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apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:29 PM May 2012

Is Will Smith homophobic?

The footage, obtained by TMZ, shows Smith in his typical good spirits making his way down the red carpet, openly accepting an embrace from the reporter. But things grow quickly tense as the man, wearing a white blazer, plants two kisses on either side of Smith's face, during which the two men's mouths come in close contact. "What the hell is your problem, buddy?!" Smith says as he pushes the reporter away, then back-hand slaps him on the cheek. Moments later, a slightly shaken Smith is heard to say, "He's lucky I didn't sucker-punch him."



http://movies.yahoo.com/news/smith-slaps-kiss-happy-reporter-moscow-premiere-men-201618613.html

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Is Will Smith homophobic? (Original Post) apples and oranges May 2012 OP
Don't know Catherine Vincent May 2012 #1
slight overreaction brettdale May 2012 #2
+1 Zorra May 2012 #4
I doubt it. MrSlayer May 2012 #3
+1 Jamaal510 May 2012 #21
No, the reporter's actions were inapproraiate. Incitatus May 2012 #5
Totally agree. He would scared the shit out of me. Booster May 2012 #20
+1 same thought nt littlewolf May 2012 #54
That's deaniac21 May 2012 #6
No, having your personal space invaded by someone and being offended... joshcryer May 2012 #7
No. ForgoTheConsequence May 2012 #8
Seems like it. He was uncomfortable with the hug. morningfog May 2012 #9
Ok. ForgoTheConsequence May 2012 #11
Context matters. morningfog May 2012 #14
Except..... ForgoTheConsequence May 2012 #18
I can just say, I wouldn't react that way. morningfog May 2012 #19
That's you... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #24
Maybe just old-fashioned and prudish? morningfog May 2012 #25
Sorry, but that is not the case for all. Lilyeye May 2012 #34
"amorous interview methods" -- I don't think we're talking about a mere peck on the cheek. LiberalAndProud May 2012 #42
It wasn't kisses on the cheek, he was going for lip kissing. joshcryer May 2012 #30
You mean they're not a big deal to YOU cali May 2012 #51
False. I live in France and that's what they do. I FUCKIN' HATE IT! vaberella May 2012 #46
It is common practice in France to "faire la bise" on both cheeks Laughing Mirror May 2012 #65
They got over it. They remembered I'm the American. vaberella May 2012 #70
Oh, so it's a violation of your personal space then Laughing Mirror May 2012 #78
lol Liberal_in_LA May 2012 #76
Ummmm zappaman May 2012 #10
What does that mean? Jazzgirl May 2012 #13
Probably the rumor that Will Smith is bisexual. vaberella May 2012 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl May 2012 #16
Yup, a friend in the business obamanut2012 May 2012 #32
Whatever. Until you are with a person on a daily basis you have no room to judge. vaberella May 2012 #47
I know what you're referring to and I've heard the same thing. PragmaticLiberal May 2012 #58
LOL peace pilgrim 19 May 2012 #68
He just recently supported Obama's announcement on supporting marriage equality justiceischeap May 2012 #12
YES. Any man who reacts with any negativity to an unwanted kiss from another man Nye Bevan May 2012 #15
What if the Jewish guy had one leg? cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #37
If it was a woman XemaSab May 2012 #17
Bingo- That's my point in this. richmwill May 2012 #27
Seriously etherealtruth May 2012 #52
yep Liberal_in_LA May 2012 #77
He may just not like intimate physical contact from a stranger. Codeine May 2012 #22
Prolly not. NYC_SKP May 2012 #23
No, it is not homophobic for a hetero male to not like the non-consentual kiss of a man. nt Comrade_McKenzie May 2012 #26
As a heterosexual man, I wouldn't want a non-consentual kiss from a man or a woman mythology May 2012 #29
I would not draw that conclusion. pa28 May 2012 #28
I remember a big deal made for his same sex movie kiss Capt. Obvious May 2012 #31
Yes. And the kiss was simulated. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #41
He got off lightly. Zanzoobar May 2012 #33
Will Smith supports Gay Rights, and Didn't he play a Gay Character in some Movie ? JI7 May 2012 #35
Yes he did play a gay role. vaberella May 2012 #48
That was actually his breakout film role in 1993 RZM May 2012 #50
Will Smith is a Scientologist. IIRC they really don't like gays. kestrel91316 May 2012 #36
Tell that to John Travolta and Tom Cruise Ter May 2012 #40
Oh, I know all about that story and have some inside corroboration, lol. kestrel91316 May 2012 #49
Wikipedia says he denies that Orangepeel May 2012 #44
I think it's unfair to judge under these circumstances. Akoto May 2012 #38
Now it's homophobic to not want to get kissed by a man? Ter May 2012 #39
i just saw the video and it wasn't that bad, Smith was happy with hugging the guy JI7 May 2012 #43
No. I do not believe that's homophobic. I get really weird in France when they do that. vaberella May 2012 #45
Who gives a shit what Will Smith thinks? randome May 2012 #53
No. Men don't routinely kiss in our society treestar May 2012 #55
Personal space is a fundamental part of any self defense school. IDemo May 2012 #56
If Will Smith had been a woman... cynatnite May 2012 #57
The dude was Russian. The Midway Rebel May 2012 #59
As many times as Will Smith has been in Europe Laughing Mirror May 2012 #74
It is interesting to me that the consensus in this thread is suggests... The Midway Rebel May 2012 #82
Actually, I heard he was bisexual. ellie May 2012 #60
It was a justified reaction, imo Dash87 May 2012 #61
No. It could be considered assault to forcibly kiss someone w/o consent. nt Honeycombe8 May 2012 #62
Celebrities are supposed to let reporters do whatever they want at these events Enrique May 2012 #63
Nnnnnnnope cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #64
If Will Smith was Willamina Smith peace pilgrim 19 May 2012 #66
Pushing off unwanted affection is not necessarily homophobic. Brickbat May 2012 #67
A woman would have slapped a strange man trying to kiss her, what is wrong with Will reacting? Pisces May 2012 #69
Thats the reaction I would have if a stranger of either sex did that to me Marrah_G May 2012 #72
Smith handled it perfectly, imo. gulliver May 2012 #73
No, Will is not a homophobe. Not at all. Bluenorthwest May 2012 #75
Nope. Prism May 2012 #79
the perfect smilie for this thread Liberal_in_LA May 2012 #80
Oh good grief no. underseasurveyor May 2012 #81

