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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs Will Smith homophobic?
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/smith-slaps-kiss-happy-reporter-moscow-premiere-men-201618613.html
Catherine Vincent
(34,488 posts)But if that unwanted kiss had happened to me, I would have done the same thing. Smith was more cool with his though.
brettdale
(12,374 posts)I think.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Being accepting of homosexuality doesn't mean you want guys kissing you. You are allowed to be offended by that. Personal space.
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)What the hell was he thinking?
Booster
(10,021 posts)littlewolf
(3,813 posts)deaniac21
(6,747 posts)racist
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)...does not make you a homophobe. This reporter apparently uses that as his shtick. He probably gets more people pushing him away than being responsive.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)An unwanted kiss is assault.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)He went over the top from there.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)So if a man walks up to a female and attempts to kiss her and she doesn't accept it then she's heterophobic?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)A man did not just walk up to him and kiss him. It was a gesture of welcoming from someone from a different culture. I don't know if Will is a homophobe, but he certainly seems a prude, xenophobe or just full of himself.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)It has nothing to do with a different "culture". This guy is a notorious prankster that does stuff like this to evoke a response, that's the "context".
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Kisses on the cheek are not a big deal. What is this, 4th grade?
Cave_Johnson
(137 posts)Some of us prefer our space... Doesn't make us bigoted.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)A peck on the cheek would cause you to jerk back, say "what the hell is wrong with you" and slap the guy? Then say he's lucky you didn't sucker punch him. It all seems to be an over reaction to nothing.
Lilyeye
(1,417 posts)I am far from being traditional and prudish, but I would not want some random stranger kissing me. Please stop judging people by your standards and opinions.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)gee, hate to break this to you, but not everyone feels the same way about everything.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)I do not believe I am a xenophobe. And actually most of us Americans are the ones to put our hands out in a handshake. When people come up to close we take a step back. I remember my first year here...people were like, that's a very American thing to do and got a kick out of trying to enter my personal space.
Laughing Mirror
(4,185 posts)Nobody thinks anything of it, of course. It's just a way of saying hello between friends. It is an unconscious and automatic gesture, like a handshake between friends would be to an American.
Living in France, I wonder why you haven't adapted to this extremely commonplace practice yet. Your French friends must have taken it as strange, your pulling back from their innocent attempts to be welcoming to you.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)I've been here 3 years and never got into it. I know what it is and I know all about it. I happen to be Haitian, and Haitian's do the same thing. My family does it and I hated when they did it. I should have been used to it with them, long before I ever moved to France. It irritates me to no end. I find it uncomfortable. I've told them that many times. They take no offense. I'm okay with a hug, when I know you and of course hand shaking. But the kissing on the cheek...I can't do it.
Laughing Mirror
(4,185 posts)In my many years in Paris, I have only encountered one man (a visiting American) and one woman (a visiting Australian) who made it plain at being introduced to my friends that they did not go for the "faire la bise" thing. So it is a peculiarity I could respect, even though I admit at first it seemed off-putting to me. I'd heard of people who didn't like their space violated in that way, just hadn't met any before.
At any rate, if you ever come over to my house for dinner, I'll try to remember to extend my welcome to you with a hug, and not with a bise. You may feel free to set me straight if I forget!
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)I work in Hollywood and know many who have worked with him.
I'll just say there is more here than meets the eye...
Jazzgirl
(3,744 posts)N/T
vaberella
(24,634 posts)~sigh~
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obamanut2012
(26,064 posts)Told me the same, about him and Jada.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)I don't go by rumors. It's like those Repubs who are like, Obama is a gay, rumor has it he was with such and such at such and such time that can vouch for it. Really now?
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)Not that it matters.
peace pilgrim 19
(6 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)I doubt someone who supports marriage equality is homophobic.
If someone entered my bubble and tried to kiss me without permission, I'd be upset too.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)is clearly a disgusting, bigoted homophobe.
And if the guy who kissed him happened to be Jewish, that makes Smith an anti-Semite too.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Fucking AntiSemiLegophobe...
I hate people like that.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)and some dude grabbed her and kissed her against her wishes, we wouldn't be asking if she had a problem with men.
richmwill
(1,326 posts)Will Smith can get accused of homophobia for not being receptive of a kiss from a man. Now, imagine Angelina Jolie walking down the carpet at a movie premiere. A strange man runs up to her, presses himself against her, and forces his lips on her. Even if it was "on the cheek", oh I would imagine a much different reaction from those questioning Will Smith on this.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)The guy's (reporters) actions were designed to evoke a strong reaction ... he got it.
Almost 20 years ago a guy (total stranger) walked over to me as I finished pumping gas ... he reached out "grabbed me" and kissed me ... I was too shocked and horrified to react, but I believe smacking the guy would not have been out of line on my part. (I'm a woman)
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)I personally find it extremely uncomfortable when people I don't know get all touch-happy on me.
Or he may be a raging homophobe. Not enough info here to tell.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Don't know for sure. I wouldn't put that label on him for this occurrence.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)I'm a big believer in personal space and generally don't like being touched by well, anybody. Which come to think of it, may be somewhat related to the fact that I'm perpetually single. :p
pa28
(6,145 posts)It seems to me he's being violated and he does not really care for it.
When you are interacting with people you don't really know have a little respect and start with a little distance.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Can't remember much about it (name of movie or plot or seeing it) but I remember it being big news at the time.
Was that Will Smith?
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)He said he wished he done it for real. That doesn't sound like a homophobe to me.
