So what happens on DU when Joe Biden throws his hat in

[malaise]

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the ring?

[villager]

1. To paraphrase the final episode of "The Prisoner," it becomes "Snark absolute."

"You must risk either one of us!"

[malaise]

6. Well

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/us/politics/joe-biden-white-house-2016-presidential-campaign.html?_r=0

[hifiguy]

19. I honestly don't know whether Leo McKern was

better as Number Two or as Horace Rumpole. I just loved his work.

[villager]

20. His two definitive roles, eh?

With his turn in Help! being #3 on the McKern list?

[hifiguy]

25. Eeyup.

I once worked with the daughter of one of the best justices in the history of the MN Supreme Court who was a hell of a lawyer in her own right. Somehow Rumpole came up and Anne said Rumpole was her dad's favorite fictional lawyer and one of the most accurate portrayals of a lawyer's life in all of literature.

How could anyone not love Rumpole?

[villager]

29. Not a question of not loving Rumpole, of course, but as you note, was "#2" actually his

...single greatest, most definitive work?

Especially the whole interrogation/"breakdown" sequence with McGoohan in the final two-parter....

[monmouth4]

39. "She who shall not be named."....n/t

[teamster633]

42. I thought it was...

..."She who must be obeyed."

[Autumn]

2. Well...

and then



and just for shits and giggles

[elleng]

3. You got it, mal,

[TheProgressive]

4. Well...

Sanders and O'Mally are better candidates than the honorable VP Biden....

[cyberswede]

5. We'll read all sorts of unsavory things about him, of course.

And his supporters will earn some sort of nickname like Bidenphiles or something like that.

[Agschmid]

10. Yup.

[Oldenuff]

7. If we ignore him,

do you think he will go away?

Don't get me wrong,he's a good VP and likable and all...but if we can keep this between a great candidate and an awful one,it will be a lot easier getting Bernie elected.

[pipoman]

16. I would rather the process work to shake out the best candidate

And if it happens to be some combination of the current candidates or some not yet declared great...the next year will be a Rollercoaster....I pace myself....

[bvf]

8. Well,

one group will immediately declare him unelectable because of how hateful his supporters are.

Surprisingly, this group will consist primarily of Chafee backers.

[bluedigger]

17. Don't you need at least four to make a group?

[bvf]

24. The good news about

the Chafee group is that there is NOT A SINGLE MEMBER blocked from it, an obvious indication of freewheeling discussion marked by a strong spirit of tolerance.

The bad news is that it has no subscribers or host(s).

I figured I'd give the group a mention.

[pipoman]

9. It will be a Biden v. Sanders race on DU...

[hifiguy]

18. Yep.

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Although if it came down to that I could pull the lever for Joe in the general. And I can't say that for HRC. Joe has a good heart and never cashed in/sold out like the Clintons did.

ETA: Jill Biden would be a marvelous FLOTUS. That he chose her tells me a lot about what kind of a person he is at heart.

[pipoman]

21. I still think Liz might get in...

[hifiguy]

27. The longer I think about it

the more I hope she stays in the Senate. She's a worthy successor to Ted K.

All bets are off if President-elect Sanders offers the AG position, however. Expensive pants would be loaded all over Wall Street if that came to pass.

[Hydra]

11. It'll be funny to watch

And I'll be happy to let the "2 main candidates" supporters have it out. Lots of OT for the pay by posters.

[Agschmid]

15. Hell I've been getting OT for weeks now.

New boss though now that TWM is gone.

[H2O Man]

12. I hope he does!

Do you think that he is going to?


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[840high]

13. I think he will.

[Agschmid]

14. Me too.

[malaise]

35. Yes

and I think the hint is his ubiquitous presence with Obama on all the 'big' victories recently.

[akbacchus_BC]

22. I would love if Joe Biden runs! Hilary is not a representative of the working class of

America, she is for the big money.

[malaise]

37. Biden has the highest favorability rating of

all persons running to date (on both sides)

[Luminous Animal]

23. Really. Credit card banking reform. He's been under my bus for a long time.

[Maedhros]

33. Here's a nice summary:

http://www.propublica.org/article/bidens-cozy-relations-with-bank-industry-825

With Sen. Joe Biden joining the Democratic ticket, there’s renewed scrutiny of Biden’s connections to the credit card industry. Biden has been particularly cozy with MBNA, a financial services company from Delaware, and now a subsidiary of Bank of America.

Over the past 20 years, MBNA has been Biden’s single largest contributor. And as the New York Times and Wall Street Journal note, Biden’s son Hunter was hired out of law school by MBNA and later worked as a lobbyist for the company.

The Times also details just how helpful Biden has been to MBNA and the credit card industry. The senator was a key supporter of an industry-favorite bill—the “Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005”—that actually made it harder for consumers to get protection under bankruptcy.

That bankruptcy bill was very, very bad for ordinary working Americans as well as the middle class. And they got it in place just before the bubble burst in 2008. Nice timing guys - it's as if you predicted that there would be a massive number of bankruptcies in the near future.

[Skittles]

26. this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=488403

[malaise]

36. LOL

I hear you

[applegrove]

28. Maybe the Democratic race gets more interesting so it is covered more for what is actually going on

in the candidates platforms rather than Clinton's untrusworthyness or Bernie's unelectability.

[Ed Suspicious]

31. That's a good take. +1

[still_one]

30. I don't think Bernie or O'Malley supports will change their support for Bernie. A small number of

Hillary supporters may go for Biden, but I think Biden will have to make his case in order to get more support

He could run as a continuation of President Obama's policies, that may be an advantage

[MADem]

32. Maureen Dowd breathlessly reports....

Ms. Dowd reported that as Beau Biden lay dying from brain cancer, he “tried to make his father promise to run, arguing that the White House should not revert to the Clintons and that the country would be better off with Biden values.” Mr. Biden’s other son, Hunter, also encouraged him to run, she wrote.

It'll get interesting if he does jump in. I will say, he's late to the money party. Very late, indeed. I also think it's unwise to make major decisions while one is still in the stages of deep grief, but he'll do what he wants to do, I'm sure.

[malaise]

41. Bet he's with Obama tomorrow for the Climate Change policy speech

[davidpdx]

34. ....

[Motown_Johnny]

38. Hopefully,

People will examine his position on the issues and his record and decide if they should support him as our nominee or not.

I support Bernie because of where he is on the issues and his record but I am persuadable.

Joe could win me over. Hell, Hillary could win me over (although that is very doubtful).

I hope it does not escalate the tensions here. Things between the 2 warring camps are already bad enough and there still won't be a vote cast for almost 6 months.

[Le Taz Hot]

40. He splits the Hillary vote.

[MineralMan]

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