Catherine Vincent

(34,488 posts)
1. Don't know
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:32 PM
May 2012

But if that unwanted kiss had happened to me, I would have done the same thing. Smith was more cool with his though.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
3. I doubt it.
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:35 PM
May 2012

Being accepting of homosexuality doesn't mean you want guys kissing you. You are allowed to be offended by that. Personal space.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
7. No, having your personal space invaded by someone and being offended...
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:38 PM
May 2012

...does not make you a homophobe. This reporter apparently uses that as his shtick. He probably gets more people pushing him away than being responsive.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
11. Ok.
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:45 PM
May 2012

So if a man walks up to a female and attempts to kiss her and she doesn't accept it then she's heterophobic?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
14. Context matters.
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:51 PM
May 2012

A man did not just walk up to him and kiss him. It was a gesture of welcoming from someone from a different culture. I don't know if Will is a homophobe, but he certainly seems a prude, xenophobe or just full of himself.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
18. Except.....
Fri May 18, 2012, 11:01 PM
May 2012

It has nothing to do with a different "culture". This guy is a notorious prankster that does stuff like this to evoke a response, that's the "context".

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
19. I can just say, I wouldn't react that way.
Fri May 18, 2012, 11:03 PM
May 2012

Kisses on the cheek are not a big deal. What is this, 4th grade?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
25. Maybe just old-fashioned and prudish?
Fri May 18, 2012, 11:12 PM
May 2012

A peck on the cheek would cause you to jerk back, say "what the hell is wrong with you" and slap the guy? Then say he's lucky you didn't sucker punch him. It all seems to be an over reaction to nothing.

