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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Sat May 19, 2012, 03:32 AM May 2012

My screed to the DNC about the Wisconsin recall:

Last edited Sat May 19, 2012, 09:41 AM - Edit history (3)

How do I put this politely? Eff You!
You will never see a dime or vote from me or anybody I can talk to if you don't help the Wisconsin recall NOW!
Working people of all kinds in that state have placed themselves on the line against the most regressive politics in America, and you offer empty promises???
You are worse than the GOP and other idiots because you won't stand up for these people. The GOP and others may be beyond misguided, but they at least try.
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I live in SC which has representation for all in name only. I don't see much evidence of you here either. I not only work on the local scene, but I send what I can out of state. That's more than you have done.
As you can see I am a mite bit pissed off. It's hard living in a quasi-state. When those in even higher power brush good people here and elsewhere off, it is beyond shameful.
Take your DNC and either do something for ALL those who support the Democratic Party values or rewrite your platform. You no longer walk the walk.
TALK IS CHEAP!

1-Yes I know they probably won't care.
2-Yes I know that they are claiming to be involved. They are about as involved as a Teabagger working with teh gays. They can't put enough layers on to prevent real contact metaphorically and otherwise.
3-Yes I live in SC, but I have never given up pushing for change at any point. Living here doesn't cancel out my right to an opinion even if some think it does.
4-Yes I know that Rmoney is worse and who else will I vote for?
He's worse because he threatens faster change with meaner backers in the shadows. Unless the DNC and others get off their asses and push back, we will die a death of a thousand attempts at appeasement and bipartisanship. We cannot take 4 more years of believing the GOP will play ball and endless talk that inches rightward.
5-Yes my hair is on fire and my last nerve has been hit. The last time someone found that nerve was a HS student in 1985.

Have a blessed and happy day. Bless your heart if this hits your nerves the wrong way.

Tannybogus

Watch Chris Hayes- Saturday, May 19
Discussing Wisconsin recall and who is helping and what is going on.
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My screed to the DNC about the Wisconsin recall: (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries May 2012 OP
Thank you Kalidurga May 2012 #1
+1 HiPointDem May 2012 #2
Of the Democrats I follow on Twitter, Russ Feingold is the only one EFerrari May 2012 #3
Wasserman-Schultz herself is coming next weekend, and there is all kinds of fundraising going on. RBInMaine May 2012 #5
Great. Where are you getting your information? EFerrari May 2012 #12
Oh stop the nonsense. They are in there with money, organizational help, etc. You are being foolish. RBInMaine May 2012 #4
+1 n/t FSogol May 2012 #6
Nonsense??? Meh! Are_grits_groceries May 2012 #7
Dramatically absurd and overboard. Even if you are not happy with Mass May 2012 #8
I removed Vichy and Quisling. You are quite right about those. Thank you. Are_grits_groceries May 2012 #9
Thank you. Vidar May 2012 #10
Watch Chris Hayes - Saturday, May 19 Are_grits_groceries May 2012 #11

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
1. Thank you
Sat May 19, 2012, 03:50 AM
May 2012

Wisconsin clearly needs help. It is astounding to me that anyone would vote for Walker after all the illegal, immoral, and well just plain mean things he has done. Yet, he is not trailing in the polls, I think last I looked he actually had a lead. It might be a bogus lead, who knows. But, there should be no way in h e double hockey sticks that he should have any chance of winning the recall.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
5. Wasserman-Schultz herself is coming next weekend, and there is all kinds of fundraising going on.
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:32 AM
May 2012
 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
4. Oh stop the nonsense. They are in there with money, organizational help, etc. You are being foolish.
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:31 AM
May 2012

The DNC is in there, the DCCC, the DGA, MoveOn, Bold Progressives, United Wisconsin, Unions, the Wisconsin Dems, and others. Enough of the ridiculous anti-DNC blame game. It is a false meme, and it is crap. Next weekend Wasserman-Schultz herself is going there for a fundraiser. It is ultimately up to the good people of Wisconsin to make this happen and to make their choice.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
7. Nonsense??? Meh!
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:55 AM
May 2012

From 'The Nation':
<snip>
Priebus offers his "all in" commitment even though Walker's campaign has a 25–1 financial advantage over Barrett. And that doesn't even count the millions coming in from the Koch brothers and other national donors who are funding so-called "independent" expenditures on the governor's behalf.

