO. If you want actual perspective, try actual science.
tecelote
(5,124 posts)Monsanto can afford all the fluff science it wants but we're in the middle of the second mass extinction and you will never convince me that Monsanto's farming practices are not a huge part of that.
What if we put all those tax dollars and science behind sustainable agriculture?
We're simply poisoning our planet.
The planet will rebound. Humans may not.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)You dismiss thousands of peer-reviewed scientific publications as being shills of an industry. It's apparent you have no idea how the scientific method and/or peer review process works.
tecelote
(5,124 posts)Who cares how many species die as long as there's a profit.
I have to go now but I hope you're paid well for this shill.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)The classic shill gambit.
"Me no science, you must be shill"
Orrex
(63,443 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Mass extinction...meh...what's on TVEE. If you cannot get enough people to even take the time or care enough about something like a global phenomenon that wiped out the dinosaurs, how can you expect them to rally around the idea of 'bad plants'?
Not a rant at you or the OP, just we seem to be way down the rabbit hole on this one.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)If your problem is with Monsanto, then address that. GMO != Monsanto. There is other, very VERY useful GMO work being done, such as developing rice crops that are drought resistant... very important with the coming rise in temperatures.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Perhaps that GMO corn was designed for more glyphosate use ?
Avoiding the obvious you are.
Meanwhile Monsanto is stocking up on pesticides:
http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2015/05/monsanto-syngenta-merger-45-billion-pesticides
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Not every GMO is GM'd to be "Roundup safe."
Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Would you like to talk about Golden Rice? Or Arctic Apple? Or even the modern papaya (nearly ALL papaya are GMO to resist Papaya ringspot virus)?
If your issue is with Monsanto, then talk about Monsanto. GMO =/= Monsanto. Round-Up =/= GMO. This discussion is about GMOs, not RoundUp or Monsanto. Conflating them as one issue is intellectually dishonest.
Duppers
(28,157 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)If gmo's could save the world I still would be against them because of who sells them - almost
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Meet Norman Borlaug, the man who saved a billion lives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug
Major Nikon
(36,859 posts)Fact: Our government does not subsidize GMO because it's GMO.
Fact: Organic farmers are not required to pay fees for certification unless they wish to have their products certified as organic.
Fact: Personal Protective Equipment is also required for pesticides listed under the National Organic Program that are sprayed on the food [font color="black" size="6" face="face"]YOU EAT[/font]
http://www.kellysolutions.com/erenewals/documentsubmit/KellyData%5CID%5Cpesticide%5CMSDS%5C56576%5C56576-1%5C56576-1_CHEM_ONE_LTD_COPPER_SULFATE_CRYSTALS_7_12_2002_3_07_47_PM.pdf
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-505427/Thousands-tons-organic-food-produced-using-toxic-chemicals.html
ANTI-GMO Perspective:
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)I don't have time to delve into them today, but I did a search & DU's mother earth came up with a good post on Jon Entine, the Genetic Literacy Project's founder~
11. More about Jon Entine's "Genetic Literacy Project"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=208207
The million$ spent by BigAg to influence public opinion seems to be working based on the responses on this thread.
Its truly heartbreaking for our butterflies, bats, bees, and birds.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)From The Refusers blog:
Aluminum and the Neurotoxicity of Vaccines
(copied from globalresearch )
How Vaccine Hysteria Could Spark Totalitarian Nightmare
The Collapse Of The Vaccine Establishment
(from Gary Null )
Measles Eradication is a Fantasy
(from the Vermont Coalition for Vaccine Choice)
Unvaccinated Kids Are Healthier Than Vaccinated: NYU-Trained MD
(from Age of Autism )
So, the blog with the apparent expose of the Genetic Literacy Project is a fucking loony bin of anti-vax and anti-science nonsense.
No surprise that it's posted on DU by the anti-GMO crowd. The anti-GMO and anti-vax movements share many of the same key figures and tactics.
Try again.
Sid
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Anti-GMO sites push Facebook graphics.