Lilyeye

(1,417 posts)
34. Sorry, but that is not the case for all.
Fri May 18, 2012, 11:51 PM
May 2012

I am far from being traditional and prudish, but I would not want some random stranger kissing me. Please stop judging people by your standards and opinions.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
42. "amorous interview methods" -- I don't think we're talking about a mere peck on the cheek.
Sat May 19, 2012, 01:50 AM
May 2012
TMZ notes the reporter's amorous interview methods are all part of his "shtick."
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
51. You mean they're not a big deal to YOU
Sat May 19, 2012, 10:49 AM
May 2012

gee, hate to break this to you, but not everyone feels the same way about everything.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
46. False. I live in France and that's what they do. I FUCKIN' HATE IT!
Sat May 19, 2012, 02:27 AM
May 2012

I do not believe I am a xenophobe. And actually most of us Americans are the ones to put our hands out in a handshake. When people come up to close we take a step back. I remember my first year here...people were like, that's a very American thing to do and got a kick out of trying to enter my personal space.

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
65. It is common practice in France to "faire la bise" on both cheeks
Sat May 19, 2012, 11:56 AM
May 2012

Nobody thinks anything of it, of course. It's just a way of saying hello between friends. It is an unconscious and automatic gesture, like a handshake between friends would be to an American.

Living in France, I wonder why you haven't adapted to this extremely commonplace practice yet. Your French friends must have taken it as strange, your pulling back from their innocent attempts to be welcoming to you.


vaberella

(24,634 posts)
70. They got over it. They remembered I'm the American.
Sat May 19, 2012, 12:07 PM
May 2012

I've been here 3 years and never got into it. I know what it is and I know all about it. I happen to be Haitian, and Haitian's do the same thing. My family does it and I hated when they did it. I should have been used to it with them, long before I ever moved to France. It irritates me to no end. I find it uncomfortable. I've told them that many times. They take no offense. I'm okay with a hug, when I know you and of course hand shaking. But the kissing on the cheek...I can't do it.

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
78. Oh, so it's a violation of your personal space then
Sat May 19, 2012, 12:28 PM
May 2012

In my many years in Paris, I have only encountered one man (a visiting American) and one woman (a visiting Australian) who made it plain at being introduced to my friends that they did not go for the "faire la bise" thing. So it is a peculiarity I could respect, even though I admit at first it seemed off-putting to me. I'd heard of people who didn't like their space violated in that way, just hadn't met any before.

At any rate, if you ever come over to my house for dinner, I'll try to remember to extend my welcome to you with a hug, and not with a bise. You may feel free to set me straight if I forget!

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
10. Ummmm
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:44 PM
May 2012

I work in Hollywood and know many who have worked with him.
I'll just say there is more here than meets the eye...

Response to zappaman (Reply #10)

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
47. Whatever. Until you are with a person on a daily basis you have no room to judge.
Sat May 19, 2012, 02:29 AM
May 2012

I don't go by rumors. It's like those Repubs who are like, Obama is a gay, rumor has it he was with such and such at such and such time that can vouch for it. Really now?

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
12. He just recently supported Obama's announcement on supporting marriage equality
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:49 PM
May 2012

I doubt someone who supports marriage equality is homophobic.

If someone entered my bubble and tried to kiss me without permission, I'd be upset too.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
15. YES. Any man who reacts with any negativity to an unwanted kiss from another man
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:52 PM
May 2012

is clearly a disgusting, bigoted homophobe.

And if the guy who kissed him happened to be Jewish, that makes Smith an anti-Semite too.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
17. If it was a woman
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:57 PM
May 2012

and some dude grabbed her and kissed her against her wishes, we wouldn't be asking if she had a problem with men.

richmwill

(1,326 posts)
27. Bingo- That's my point in this.
Fri May 18, 2012, 11:13 PM
May 2012

Will Smith can get accused of homophobia for not being receptive of a kiss from a man. Now, imagine Angelina Jolie walking down the carpet at a movie premiere. A strange man runs up to her, presses himself against her, and forces his lips on her. Even if it was "on the cheek", oh I would imagine a much different reaction from those questioning Will Smith on this.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
52. Seriously
Sat May 19, 2012, 10:50 AM
May 2012

The guy's (reporters) actions were designed to evoke a strong reaction ... he got it.

Almost 20 years ago a guy (total stranger) walked over to me as I finished pumping gas ... he reached out "grabbed me" and kissed me ... I was too shocked and horrified to react, but I believe smacking the guy would not have been out of line on my part. (I'm a woman)

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
22. He may just not like intimate physical contact from a stranger.
Fri May 18, 2012, 11:09 PM
May 2012

I personally find it extremely uncomfortable when people I don't know get all touch-happy on me.