Zanzoobar
(894 posts)The nitwit in white was oozing on the cool dude. The cool dude let him off the hook with a backhand.
I can imagine 100 scenarios with 100 other actors which may have landed him on his back for the count.
JI7
(89,244 posts)he probably just doesn't like people who doesn't know getting too close to him.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)But there was nothing physical between him and any other character in the film, trick of the camera to make the kiss look real.
RZM
(8,556 posts)In the screen adaptation of the play 'Six Degrees of Separation.' I remember reading a really bad review of it so I never saw it
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Ter
(4,281 posts)n/t
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)And I think Scientology keeps those two in line by a little blackmail.
"Keep giving us LOTS of money and promoting us or we tell your little secret."
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)He has denied having joined the Church of Scientology, saying "I am a Christian. I am a student of all religions, and I respect all people and all paths."
But also
Smith and his wife have also founded a private elementary school in Calabasas, California, the New Village Leadership Academy, which uses Study Technology, a teaching methodology developed by L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology.
And
He has expressed support for same-sex marriage rights for gay couples.
Akoto
(4,266 posts)Whether you are gay or straight, there is such a thing as personal space, and it should be respected. Smith accepted the hug, but he was probably startled by what he thought was a kiss -- what most of us consider to be an intimate gesture. We each have comfort zones, and this reporter violated his.
That aside, as someone has already mentioned, Smith openly supported President Obama's marriage equality statement. I doubt a homophobic bigot would do that.
Ter
(4,281 posts)I really can't anymore.
JI7
(89,244 posts)but the guy was kind of aggressive in trying to kiss him on the mouth. and i hear he does that as part of some comedy thing. in the video smith looks ok with the hug and even kiss on the cheek. but it was the guy trying to move to the mouth where he got upset. and his response wasn't that bad.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)I hate when people give two cheek kisses that come close to my face. That has nothing to do with homophobia. It has to do with personal space and people entering that space. I don't even let my parents kiss me on the lips, let alone strange man or a female come near me like that.
randome
(34,845 posts)Maybe because his new movie is being released? Big deal.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The reporter over did the affection.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)If someone wants to enter your personal space, it's perfectly reasonable that they do it only when you're agreeable.
Not welcoming any and all into close contact does not make one a bigot or homophobe.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)I don't think anyone would question this one bit.
It seemed to me that Will Smith went along with it in the beginning, but then the guy kept going and wouldn't stop. I don't know if he deserved the half-hearted slap, but that reporter went over the line nonetheless.
The Midway Rebel
(2,191 posts)Will Smith was IN Moscow, Russia. I understand that men do that kiss on each cheek thing in Russia. To me, that kiss on each cheek thing was what the Russian news reporter was attempting to give to Will Smith and it got physcially awkward and the the Russian reporter dude almost caught will on the lips with a kiss. It was accidental IMHO. Will freaked out and back handed the dude. In my view, the slap was uncalled for as were his threatening comments afterward. Mr. Cool ain't so fuckin' cool afterall.
Laughing Mirror
(4,185 posts)it would seem he would have observed or even encountered the cheek kissing before.
But perhaps such a greeting had never been extended to him before and he found it offensive when it was. I have seen this before. I have seen straight American men who come to Europe who have a reaction similar to Will Smith's. They'll hug another man, pat each other on the back, but they are not so hot on two men brushing cheeks, which is the European equivalent to the American gesture of hugging and patting on the back.
The Midway Rebel
(2,191 posts)that it is perfectly proper to respond to an overly friendly gesture with physical violence and threats. Straight, bi, or gay; I think Will's response and the subsequent apparent approval of his behavior by the majority on this thread says something about the character of Americans in general.
ellie
(6,929 posts)Dash87
(3,220 posts)If a stranger walked up to you and tried to kiss you on the lips, wouldn't you push them away? Apparently this guy does it to all celebrities to try and get attention. It says so at the link.
It doesn't matter if it's a woman or man - most people would not let a stranger try to kiss them.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)peace pilgrim 19
(6 posts)and some random dude planted a kiss on HER cheek, most of you would be defending her to the nth degree.
I am quickly growing weary of GLBTQLMNOP hyperventillating for every imagined slight. Stop it! Focus on real issues and stop force-feeding people your private bizness!
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Pisces
(5,599 posts)He is in a greeting line. He may have just pushed the guy, but I think it was a quick reaction that he did not think about. I can not
imagine being a star and feeling like my fans could grope and grab me when they want. They don't own you.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)gulliver
(13,180 posts)If he had decked the guy that would have been overreacting. But you do need to defend yourself. There is a subtle negotiation to a kiss. (Disclosure: I learned everything I know about it from "Hitch".) The guy in the footage was trying to take a kiss. If he had smiled and given Smith a chance to think about it, he might have gotten a kiss or he might not. Trying to take one against Smith's will was uncool. If Smith hadn't reacted with something defensive and equivalent, Smith would have been victimized. Instead, Smith found a good balance, imo.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)You do not kiss a gentleman without permission, and Will is a gentleman. Nuff said.
Prism
(5,815 posts)That was a personal space issue. Given Will's a celebrity, you never know what or who could be waiting in a crowd. It was a perfectly understandable reaction, IMO. Everything I've read about him points to him being a good egg.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)underseasurveyor
(6,428 posts)If any stranger, male or female, grabbed me like that and tried to kiss me? That guy is lucky that Will only tapped him on the cheek. I don't think I would have been so gentle.