What is the Democratic National Committee offering in return? Not as much. While the Democratic Governors Association and some other groups with party ties have been supportive of the electoral fight in Wisconsin, the DNC has been slow on the draw. Even now, after much discussion of the DNC's slow response, DNC chair Debbie Wasserman-Schultz says only that she hopes to come to Wisconsin for a fundraising event. Translation: she will make an appearance in Wisconsin where Wisconsinites will be asked to give money to the DNC.
<snip>
http://www.wnyc.org/npr_articles/2012/may/17/the-nation-wheres-the-dnc-in-wisconsin/

From 'Daily Kos':
<snip>
The Democratic Governors Association has already spent $2 million on the recall, but there's still no definite answer on the $500,000 the Democratic Party of Wisconsin has requested from the DNC:

"The DNC will use both its substantial network of activists and supporters as well as extensive online resources to develop the ground game" in Wisconsin, Roussell said. She declined to comment on whether or not the committee would make any financial investments in the race, but said "the DNC is fully committed to helping Mayor Barrett win the election."

As part of that, DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz is holding a fundraiser for Democratic nominee Tom Barrett. Like the DNC, President Obama's reelection campaign is helping out in ways that don't involve direct infusions of cash, focusing on voter registration and education.
Both the DNC and the Democratic Party of Wisconsin emphasize that the DNC hasn't yet said it would not contribute to the recall effort financially. But in a close election that will be determined by turnout, time is running short for Wisconsin Democrats and the Barrett campaign to have their GOTV plans in place—and that requires knowing how much money they'll have.
<snip>
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/16/1092126/-DNC-supports-Wisconsin-recall-but-not-necessarily-with-money

The DNC represents a committment from the official party. The other groups are motivated by a grassroots move or another group.

The NATIONAL part of the Democratic Party needs to be in there with more. That shows people in all areas that they will put their money where their mouth is.

How does this look to other operatives in other places? It looks like you are on your own when it comes to depending on the very group you are helping with donations and labor. The DNC will be in there in a nanosecond asking for all that help when they want something.

The Dems can win all the national elections they want, but if they don't get off their asses and try to help affect change at local and state levels, they will never convert their money to real power. The down ticket races are key to a party's strength. Think about the power already shown in redistricting and bills that have passed by state legislations held by a majority of Republicans.

It is up to the people of Wisconsin and in other states with their issues. If you don't think the MONEY and support flowing in from big groups and the national parties doesn't matter, you should have another think coming!

The recall election is June 5th. Talk about days left and dollars short. AaAND the national party had to be asked and pushed. Help my ass.


Mass

(27,315 posts)
8. Dramatically absurd and overboard. Even if you are not happy with
Sat May 19, 2012, 07:31 AM
May 2012

the efforts of the DNC, the comparison with Vichy and Quisling is offensive at so many levels I am not sure where to start.

In addition, you're in SC. How do you know what efforts the DNC made or not? Is it possible that not nationalizing this election is the best thing to do? What are your evidences?
We have the same thing here in MA where, each time a poll comes out for the Senate race, because people think they know something about MA, they are surprised with absolutely unsurprising results. But they know better as well.

Criticism is cheap. Start electing people in your state first.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
9. I removed Vichy and Quisling. You are quite right about those. Thank you.
Sat May 19, 2012, 07:54 AM
May 2012

I apologize for those.

I am and have been working to elect people in this state. The incumbents can be harder to get rid of than chiggers. We don't give up.

As far as nationalizing an election, there are ways to do that. Matching money on some level and backing basic beliefs such as union rights can be beneficial.

We live in a Citizens United world right now. That is the game on the table. We can play by the old rules or blunt their attacks with just as much publicity and other things. That takes money unfortunately.

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