Or he may be a raging homophobe. Not enough info here to tell.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
29. As a heterosexual man, I wouldn't want a non-consentual kiss from a man or a woman
Fri May 18, 2012, 11:25 PM
May 2012

I'm a big believer in personal space and generally don't like being touched by well, anybody. Which come to think of it, may be somewhat related to the fact that I'm perpetually single. :p

pa28

(6,145 posts)
28. I would not draw that conclusion.
Fri May 18, 2012, 11:13 PM
May 2012

It seems to me he's being violated and he does not really care for it.

When you are interacting with people you don't really know have a little respect and start with a little distance.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
31. I remember a big deal made for his same sex movie kiss
Fri May 18, 2012, 11:45 PM
May 2012

Can't remember much about it (name of movie or plot or seeing it) but I remember it being big news at the time.

Was that Will Smith?

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
41. Yes. And the kiss was simulated.
Sat May 19, 2012, 01:43 AM
May 2012

He said he wished he done it for real. That doesn't sound like a homophobe to me.

 

Zanzoobar

(894 posts)
33. He got off lightly.
Fri May 18, 2012, 11:49 PM
May 2012

The nitwit in white was oozing on the cool dude. The cool dude let him off the hook with a backhand.

I can imagine 100 scenarios with 100 other actors which may have landed him on his back for the count.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
35. Will Smith supports Gay Rights, and Didn't he play a Gay Character in some Movie ?
Sat May 19, 2012, 12:21 AM
May 2012

he probably just doesn't like people who doesn't know getting too close to him.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
48. Yes he did play a gay role.
Sat May 19, 2012, 02:31 AM
May 2012

But there was nothing physical between him and any other character in the film, trick of the camera to make the kiss look real.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
50. That was actually his breakout film role in 1993
Sat May 19, 2012, 10:46 AM
May 2012

In the screen adaptation of the play 'Six Degrees of Separation.' I remember reading a really bad review of it so I never saw it

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
49. Oh, I know all about that story and have some inside corroboration, lol.
Sat May 19, 2012, 10:40 AM
May 2012

And I think Scientology keeps those two in line by a little blackmail.

"Keep giving us LOTS of money and promoting us or we tell your little secret."

Orangepeel

(13,933 posts)
44. Wikipedia says he denies that
Sat May 19, 2012, 02:23 AM
May 2012

He has denied having joined the Church of Scientology, saying "I am a Christian. I am a student of all religions, and I respect all people and all paths."

But also

Smith and his wife have also founded a private elementary school in Calabasas, California, the New Village Leadership Academy, which uses Study Technology, a teaching methodology developed by L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology.

And

He has expressed support for same-sex marriage rights for gay couples.

Akoto

(4,266 posts)
38. I think it's unfair to judge under these circumstances.
Sat May 19, 2012, 01:31 AM
May 2012

Whether you are gay or straight, there is such a thing as personal space, and it should be respected. Smith accepted the hug, but he was probably startled by what he thought was a kiss -- what most of us consider to be an intimate gesture. We each have comfort zones, and this reporter violated his.

That aside, as someone has already mentioned, Smith openly supported President Obama's marriage equality statement. I doubt a homophobic bigot would do that.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
43. i just saw the video and it wasn't that bad, Smith was happy with hugging the guy
Sat May 19, 2012, 02:15 AM
May 2012

but the guy was kind of aggressive in trying to kiss him on the mouth. and i hear he does that as part of some comedy thing. in the video smith looks ok with the hug and even kiss on the cheek. but it was the guy trying to move to the mouth where he got upset. and his response wasn't that bad.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
45. No. I do not believe that's homophobic. I get really weird in France when they do that.
Sat May 19, 2012, 02:25 AM
May 2012

I hate when people give two cheek kisses that come close to my face. That has nothing to do with homophobia. It has to do with personal space and people entering that space. I don't even let my parents kiss me on the lips, let alone strange man or a female come near me like that.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
56. Personal space is a fundamental part of any self defense school.
Sat May 19, 2012, 10:57 AM
May 2012

If someone wants to enter your personal space, it's perfectly reasonable that they do it only when you're agreeable.
Not welcoming any and all into close contact does not make one a bigot or homophobe.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
57. If Will Smith had been a woman...
Sat May 19, 2012, 10:58 AM
May 2012

I don't think anyone would question this one bit.

It seemed to me that Will Smith went along with it in the beginning, but then the guy kept going and wouldn't stop. I don't know if he deserved the half-hearted slap, but that reporter went over the line nonetheless.

The Midway Rebel

(2,191 posts)
59. The dude was Russian.
Sat May 19, 2012, 11:29 AM
May 2012

Will Smith was IN Moscow, Russia. I understand that men do that kiss on each cheek thing in Russia. To me, that kiss on each cheek thing was what the Russian news reporter was attempting to give to Will Smith and it got physcially awkward and the the Russian reporter dude almost caught will on the lips with a kiss. It was accidental IMHO. Will freaked out and back handed the dude. In my view, the slap was uncalled for as were his threatening comments afterward. Mr. Cool ain't so fuckin' cool afterall.

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
74. As many times as Will Smith has been in Europe
Sat May 19, 2012, 12:17 PM
May 2012

it would seem he would have observed or even encountered the cheek kissing before.

But perhaps such a greeting had never been extended to him before and he found it offensive when it was. I have seen this before. I have seen straight American men who come to Europe who have a reaction similar to Will Smith's. They'll hug another man, pat each other on the back, but they are not so hot on two men brushing cheeks, which is the European equivalent to the American gesture of hugging and patting on the back.



The Midway Rebel

(2,191 posts)
82. It is interesting to me that the consensus in this thread is suggests...
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:52 PM
May 2012

that it is perfectly proper to respond to an overly friendly gesture with physical violence and threats. Straight, bi, or gay; I think Will's response and the subsequent apparent approval of his behavior by the majority on this thread says something about the character of Americans in general.

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
61. It was a justified reaction, imo
Sat May 19, 2012, 11:40 AM
May 2012

If a stranger walked up to you and tried to kiss you on the lips, wouldn't you push them away? Apparently this guy does it to all celebrities to try and get attention. It says so at the link.

It doesn't matter if it's a woman or man - most people would not let a stranger try to kiss them.

 
66. If Will Smith was Willamina Smith
Sat May 19, 2012, 11:59 AM
May 2012

and some random dude planted a kiss on HER cheek, most of you would be defending her to the nth degree.

I am quickly growing weary of GLBTQLMNOP hyperventillating for every imagined slight. Stop it! Focus on real issues and stop force-feeding people your private bizness!

Pisces

(5,599 posts)
69. A woman would have slapped a strange man trying to kiss her, what is wrong with Will reacting?
Sat May 19, 2012, 12:05 PM
May 2012

He is in a greeting line. He may have just pushed the guy, but I think it was a quick reaction that he did not think about. I can not
imagine being a star and feeling like my fans could grope and grab me when they want. They don't own you.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
73. Smith handled it perfectly, imo.
Sat May 19, 2012, 12:12 PM
May 2012

If he had decked the guy that would have been overreacting. But you do need to defend yourself. There is a subtle negotiation to a kiss. (Disclosure: I learned everything I know about it from "Hitch".) The guy in the footage was trying to take a kiss. If he had smiled and given Smith a chance to think about it, he might have gotten a kiss or he might not. Trying to take one against Smith's will was uncool. If Smith hadn't reacted with something defensive and equivalent, Smith would have been victimized. Instead, Smith found a good balance, imo.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
75. No, Will is not a homophobe. Not at all.
Sat May 19, 2012, 12:19 PM
May 2012

You do not kiss a gentleman without permission, and Will is a gentleman. Nuff said.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
79. Nope.
Sat May 19, 2012, 12:44 PM
May 2012

That was a personal space issue. Given Will's a celebrity, you never know what or who could be waiting in a crowd. It was a perfectly understandable reaction, IMO. Everything I've read about him points to him being a good egg.

underseasurveyor

(6,428 posts)
81. Oh good grief no.
Sat May 19, 2012, 12:51 PM
May 2012

If any stranger, male or female, grabbed me like that and tried to kiss me? That guy is lucky that Will only tapped him on the cheek. I don't think I would have been so gentle.

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